What's YOUR concept of hell?
Stanton J Wonn
saw in the paper here this morning. It seems that the Church of England
recently issued a report discussing (and largely dismissing) the Church's
traditional concepts of hell, heaven and damnation.
So assume for a moment with me that there *is* such a thing as hell, and
that it is NOT "God's Eternal Torture Chamber." What would hell be like
in that case?
Personally, I like the image offered by C.S. Lewis in his book _The
Screwtape Letters_:
"We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually
concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone
has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious
passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment."
Hmmm, the more I think about it, the more that image reminds me of academia,
my department in particular. =:0
So how about it, folks? Is your image of hell like the Far Side cartoon
portraying a maestro condemned to spend eternity with banjo players? Or
maybe something else?
Talk amongst yourselves. :)
Stan
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Amanda Wilson
(...)
>So assume for a moment with me that there *is* such a thing as hell, and
>that it is NOT "God's Eternal Torture Chamber." What would hell be like
>in that case?
>So how about it, folks? Is your image of hell like the Far Side cartoon
>portraying a maestro condemned to spend eternity with banjo players? Or
>maybe something else?
My hell would be an IRC channel with feeps who *really* wanted to talk
to me, but had nothing to say for themselves.
Another concept for me would be the eternal family reunion, or a long
stint at the supermarket with a man. I will not hold myself
responsible for my actions if I ever have to go to Shopper's Food
Warehouse with Tino and Kelly again. If one man in a supermarket is
bad, two is worse.
Perhaps, then, my hell is a supermarket filled with male shoppers,
all of whom have coupons, and want to write out-of-town checks. But
none of them has a drivers license. The checkers would speak only
broken English and not fully understand how the scanner works.
The automatic door seems to open, but just barely moves.
This, THIS, is my hell.
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John Michael Scalzi, II
wrote:
>So how about it, folks? Is your image of hell like the Far Side cartoon
>portraying a maestro condemned to spend eternity with banjo players? Or
>maybe something else?
Having just spent an evening in a Karaoke bar, listening to
tone deaf cowboys sing Garth Brooks, I have a VERY GOOD IDEA of what
hell is like, thank you very much.
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dan snider
>
>The automatic door seems to open, but just barely moves.
If the door doesn't open, there's a good chance
someone in a devilish mood reached up and turned
off the switch on their way out. Not that I would
propose this sort of action...
-dan
Jimbo
says...
>
>I'm asking this question, my dear ASG-X friends, because of an article I
>saw in the paper here this morning. It seems that the Church of England
>recently issued a report discussing (and largely dismissing) the
Church's
>traditional concepts of hell, heaven and damnation.
>
>that it is NOT "God's Eternal Torture Chamber." What would hell be like
>in that case?
>
>Screwtape Letters_:
> "We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually
> concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone
> has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious
> passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment."
>
>Hmmm, the more I think about it, the more that image reminds me of
academia,
>my department in particular. =:0
What on Earth are you talking about? Your department?
I live and work inside the Washington, D.C. beltway (thank God
not in politics!).
That C.S. Lewis quote just described with extreme clarity my
entire metropolitan suburban area.....quite possibly the entire North
East Coast of the U.S.
Jimbo
"Hell doesn't scare me, I already live there."
Douglas Lathrop
: On 10 Feb 1996 18:58:55 GMT, wo...@kitts.u.arizona.edu (Stanton J Wonn)
: wrote:
: >So how about it, folks? Is your image of hell like the Far Side cartoon
: >portraying a maestro condemned to spend eternity with banjo players? Or
: >maybe something else?
: Having just spent an evening in a Karaoke bar, listening to
: tone deaf cowboys sing Garth Brooks, I have a VERY GOOD IDEA of what
: hell is like, thank you very much.
I once spent an evening in a karaoke bar listening to tone-deaf dwarfs
sing Unchained Melody. Looks like your room in hell is going to be right
down the hall from mine.
Hi, neighbor.
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Jonathan E. Eckman
Mine would be to be confined as an eternal undergrad (we're sorry the
class you need will be next offered in 2003) forced to work for a
sadistic boomer boss (Hey kid! Wanna hear MY great Woodstock story), and
going "home" to a dorm packed with religious zealots where the only music
is disco and the only beverage is instant decaf . . .
Now thats damnation . . .
JE
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Stanton J Wonn
: >Hmmm, the more I think about it, the more that image reminds me of
: >my department in particular. =:0
: What on Earth are you talking about? Your department?
In my case, yes. But it applies equally well to quite a number of human
institutions and endeavors, as you yourself note.
: That C.S. Lewis quote just described with extreme clarity my
: entire metropolitan suburban area.....quite possibly the entire North
: East Coast of the U.S.
Not to mention the overwhelming majority of the human race. Feh -- call me
a cynic if you like.
Stan
: "Hell doesn't scare me, I already live there."
If you'd ever been to Mesa, AZ, you wouldn't say that. Mesa is hell (well,
at least Arizona's hell, anyway.)
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Katie Sehorn
>: On 10 Feb 1996 18:58:55 GMT, wo...@kitts.u.arizona.edu (Stanton J Wonn)
>: wrote:
>
>: >So how about it, folks? Is your image of hell like the Far Side cartoon
>: >portraying a maestro condemned to spend eternity with banjo players? Or
>: >maybe something else?
Well, let's see, presuming a hell exists just to placate the
fundamentalist Christians out there, I think mine would be something like
this:
Being trussed up hands to ankles and hung over a lake of molten
rock by a thick iron cord, and having someone or something sawing away at
the cord with a stone knife at just the right distance away from me that
I can't tell how close the cord is to breaking.
Of course, I prefer the reincarnationist theories m'self. Keep
coming back till you learn the lessons you need to learn. Punishment and
misery here, then, is for your own good. Hell appears to me to be the
wrath of some heartless Deity sent upon you till the end of days just
because you weren't perfect for the brief, one time you were on the
earth, and I want nothing to do with any Deity who thinks that way. =)
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> Jonathan E. Eckman (j3ec...@netcom.com) wrote:
> : going "home" to a dorm packed with religious zealots where the only music
>
> University.
Ooh, makes me glad, then, that I couldn't afford to go there. :)
My version of Hell is being stuck in a room full of hyperactive
8-year olds, all of them learning to play Barry Manilow songs on
the violin.
-Leslie
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Steve Hawley
If you believe Satre, L'enfer c'est les autres (hell is other people).
As for me, to define hell, I have to define heaven. Heaven is not a
place or an end. Heaven is a process, specificaly the process of
enlightenment. Hell is not a place or and end. Hell is the length
of time the process of enlightenment takes.
Steve Hawley
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R Scott MacDonald
friends in both places.
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John E. Castasus
(Stanton J Wonn) wrote:
> Personally, I like the image offered by C.S. Lewis in his book _The
> Screwtape Letters_:
> "We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually
> concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone
> has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious
> passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment."
The more I think about it, C.S. Lewis is describing the United States,
circa 1996.
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Susan Irvin
freaking me out enough to make me watch what I do and say for a
while). I don't know if I believe in Purgatory (hey...I'm not
Catholic, so I don't have to believe in it). The idea of different
circles of Hell, specifically for certain categories of sins,
intrigues me. I still don't want to go there, though. :)
Piers Anthony wrote a series of books (the _Incarnations of Immortality_
series) that got me thinking about this whole thing, too. There's
no Purgatory in his series, rather, Hell is the place where people
work off their sins. I kinda like the idea, but I also suspect that it's
not entirely fair to people who live closer to the time of Judgement Day.
I mean, they won't have had as much time as, say some of those not-so-
good Popes back in the thirteen and fourteen hundreds, to work off their
sins.
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Erich Schwarz
> Heaven is not a place or an end.
> Heaven is a process, specificaly the process of
> enlightenment. Hell is not a place or and end. Hell is the length
> of time the process of enlightenment takes.
Is this from Raymond Smullyan's _Is God a Taoist?_, or did
you formulate this idea independently? :)
--Erich (liked Smullyan's essay)
Guy Gaffney
>From: pink...@vnet.ibm.com(dan snider)
>Subject: Re: What's YOUR concept of hell?
>Date: 15 Feb 1996 16:54:20 GMT
Life.
Wendi Dunlap
(Jason Simpson) wrote:
> < my virgin post to asgx. don't expect much from here on out. :) >
Ooh! YHBA.
Where is that welcome wagon, anyway?
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Jason Simpson
Hell is a subtle beast. Hell is here with us, daily. At times, it peeks in
just long to keep us aware that we -are- alive, at others, it makes us
wish we -were- dead.
Hell is the alarm clock...
Hell is the cat box...
Hell is the foreboding subject line on email from your boss...
Hell is a two week old half-full can of Coke you just mistook for the
fresh one...
Hell is that moment, when you're just around the corner from where you
parked your car, when you can't remember if you -really- turned your
lights off...
< my virgin post to asgx. don't expect much from here on out. :) >
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I geek, therefore I am.
David Steinberg
Jason Simpson <wa...@glossolalia.com> wrote:
>< my virgin post to asgx. don't expect much from here on out. :) >
>
About time, wouldn't you say? :)
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I used to hear various fundamentalist versions of Hell. One was a dark
place where you slowly burned away, only to heal to be burned again.
There was no companionship of any kind. Another version was the ol' Lake
of Fire with all the other bad souls, wherethere was a lot of wailing and
gnashing of teeth. Whatever.
Personally, I've experienced Hell, for just a couple of minutes. My
version is this itchy/clenchy feeling in the stomach and all across your
skin, where we can't itch it or touch whatever it is, but you feel
something *gnawing* at you. It's this awful frustration, not being able
to get rid of it, not even knowing what it is that's attacking you, or if
it's in your body or your head. Damn, that's awful.
--
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Andrew Ross
>Personally, I've experienced Hell, for just a couple of minutes. My
>version is this itchy/clenchy feeling in the stomach and all across your
>skin, where we can't itch it or touch whatever it is, but you feel
>something *gnawing* at you. It's this awful frustration, not being able
>to get rid of it...
Have you tried asking her to just go home? *duck*
Andrew
Marco Anglesio
: In article <waxed-18029...@10.0.2.15>, wa...@glossolalia.com
: (Jason Simpson) wrote:
: > < my virgin post to asgx. don't expect much from here on out. :) >
: Ooh! YHBA.
I dunno ... Wendi, did you expect much from there on in
m.
Dave Mooney
> Personally, I've experienced Hell, for just a couple of minutes. My
> version is this itchy/clenchy feeling in the stomach and all across your
> skin, where we can't itch it or touch whatever it is, but you feel
> something *gnawing* at you.
Aaaaa! Don't do that!
dave.. *shudder*
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Dave Mooney
> < my virgin post to asgx. don't expect much from here on out. :) >
Great. *Another* newbie sleeping his way onto the A-list!
dave.. Hi Jason. :-)
R Scott MacDonald
>
>As for me, to define hell, I have to define heaven. Heaven is not a
>place or an end. Heaven is a process, specificaly the process of
>enlightenment. Hell is not a place or and end. Hell is the length
>of time the process of enlightenment takes.
>
My favourite definition of heaven was on the first Simply Red album, where
heaven was a bar where a band played his favourite songs. My kind of
place. I hope the lead singer is a flirtatious cutie,that the red wine is
halfway decent, and that there's never a last call.
--Anne-Marie
Dave Mooney
> My favourite definition of heaven was on the first Simply Red album, where
> heaven was a bar where a band played his favourite songs.
No, you're thinking of "Cheers". Simplay Red's heaven is a place where
nothing ever happens.
dave
coates
: No, you're thinking of "Cheers". Simplay Red's heaven is a place where
: nothing ever happens.
No no no. *Cheers* is the place, the place where nothing, nothing ever
happens... It's a song by David Burns.
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Wendi Dunlap
Anglesio) wrote:
> Wendi Dunlap (litl...@slumberland.com) wrote:
> : In article <waxed-18029...@10.0.2.15>, wa...@glossolalia.com
> : (Jason Simpson) wrote:
>
> : > < my virgin post to asgx. don't expect much from here on out. :) >
>
> : Ooh! YHBA.
>
> I dunno ... Wendi, did you expect much from there on in
Nah, Jason's a slacker. We'll be lucky to get any more posts from him this
millennium. :)
Wendi Dunlap
> Jason Simpson <wa...@glossolalia.com> wrote:
> > < my virgin post to asgx. don't expect much from here on out. :) >
>
> Great. *Another* newbie sleeping his way onto the A-list!
Cute. Very cute. :)
KIM HARTLEY
:
: Hell is a subtle beast. Hell is here with us, daily. At times, it peeks in
: just long to keep us aware that we -are- alive, at others, it makes us
: wish we -were- dead.
:
: Hell is the alarm clock...
:
: Hell is the cat box...
:
: Hell is the foreboding subject line on email from your boss...
:
: Hell is a two week old half-full can of Coke you just mistook for the
: fresh one...
:
: Hell is that moment, when you're just around the corner from where you
: parked your car, when you can't remember if you -really- turned your
: lights off...
What? Nothing about having to sit through a 2 hour Jean Claude-Van Dame
movie that you *actually* paid 7 dollars to see?
:
: < my virgin post to asgx. don't expect much from here on out. :) >
:
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>R Scott MacDonald <rscott.m...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> My favourite definition of heaven was on the first Simply Red album, where
>> heaven was a bar where a band played his favourite songs.
>
>nothing ever happens.
Sounds a lot like "Cheers".
--Anne-Marie MacDonald
Elizabeth Randell
traffic while, on the radio, Garrison Keillor is reading a terrible poem
about someone's cat. <shudder>
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three minutes of the above scenario was ENOUGH
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Jennifer Basil
: What is hell?
: If you believe Satre, L'enfer c'est les autres (hell is other people).
If you had any idea how often I mutter this to myself! Other than that,
hell to me is: indecision.
*ponderous look*
Jenny
Douglas Lathrop
: In article <4gsvfa$18...@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>,
: eran...@email.unc.edu (Elizabeth Randell) wrote:
: |
: | I can now answer this question. My concept of Hell is being stuck in
: | about someone's cat. <shudder>
: |
: | --Elizabeth
: | three minutes of the above scenario was ENOUGH
: But you were with MEEEEEE!
Well, then, you and Liz can honestly say that you've been to Hell and
back together.
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>Jenny
So.. would you consider the idea that Eve, chosing that fateful pomegranite/
apple, was in fact opening doors to heaven? Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge
of Good and Evil... thus choice is enabled.
sheil
steven r kleinedler
Douglas Lathrop <lat...@primenet.com> wrote:
>Erich Schwarz <sch...@cubsps.bio.columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>: This? *This* is the fate that all those preachers have been
>: threatening me with for all those years? If I don't obey them,
>: I'll be condemned to ... have pagan hot sex in a secret alcove?
>
>: Well, I suppose that frightens *some* people. >=^|
>
>Sure - the people in the room just below them.
>
>*squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* . . .
>
Ah, yes. Reminds me of the moose.cave in New Orleans with various
elk.couples on the top bunk...
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when I am living in a nursing home and forced to eat pureed food. Any
smooth food -- pudding, custard, yogurt, applesauce (not ice cream,
thankfully -- it melts) -- makes me physically ill. The thought of
living in a nursing home doesn't really do it for me either.
Runner-up: My uncle died of Lou Gehrig's Disease. 'Nuff said.
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Chris Lehmann
>In article <4hea91$h...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>,
>Douglas Lathrop <lat...@primenet.com> wrote:
>>*squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* . . .
>
>Ah, yes. Reminds me of the moose.cave in New Orleans with various
>elk.couples on the top bunk...
Ex*cuse* me!?!?!?!?! We were wondering what the noises from below were....
And hey, you could have knocked before coming home from clubbing. ;)
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>> *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* . . .
> Ah, yes. Reminds me of the moose.cave in New Orleans with various
> elk.couples on the top bunk...
We needed some way to drown out all the snoogering going on in the lower
bunk. :-P
dave
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Ellen,
I watched my Grandmother vegitate for 10 years in a nursing home.
Take up rock climbing, solo sailboat racing, areobatic flying, base
jumping, or rodeo riding. Better to burn out than to fade away...
David Aaron Tepper
> In article <1774110027...@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu>,
> ZU0...@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu (Ellen Cotter) writes:
[deletia]
> >Runner-up: My uncle died of Lou Gehrig's Disease. 'Nuff said.
>
> No question here: my Grandma had Alzheimer's...'Nuf said.
Not only did my granddad die of brain cancer, his _brother_
got it at age 33 and committed suicide. And I look more like both
of them than my dad does... tends to put a substantial "Oh, god"
factor into my headaches. :(
Dave Tepper