Can Unions Kick Out a member?
GaryL19379
If an american union member is found to be working against his/her union's
constitution, can the union kick him out?
********
*********
kim overstreet
Robert Kastigar
>union's constitution, can the union kick him out?
In article <6gn67c$6...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
kim overstreet <oooh...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>YEP!!!
But kicking them out may not be the best alternative. There are other,
more effective, ways of dealing with recalcitrant members.
--
Bob Kastigar International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
R-Kas...@neiu.edu - http://ww.neiu.edu/~rkastiga
IBEW Local 1220 | Chicago, IL USA
slap...@pei.sympatico.ca
In article <199804110221...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
garyl...@aol.com (GaryL19379) wrote:
>
> If an american union member is found to be working against his/her union's
> constitution, can the union kick him out?
>
> *********
>
It has been shown that members can and have been kicked out of their union
if the " big dogs " - that is , the leadership , you know , the enemy -
want them out .
As far as the constitution is concerned , that is only the result of a lot of
dead trees - it is the lawyers and the " big dogs " that make things happen .
When it suits them they use the constitution to crucify you . If you are
right by the constitution , they ignore the constitution . If you are in
trouble , feel free to e.mail Ben at : slap...@pei.sympatico.ca .
In solidarity ( whatever that is )
Ben
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading
slap...@pei.sympatico.ca
Pardon my ignorance , but would you please let us know what " your "
definition of recalcitrant is ? There may be a variety of misconceptions
formed without your clear definition .
Thanks in advance
Ben
In article <6gnjd6$2e4$1...@hirame.wwa.com>,
rkas...@orion.neiu.edu (Robert Kastigar) wrote:
>
> >GaryL19379 <garyl...@aol.com> wrote in article
> >> If an american union member is found to be working against his/her
> >union's constitution, can the union kick him out?
>
> In article <6gn67c$6...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
> kim overstreet <oooh...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >YEP!!!
>
> But kicking them out may not be the best alternative. There are other,
> more effective, ways of dealing with recalcitrant members.
>
> --
> Bob Kastigar International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
> R-Kas...@neiu.edu - http://ww.neiu.edu/~rkastiga
> IBEW Local 1220 | Chicago, IL USA
>
>
The Elves
Electricians . . . Local 48 PORTLAND, OREGON . . . kicks out members
for choice of candidates during election of officers.
Those not kicked out are placed on contractor blacklists . . . and,
punished by economic starvation.
The apprentice school had instructors encouraging the students to avoid
those persons who supported alternate candidates, as all of those
persons were "troublemakers".
Has anyone else anywhere heard of the Portland, Oregon electrician
stories before?
I am a traveling electrician, and I have to admit that I am keeping my
mouth shut around here.
There is no work back home.
-"Elf"
The Elves
JScafaro
To answer your question yes the union can in fact expell a member from it's
ranks however, expulsion froma labor union does not automatically translate
into a loss of work even within a union shop. One must understand that a union
is simply a representative of the employees but cannot dictate employment or
the terms thereof to an employer. The union actually gains very little by
releasing a member, in many such instances the union is still forced to
represent that employee as if he / she was still an active card carrying
member. The employee cannot go out and renegotiate terms of employment with the
employer as that would be a violation of most collective bargaining agreements
currently in existence. So, in effect the only thing that happens is that the
employee is no longer able to participate in internal union matters such as
voting on a contract, running for office and attending union meetings. It sends
a message to those who actively participate in union affais but does very
little to curtail anti union activities by members that do not take such an
active role in their union. Hope this ansered your question, if you need
further assistance please write me at: ibe...@centuryinter.net and direct your
correspondence to Jeff Scafaro / President
NOZNOWAY
>If an american union member is found to be working against his/her union's
>constitution, can the union kick him out?
You failed to explain, just how that Union Member was, as you state working
against the Constitution. That's a serious charge, maybe you just don't like
or agree with him/her?
Joseph Kofoed
You should be kicked out for being a clodd. Election of officers in
Portland are about the same as they are everywhere else. People run,
and the people with the most votes win.
You should go back home, run for dogcatcher, and learn this for
yourself. Joe
TAAANDERSN
> Can Unions Kick Out a member?
>If an american union member is found to be working against his/her union's
>constitution, can the union kick him out?
>From: garyl...@aol.com (GaryL19379)
The rules of membership are decided by the union. If those rules of the union
permit exclusion, then they can.
However, most local unions are affiliated with internationals or other larger
units. It is necessary to check the constitutions/by laws of each such body
and resolve conflicts between them. If the International, for instance does
not permit exclusion, the Local usually cannot rule otherwise. In most cases,
the revocation of membership rights is a very big deal and should not be
considered lightly--there is the possibility of lawsuit &c.
In addition, there is usually a matter of due process. There is almost always
a requirement of hearing and appeal--often to the International or other body.
The by-laws/constitutions of all units involved should be checked.
If a member is expelled, the Union may still be liable to provide equal
representation to that member--particularly in agency shop situations.
As a union official, I would try to restrain an attempt to exclude a member as
much as possible. Even the political repercussions of such an attempt would be
worrysome. I would prefer instead to make all members aware of the damage
being done.
Tom Anderson
slap...@pei.sympatico.ca
In article <199804211910...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
You obviously havent heard of the way the united brotherhood of carpenters
handles their problems . They just ignore the constitition and due process and
youre out on your ass . Then they waste dues money on slick lawyering as they
" talk " about organizing while they hassle the victims of their efforts .
Check aroud - the big Washington based Union doesn't always give a shit about
the little guy .
Thanks for reading .
cuttingedg...@gmail.com
> If an american union member is found to be working against his/her union's
> constitution, can the union kick him out?
> ********
>
Am I going against my union by creating a training center and instructing private students the trade?