Probable discontinuance of Dunhill blends
John-in-KC on Sorcerynet #pipes
Appears that Orlik Tobacco has made the production decision to
completely discontinue their Dunhill pipe tobacco production. There
is apparently a letter gone out to retailers specifying which brands
are gone. If you go to www.orlik.com, and drill into their complete
alphabetical list of blends, it's Orwellian... the Dunhill blends do
not exist; they never existed.
OTOH,
The orlik.dk (local Danish language, Danish domain site) still listed
EMP, 965, and Edgeworth (yes, that's not a Dunhill blend...)...
If I liked Dunhill blends, I think I'd be on the phone to my favorite
B/M or in digits to my favorite e-tailer, laying in the cellar.
Smoke in peace, John
Cup O' Joes
nothing to do with Dunhill pipe tobacco, other than the fact that they
make it for BAT. BAT owns the rights to the Dunhill name, specifically
the script logo that appears on their tins and cigarettes, not the
lower case, tall lettering used on pipes and accessories, and that
appears on the homepage my site (that's owned by Richemont). Orlik
distributes Dunhill branded tobaccos in Denmark, which is why they
appear on the .dk website. Conwood, a company owned by RJR, acquired
Lane Limited, along with the US distribution rights for Dunhill
tobaccos, about a year and a half ago. Well, Conwood (read RJ) likes
to sell cigarettes and moist snuff, not pipe tobacco. Conwood will
stop distributing all Orlik-made tobacco July 1, 2008. That's it for
the facts.
Now, here's a little speculation on my part:
Conwood will, ultimately, put to rest all Lane and Captain Black pipe
tobaccos. This is an apalling effort by RJ to switch pipe smokers to
cigarettes, a considerably more profitable product. This is what
everyone should be concerned with.
BAT is not happy with Conwood's efforts at selling their products and
will, ultimately, find another souce to distribute their products in
the US, which will still be made for them by Orlick.
The shortage of Dunhill tobaccos, which has been going on for the past
18 months, will continue until BAT gets their distribution channels
back in order. It will get worse before it gets better.
Stocking up is good advice, but don't horde thinking you'll get rich
on ebay in a few years. By then, the stuff will be available again. Of
course, I could be wrong. People are paying ridiculous prices for
"Murray's production Dunhill Nightcap" when, in fact, it's the same
tobacco that's been made by Orlik and tinned for them by Murrays for
at least the past 15 years.
Confused? Me too. If you're sitting around with nothing to do someday,
do some research on the web and try to figure out the corporate
hierarchy for the companies I've mentioned. Who really owns which
company and, more importantly, who controls the day to day business of
these mother/daughter/sister companies. Good luck.
Eric
www.Cupojoes.com
Michael Hudson
> I think there may be a little clarification needed here. Orlik has
> nothing to do with Dunhill pipe tobacco, other than the fact that they
> make it for BAT.
WHOA!
> "People are paying ridiculous prices for
> "Murray's production Dunhill Nightcap" when, in fact, it's the same
> tobacco that's been made by Orlik and tinned for them by Murrays for
> at least the past 15 years.
NELLIE!
So, Eric, bubeleh, you're saying that all of that recent chatter and
hand-wringing about the Orlikification of 965 and the Golden
Slicifying of Elizabethan, and so on, was the product of some nature
of mass hysteria? That there was, to use a medical term, no dicking
around with the various and sacrosanct Dunhill recipes? Is that what
you're saying?
M
Cup O' Joes
Is that the correct spelling?
you're saying that all of that recent chatter and
> hand-wringing about the Orlikification of 965 and the Golden
> Slicifying of Elizabethan, and so on, was the product of some nature
> of mass hysteria?
Yes! and...No!
965 = Orlick
Elizabethan = Murray's (which is why it's gone)
That there was, to use a medical term, no dicking
> around with the various and sacrosanct Dunhill recipes?
965, Early Morning, Nightcap, London Mixture, Standard Medium, Light
Flake, Royal Yacht and Escudo (Deluxe Navy Rolls) have not changed, to
use a medical term, physiologically, but have changed greatly, to use
another medical term, psychologically. Someone will want to argue
this, but don't. I can honestly say that I have not had one single
comment or complaint that something is different about 965, or
Nightcap, or anything else, since murray's closed.
Is that what
> you're saying?
I didn't say a word. Typed them all!
Eric
www.Cupojoes.com
BTW, I had to type the squigly word "addushy" to post this reply
through google. Is that a word?
Michael Hudson
> > So, Eric, bubeleh,
>
> Is that the correct spelling?
Of course it's the correct spelling. One of them, any way.
> 965 = Orlick
> Elizabethan = Murray's (which is why it's gone)
The part up there and the stuff down below is muy interesting.
> 965, Early Morning, Nightcap, London Mixture, Standard Medium, Light
> Flake, Royal Yacht and Escudo (Deluxe Navy Rolls) have not changed, to
> use a medical term, physiologically, but have changed greatly, to use
> another medical term, psychologically. Someone will want to argue
> this, but don't. I can honestly say that I have not had one single
> comment or complaint that something is different about 965, or
> Nightcap, or anything else, since murray's closed.
>
> Is that what
>
> > you're saying?
>
> I didn't say a word. Typed them all!
A wisenheimer, ay?
> BTW, I had to type the squigly word "addushy" to post this reply
> through google. Is that a word?
Que? Non capisco, 'addushy.' Then again, I non capisco lots of
things. Thanks very much for the clarification, re: Dunhill vs. Orlik
vs. Murray.
M