Need info on Savory Pipes

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Mark Cicero

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Nov 18, 2002, 10:29:37 AM11/18/02
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I have a blasted Savory Prince with a silver band that I know absolutely
nothing about. It is marked Made in England, Argyll 97.

If anyone one knows about this company, like who they are related to,
are they still in business (if not when did they go out of business) are
their pipes collectable, valuable, shit....ae they the same company that
use to market "Baby's Bottom" before Dunhill took it over?....etc....

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanx,
Mark Cicero
Nashville, TN

Sykes Wilford

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Nov 18, 2002, 12:42:27 PM11/18/02
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> I have a blasted Savory Prince with a silver band that I know absolutely
> nothing about. It is marked Made in England, Argyll 97.
> If anyone one knows about this company, like who they are related to,
> are they still in business (if not when did they go out of business) are
> their pipes collectable, valuable, shit....ae they the same company that
> use to market "Baby's Bottom" before Dunhill took it over?....etc....

They were made as Dunhill seconds for quite a while, of that much I'm pretty
sure. I have a handful of them; none are superb smokers and most have fills
(sometimes pretty egregious fills). The four or so I have (all from the 70s
and perhaps early 80s) are generally pretty worthless. (BTW, I have some
great smoking seconds from this period also, that I'd never part with). I'm
not sure if the ones I have are flukes or from a particularly bad period for
the brand, but I'd steer clear.

I hope someone else has more information.

Sykes

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Mark Cicero

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Nov 18, 2002, 12:53:55 PM11/18/02
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Thank for the info Sykes.....that should go a long way in helping me
sell my pipe ;-)

I think when it comes to "seconds" it's pretty much hit and miss. The
one that I have is actually a very decent smoker. The draft hole is
perfectly centered and flush with the bottom of the bowl. I think the
reason it became a "second" was because of some fissures located on the
shank....ergo the nickle band.

regards,
Mark

Mark Cicero

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Nov 18, 2002, 12:48:34 PM11/18/02
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I think I managed to find out my own answers. During lunch I stopped
into the "Arcade Smoke Shop", where Mr. Greg Peevey works. For those of
you not familiar with the name, Greg is probably one of the most
knowledgeable persons in our little fraternity when it comes to all
pipes and tobacco's made and produced in Great Britain. I am often in
the shop and sometimes hesitate to ask him a question for fear of not
having enough time to stand there and listen to the entire answer.

So today I asked him about Savory pipes. Here is what I remember, of
what he told me.

There was a shop in England on Argyll Street called Savory's......they
were most noted for their tobacco blend called "Baby's Bottom". They
went out of business about 12 to 14 years ago. While in business they
contracted with a number of pipe making companies (most notably Dunhill)
to buy their seconds and thirds and have them stamped as their own. So
a Savory pipe may have started out as a Dunhill or Comoy.....but for a
variety of reasons was rejected and went on to become a Savory. They
are good smokers, as they come from good stock, but sold for
significantly less than a Dunhill or Comoy first.

The Savory that I have is a blasted prince with a nickel band which I
think has been making the rounds of ASP, as I did a google search and
discovered that one of our asp members was inquiring about this same
pipe earlier in the year.

The pipe is still unsold and was listed in my last "On the shopping
Block".....if anyone is interested please contact me.

Best Regards,
Mark Cicero
Nashville ,TN

Sykes Wilford

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Nov 18, 2002, 5:23:22 PM11/18/02
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> Thank for the info Sykes.....that should go a long way in helping me
> sell my pipe ;-)

Sorry Mark! I didn't mean to condemn the line as a whole, but I wouldn't
recommend anyone buy any of my Savory's from me <G>...


> I think when it comes to "seconds" it's pretty much hit and miss.

Yes...for me at least, my experience with Charatan seconds is indicative of
that. I have some truly superb Mount Battens and some truly horrendous
ones. Second really come on a piece by piece basis (and, well, I guess if
seconds weren't hit and miss, they wouldn't be seconds).

> The
> one that I have is actually a very decent smoker. The draft hole is
> perfectly centered and flush with the bottom of the bowl. I think the
> reason it became a "second" was because of some fissures located on the
> shank....ergo the nickle band.

John Rich

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Nov 18, 2002, 10:41:48 PM11/18/02
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I've got one of those Savory's... a nice big d-hill group 5. Pretty
good smoking pipe. Traded with a fellow on ASP about 7/8 years ago
for it. Lovely pipe.

Best,
John

On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:48:34 -0600, Mark Cicero <m...@wallerlaw.com>
wrote:

>There was a shop in England on Argyll Street called Savory's......they
>were most noted for their tobacco blend called "Baby's Bottom". They
>went out of business about 12 to 14 years ago. While in business they
>contracted with a number of pipe making companies (most notably Dunhill)
>to buy their seconds and thirds and have them stamped as their own. So
>a Savory pipe may have started out as a Dunhill or Comoy.....but for a
>variety of reasons was rejected and went on to become a Savory. They
>are good smokers, as they come from good stock, but sold for
>significantly less than a Dunhill or Comoy first.
>

John Rich
Knoxville, TN

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