Orlik Tobacco Company
JohhnyO
and I have to say that I am rather angry at this company, or at least with
its American exports. They are supposedly the maker of 20% of all pipe
tobacco and wish to become the international leader in tobacco production.
Their press release stats they are increasing exports to France, Canada and
a few other countries...
The P&T Mag article quotes from Orlik: '"We're constantly trying to satisfy
consumer demand. We adjust our focus. We always test new blends with
consumer groups. We take their suggestions and adjust the blend. During the
three months before its introduction, we develop the packaging and the
marketing materials, then it's ready for release."'
So does their adjustment of focus mean that Americans only want aromatic
tobaccos...and some good ones too, but their main tobaccos in the US are
Orlik Golden Sliced, Erinmore, and Stokkebye blends. Why did they make Dark
Strong Kentucky unavailable here? If you look at their website they make a
few dozen brands and blends I've never even seen. Did you know there's an
Erinmore plug!? They even make Bell's Three Nuns.
Why don't they export these tobaccos to the US? I sent them an email
explaining my anger, and am still awaiting a response...
Is there any logic to their madness? Is there something I am missing or some
news I haven't heard or a lull in prodution temporaily? Or are they screwing
over the American pipe smoker? I can't afford to have their tobacos
airmailed here...
~Johnny Ochsner
Ed Duncan
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couldn't agree more, JohnnyO. In my case, I don't do aromatics (until
the last of my AutumnEvening is gone). I will never buy another tin of
any Dunnie tobacco, assuming what's left is still all Orlch). Too much
good stuff from C&D/Pease/Rattrays/Esoterica etc. Yes, seeing that USA
likes aromatics more than latakia blends, seems outrageous that
they're not exporting the items you mention to here.
Ed Duncan, Batavia, NY
pipe since '62, brain addled/mindless forever
Casey
Hey Johnny,
I agree with you also. I would like to try some of their European blends
that aren't available here.
A while back I sent them an email inquiring about Orlik Brown Sliced and
why it was not available here. The only reason they provided was that it
is only available in Denmark. They did suggest that I try their PS #403
Bulls eye Flake, and offered to send me a sample (which I have yet to
receive).
I'd like some answers too :)
Casey
KIM KOCHER
they could make sufficient profit to justify shipping and selling DSK here.
Kim
"JohhnyO" <treble_2@-remove-yahoo.com> wrote in message
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XYZZZ
With all the good blenders around, don't bother with companies that
are going to skirt you around. Go with a company that meets your
needs. If a company doesn't, then they're not worth your or my coin.
Michael
bluewind
Now worries at this end . . . Orlik did a awful, spurious, snake
oil, imitation with their remake or imitation of Three Nuns-it wasn't
nearly as complex, rich, nor rewarding, as the original produced in
Scotland by Bells-it was like comparing Fudge Cycles to Hagen Daz.
Are not they the company who tried to duplicate Bengal Slices and
completely failed at that? Perhaps it is a challenge beyond their
expertise and abilities to reproduce the classic tobaccos-otherwise we
would still be enjoying the unforgettable and immortal smokes many of
us now miss.
You're really not missing anything there unless you've never smoked
the originals More to the point, lately we were treated to their
recreation (GULP) of the Dunhill line. YIKES!!! Enough said on
that one. No wonder the Murry's Dunhill's are now going for over $50
a tin--you'd think they would take notice and fix the problem?
Seems they could reproduce a tobacco at least somewhat close to the
original--guess not?
They must really be ashamed of themselves for the dreadful job they
did with their feeble attempts to reproduce tobaccos that were loved
by pipe smokers around the world for generations.
Furthermore, knowing that they botched it and no one wanted to
purchase their versions and that many smokers hold them responsible
for ruining the timeless blends and flakes we loved.
Blue
Ngo Dinh Diem
I feel the same despair from time to time, all we get here from Orlik
are Erinmore Flake and mixture, and the occasional pouch of Golden
Sliced, nothing of the other blends they make, it's quite sad really.
I think the fact no quality produce is shipped is related to a lack of
education about the great blends out there, I think some people go
through life smoking nothing more than the readily available gunk like
Borkum Riff. Sad really, but oh well, I suppose that's what the
internet is for, kind regards
Peter.
Juan in Andalucía
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If it is any consotaion; those blends aren't available either in
Spain.
Juan in Andalucía
bluewind
You ain't missing much.
JohhnyO
"Dear John Ochsner
Thank you very much for your e-mail from October 21st 2007. We are pleased
to learn about your interest in pipe tobacco and your dedication to our
products.
It is correct that Dark Stong Kentucky has been delisted. The reason is the
fact that sales had dropped to a few kg per annum. This sales level can
unfortunately not justify the costs involved in marketing and production a
blend.
Our current range in the US include more than 30 different blends. On the
web-site for our US distributor - www.villigerstokkebye.com you will be able
to see the various blends and a description of the range.
Among our international brands we also have some of the variants from both
"Skandinavik" and "W.Ø. Larsen" on the US market.
We hope you among the listed products will be able to find a good substitute
for Dark Strong Kentucky and wish you some good smoking hours with some of
the many blends we have on the US market.
Best Regards
Thorkild Knudsen
Senior Vice President
Orlik Tobacco Company
Tobaksvej 1
5610 Assens
Denmark"
Whatever, like others have said, I'm probably not missing much
~Johnny O.
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pipeman
Orlik has the rights to some of the blends in limited markets only, it
would be illegal to ship them here. Prehaps this will change, prehaps
not. Its my understanding all of their tobacco is importer in the US
by Villager, which has been discontinueing product. If you wish to
complain to anyone it should be Villager. BTW Imperial is about to
purchase Altadis, but I don't think that will change the availability
here. I;m not sure who has the US rights, Imperial or BAT, but either
way I don't see the return of Capstan to our shores. Imperial
liscensed Drum to republic rather than continuing to export it. I
don't think Orlik has the art to make pipe tobacco the english way.
Imperial still cases their tobacco by laying the leaves on the floor,
and sprinkling flavored water on it. Orlik uses modern equipment and
methods. It may be impossible to use the methods "passed down by our
forefathers" as Imperial does. Since the big trend in the industry is
concentrate on the most profitable brands and discontinue the rest, I
really don't forsee an expansion. Its quite possible Altadis' recent
trend of product introductions will be reversed. Its also possible
but less likely that Altadis will import Imperial pipe tobacco.
Imperial's press releases make it clear that its Altadis' European
cigarette businesses they are after, not cigars, and most certainly
not pipe tobacco. Imperial is offereing around 18 Billion dollars,
pipe tobacco has to be much less than 1% of that, cigars probably not
much more than 10%.