Whistling Pipes
Charles
buy it. Something about the draft hole etc. What B&M would let you
stick it in your mouth before buying I don't know. Anyway. I am smoking
a Sav second, and I noticed it whistles. I've got three other Savs.
They all whistle. These are some of my best smoking pipes!. I assume
the whistling is because the hole is larger? Or what? Not that it
matters,but I wish more of my pipes whistle. Any opinions? Like
qualities in your pipe(s)?
Funn
bvartist-omb
Whistling is usually caused by turbulence in the air stream from the
bowl to the button. The whistling may or may not affect the smoking
properties of the pipe. But, the pipe may have a tendency to gurgle or
smoke wet if the whistle is due to a poorly made taper in the stem, a
bad transition from the airway to the funnel behind the button, or a
bad transition from the airway in the shank to the airway in the stem.
This isn't always the case, but a good indicator that some problem may
exist. But if your pipes whistle and smoke well for you, I wouldn't
worry much about it!
RickPiatt
a couple of years ago. Man that used to annoy me. As I remember, the
whistling was always due to too much moisture buildup in the stem and
passing a pipe cleaner usually fixed it - for a few minutes at least. If
that is your best smoking pipe and it whistles for the same reason that I
just mentioned then you have yet to smoke a good pipe. Best solution -
trash that whistling pipe and buy yourself a new mid grade pipe to replace
it.
--
Rick Piatt
Smoking Pipes since 1997
"If the pocket can afford it, PAD won't ignore it."
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Charles
I don't have any moisture buold up, no cleaner problems, nothing.
They smoke like a charm. They whistle only when empty or I pack it
ectremely loose and about mid or 2/3 of the bowl down. they're great
smoking pipes. Aren't Savinellis higher than mid grade pipes?
I thought they were along with Petersons and Stanwells. Oh I almost
forgot. I gotta Pete that whistles too.
Funn
Kurt Huhn
Whistling doesn't necessarily mean bad things - it can be embarrassing
though, like whistling boogers. Sometimes a whistle will mean a pipe
will smoke wet and hot, but not always. It's an indicating factor in
quality - how much time someone spent on crafting the pipe and making
sure it's up to their standards. Since that can't really happen with
factory pipes, they can tend to whistle.
The whistle can be caused by a few things: a poorly designed slot,
abrupt changes in airway diameter, a burr protruding into the airway,
and turbulence in the air stream. It can also be caused by an airway
that doesn't match up at the end of stem's tenon and the bottom of the
mortise, or by rough edges of the airway right at it's beginning in the
bowl.
I've fixed whistling stems before and found that they smoke 100% better
without the whistle. but, if the pipe is already an excellent smoker, I
wouldn't worry too much about it.
--
Kurt Huhn
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Smoking Brain
mid grade pipes. A high end pipe is something like a Dunhill, Castello,
Tinsky, Rad Davis, etc.
Cheers,
The Smoking Brain
http://www.tobaccocellar.org/tinlist.php?cellar=292
Michael
it was explained to me that the airway was too big. Steve put in one of
those Dunhill metal innertubes and it smoked just fine, no whistling at
all. It smoked fine before hand but I was tired of the whistling. Try
experimenting with how you pack the tobacco, I've had success with that
as well.
Michael
Corneel Vermeulen
> They all whistle. These are some of my best smoking pipes!
I think that is what it boils down to: they are good smoking pipes. Why
would you alter anything, and risk them to become -- perhaps -- not so
good, or even bad, smoking pipes?
Unless the whistling really annoys you, I wouldn't change it.
All the talk about turbulence and such has its merit, no doubt about
that. But that does not mean it should be taken as gospel. After all,
your pipes do whistle and they smoke great, according to you. That could
be proof that there may be more to what makes a good pipe than merely a
smooth airway (big or small).
Heck, if it would be all true that turbulence is a Bad Thing(tm) then
that would mean that you could not find a good smoking Peterson System
pipe, or that every single German pipe smoker has only bad pipes, given
their apparent fondness of 9mm filters.
If I were you, all I would do with those pipes is smoke them.
Enjoy ;-)
--
Corneel Vermeulen corneel....@gmail.com http://pipelore.net/
hornypipe
Dear Charles ; I had a couple of whistling pipes , I used a very fine
file ( one milimetre in diameter ) and ran it through all the openings
. That fixed the whistling .H
Briarroot
I think whistling is unimportant, though perhaps I might feel
differently if I were spending hundreds (or thousands) of dollars on
a pipe. I have a few pipes that whistled when they were new, but
after smoking them for several years and building some cake in the
bowl, they didn't whistle anymore. I've never noticed whistling to
be indicative of any factor effecting the smokeability of a pipe.
Regards,
Tim Parker ... GH Brown Flake in a Stanwell billiard
--
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The main question here is what makes a good smoker of a pipe. Particularly,
what is the role of engineering. There is no conclusive answer. More
precisely, if we have a perfectly engineered pipe made of well-cured high
quality briar most probably it would be a wonderful smoker. What if, for
instance, engineering is not perfect? Would it turn the pipe to a lousy
smoker? It's difficult to say. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
Whistling pipe is a pipe with bad engineering. There is no physical law,
according to which whistling is a necessary attribute of any stem.
Therefore, whistling implies two things. First the production is of not the
highest quality. Second, there is no quality control or the results of the
control are not considered to be of any importance for the customer side of
the business. Does it says anything about smoking properties of the pipes?
See above, sometimes yes, sometimes no.
I had four whistling pipes. One whistles if I draw very hard. I discovered
this accidentally. This pipe is one of my best smokers. Another pipe may
whistle when I initially light it up. This one is a good smoker. I have two
Savinellis naturals that would whistle always. They were good smokers but
had tendency to smoke on the wet side. I worked with the stems and get rid
of whistle. Now they smoke noticeably better.
I have great smokers that do not whistle no matter how hard I draw. I have
very bad smokers with overall perfect engineering. Go figure.
Misha
Charles wrote
RickPiatt
buy) but yours, if I read correctly, is a Savenilli 2nd - there is a reason
for it to be a 2nd ... hence my comment. I assumed it was somehow
manufactured with an issue / error and therefore didn't lump it in the mid
grade level. Either way, if its whistling without being wet then its a
different issue than mine and my whole take on the issue is irrelevant.
But, I'd still sell off a pipe that whistled - darn thing could be
embarrasing in public!
--
Rick Piatt
Smoking Pipes since 1997
"If the pocket can afford it, PAD won't ignore it."
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Rascal
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sign of turbulence but is it significant when smoking? I wonder just how
loud, how much force is required and if it occurs when smoking. I have
one pipe that does this but it is only apparent when drawing in and it
is empty and then, with force. Incidentally, this is also an excellent
smoker. It's one of those pipes that I don't really think too much of
but continually go back to it because of comfort, taste and smoking
ease. btw, it's a Barontini Ameretto.
-Rascal
Ori
that if you can fix it you should, and I have spent over 10 hours once
adjusting the inside of an air hole by fractions of a degree to stop
whistling on a favorite pipe, I disagree on something more basic -
savinelli are not middle grade and dunhill are not high - they are all
factory pipes and so all low grade to me. the only medium and high
grade pipes in my view are artisan pipes and untill you have smoked a
pipe made by someone who has no time limit on the making of a single
pipe, be they a budding artisan or a grand master, you have not
experienced high or even medium grade pipes. I wish we all could afford
at least one or two real high grade pipes in our collections so at
least we have a common base line, but even if we could each afford one
the output of the matzholds, Barbis and Ivarsons out there wouldnt be
enough for us all. But to call a factory pipe high grade just because
it costs a lot is missing the point - Dunhill was a master of
marketing, Initiated the trend of collecting expensive pipes, but never
was and never will be a source for true high grade pipes. and if you
like italian pipes, try Cavicci. he was better than savinelli when he
started, and is geting better all the time.
Happy smoking,
Ori.
Briarroot
>>
> Now that's an interesting topic. I can see where the whistle would be a
> sign of turbulence but is it significant when smoking? I wonder just how
> loud, how much force is required and if it occurs when smoking. I have
> one pipe that does this but it is only apparent when drawing in and it
> is empty and then, with force. Incidentally, this is also an excellent
> smoker. It's one of those pipes that I don't really think too much of
> but continually go back to it because of comfort, taste and smoking
> ease. btw, it's a Barontini Ameretto.
>
I should point out that none of the whistling pipes that I've owned
actually whistled *while* I was smoking them. Only during the
vigorous 'testing' stage was a whistle ever apparent. If a pipe
began whistling when I was gently puffing away at it, I would regard
it as a serious flaw requiring an immediate fix! ;-)
Regards,
Tim Parker ... Germain's Medium Flake in a Barling billiard
--
"It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or
the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to
their own interest." - Adam Smith
ckr
whistled, very good tone and daughter determined it was a C#. Anyway
it turned out that it was caused by the slot not being open enough,
widened it out with a drill bit and re-filed and away it went. Can't
say if it effected the smokability on this as it is still unsmoked.
lgwade
bottom of the bowl. Smoking it today, as a matter of fact. And it's a
first, not a second. However, I have another of the same pipe that
doesn't whistle, and an Oscar 320KS that doesn't whistle. Go figure.
May have to take a small drill bit to the airway and see if that helps.
F. Prefect
Wield?? I have 2 Savs and both whistle. I grabbed a handful of
others that happened to be in reach and no whistle :(
When you mentioned Savinelli I was almost certain that the whistle had
something to do with a small insert that can be inserted in the tang
and tenon to 'tighten' the draw if the triangular balsa wood filters
were not being unused.
But no, when I removed the insert, the darned thing will whistle like
a freight train. My dog even came running into the room when I gave
it a few toots without the insert. Well if nothing else I learned
something today. Thanks for the very interesting post.
F. Prefect
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that they have common problem. Their stems basically suck. Nothing
disastrous but, I mean, come on, is it more difficult to make a stem than a
bowl?
Stanwells stems are nice. Unfortunately, my the only Stanwell is a very
lousy smoker despite cool engineering and all.
Misha
F. Prefect wrote
JudyAnne
a great value and yes, a great investment. The rusticated pipes were
less than 80 dollars new. They are now are in the 100 dollar range.
Same for the smooth but from 100 to over 120. Sure some of that is the
value of the dollar. I like to think of it as the value of the pipe. I
do hope to meet Cavicchi one day just to say thank you for the
craftmanship shown even in the least expensive of his work. I said this
a couple of years ago and it is becoming a reality, his mark says it
all, a small briar moon eclipsing the larger white sun...:)
JudyAnne
David
I had a whistling pipe once. It's favorite tune was *Lord Lovat's
Lament* when smoking a Scottish blend, and *The World Turned Upside
Down* when smoking a full English in it.
david N.