Most famous pipe smokers

[baeowulf]

You've forgotten the crooner himself, Bing Crosby:)
Also, I'd think Mark Twain would be a given to any famous pipe smoker list.

john_bi...@my-deja.com wrote:

> Have you ever wondered who the most famous pipe smoker is? Most people
> would say General Douglas MacArthur or maybe Jimmy Stewart. Have you
> ever wondered who smoked a pipe and tried to hide it? Those who know
> would say Pete Rose and Richard Nixon. What kind of pipe did they smoke
> and what kind of tobacco? Let's try and find out. Here's my list of the
> most famous and most interesting pipe smokers.
>
> Famous
> ------
> 1) General Douglas MacArthur
> 2) Franklin Roosevelt
> 3) Abe Lincoln
> 4) Santa Claus
> 5) Bob Hope
>
> Interesting
> -----------
> 1) Margaret Thatcher
> 2) Michael Jackson
> 3) Hollywood Hulk Hogan
> 4) Mahatma Gandhi
> 5) Elvis Presley
>
> Let me know who yours are.
>
> JB
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

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that, before each tee-shot,
his wife takes out his balls and kisses them - Oh my God, what have
I just said?'
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[me]

Knowing that Prince smokes a pipe actually takes some of the fun out of it
for me.

Jeff Folloder wrote:

> tyrone_...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > Look heres the best list i know of
> >
> > 1 Miles Davis
> > 2 Wynton Marsalis
> > 3 Herbie Hancock
> > 4 BB King
> > 5 Stanley Clarke
> > 6 Cannonball Adderly
> > 7 Mississippi John Hurt
> > 8 Ron Carter
> > 9 Snoop Dog E Dog
> > 10 Prince
>
> I just saw a picture of the business guru Peter Drucker. He looked very
> intellectual with his billiard...
>
> --
> Jeff Folloder
>
> "Well, it isn't *all* bad, now is it?"
> Frank N. Furter, The Rocky Horror Picture Show

[john_bi...@my-deja.com]

[Roger]

I think Mark Twain rate high on the list. Albert Einstein might rate
higher. The list goes on and on.
Roger

[Jeff Schwartz]

Yes, Roger, I'd say that Albert would be rated MC² :)
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[Paul Szabady]

Perhaps a harder question would the few non-pipesmokers among the
greatest artists, writers, philosophers, actors, musicians, thinkers,
scientists, and painters of the last 300 years. The only one I can think
of is Goethe.

One could truly say that the civilization and culture of the West since
the Renaissance has been the creation of smokers.

Paul Szabady

[Charles Vanevenhoven]

>
> Let me know who yours are.
>
> JB
>

Famous:
1.BB King
2.Stevie Ray Vaughan

Interesting:
1. My Grandpa

[ADMESQ]

Friends:

What about Josef Stalin? Certainly NOT an ad for the pipesmoker stereotype,
but certainly interesting and historically important.

J.M.
___
"Claret is the liquor for boys;
Port for men; but he who aspires
to be a hero must drink brandy!"

Pascal

[charles...@my-deja.com]

Ok I'll take a shot at this:

1 Sherlock Holmes
2 Richard Petty
3 Moe Howard (Three Stooges)
4 Ghengis Khan
5 Jerry Lewis
6 Winston Churchill
7 Ross Perot
8 Paul Reubens (PeeWee Herman)
9 Magic Johnson
10 Hunter Thompson (Dr. Gonzo)

Good Smoking! ____V

In article <8178sf$4h3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

john_bi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Have you ever wondered who the most famous pipe smoker is? Most people
> would say General Douglas MacArthur or maybe Jimmy Stewart. Have you
> ever wondered who smoked a pipe and tried to hide it? Those who know
> would say Pete Rose and Richard Nixon. What kind of pipe did they
smoke
> and what kind of tobacco? Let's try and find out. Here's my list of
the
> most famous and most interesting pipe smokers.
>
> Famous
> ------
> 1) General Douglas MacArthur
> 2) Franklin Roosevelt
> 3) Abe Lincoln
> 4) Santa Claus
> 5) Bob Hope
>
> Interesting
> -----------
> 1) Margaret Thatcher
> 2) Michael Jackson
> 3) Hollywood Hulk Hogan
> 4) Mahatma Gandhi
> 5) Elvis Presley
>

> Let me know who yours are.
>
> JB
>

[key...@my-deja.com]

I think we forgot C.S.LEWIS one of of the best writers of our time.
keyup1

[Jan van Huysum]

1) Jan Akerman gitarist of rock combo "Focus" from 1970 time

2) Dennis Bergkamp footballer of England Arsenal team

3) Sylvia Kristal acrtress of "Emmanuel" film entertainments

--
Een Peeckel-haringh blank, Swaer-lijvigh, dick en lanck,
Dien't hoofd is afgeslagen; Den buyck en rugg' met een
Heel proper afgesneen, De vellen af-getogen

[Red MacKenzie]

World-famous pipe smokers ? We have plenty up here in the North
Country, I reckon the most famous must be:

1) Harold Tot - firebrand Northern Ontario legislator and campaigner on
road safety issues

2) John Blackthorne - known as the barman "Ed" in the sitcom "Baby It's
Cold Outside"

3) Julienne Francoise du Toit - high profile socialite and recovering
drug abuser, inventor of the "Du Toit Two-Step to Detox", involved in
the notorious "Black & NPRA" scandal in the 1970s.

4) Arnaud McMeekin, Professor of Timber Studies at Northern Ontario
community college

Actually the last one is not so famous, he's my mentor and old teacher,
sorry but I had to include the old sucker !

God Save The Queen ! (A cigar smoker, unfortunately).

--
Red MacKenzie

"I may be from Northern Ontario but I'm not stupid"

[El Canejo]

I'll toss in Robert J. Oppenheimer and Clyde W. Tombaugh

Tom K.

john_bi...@my-deja.com wrote in article
<8178sf$4h3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...

Have you ever wondered who the most famous pipe smoker is? Most people
would say General Douglas MacArthur or maybe Jimmy Stewart. Have you
ever wondered who smoked a pipe and tried to hide it? Those who know
would say Pete Rose and Richard Nixon. What kind of pipe did they smoke
and what kind of tobacco? Let's try and find out. Here's my list of the
most famous and most interesting pipe smokers.

Famous
------
1) General Douglas MacArthur
2) Franklin Roosevelt
3) Abe Lincoln
4) Santa Claus
5) Bob Hope

Interesting
-----------
1) Margaret Thatcher
2) Michael Jackson
3) Hollywood Hulk Hogan
4) Mahatma Gandhi
5) Elvis Presley

Let me know who yours are.

JB

[Toren Smith]

J.R.R. Tolkien
Harlan Ellison

[Roger O Stein]

As people have said your category is too broad, its hard to find anyome
famous who WASN'T a brother of the briar. I have confined my list to 1970s
TV comedy programmes where leading actors are pipe-men.

1) Ted Knight (Ted Baxter in "The Mary Tyler Moore Show")
2) Hayden Rorke (Dr. Alfred Bellows in "I Dream of Jeannie")
3) Dick Sargent (Darrin Stephens in "Bewitched" (the second one !))
4) Al Milinaro (Al Delvecchio in "Happy Days")
5) Mel Stewart (Marvin Cecker in "Tabitha")

Good smoking.

Roger.

"The best short-cut is a good companion and a pipe of tobacco" - Ernest
Hemmingway

[CRodri5569]

Hugh Hefner

Charlie

[Jeff Schwartz]

Popeye, the Sailor. What a man! What a man!

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<charles...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Ok I'll take a shot at this:
>
> 1 Sherlock Holmes
> 2 Richard Petty
> 3 Moe Howard (Three Stooges)
> 4 Ghengis Khan
> 5 Jerry Lewis
> 6 Winston Churchill
> 7 Ross Perot
> 8 Paul Reubens (PeeWee Herman)
> 9 Magic Johnson
> 10 Hunter Thompson (Dr. Gonzo)
>
> Good Smoking! ____V
>
>
>
>
> In article <8178sf$4h3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> john_bi...@my-deja.com wrote:

[FPetrarch]

>3) Sylvia Kristal acrtress of "Emmanuel" film entertainments

Is that those naughty French films?

[FPetrarch]

I'll add Karl Marx (a police spy visiting his apartments in London noted pipes
lying at a table amongst the bric-a-brac) and Jean Paul Sartre (I don't think
I've ever seen a picture of him without a cigarette or pipe somewhere present)
to the list.

[Tattace3]

Vincint Van Gogh was known to smoke a bowl or two.I seem to remember a portrait
of Paul Gaugin smoking a pipe.How about Cole Younger (rode with Jesse James)
seen in his later years with a churchwarden.

Jimmy

>Subject: Re: Most famous pipe smokers
>From: crodr...@aol.com (CRodri5569)
>Date: Sun, 21 November 1999 06:01 AM EST
>Message-id: <19991121060136...@ng-bk1.aol.com>
>
>Hugh Hefner
>
>Charlie
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Joshua Rosenblatt]

A seemingly comprehensive list of famous pipe smokers can be found at.....

 Famous Pipe Smokers
 

and two new pipes smokers:

Nicolas Cage (actor)
Ving Rhames (actor)

(i've seen them both buying pipes and then smoking them)

[FRED SCHNITZIUS]

albert einstein (sp?)
walt disney
patrick mcmanus

[FRED SCHNITZIUS]

how about john jakes? doesn't he smoke a pipe?

[tyrone_...@my-deja.com]

Look heres the best list i know of

1 Miles Davis
2 Wynton Marsalis
3 Herbie Hancock
4 BB King
5 Stanley Clarke
6 Cannonball Adderly
7 Mississippi John Hurt
8 Ron Carter
9 Snoop Dog E Dog
10 Prince

tsF

[Andy Chase]

Wow, I'm surprised nobody's added J.R.R. Tolkien yet.

Also,
Donald "Duck" Dunn (The bassist in "The Blues Brothers" - now that I think
about it, that was another little nudge in my formative years that
predisposed me to pipe smoking... I mean, it doesn't get much cooler than
being a white guy with an afro, playing bass, and smoking a pipe!)

-Andy
---------------------
The "common good" of a collective - a race, a class, a state- was the claim
and justification of any tyranny ever established over men. - Ayn Rand

Andy Chase
http://p-media.com
New e-mail address: usonian(AT)ihateclowns.com
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[Joshua Rosenblatt]

hmmm, I guess I always wondered what Donald was smoking in those pipes... <g>

[Jan van Huysum]

Ja she born in Utrecht Netherlands like me (me in Rockanje). I read
magazin where she say she smoke pipe is good practis because she do a
lot of sucking in her films but I think only joke.

In article <19991121102736...@ng-fc1.aol.com>,

fpet...@aol.com (FPetrarch) wrote:
> >3) Sylvia Kristal acrtress of "Emmanuel" film entertainments
>
> Is that those naughty French films?
>

--

Een Peeckel-haringh blank, Swaer-lijvigh, dick en lanck,
Dien't hoofd is afgeslagen; Den buyck en rugg' met een
Heel proper afgesneen, De vellen af-getogen

[Jeff Folloder]

tyrone_...@my-deja.com wrote:

> Look heres the best list i know of
>
> 1 Miles Davis
> 2 Wynton Marsalis
> 3 Herbie Hancock
> 4 BB King
> 5 Stanley Clarke
> 6 Cannonball Adderly
> 7 Mississippi John Hurt
> 8 Ron Carter
> 9 Snoop Dog E Dog
> 10 Prince

I just saw a picture of the business guru Peter Drucker. He looked very
intellectual with his billiard...

--
Jeff Folloder

"Well, it isn't *all* bad, now is it?"
Frank N. Furter, The Rocky Horror Picture Show

[Joshua Rosenblatt]

Utrecht!!!!! I love Utrecht!!!!

The redlight district especially, he he. Amsterdam's is happening, but
Utrecht's is jsut wild....all those boats a rockin'. <big G>

Hmmm, as a young adolescnet, Sylvia Kristal was almost as dear to me as
Seka!!!!!

[Michael G. Duran]

Graham Chapman! and Roger Zelazny! are among my favorites.

Michael

[D. Marrold & Lori Bent]

Yes! That would be a Revelation. :-))

--
D. Marrold Bent

" A pipe at nine is always fine.
A puff at noon is none too soon.
A pipe at three the thing for me.
A pipe at seven an aroma to heaven.
A pipe at nine is half divine.
A pipe before slumber makes just the right number."

Edgeworth on #pipes

Jeff Schwartz <ja...@nospamix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Yes, Roger, I'd say that Albert would be rated MC² :)

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>

> Roger <rogerb...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:817g2c$43l6$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com...
> > I think Mark Twain rate high on the list. Albert Einstein might rate
> > higher. The list goes on and on.
> > Roger
> >
> >
>
>

[D. Marrold & Lori Bent]

I'd add Ted Sturgeon to these two as well.

--
D. Marrold Bent

" A pipe at nine is always fine.
A puff at noon is none too soon.
A pipe at three the thing for me.
A pipe at seven an aroma to heaven.
A pipe at nine is half divine.
A pipe before slumber makes just the right number."

Edgeworth on #pipes

Toren Smith <spro...@aol.comno1spam> wrote in message
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> J.R.R. Tolkien
> Harlan Ellison
>
>

[tyrone_...@my-deja.com]

Yo J-man wsup. Here's some yall left out.

Haile Sallassie
Idi Amin Dada
Sly Dunbar

Now probly the most famous I heard is budda smoke the pipe but Im not
sure what kind of tobaco they got back then.

tSF

[KDixon2711]

<< and two new pipes smokers:
Nicolas Cage (actor)
Ving Rhames (actor) >>

Could this be the beginning of the "Pipe boom";-)

Ken in Miami
Don't feed the trolls.
<A HREF="http://www.cigaraid.org/">CigarAid</A>

[Joshua Rosenblatt]

Let's get a couple promo shots of them on teh cover of People magazine
and ya never know!!!!!

If you build it they will come...... <g>

[SnedikerRR]

For you baseball fans:

Sparky Anderson
Billy Martin

Regards,

Bob

[John Hamilton McGrath]

Has anyone mentioned Basil Rathbone yet?

[John Hamilton McGrath]

... and let's not forget the name of the famous Spanish cellist... er...
ahh... er... you know, the one Cathrine DuPre studied under.
Rats! I hate when that happens - help me out here, would ya?
John

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In article <3838...@rsl2.rslnet.net>, "John Hamilton McGrath"

[cybil hamartia]

Thus spake Mark:
>The problem with putting Hunter S. Thompson on the list is that we
>really don't know what he smokes in his pipe. <g>
>-------
>Mark S.

that's okay. i'm sure mr. thompson isn't too sure himself.

X
(condamné à être libre)
sbu...@hampshire.edu
(remove the banana in my ear before replying.)

on n'est pas serieux
quand on a mon âge.

veuillez enlever le "banana in my ear" avant de me repondre.

[Jochen Thomas]

Pablo Casal ???? ;)

[Jeff Schwartz]

I forget the actors name but he played the dad on My Three Sons. I saw him
smoking a pipe in a thing he did at the '39 NY World's Fair (or was it '38)
that had to do with the emerging TV technology. Anyway, he was holding a
nice straight pipe and I remember how he kept fiddling with the charge, like
he was tamping it down, but he was using his fingers to do it. Never did
actually see him put it to his mouth though.

I saw this at the Queens Museum of Art, located in the old fair grounds,
when they had dedicated an exhibit to the '39 fair back in '96 if I remember
correctly. It was very interesting in its own right, also.

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Mark Sweany <msw...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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> The problem with putting Hunter S. Thompson on the list is that we
> really don't know what he smokes in his pipe. <g>
> -------
> Mark S.
>
>

[juha.l...@helsinki.fi]

Eric Dolphy

tyrone_...@my-deja.com wrote:
: Look heres the best list i know of

: 1 Miles Davis
: 2 Wynton Marsalis
: 3 Herbie Hancock
: 4 BB King
: 5 Stanley Clarke
: 6 Cannonball Adderly
: 7 Mississippi John Hurt
: 8 Ron Carter
: 9 Snoop Dog E Dog
: 10 Prince

: tsF

: Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
: Before you buy.

[Lance Sang]

Jeff,
I believe it was Fred MacMurray you're thinking of.

Lance

Jeff Schwartz <ja...@nospamix.netcom.com> wrote in message

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[Terry McGinty]

Lance,

I think your right about Fred McMurray.

What about the British actor James Mason. He always seems to get
overlooked on these lists. One of Britain's top film stars in the
forties, he was known to always have a pipe and tobacco in his
costumes. For a movie about the decline of British class system see
Mason's last, "The Shooting Party". I believe he smoked a pipe in
that movie and so did his gamekeeper. Mason Died in 84 of a heart
attack at his home in Switzerland, the same year this movie was made.

A couple of his most memorable for me were "Odd Man Out" and
"Lollita".

Terry

Lance Sang wrote in message

[John Hamilton McGrath]

WHEEE... thanks.
Strange, this memory thing has been happening a lot lately. Does anyone
think it might be the years of burly?

John

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In article <38386823...@netcologne.de>, Jochen Thomas

[John Hamilton McGrath]

Fred MacMurry? You Know, the flubber guy.

John

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In article <819pho$m74$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Schwartz"
<ja...@nospamix.netcom.com> wrote:

> I forget the actors name but he played the dad on My Three Sons. I saw him
> smoking a pipe in a thing he did at the '39 NY World's Fair (or was it '38)

<snip>

[Joshua Rosenblatt]

ROFL.....

Rhapsody in Blue huh?? :)

oh yeah, I like the Banana Bar m'self.

The obvious question would be... what were ya smoking in that corn cob
eh???

:)

tyrone_...@my-deja.com wrote:

> Yo J-man wsup. I and the boys did a gig in Amsterdam a couple years
> back. Man there be tons of hojies like they call em over in the red
> light area. We playin at this place the Bananabar or somethin and these
> hojies is all over us. (we just call em ho's cause it reminds of back
> home an it kind of rimes with the native lingo but they don't seem to
> notice anyways.)
>
> So one night I think its the third set right in the middle Im wailin my
> solo in Rapsody in blue an huffin of the corncob real good. Got a real
> good head of steam up and these 3 hojies come right up on the stage and
> one of em grab the corncob right out my mouth and I nearly stop playin
> but the horn just keep goin flat out so I couldnt no way. This here
> hojie she take the pipe and at first she start smokin it but when she
> pass it to her freind she start doing all kinds of crazy shit. Dam that
> corncob end up in places it never been before those dam hos keep passin
> it aroun and doin weird shit and I keep wailin cant stop. Man I'll
> never forget that one.
>
> Guess I kind of went off a the subject, but in my book it ok because at
> least she smoke it for a little and she sure look famous to me.
>
> tSF
>
> In article <38383C2A...@pacbell.net>,

[Terry McGinty]

Jimmy,

Speaking of Painters, everyone is familiar with Norman Rockwell as a
pipe smoker and his many covers for Saturday Evening Post. How many
remember N. C. Wyeth? N.C. was a pipe smoker, great painter and the
father of several artists of note. He was the Illustrator of many
great books like Treasure Island and Robinson Crusoe. He also painted
many murals in institutions like the Boston Public Library. A talent
unsurpassed in the history of American art. His legacy extends to
this day in the accomplishments of his noted family. Andrew Wyeth his
famous son, painter of the Helga series, and Henrietta his daughter,
an accomplished painter in her own right. Henrietta was married to
the famous Southwestern painter Peter Hurd. Andrew's son Jamie
painted the most fantastic portrait of John Kennedy I've ever seen.

Smoking 20 year old Sullivan ox mixture in a Wally Frank second,
Terry

Tattace3 wrote in message
>Vincint Van Gogh was known to smoke a bowl or two.I seem to remember
a portrait
>of Paul Gaugin smoking a pipe.<snip> Jimmy

[FRED SCHNITZIUS]

>Dam that corncob end up in places it
> never been before those dam hos keep
> passin it aroun and doin weird shit and I
> keep wailin cant stop. Man I'll never
> forget that one.

hope you will never smoke it again either......

[FRED SCHNITZIUS]

>Popeye, the Sailor. What a man! What a
> man!

awww come on jeff......surely we ain't stooping to cartoon characters
now...:-)

[Paul Szabady]

Santa Claus
Uncle Sam
Sir Walter Raleigh
Johann Sebastian Bach
Immanuel Kant
Pablo Picasso
Pablo Casals
Salvador Dali
Vincent Van Gogh
Johannes Brahms
Igor Stravinsky
Anton Bruckner
Richard Wagner
Paul Cezanne
Charles Baudelaire
Arthur Rimbaud
Paul Verlaine
J K Huysmanns
Robert Graves
Sir Isaac Newton
Leonard Bernstein
Ernest Hemingway
D. T. Suzuki
Rene Descartes
Erik Satie
Jean-Paul Sartre
Albert Camus
Arthur Conan Doyle
Carl J Jung
Mircea Eliade
Clark Gable
Walter Cronkite
Arthur Schopenhauer
Robert Benchley
Corot
Mark Twain
Herman Melville
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Carlyle
William Wordsworth
Samuel Taylor Coleridge
Thomas deQuincey
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Hegel
Jean Jacques Rousseau
Lord Byron
Bertrand Russell
C S Lewis
J R R Tolkien
Muddy Waters
Bo Diddley
John Lee Hooker
B B King
Ron Carter
Stanley Clarke
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Rene Magritte
Basil Rathbone
Nigel Bruce
William Conrad
Sylvester Stallone
Vladimir Horowitz
Bruno Walter
Black Elk
Sitting Bull
Geronimo
William Makepeace Thackery
Carl Sandburg
Thomas Hart Benton
Norman Rockwell
Lord Alfred Tennyson
Emile Zola
Honore de Balzac
Sir Isaac Bacon
Charles Lamb
Sinclair Lewis
Rudyard Kipling
Somerset Maugham
Sir James M. Barrie
Davey Crockett
Bennett Cerf
Hugh Hefner
among others.....

Paul Szabady

[tyrone_...@my-deja.com]

Yo J-man wsup. I and the boys did a gig in Amsterdam a couple years
back. Man there be tons of hojies like they call em over in the red
light area. We playin at this place the Bananabar or somethin and these
hojies is all over us. (we just call em ho's cause it reminds of back
home an it kind of rimes with the native lingo but they don't seem to
notice anyways.)

So one night I think its the third set right in the middle Im wailin my
solo in Rapsody in blue an huffin of the corncob real good. Got a real
good head of steam up and these 3 hojies come right up on the stage and
one of em grab the corncob right out my mouth and I nearly stop playin
but the horn just keep goin flat out so I couldnt no way. This here
hojie she take the pipe and at first she start smokin it but when she

pass it to her freind she start doing all kinds of crazy shit. Dam that

corncob end up in places it never been before those dam hos keep passin
it aroun and doin weird shit and I keep wailin cant stop. Man I'll
never forget that one.

Guess I kind of went off a the subject, but in my book it ok because at

[MWR]

Again?

MWR

ADMESQ wrote in message <19991120211432...@ng-bk1.aol.com>...
>Friends:
>
>What about Josef Stalin? Certainly NOT an ad for the pipesmoker
stereotype,
>but certainly interesting and historically important.
>
>
>J.M.
>___
>"Claret is the liquor for boys;
>Port for men; but he who aspires
>to be a hero must drink brandy!"
>
>Pascal

[Cgeedee]

Hmmm...

Spotted in old movies recently,

Leslie Howard
Edward G Robinson
Robert Young

How could we forget Jerry Lee Lewis and the manner in which he torches his
bowls...


chas.

[EDBIRD]

Some mor, an eclectic mixture.

Walter Cronkite (he talks about it in his autobiography)
Bertrand Russell
William Conrad (the actor)

ed

[cybil hamartia]

Thus spake Paul Szabady:
<snip>
>Arthur Rimbaud

rimbaud? really? was this while he was writing poetry? i just can't
picture a crazy teenaged poet bopping around paris with a billiard
hanging out of his mouth. of course, i also can't imagine a teenager
writing something as brilliant (imo) as "le bateau ivre," so i could
be wrong ...

<snip>

>Sir Isaac Bacon

at the risk of revealing my ignorance, who is this? my first guess
would be an amalgam of francis bacon and isaac newton ...

peace,

X
(condamné à être libre)
sbu...@hampshire.edu
(remove the banana in my ear before replying.)

Innocence is a splended thing, only it has the
misfortune not to keep very well and to be
easily misled.

[Bruce Harris]

Anwar Sadat always had a pipe.
William Faulkner as well.

john_bi...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Have you ever wondered who the most famous pipe smoker is? Most people
> would say General Douglas MacArthur or maybe Jimmy Stewart. Have you
> ever wondered who smoked a pipe and tried to hide it? Those who know
> would say Pete Rose and Richard Nixon. What kind of pipe did they smoke
> and what kind of tobacco? Let's try and find out. Here's my list of the
> most famous and most interesting pipe smokers.
>
> Famous
> ------
> 1) General Douglas MacArthur
> 2) Franklin Roosevelt
> 3) Abe Lincoln
> 4) Santa Claus
> 5) Bob Hope
>
> Interesting
> -----------
> 1) Margaret Thatcher
> 2) Michael Jackson
> 3) Hollywood Hulk Hogan
> 4) Mahatma Gandhi
> 5) Elvis Presley
>
> Let me know who yours are.
>
> JB

[FRED SCHNITZIUS]

>Knowing that Prince smokes a pipe
> actually takes some of the fun out of it
> for me.

HAHAHA....you got THAT right!!! Kinda like seein your mother-in-law in
the chorus line........

[Paul Szabady]

cybil hamartia wrote:
>
> Thus spake Paul Szabady:
> <snip>
> >Arthur Rimbaud
>
> rimbaud? really? was this while he was writing poetry? i just can't
> picture a crazy teenaged poet bopping around paris with a billiard
> hanging out of his mouth. of course, i also can't imagine a teenager
> writing something as brilliant (imo) as "le bateau ivre," so i could
> be wrong ...

Yes. And during his poetry writing days: a couple of his poems refer to
pipes directly. By the way, he smoked a clay pipe.

>
> <snip>
>
> >Sir Isaac Bacon
>
> at the risk of revealing my ignorance, who is this? my first guess
> would be an amalgam of francis bacon and isaac newton ...

Sir Isaac Bacon is the result of One AM brain fade: Francis Bacon it
is..

Paul Szabady

[Red MacKenzie]

>
> >Sir Isaac Bacon
>
> at the risk of revealing my ignorance, who is this? my first guess
> would be an amalgam of francis bacon and isaac newton ...
>

Oddly enough I knew a logger called Francis Newton, got some heavy duty
ragging due to his cissy first name. Incidentally, glad to see more
chicks posting here, it gets pretty lonely up here in the frozen North.
Also as this thread has shown there are some fine role model gals who
draw on the briar (Margaret Thatcher and Sylvia Kristel to name but two
that I was not previously aware of).

God Save The Queen !

--
Red MacKenzie

"I may be from Northern Ontario but I'm not stupid"

[robert]

Don't forget 'The Man Who Won the War'.

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Barracks/9467/reagan.gif

Robert

[Jason LaLonde]

A few of my favorites:

Marcel Moyse
Stephane Mallarme
William Faulkner
Bertrand Russell
Vincent Van Gogh
Clark Gable

http://www.fujipub.com/ooops/famous.html

[Michael Rich]

Coupla notes:
1. Somebody already mentioned Norman Rockwell. In his self portrait (in
which he paints himself painting himself by looking in the mirror, so you
see him three times), I think he's smoking a pipe. In "Country Newspaper,"
he includes himself as a young artist walking into the newspaper shop,
sketches in hand and pipe in mouth.

2. Nobody's mentioned Sequoyah, the man who developed the written form of
the Cherokee language. The only rendering I've seen of him has him smoking
what looks to be a clay pipe.

3. Romulo Betancourt, two-time president of Venezuela, was one of that
nation's primary 20th-century political figures. In the early 1960s, he was
Kennedy's primary ally in the stand against Cuba. There are very few
pictures of R.B. without his ever-present pipe. In fact, the pipe became a
political symbol of sorts in photos and political cartoons. I've always
found this strange, since Latin Americans aren't big pipe smokers, in
general. In my time in Venezuela (I'm an academic with a Venezuelan
specialty), I've rarely seen any pipe smokers. The tobacco there, I'm told,
is awful. The only picture I've seen of him without a pipe in sight was when
Dominican dictator Trujillo's assassins failed in a bombing attempt that
burned, but didn't kill President Betancourt. In a famous television
address, Betancourt spoke to the nation with both hands wrapped in bandages
as thick as boxing gloves. How, I wonder, did he smoke that famous pipe
during that trying time?

m.g.rich

[Mingkahuna]

>1. Somebody already mentioned Norman Rockwell

Another Norman Rockwell is a sketch/cartoon that he did showing himself at
various points throughout his life (boyhood to death) sitting at his easle
painting with a pipe firmly in mouth. The last panel shows his gravesite with
his tombstone. Sprouting up like a periscope out of the mounded ground of the
gravesite is his pipe. A very funny piece.

Buzz

[Fernand Flament]

Günter Grass (Nobel Prize Literature 1999).

FF

[H. R. Tracy]

John Hamilton McGrath wrote in message <3838...@rsl2.rslnet.net>...

>... and let's not forget the name of the famous Spanish cellist... er...
>ahh... er... you know, the one Cathrine DuPre studied under.
>Rats! I hate when that happens - help me out here, would ya?
>John

Pablo Casals, the teacher who loved Bach.
Jacqueline du Pré, the tragic and brilliant soloist.
http://www.mindspring.com/~mmuelle/dupre/

[FRED SCHNITZIUS]

Patrick F. McManus......hands down

[Tim Hutchison]

Some of my favorites; Arnold Schwarzenagger, Norman Rockwell, Bing
Crosby, C.S. Lewis, and J.R.R. Tolkein.

Smoke Well,
Tim

[Robert Michael Alexander / T.D.C.]

Does your name denote something about the Great Flood?

What type of research do you engage?

>On Thu, 25 Nov 99 17:06:03 GMT, even....@ub.ntnu.no (Even Flood) wrote:

>>In article <81j1bt$baj$1...@vnetnews.value.net>,
>> "Gregory Pease" <sky...@value.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In a slightly more macabre vein, who are the most INFAMOUS pipe smokers you
>>>know of?
>>>
>>In the Watergate days when I started smoking, Nixon's minister
>>of justice, John Mitchell was an embarrasement to all pipe
>>smokers. A journalist said of him, "You are not intelligent,
>>just becuse you smoke a pipe and grunt a lot."
>>
>>Even
>>
>>Even Flood, Senior Research Librarian
>>RBT/Norwegian DIANE Center,
>>University Library of Trondheim,
>>N 7491 Trondheim, Norway.
>>Phone: +47 73 59 51 62, Fax +47 73 59 60 97
>>even....@ub.ntnu.no
>><*>
>>"Come, and take choice of all my library, and so beguile thy sorrow."
>> (Shakespeare)

**************
Everyone wants to live at the expense of the State. They forget that the State
lives at the expense of everyone. - Frederic Bastiat
[Empty]

[john_bi...@my-deja.com]

L. Ron Hubbarb has a number of interesting properties. He smoked a
pipe. He was a writer and a poet. He was a very religious man. He was
constantly surrounded by women. He spent 2 years in Thunder Bay Ontario
as a young man. So you see, in a way L. Ron brings us all together in a
cosmic sort of way.

Long live the pipe. May your auditing be Clear.

[Stephen Farrow]

Jan van Huysum wrote:
>
> 1) Jan Akerman gitarist of rock combo "Focus" from 1970 time
>
> 2) Dennis Bergkamp footballer of England Arsenal team
>
>
Dennis Bergkamp? Really? I didn't know that!

From the theatre - Harold Prince and Trevor Nunn were both pipe smokers
at one time (I'm not sure whether or not either or both of them quit).

Stephen
--

What goes up must come down - but don't expect it to come down where you
can find it.
- Murphy's law applied to Newton's.

[John Sandin]

In article <8178sf$4h3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

john_bi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Have you ever wondered who the most famous pipe smoker is? Most people
> would say General Douglas MacArthur or maybe Jimmy Stewart. Have you
> ever wondered who smoked a pipe and tried to hide it? Those who know
> would say Pete Rose and Richard Nixon. What kind of pipe did they smoke
> and what kind of tobacco? Let's try and find out. Here's my list of the
> most famous and most interesting pipe smokers.
>
> Famous
> ------
> 1) General Douglas MacArthur
> 2) Franklin Roosevelt
> 3) Abe Lincoln
> 4) Santa Claus
> 5) Bob Hope

What's wrong with this picture? Abe Lincoln was most definitely a non-smoker.

Nobody's perfect.

--
--John Sandin
Note: claim...@my-dejanews.com is BOGUS.
To reply by e-mail, remove the "J" in the address below:
Joy...@gvi.net

[Tattace3]

President Grant was a cigar smoker for sure. Anyone know if he was a pipeman as
well?

Jimmy

>Subject: Re: Most famous pipe smokers
>From: John Sandin claim...@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, 23 November 1999 04:21 PM EST
>Message-id: <81f0gp$h2g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>

[Joshua Rosenblatt]

Nicolas Cage and Ving Rhames have both just started smoking this year...

char...@my-deja.com wrote:

> In article <8178sf$4h3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> john_bi...@my-deja.com wrote:

> > Interesting
> > -----------
> > 1) Margaret Thatcher
> > 2) Michael Jackson
> > 3) Hollywood Hulk Hogan
> > 4) Mahatma Gandhi
> > 5) Elvis Presley
> >

> Michael Jackson?? *That* Michael Jackson, or the beer expert Michael
> J? Margaret and Hulk Hogan?
>
> I thought I'd already heard of a lot of famous pipe smokers, but with
> Nicholas Cage and Ving Rhames among others mentioned in other messages
> this has been an enlightening thread
>
> Chuck R

[char...@my-deja.com]

[robert]

Who is Ving Rhames?
Robert

Joshua Rosenblatt <jos...@pacbell.net> wrote in article
<383B3258...@pacbell.net>...

[Bill Sheehan]

Ving Rhames is an actor. He's done quite a lot, but my favorite is his
portrayal of Marcellus in "Pulp Fiction."

-- Bill

[SHO2n]

>2. Nobody's mentioned Sequoyah, the man who developed the written form of
>the Cherokee language. The only rendering I've seen of him has him smoking
>what looks to be a clay pipe.
>

The standard portrait of Sequoyah shows him holding up a slate or pad with the
alphabet he developed. In his mouth is long pipe. This image was used on the
label of B.E. Gravely's company tobacco brands. these old tins are worth
upwards of $25.
MP

[charles...@my-deja.com]

I read somewhere that Bill Walton smoked a pipe for the first 30
seconds of a UCLA game until the opposing coach called time out and
spoke to the ref about it. Has anyone else heard this?

Also, apprently Charles Manson now smokes a pipe. It's enough to make
me want to quit.

In article <81fa2u$odm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

[Gregory Pease]

In article <81ieed$uuj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> , charles...@my-deja.com
wrote:

> I read somewhere that Bill Walton smoked a pipe for the first 30
> seconds of a UCLA game until the opposing coach called time out and
> spoke to the ref about it. Has anyone else heard this?
>
> Also, apprently Charles Manson now smokes a pipe. It's enough to make
> me want to quit.

Hmm. "Helter Skelter" brand pipe tobacco. It's not an English, it's not an
aromatic. You'll never figure out if you like it or not, but you'll smoke it
incessantly in an attempt to find out. After a few isolated homicidal
episodes, the anti's will fund a study *proving* that pipe smoking is
damaging to other people's health.

"Well, I may be a smoker but I ain't no dancer."

On the other hand, perhaps if Manson had been a pipe smoker in his youth,
his life might have turned out differently.

In a slightly more macabre vein, who are the most INFAMOUS pipe smokers you
know of?

--
Gregory Pease
Friedman & Pease
http://www.friedman-pease.com

[Even Flood]

In article <81j1bt$baj$1...@vnetnews.value.net>,
"Gregory Pease" <sky...@value.net> wrote:

>In a slightly more macabre vein, who are the most INFAMOUS pipe smokers you
>know of?
>

[ADMESQ]

Wait a minute???? Popeye isn't REAL????? Well, blow me down!

J.M.
___
"Claret is the liquor for boys;
Port for men; but he who aspires
to be a hero must drink brandy!"

Pascal

[Jeff Schwartz]

Well, shiver me timbers ha ha ha ha ha !
--
Jeff Schwartz
Remove nospam to reply
--

ADMESQ <adm...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991125064624...@ng-fo1.aol.com...

[Dan Paden]

Mr. Pease wrote:

"In a slightly more macabre vein, who are the most INFAMOUS pipe smokers
you know of?"

Hands down, Stalin. What a murderous, evil man.

Dan the Man "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life
was cast into the lake of fire."

[charles...@my-deja.com]

I was hoping someone would bring this up. Here is my list of the most
INFAMOUS pipe smokers.

1 Mossama Bin Lauden
2 Jimmy Swaggert
3 George Stephanopolous
4 Muammar Qadaffi
5 Ronald Reagan
6 Mao Tse Tung
7 Pol Pot
8 Howard Cossell
9 Charlie Chaplin
10 Prince Charles

In article <19226-38...@storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,

[robert]

charles...@my-deja.com wrote in article
<81jv93$vq5$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...

> I was hoping someone would bring this up. Here is my list of the most
> INFAMOUS pipe smokers.
>
> 1 Mossama Bin Lauden
> 2 Jimmy Swaggert
> 3 George Stephanopolous
> 4 Muammar Qadaffi
> 5 Ronald Reagan
> 6 Mao Tse Tung
> 7 Pol Pot
> 8 Howard Cossell
> 9 Charlie Chaplin
> 10 Prince Charles

Care to elaborate on why they made your list?
Robert

[FPetrarch]

Mr. Pease wrote: >In a slightly more macabre vein, who are the most INFAMOUS
pipe smokers you
>know of?

That bad boy Humbert Humbert from that great Nabokov novel _Lolita_, witness:
"Sunday. Heat ripple still with us; a most favonian week. This time I took up
a strategic postion, with obese newspaper and new pipe, in the piazza rocker
before L. arrived. To my intense disappointment she came with her mother, both
in two-piece bathing suits, black, as new as my pipe."

[B. Rhodes]

While all well known, there are a few on your list whom I wouldn't exactly
consider to be infamous:)

charles...@my-deja.com wrote:

> I was hoping someone would bring this up. Here is my list of the most
> INFAMOUS pipe smokers.
>
> 1 Mossama Bin Lauden
> 2 Jimmy Swaggert
> 3 George Stephanopolous
> 4 Muammar Qadaffi
> 5 Ronald Reagan
> 6 Mao Tse Tung
> 7 Pol Pot
> 8 Howard Cossell
> 9 Charlie Chaplin
> 10 Prince Charles
>

> In article <19226-38...@storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> danp...@webtv.net (Dan Paden) wrote:

> > Mr. Pease wrote:
> >
> > "In a slightly more macabre vein, who are the most INFAMOUS pipe
> smokers
> > you know of?"
> >

> > Hands down, Stalin. What a murderous, evil man.
> >
> > Dan the Man "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life
> > was cast into the lake of fire."
> >
> >
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

--
B. Rhodes Sr.

'One of the reasons Arnie (Arnold Palmer) is playing so well is
that, before each tee-shot,
his wife takes out his balls and kisses them - Oh my God, what have
I just said?'
(USTV commentator)

[Stephen Dunne]

I'll buy most of these people as embodiments of some sort of evil (even if
it does seem a little hard on that poor loser Charles Windsor) . . . but
what did Charlie Chaplin ever do to deserve such ignominy??

cheers

stephen dunne

>
>
> charles...@my-deja.com wrote in article
> <81jv93$vq5$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...

[Jan van Huysum]

1) Archduke Franz Ferdinand (Started frist german war)
2) Hittler (Secon german war - many photes of him with pipe)
3) Eva Brown (Hittlers misstressess)
4) John Wayne (Support Vietnam wars)
5) Frans Koch (Belgian dentist "driller killer" in newspapers)
6) Count Moriartie (Sherlok Homes ememy)
7) Ben Jonson (Canada sprinter and druggist)
8) Phillip Marlowe (England writer of "Jew of Malta" play)
9) Roger O'Pelham
10) My ex-wife Brigitte Van Huysum

--
Een Peeckel-haringh blank, Swaer-lijvigh, dick en lanck,
Dien't hoofd is afgeslagen; Den buyck en rugg' met een
Heel proper afgesneen, De vellen af-getogen

[John Hamilton McGrath]

May we add Mammy Yokum and Moonbeam McSwine.
Oh, by the way, IMO - Moonbeam McSwine blows away Pamela Anderson (kinda
fleshy lookin') and Madonna (I'd prefer not to characterize her).
Oh yeah - Elizabeth Zeta-Jones reminds me of Ms. McSwine. ;<{)

John

[Anthony J. Bryant]

Jan van Huysum wrote:

> 1) Archduke Franz Ferdinand (Started frist german war)

He was assassinated by a Serb terrorist. I'd hardly blame HIM for
starting it. Blame the terrorist.

Tony

[ADMESQ]

Jan wrote:

>1) Archduke Franz Ferdinand (Started frist german war)

>2) Hittler (Secon german war - many photes of him with pipe)
>3) Eva Brown (Hittlers misstressess)

Well, Archduke Franz didn't START World War One, but his assassination did.
Gavrilo Princip (of Bosnia and backed by Serbia) was the assassin.

Gavrilo Princip is my vote for most influential (infamous) 20th century person.

The assassination caused WW 1 which caused the Versailles Treaty, which caused
the Depression, which caused WW 2, which caused the Atomic Bomb, which caused
the Cold War, which caused the Vietnam War, which caused the various 1960s and
1970s social upheavals and assassinations (worldwide), which ultimately
groundswelled into the fall of the Berlin Wall and the fragmenting of the USSR
and Yugoslavia, which caused the slaughters in Bosnia and Serbia (again).

Anybody know if Gavrilo Princip smoked a pipe?

As for A.H. & Mistress: Hitler would have probably peddled his bad artwork in
anonymity had Princip not pulled that trigger.

I won't believe Hitler smoked pipes until I see a picture of it. I'll guess the
pipe was an affectation.

That hideous man was a bit squeamish and banned smoking in his vicinity as
unhealthy.

Of course, being in Hitler's vicinity was generally unhealthy. Being on the
same continent with him was definitely more than enough for a Surgeon General's
warning:
Smoke all you want, but Hitler can adversely affect your health!

[Terry McGinty]

JM

I'm glad you came forth with this because I've never seen a picture or
hitler with a pipe and his ugly face was captured on film often. It
has always been common knowledge that he was against smoking, so just
because someone says he was a pipe smoker doesn't make it so. Two of
the most evil men that ever lived were hitler and stalin. I know we
have to accept that stalin was a pipe smoker, but I am very reluctant
to believe hitler was one without proof.

Terry

ADMESQ wrote in message
<19991126180632...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...

[Joshua Rosenblatt]

My opinion is that if Princip had not assasinated Ferdinand, and thus 'sparked'
WWI, then some other event would have surely started it. The power structure of
europe at the time made it inevitable.... it jsut so happened that it was a
Serbian Nationalist fighting for a very regional cause who sparked the "great
war'.

The European Powers' Imperialism resulted in the land grabs across the globe, this
colonial 'race' came to a head with both the end of 'exploration' and the rise of
industrialization. The world (and it's available colonies) was suddenly a finite
entitiy and the need for natural resources drove the colonial powers to compete
with each other for the limited number of colonies. Add the need for strategic
regions (for trade etc) such as the Levante in the Middle East etc, and the Major
Powers were destined to conflict.

Thus the rise of the Alliances which bound certain powers to others in the event
of 'conflict' which many believe was intended to be a deterrent to conflict -such
as the Nuclear Deterrent of the Cold War. Instead, once the wire inevitably
snapped, the allies of both sides were drawn into the regional conflict and sought
to further their 'land grab' globally at the expense the enemy's Empire.

The need for more colonies, more resources and better trade and strategic
geographics would have brought the Allies and the Triple Entente to arms sooner or
later without a Serbian Nationalist sparking the whole affair. Since this is not
a world of "what ifs", I agree that princip was perhaps one of (if not THE) most
influential people of the century... with the acknowledgement that it had more to
do with the politics surrounding him than his actions.

I'll shut up now....

[Anthony J. Bryant]

ADMESQ wrote:

> Gavrilo Princip is my vote for most influential (infamous) 20th century person.
>
> The assassination caused WW 1 which caused the Versailles Treaty, which caused
> the Depression, which caused WW 2, which caused the Atomic Bomb, which caused
> the Cold War, which caused the Vietnam War, which caused the various 1960s and
> 1970s social upheavals and assassinations (worldwide), which ultimately
> groundswelled into the fall of the Berlin Wall and the fragmenting of the USSR
> and Yugoslavia, which caused the slaughters in Bosnia and Serbia (again).

Very logical!

>
>
> Anybody know if Gavrilo Princip smoked a pipe?

Like all good radicals, he probably smoked smelly, unfiltered cigarettes. But I
wouldn't be surprised...

Tony

[ADMESQ]

Joshua Rosenblatt wrote:

>I agree that princip was perhaps one of (if not THE) most
>influential people of the century... with the acknowledgement that it had
>more to
>do with the politics surrounding him than his actions.

I guess that was what I meant to say in a nutshell. Princip is "influential" in
my book because he was one of history's great catalysts. As a person with an
agenda he was a nobody.

I can think of other 20th century figures who were far more influential by
personal example: Gandhi, Schweitzer, Thurgood Marshall, Jimmy Carter, and
John Lennon spring to mind.

I believe Schweitzer smoked a pipe. Of course, Lennon did too...what he smoked
in it made him write "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds." Not too shabby!

EA Carey's "Europa" in a brylon Yello-Bole.

[Joshua Rosenblatt]

LOL..... yes, Lennon was almost as high when he wrote "Lucy" as Ringo was when he wrote "Yellow Submarine"!!  he he he

This reminds me of my first boss when I first entered the music industry back in 1991.  I was an artist manager's assistant.  We were all sitting around the dinner table at a very successful record producer's table (who was currently working with one of our artists) when he asked my boss who he thought the 5 most influential rockmusicians of all time are.

My  boss cooly responds:
1) Elvis
2) Michael Jackson
3) George Michael
4) Prince
5) Madonna

The producer and I stared at him in disbelief... was he serious??  He said that their effect has been tremendous on the music industry, from record company budgeting to radio station programming, and that young people have been so affected that bands will be influenced by them for decades.  I tried very hard not to laugh..... all he saw was dollar signs...

They look at me for my responses...

1) Bob Dylan
2) John Lennon (and the 'other three')
3) Jimi Hendrix
4) Frank Zappa
5) Bob Marley

I was fired shortly there after..... he he he

[Fachie 57]

>Of course, Lennon did too...what he smoked
>in it made him write "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds." Not too shabby!

Lennon's inspiration for that song was a bit of childhood artwork by his son
Julian which depicted, you guessed it, a schoolmate named Lucy in the sky with
diamonds. Nothing more, nothing less by Lennon's own admission. The imagery
was great, though but had nothing to do with or was the result of mind altering
substances. Again, according to Lennon's discussion of the song many years
after it was written.

[Joshua Rosenblatt]

If it's got a killer view of the mountains then I'm interested.... I just love
Snowboarding!!!!

>
>
> And by the way, if you believe that, I have some land down in Florida
> I'd like to sell you.
> -------
> Mark S.