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Paul Tatum

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Aug 24, 2001, 8:40:23 PM8/24/01
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Flintlock700 <flintl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> This may sound crazy but I hunt from a tree stand about 25 feet up
in the air.

Yep , sounds crazy . Anything less than 30 is insane .Didn't anyone
tell you that deer can jump 25 feet and that they are poisonous ?

Just kidding ( they're not really poisonous )

I do the same and have noticed that they don't really care much about
smoke , being used to smelling brush fires and such in the fall . I
smoke a pipe in the stand as well and have killed deer with a pipe in
my mouth several times . This isn't intentional , they just show up
when I have it in my teeth and I don't want to move and take the pipe
out for fear of spooking the beast . It usually goes out while I wait
for the shot , and then I get ash all over my face from the recoil .
Some of my friends dance around in the campfire smoke to cover their
scent on over night hunting trips , but that's not a good comparison
because they usually don't kill anything anyway , and smoke won't
cover the smell if stale beer , which isn't a natural smell , uh ,
except in Davie county .
Paul


Todd R Jerabek

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Aug 24, 2001, 8:28:55 PM8/24/01
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Now, there is a good question. How about smoking in the stand, period?

Have any of you done so? I try to get my clothes smoky smelling because it
masks scent so well, and it doesn't bother the deer. However, I try not to
smoke while hunting.

Todd


Paul Tatum

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Aug 24, 2001, 8:43:42 PM8/24/01
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PS , I use one of those new fangled charcoal suits to cover my scent ,
mask , gloves , the whole nine yards . I can get up out of bed all
smelling bad with latakia breath and everything and go straight to the
stand with no worries . If you don't have one I can recommend them
highly .

Paul


Flintlock700

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Aug 24, 2001, 8:25:17 PM8/24/01
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This may sound crazy but I hunt from a tree stand about 25 feet up in the air.
In my opinion nothing is better than lighting up after I get up in a tree and
waiting in the quiet darkness for the sun to come up while smoking my pipe in
the quiet darkness.

The crazy thing is the last three years I have had deer come up on me downwind
of me while I was smoking a vanillia cvs tobacco. I mentioned this to my
hunting partners and they said deer are indeed attracted to vanilla sent and in
fact its illegal to use extract of vanilla as an attractant in Tennessee. Of
course no law mentions pipe smoke.

So what is going on here. Am I on to something. Has anyone else ever heard of
this.


Ol' Texan

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Aug 24, 2001, 9:35:39 PM8/24/01
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My neighbor smokes cigarettes ina tree stand and never gets a deer. I smoke
a pipe in an incredibly old ground level blind, that I'm told looks like a
burning pile of leaves when I'm in it, and limit every year.
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Colonel Panic

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Aug 24, 2001, 10:08:24 PM8/24/01
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Paul Tatum looked over at me with a glazed eye and some bovine

perspiration on his upper lip area and said:

>PS , I use one of those new fangled charcoal suits to cover my scent ,
>mask , gloves , the whole nine yards . I can get up out of bed all
>smelling bad with latakia breath and everything

Do they look sexy in a manly sort of way? Sounds like a great idea in
MANgerie for the morning after a night out wit' da boys.

Whaddaya think, Kendal?

Reg'ds,

Terry

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
--
I was delighted to be able to answer promptly. "I don't know", I said.
Mark Twain

Bear Graves

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Aug 24, 2001, 10:21:01 PM8/24/01
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Colonel Panic wrote:

> Paul Tatum looked over at me with a glazed eye and some bovine
> perspiration on his upper lip area and said:
>
> >PS , I use one of those new fangled charcoal suits to cover my scent ,
> >mask , gloves , the whole nine yards . I can get up out of bed all
> >smelling bad with latakia breath and everything
>
> Do they look sexy in a manly sort of way? Sounds like a great idea in
> MANgerie for the morning after a night out wit' da boys.
>
> Whaddaya think, Kendal?
>
> Reg'ds,
>
> Terry

Don't Kendal over here on this thread, he gets hot 'n bothered just looking
at the Sears Catalog!

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Bear Graves

"Lazurus, Come out" - Jesus; John 11:43

"Hey Ho, let's Go!" - The Ramones


Ronald S. Ipock

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Aug 24, 2001, 10:34:17 PM8/24/01
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flintl...@aol.com (Flintlock700) wrote:

After reading all these posts in this thread, I was wondering, do
people still go out hunting without science backing them up? Growing
up, we shot with scopeless .30-.30's and wore levi jackets and seemed
to do well enough for a poor family to get a year's worth of meat.

Todd Enders

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Aug 24, 2001, 11:09:37 PM8/24/01
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In <4g3eotc794j41gta9...@4ax.com> Ronald S. Ipock wrote:

> After reading all these posts in this thread, I was wondering, do
> people still go out hunting without science backing them up? Growing
> up, we shot with scopeless .30-.30's and wore levi jackets and seemed
> to do well enough for a poor family to get a year's worth of meat.
>

As far as I'm concerned, the cover scents, scent absorbing clothing, etc. is
just
something to seperate people from their money. :-) A scope helps when your
eyes
aren't as good as they once were, but that's about my only concession to
moderninity.
Much more important to know which way the wind is blowing. :-) A lit pipe
makes
a dandy wind detector. :-)

Knowing the area, more or less, hunting into the wind, and knowing how to
move relatively quietly will bag more deer than "science" ever can. A little
pre-
season scouting to see where the deer are at what time of the day makes the
hunt much easier as well.

On more than one occasion I've walked treerows and come within stone
throwing distance of deer. Moderately breezy days are really good, as the
wind masks the noise of you moving. If you walk slow and stay alert, you'll
get the jump on them often as not. :-)

Todd


HoyoD

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Aug 24, 2001, 11:29:47 PM8/24/01
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So far I haven't smoked in my stand but my two partners always smoke
cigarettes and fill most of their tags on most years (we get several tags in
NY). One hunts in the air and one on the ground. Most consistent hunters
I've ever met.
I did notice that, last year while doing some pre-season scouting, a nice
buck came pretty close to the ground blind I was in while I was smoking a
cigar. And I was upwind of him!
I make a few concessions with some anti-scent stuff during season and only
smoke after I've gotten a deer or at lunch time. It seems obvious to me
though that this is more for my own peace of mind than anything else. I
guess I just try to concentrate on not having too much human smell blasting
out, that seems to be the real trigger.
Whatever. I've been getting deer every year lately and plan on taking my
pipe into the tree with me this year. Now, if I could just decide what to
smoke in it........maybe some Escudo.......hmmmm.......

chris (counting the days till opening of bow season!)

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Ronald Ward

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Aug 25, 2001, 12:12:45 AM8/25/01
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Oh yeah, I've been hearing those cock & bull stories for years! <BG>I do not
doubt that deer would be drawn by vaniller flavored baccy but I wonder about
anise or licorice flavored tobacco because I've heard they are attracted to
that too. One of dads friends, an old poacher use to drench himself with Brute
after shave like he was disco-boy going to his first dance and he would swear
that the deer would come looking for him (he smelled s-o-o-o-o good)! That ole
feller even claimed deer liked his cigarette smoke, guess it made them curious
and they would want a look-see. He even had a fawn lay down beside him while he
was smoking a cig. One of Lloyd's best hunting skills, besides blind luck was
he could sit still for long periods and not move. Funny thing about the old
coot that no one would see hide or hair of Mr. Buck but wherever he was he saw
herds of deer with antlers out to here! LOL. Then at night he would jump up and
say "Boys! The moon's full, them deer's er a walken!" Wish I would have tried
flavored tobacco when I had my dad to hunt with. We had some good times camping
and deer hunting in the woods and mountains. Lost him a year ago June, a very
bad head-on collision with a young girl that either fell asleep after pulling a
double shift at the hospital or she was talking on the phone and crossed the
centerline. He was pulling his camper from our deer camp spot at his brother's
cabin. He was helping out at the church camp in Wilburton, OK where he was a
night guard. BTW Dad was a church deacon and yesterday the 23rd would have been
his 69th birthday. But, I keep his old pipes warm, DR. G's and a Yello Bowl.

Ron

"It is through history that we learn Hope." Gen. Robert E. Lee

Stephen Disrud

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Aug 25, 2001, 12:07:19 AM8/25/01
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Ronald S. Ipock <smon...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
<4g3eotc794j41gta9...@4ax.com>:

>After reading all these posts in this thread, I was wondering, do
>people still go out hunting without science backing them up? Growing
>up, we shot with scopeless .30-.30's and wore levi jackets and seemed
>to do well enough for a poor family to get a year's worth of meat.

I just took the scope off my .243 and am going back to open sites this
year. It gets a little cold in ND during rifle season for levi jackets
though.

This is the first year that I'll take a pipe with me hunting--Any
suggestions for tobac.?

Ronald S. Ipock

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Aug 25, 2001, 2:18:22 AM8/25/01
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Stephen...@ndsu.nodak.edu.nospam (Stephen Disrud) wrote:

>Ronald S. Ipock <smon...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
><4g3eotc794j41gta9...@4ax.com>:
>
>>After reading all these posts in this thread, I was wondering, do
>>people still go out hunting without science backing them up? Growing
>>up, we shot with scopeless .30-.30's and wore levi jackets and seemed
>>to do well enough for a poor family to get a year's worth of meat.
>
>I just took the scope off my .243 and am going back to open sites this
>year. It gets a little cold in ND during rifle season for levi jackets
>though.

ours were lined. But you got us beat by about 5 degrees latitude. I
remember our weather being a little below freezing, but I reckon that
it gets a lot colder in ND.

Brad Sims

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Aug 25, 2001, 2:35:47 AM8/25/01
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Jon Tillman <j...@eruditum.org> wrote:

> My hunting equipment for this year:

> (1) Winchester 700 in 7mm
> (1) Surplus M1A jacket
> (1) pair surplus boots
> (8) deer tags :)

My equipment
(1) Matthews SQ2 with (6) arrows (75grain Thunderheads on Goldtip 3555)
(1) Walls bib-overalls
(1) Blaze-orange vest
(1) The boots I wear everyday
(1) deer tag (I can buy more over-the-counter) :p
--
Dash Dash Space

Paul Tatum

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Aug 25, 2001, 8:03:53 AM8/25/01
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Well , when I was a kid we had to kill our first deer before we had
clothes to wear hunting , we only dreamed of having levi jackets ; and
we didn't use no high brow rifles neither , no sir , we *gnawed* the
bastards to death , yup , sat in our tree nekkid as gods truth and
when the deer came under us we jumped down and chewed their throats
out with our new front teeth . Science , pah ! Them rifles is for
wussies what with that combustion and muzzel velocity and all that
nonsense . Just give me a good old fashioned pair of incisors any day
.

Paul
(science is good ) :)

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Bear Graves

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Aug 25, 2001, 8:53:06 AM8/25/01
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Brad Sims wrote:

My equipment:

1 Nikon F-5
1.Nikon N90s (back up body)
1 100-300mm lens
1 28-105mm lens
5 rolls Provia E-6
Pipes and weed!

What can I say? I prefer beef!

Best,

Bear Graves

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Aug 25, 2001, 8:55:01 AM8/25/01
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Paul Tatum wrote:

> Well , when I was a kid we had to kill our first deer before we had
> clothes to wear hunting , we only dreamed of having levi jackets ; and
> we didn't use no high brow rifles neither , no sir , we *gnawed* the
> bastards to death , yup , sat in our tree nekkid as gods truth and
> when the deer came under us we jumped down and chewed their throats
> out with our new front teeth . Science , pah ! Them rifles is for
> wussies what with that combustion and muzzel velocity and all that
> nonsense . Just give me a good old fashioned pair of incisors any day
> .

You had TEETH??!! LUXURY, I tell you. We gummed 'em to death, and were
dammed glad for the opportunity!

Pampered kids.......

Todd R Jerabek

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Aug 25, 2001, 9:56:10 AM8/25/01
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My equipment:

Hoyt - Flash Point Heat
100 Grain Wasp SST Hammer
old army camo fatigues
garden boots (boots that I wear to protect my feet while doing garden and
yard work)
lots of water

Todd R Jerabek

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Aug 25, 2001, 9:57:37 AM8/25/01
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Oh yeah, I shoot with no release, no peep, but I do use a single pin sight
(sometime I even go without that).

Todd


Neil Bell

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Aug 25, 2001, 11:54:05 AM8/25/01
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Bear Graves <goldn...@home.com> wrote:

>
>My equipment:
>
>1 Nikon F-5
>1.Nikon N90s (back up body)
>1 100-300mm lens
>1 28-105mm lens
>5 rolls Provia E-6
>Pipes and weed!
>
>What can I say? I prefer beef!
>
>Best,

Nikon 8008
500 mm Nikon Mirror lens
Sturdy tripod
LL Bean camo shirt
Vanilla extract (it works, I think)
Nice Canadian (thanks, Bear)
Pouch of Pease BC
Old Boy

Then I hope no deer shows up too soon while I enjoy the BC!

Brad Sims

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Aug 25, 2001, 12:45:47 PM8/25/01
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Todd R Jerabek <tjer...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> Oh yeah, I shoot with no release, no peep, but I do use a single pin sight
> (sometime I even go without that).

Do you use a compound or a traditional bow? It sounds like you are 80% there
now.

--
Friends Don't Let Friends Use Microsoft.

Todd R Jerabek

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Aug 25, 2001, 12:57:04 PM8/25/01
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I had a recurve, but it had sat for a bit. A friend wanted to see it and
try shooting with it. I strung it and set it down and turned my back. He
picked it up and pulled back the string. I heard the crack and turned to
look back at him, he just stared at me with his jaw down to his belt.

It was over 60 years old.

I have to take it to be looked at one of these days. Maybe someon can fix
it. (Big sigh)

Todd


Tony Coronado

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Aug 25, 2001, 1:54:26 PM8/25/01
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, Bear Graves wrote:
>
> You had TEETH??!! LUXURY, I tell you. We gummed 'em to death, and were
> dammed glad for the opportunity!

You had gums? Bah! We just had to stare them down, lookin' real
mean-like.

Stinkin' rich kids...

Tony.

Ian Rastall

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Aug 25, 2001, 3:46:11 PM8/25/01
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All of alt.smokers.pipes trembled as Bear Graves (goldn...@home.com)
uttered:

> > > My hunting equipment for this year:
> > >
> > > (1) Winchester 700 in 7mm
> > > (1) Surplus M1A jacket
> > > (1) pair surplus boots
> > > (8) deer tags :)
> >
> > My equipment
> > (1) Matthews SQ2 with (6) arrows (75grain Thunderheads on Goldtip 3555)
> > (1) Walls bib-overalls
> > (1) Blaze-orange vest
> > (1) The boots I wear everyday
> > (1) deer tag (I can buy more over-the-counter) :p
>
> My equipment:
>
> 1 Nikon F-5
> 1.Nikon N90s (back up body)
> 1 100-300mm lens
> 1 28-105mm lens
> 5 rolls Provia E-6
> Pipes and weed!
>

My equipment:

(1) Nikon F-5
(1) 100-300mm lens
(1) mid-size tutu
(1) M-1 Abrams tank
(1) can of Crisco
(1) book of incantations

Ian
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Bear Graves

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Aug 25, 2001, 3:46:37 PM8/25/01
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Mid size? Not when you and I were out shoppin for 'em!

<mid size, sheesh>

Ian Rastall

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Aug 25, 2001, 3:55:15 PM8/25/01
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All of alt.smokers.pipes trembled as Bear Graves (goldn...@home.com)
uttered:
> > My equipment:
> >
> > (1) Nikon F-5
> > (1) 100-300mm lens
> > (1) mid-size tutu
> > (1) M-1 Abrams tank
> > (1) can of Crisco
> > (1) book of incantations
> >
> >
>
> Mid size? Not when you and I were out shoppin for 'em!
>
> <mid size, sheesh>
>

Well, I'm just a little embarrassed . . .

Ian
--

http://home.earthlink.net/~irastall/links/pipe.html

John Hamilton McGrath

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Aug 26, 2001, 12:04:51 AM8/26/01
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Well, as a non-PC type individual... I think it would only be fair to
outfit Bambi with the same weaponry, trainin' an' blinds as the rest of
youse guys. Just to truly be sporting.

Awww - Damn! I'm gonna hafta staple my lips next time!! The f**ckin'
stitches didn't hold!

John

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John Hamilton McGrath

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Aug 26, 2001, 12:29:03 AM8/26/01
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Boys,Boys... True talent is demonstrated best - when you can sneak up on
'em, insert the bullet(s) manually; an' make an exit with the dear bein'
blissfully unaware of hiz nasty victimization... you may return before the
dinner hour for the carcass.

John

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Brad Sims

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Aug 26, 2001, 1:35:34 AM8/26/01
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Jon Tillman <j...@eruditum.org> wrote:

> At least Bambi ca nrun, those ppor defenseless vegetables just have to sit
> there and wait to be slaughtered :)

Yup, I have used this one on a vegan friend of mine who was kidding me
about the rare steak I was eating. "At least the cow I am eating is dead,
that carot you are eating is still *alive* ."
--
...A Microsoft spokesperson said, "while fighting software piracy
is good for our business, highway robbery is our business."

John Ellacott

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Aug 26, 2001, 11:57:13 PM8/26/01
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question to all you Deer hunters. How many of you smoke on the watch?
I do and have been fairly succesful . If it matters MacBarens Virginia #1 is
what I smoke.


Ronald Ward

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Aug 27, 2001, 5:19:30 PM8/27/01
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Usually, no. But I have a few times before.

Ron

Dark Horse

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Aug 31, 2001, 10:10:48 PM8/31/01
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What's wrong with that?

dh

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Bear Graves

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Aug 31, 2001, 10:29:26 PM8/31/01
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The MEN'S section???!!! <g>

Dark Horse wrote:

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"Unlike the other Vikings, he did not toss the babies into the air and catch
them on his spear, for this, he was known as "Child Friend"
-Landnamabok, Icelandic Saga


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