modern art
Mark Youman
Boy, this thread makes me glad I opted not to go to graduate school in
art history. Just out of curiosity, has either of you ever attempted to
*create* art yourselves?
Prowling for flames,
mark
John McCoy
: Boy, this thread makes me glad I opted not to go to graduate school in
: art history. Just out of curiosity, has either of you ever attempted to
: *create* art yourselves?
Either of who?
--John
Jennifer Wise
> I'm asking an honest question.
You just enjoy it and learn, like my roommate, and proceed to
another field, or you go on and get your Masters and PhD and
either teach the subject or go into museum/gallery
work...research...etc....
I have friends who've done both.
A better question is what do you do with a degree in theatre.
:)
Jenny
amanda wilson
>> What the heck do you do with a degree in art history?
>> I'm asking an honest question.
i have a friend who has a degree in a.h. -- she manages a "mr. bulky's"
candy store in a shopping mall. <shudder>
>You just enjoy it and learn, like my roommate, and proceed to
>another field, or you go on and get your Masters and PhD and
>either teach the subject or go into museum/gallery
>work...research...etc....
>
>I have friends who've done both.
>
>A better question is what do you do with a degree in theatre.
>:)
that's easy ... you go to law school.
-- amanda (advice, five cents)
Sara Filiz Hively
>You just enjoy it and learn, like my roommate, and proceed to
>another field, or you go on and get your Masters and PhD and
>either teach the subject or go into museum/gallery
>work...research...etc....
>I have friends who've done both.
>A better question is what do you do with a degree in theatre.
>:)
Ouch.
Fine. Well, I'm applying to a master's program in library science.
And planning to reform agriculture. (andand)
However, I read aloud *very* well, have a talent for memorization, give good
massage, and am much more graceful than I would have been if I had majored in
art history, say. (not likely).
Ask me how many books over 400 pages I read aloud to my dear mate as we
sat in our mud hut for two years in Senegal. Yikes.
Sara
Jennifer Wise
> In article <D5JEL...@Virginia.EDU> jw...@Virginia.EDU (Jennifer Wise) writes:
>
> >You just enjoy it and learn, like my roommate, and proceed to
> >another field, or you go on and get your Masters and PhD and
> >either teach the subject or go into museum/gallery
> >work...research...etc....
>
> >I have friends who've done both.
>
> >A better question is what do you do with a degree in theatre.
> >:)
>
> Ouch.
No major ouches intended...I have a degree in theatre, too.
> Fine. Well, I'm applying to a master's program in library science.
> And planning to reform agriculture. (andand)
And I'm a grants assistant. So much for giving my life to my
art...never mind, though, my toe is back in the water now and
my chances of diving back in are getting better.
> However, I read aloud *very* well, have a talent for memorization, give good
> massage, and am much more graceful than I would have been if I had majored in
> art history, say. (not likely).
Yes, I learned some amazing massage techniques in theatre
classes. Amazing what you can pick up. And we actors have
*amazing* short term memories.
Jenny
Elizabeth Walkup
> jw...@Virginia.EDU (Jennifer Wise) writes:
>
>
>>A better question is what do you do with a degree in theatre.
>>:)
>
>Ouch.
>
>Fine. Well, I'm applying to a master's program in library science.
>And planning to reform agriculture. (andand)
I'm "lucky", in that I went ahead and got a computer science degree
while I was getting my theatre degree, so theoretically, I can feed
and house myself on that. Unfortunately, I went on to graduate school
and found myself in love with an area of computer science that has
only marginally better employment prospects. I graduate in three
months, and still have no job prospects.
Here's what I've done with my degree:
* gotten the hysterical giggles thinking of _Endgame_ while
watching a fellow student's toddlers pop in and out of a
plastic trashcan,
* helped write and stage manage, as well as act in my
department's winter holiday party skit several years running,
* written some really bad sonnets very quickly (my "acting
Shakespeare" prof wouldn't let us read iambic pentameter
aloud until we could write it without thinking). This
talent has weakened, but I hope to get it back,
* written and read aloud humorous stories commemorating
special events in friends' and family's lives,
* warmed up my voice before giving academic talks,
* made myself a few good Halloween costumes,
* spent a weekend afternoon reading Shakespeare plays aloud
because it feels good.
I'd have done more, but I pretty much had to go cold turkey
when I entered grad school. After the first play I saw on campus
while in grad school, I haven't gone to any more -- the entire
time I kept thinking "I could do better than that." Given the
chance to walk on a bare stage in an empty theatre, I'd probably
burst into tears. Now I get my occasional fix from opera. Since I
can't sing, I don't feel the urge to knock the stars off the stage
and take their place.
What I hope to do with my theatre degree:
* continue as above,
* read _The_Wind_in_the_Willows_ and the Pooh books to a
few good children, mine or otherwise,
* make sure these same children get some good Shakespeare
experiences before their high school English teachers
make him unbearable.
Hopefully, there will be more, but I'm too deep into my research these
days to think clearly on the subject. But this I do know: without
that theatre degree, I'd be a much more a-social dweeb than I now am.
-- Elizabeth
wal...@cs.washington.edu
steven r kleinedler
Dennis Mai <psu0...@odin.cc.pdx.edu> wrote:
>
>
>What the heck do you do with a degree in art history?
>I'm asking an honest question.
One of my friends is an assistant curator at that famous museum
in Kansas City. (I'm not trolling, there really is a famous museum
in Kansas City.)
--
**Steve Kleinedler** /// See Steve in Shattered Globe's premiere
of *Harvestide*, a mystical thriller about love and witches, opening
Wednesday March 22, at Shattered Globe Theatre, 2856 N Halsted,
Chicago IL 60657. Phone 312/404-1237 for reservations!!!!!
Jennifer Basil
: In article <3k8nlq$c...@odin.cc.pdx.edu>,
: Dennis Mai <psu0...@odin.cc.pdx.edu> wrote:
: >
: >
: >What the heck do you do with a degree in art history?
: >I'm asking an honest question.
: One of my friends is an assistant curator at that famous museum
: in Kansas City. (I'm not trolling, there really is a famous museum
: in Kansas City.)
Yep...my mom puts together shows at the Memorial Art Gallery at the
University of Rochester. Great Medieval Room!
Jenny
: --
: **Steve Kleinedler** /// See Steve in Shattered Globe's premiere
: of *Harvestide*, a mystical thriller about love and witches, opening
: Wednesday March 22, at Shattered Globe Theatre, 2856 N Halsted,
: Chicago IL 60657. Phone 312/404-1237 for reservations!!!!!
--
Jennifer Basil (ba...@bio.bu.edu) Has angst, will travel.
I'm an XNFJ!
"I cling to [my ideals] because I still believe, in spite of everything,
that people are truly good at heart."
...Anne Frank
Brent Dunn
In a previous article, wal...@u.washington.edu (Elizabeth Walkup) says:
>I'm "lucky", in that I went ahead and got a computer science degree
>while I was getting my theatre degree, so theoretically, I can feed
>and house myself on that. Unfortunately, I went on to graduate school
>and found myself in love with an area of computer science that has
>only marginally better employment prospects. I graduate in three
>months, and still have no job prospects.
>
>Here's what I've done with my degree:
>
> * gotten the hysterical giggles thinking of _Endgame_ while
> watching a fellow student's toddlers pop in and out of a
> plastic trashcan,
> * helped write and stage manage, as well as act in my
> department's winter holiday party skit several years running,
> * written some really bad sonnets very quickly (my "acting
> Shakespeare" prof wouldn't let us read iambic pentameter
> aloud until we could write it without thinking). This
> talent has weakened, but I hope to get it back,
> * written and read aloud humorous stories commemorating
> special events in friends' and family's lives,
> * warmed up my voice before giving academic talks,
> * made myself a few good Halloween costumes,
> * spent a weekend afternoon reading Shakespeare plays aloud
> because it feels good.
Oh...for a few moments there I thought you were talking about what you have
done with your *CS* degree that had no job prospects...and it just wasn't
making any sense.
---Brent, feeling confused.
--
"Everyone knows tall people are considered superior beings and get more
accomplished in the world, so if we killed off two short persons for every
tall one, we would get more work done." -- Ann Watt, Tall Club of NY
Brent Dunn is en...@cleveland.freenet.edu
Sara Filiz Hively
>gl...@cornell.edu writes:
>> In article <D5JEL...@Virginia.EDU> jw...@Virginia.EDU (Jennifer Wise) writes:
>> >A better question is what do you do with a degree in theatre.
>> >:)
>>
>> Ouch.
>No major ouches intended...I have a degree in theatre, too.
Oh, no major pain, just a twinge, just a twinge... I'm still paying it off
is all...
>> Fine. Well, I'm applying to a master's program in library science.
>> And planning to reform agriculture. (andand)
>And I'm a grants assistant. So much for giving my life to my
>art...never mind, though, my toe is back in the water now and
>my chances of diving back in are getting better.
I just read this post and noticed that I absolutely did not mention that I'm a
writer, which is the majority of my work-identity. Interesting. My
resistance to mentioning that in public seems to be getting stronger.
Sara
Sara Filiz Hively
(many side-benefits of a theater major)
Basically it's all life-improvement stuff. Knowing how to relax, knowing how
not to strain your back doing heavy manual work. Learning to read people more
accurately. Knowing who Grotowski is (right). Going for the fear (this was
very big with my primary instructor - facing demons down).
>Hopefully, there will be more, but I'm too deep into my research these
>days to think clearly on the subject. But this I do know: without
>that theatre degree, I'd be a much more a-social dweeb than I now am.
Ayep. Never would have learned to dance without it.
Sara
Steve Hawley
sort of thing.
There was a student of Chuang-Tzu who approached the master and told him
that everything he learned from the master was completely useless. The
knowledge he had gained was a gnarled and twisted tree that no carpenter
in his right mind would ever use to build a house or make furniture.
Chuang-Tzu told the student that he was absolutely right. But there are
more things that can be done with a tree than making furniture or building
houses; twisted trees have a certain beauty that calms the mind on reflection,
and can make wonderful shade trees to escape the hot sun.
I have a degree in computer science. It is an arts degree, not a science
degree. I intentionally chose a liberal arts school that does not grant
science degrees even in the sciences for the reason that I wanted breadth
in my education and not simply depth. I am also aware that most of the
specifics of my main course of study will be completely obsolete (if they
aren't already), but the abstracts do not change. My only worry is losing
the ability to learn and adapt.
If your goal is solely to be employable after graduation and you choose
a theater degree, then probably you chose the wrong course of study, but
more likely you chose the wrong goal.
--
Steve Hawley
haw...@adobe.com
--
"Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I
have no grasp of it whatsoever." -Baron Munchausen
david s. broudy
haw...@adobe.com (Steve Hawley) wrote:
< "Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I
< have no grasp of it whatsoever." -Baron Munchausen
Gawd, I think I'd say the same thing to J**y D*tt*n...
What a great line.
--
bro...@mizar.usc.edu -- New, Improved! -> http://wpc-4.usc.edu/
Will that be one lump, or two? \=\ /=/ \=\
steven r kleinedler
Alex! Forget grad school! It's just more of the same --- your
practical theatre experience will come from real life. Do what
everyoone else does: move to Chicago, NY, or LA and start
waiting tables or temping and work, work, work.
Trust me on this one.
--
**Steve Kleinedler** /// See Steve in Shattered Globe's premiere
of *Harvestide*, a mystical thriller about love and witches,
playing Thurs-Sat @ 8, Sun @ 7, at Shattered Globe Theatre, 2856 N
Halsted in Chicago. Phone 312/404-1237 for reservations!!!
Jennifer Wise
>
> With a BA in Creative and Performing arts? You go to Grad school. Period.
There ye go...or you just dive head-long into the world. I
have a successful friend who never did get her Masters.
I'm not sorry that I majored in Theatre at all. I knew it
wasn't practical when I went into it in the first place, but I
followed my bliss and came out of the experience reasonably
well rounded. If I could go back and major in something
practical, I honestly don't think I would. Economics weren't
my passion...theatre was. And if I'd tried to follow in my
father's footsteps and study Chemistry, my head would likely
have imploded.
We make due.
As it is, I'm well read, I can discuss the Yanomamo, and I can
honestly say that I've been a psychotic nun, a woman with a
knife in her chest, and an alcoholic mother of two who goes
about killing rabbits.
> My head professor *lied* to me. He told me I was accepted when, in fact, I
> hadn't even been in the running.
>
> I put myself in the running, and went to meet the head of the program, saw
> the campus, etc. And today I received my answer.
>
> The Univ. of Iowa playwriting MFA said that if I come back in 2 years they
> will take me. They gave next years 3rd slot to an aussie. :)
I'm sorry...and yet I'm glad you're feeling tranquil...
> Now I just need to find a grad school that *will* take me. And
> <egads...someone thwap me> the Univ. of Las Vegas is apparently *very*
> receptive. Considering my impressions of the city, though, I doubt I would
> go there.
>
> If only I could get USC to offer me a position. ;)
Have you applied? :)
> But I have to go to Grad school. I have no other *practical* (to qoute my
> mother and others) knowledge outside of theatre. So the hunt is on.
>
> Know any good theatre programs?
NYU Tisch School of the Arts...
Think of a *place* you know will make you happy, and look in
that area for a school with a reasonably good drama graduate
program. After being so unhappy in Iowa, I would think that it
would matter more where you were and what you put into the
degree than which university you were attending.
I can say, however, that my friend Liza was quite happy at
University of North Carolina at Greensboro.
Good luck!
Jenny
Chris Lehmann
:
: NYU Tisch School of the Arts...
Yeah, Alex... apply to NYU! Yeah, that would be cool!
Chris "Both of us at NYU... how scary would that be..." Lehmann
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Sara Filiz Hively
{deletia}
>If your goal is solely to be employable after graduation and you choose
>a theater degree, then probably you chose the wrong course of study, but
>more likely you chose the wrong goal.
That's exactly it. I can't think of a single life choice that I have made in
order to be employable. I'm not proud or ashamed of this... a little bemused
maybe... especially when I look at what I'm doing for a paycheck right now
but chances are good that will change soon.
>"Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I
>have no grasp of it whatsoever." -Baron Munchausen
I have this movie nearly memorized. Mom used to waitress in a bar in
Minneapolis that Terry Gilliam hung out at, and where Bobby Dylan played
(ancient vain thread tie-in, 8.5 points).
Sara
david s. broudy
Lehmann) wrote:
< Jennifer Wise (jw...@Virginia.EDU) wrote:
< :
< : NYU Tisch School of the Arts...
<
< Yeah, Alex... apply to NYU! Yeah, that would be cool!
<
< Chris "Both of us at NYU... how scary would that be..." Lehmann
Uh huh! It'd be fun at parties too!
Alex, I think you would *loathe* Las Vegas after about a week. Outside of
the tackiness of the gambling industry it's just another scorched desert
town that for some reason people are thronging to, adding traffic, crime
and gangwars to the hot dust. It's also very cold in the winter. In short,
a last resort. NYU or USC would definitely rate hugely over UNLV...
Marco Anglesio
Center for Postgraduate Study of Drama
Koffler Building
University of Toronto
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
Do the great white north thing ... it isn't an MFA, but rather an MA, but
it is an excellent program. And the tuition's cheaper than that in the
states ... apply now! Apply often!
marco
(biased? me? Tracy finishes up there in, oh, two weeks, how could I be
biased?)
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steven r kleinedler
>gl...@cornell.edu writes:
>Yes, I learned some amazing massage techniques in theatre
>classes. Amazing what you can pick up. And we actors have
>*amazing* short term memories.
For those of you who have experienced my magic fingers, that is
definitely a by-product of my theatre training plus a little common
sense physiology.
Sara Filiz Hively
>Jennifer Wise (jw...@Virginia.EDU) wrote:
>:
>: NYU Tisch School of the Arts...
>Yeah, Alex... apply to NYU! Yeah, that would be cool!
Tisch is where I did my undergrad. theater degree. In undergrad. they give
you a choice (sort of - much pressure to stick with the initially assigned
one) of studios. I wound up wresting my way into the Experimental Theater
Wing which was excellent. But the grad school is not run that way... I
worked in their costume shop for a year as workstudy - sewing and running many
errands - care for a tour of Manhattan sweat shops? But anyway - I met
several of the grad students, watched some of their rehearsals, heard them
talk about their classes.
And I was a burning out undergrad myself - seriously frustrated with theater
people. I thought that to do excellent theater you needed to really *care*
about all kinds of social and political and historical movements and events,
to be well-read, actively engaged with society - to have something to say.
And everyone in my classes was just interested in getting noticed, praised,
laid. Whatever. Forgive my rambling...
Anyway, I'm agreeing with Steve. Get out there and find work. He's done it,
his advice would be better than mine. My impression of theater grad students
has been that they are just postponing the inevitable - trying to be In
Theater without losing their secure student life. I feel the same way about
creative writing programs and visual arts programs. Find some skilled artists
and apprentice yourself. Stay away from institutions. I feel very strongly
about this. You need to maintain your fire, and grad programs in arts seem
designed to thwart and smother all natural flames.
Sara
Richard Patrick Larimore
>>
>> >A better question is what do you do with a degree in theatre.
>> >:)
>>
>> Ouch.
>
>No major ouches intended...I have a degree in theatre, too.
Okay, me too...
>> Fine. Well, I'm applying to a master's program in library science.
>> And planning to reform agriculture. (andand)
>
>And I'm a grants assistant. So much for giving my life to my
>art...never mind, though, my toe is back in the water now and
>my chances of diving back in are getting better.
And I'm an attorney who can't seem to get full time work but manages to appear
in the odd community theater production now and then.
>Yes, I learned some amazing massage techniques in theatre
>classes. Amazing what you can pick up. And we actors have
>*amazing* short term memories.
you'd be surprised how much a good short-term memory helps a lawyer do...oh,
something...
Piglet, nicknamed "Magic Fingers" by the people in his dorm.