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How come some stems don't oxidize?

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Mitch@_._

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Jul 1, 2009, 11:20:33 PM7/1/09
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I realized that the very few pipes I bought new have stems that are
still pristine, even after 4-5 years. And I haven't done any
maintenance.

But the estate pipes that I bought looked immaculate when I bought
them, soon became heavily green.

Joe

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Jul 1, 2009, 11:48:34 PM7/1/09
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Different materials. In general, plastics (lucite, acrylic, etc) will
not oxidize, while rubbers (vulcanite) will. Of course, even then,
the timeframe will vary based on the specific material and how it was
prepared...

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Straightgrain

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Jul 1, 2009, 11:49:47 PM7/1/09
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Are both made of the same material? Lucite stays pretty much oxidation
free while vulvanite oxidizes fairly quickly.

Frank

Nick

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Jul 2, 2009, 9:52:10 AM7/2/09
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It depends on the sulpher content of the vulcanite i think. Cheaper
vulcanite has higher levels of sulpher in it, and will oxidize more
quickly. At least that's been my understanding of it.

Mike Hagley

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Jul 3, 2009, 5:19:39 AM7/3/09
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Actually I believe that higher quality stems have a higher sulphur content.
Savinelli and Charatan are prime examples. Look at inexpensive pipes and
you will find that their stems are not oxidized as badly.

Just my opinion.

Mike
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Jim

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Jul 3, 2009, 9:06:22 AM7/3/09
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I'm of the same op[inion. I have of couple of dunhills that look
atrocious. I gave up on them because of this

Jim

Nick

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Jul 3, 2009, 9:35:25 AM7/3/09
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Interesting!

On Jul 3, 9:06 am, Jim <j...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I'm of the same op[inion. I have of couple of dunhills that look
> atrocious.  I gave up on them because of this
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Mike Hagley wrote:
> > Actually I believe that higher quality stems have a higher sulphur
> > content. Savinelli and Charatan are prime examples.  Look at inexpensive
> > pipes and you will find that their stems are not oxidized as badly.
>
> > Just my opinion.
>
> > Mike

> > "Nick" <nick.m.c.john...@gmail.com> wrote in message


> >news:27238c8e-e5b3-4986...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> >> It depends on the sulpher content of the vulcanite i think.  Cheaper
> >> vulcanite has higher levels of sulpher in it, and will oxidize more

> >> quickly.  At least that's been my understanding of it.- Hide quoted text -
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shakenbake

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Jul 3, 2009, 11:04:29 AM7/3/09
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On Jul 3, 5:19 am, "Mike Hagley" <hag...@charter.net> wrote:
> Actually I believe that higher quality stems have a higher sulphur content.
> Savinelli and Charatan are prime examples.  Look at inexpensive pipes and
> you will find that their stems are not oxidized as badly.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> Mike"Nick" <nick.m.c.john...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:27238c8e-e5b3-4986...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
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> > It depends on the sulpher content of the vulcanite i think.  Cheaper
> > vulcanite has higher levels of sulpher in it, and will oxidize more
> > quickly.  At least that's been my understanding of it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

But, the better stems also are vulcanised to a greater extent,
hopefully making them more stable.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ie50302a006#

Jim Beard

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Jul 3, 2009, 11:44:06 PM7/3/09
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Mitch@_._ wrote:
> I realized that the very few pipes I bought new have stems that are
> still pristine, even after 4-5 years. And I haven't done any
> maintenance.

These are acrylic or lucite, which does not oxidize.

> But the estate pipes that I bought looked immaculate when I bought
> them, soon became heavily green.

Vulcanite oxidizes and changes color with use. Add to this, when
vulcanite is left untouched for long periods of time (months,
maybe years) sulphur in the material that imparts softness
migrates to the surface, but usually does not oxidize
immediately. Allow it a few minutes contact with sliva, though,
and it will oxidize and discolor immediately.

Depending on the severity of oxidation, you may need to buff
using Tripoli compound, or soak the mouthpiece in bleach for a
while (cover logos and lettering with vaseline or something or it
will be dissolved by the bleach), or use fine sandpaper to remove
the oxidized material. Follow-up by buffing with Carnauba wax or
polishing with Briar Pipe Wipe, Renaissance Wax/Halcyon II, or
Johnson's Favor is recommended.

Cheers!

jim b.

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