Dunhill Seconds="International Selection"?
Henry McGrattan
A couple of pipe ID questions if I'm not tiring out the
kapnismological cognoscenti:
I acquired a couple of pipes from a friend this week, both stamped
"Intenational Selection" and London Briar. Actually one is stamped
"Unique International Selection."
The friend says that Int'l Selection is a brand that is a Dunhill
second. Is this accurate? They are definitely nice pipes, excellent
finishes, and the stems have that hard gloss that Dunhill stems seem
to have.
And while I'm hounding you has anyone heard of these two:
Lombarda (Italy)
Duncan (Made in England)
Geez at this rate of collecting if I die the estate pipe market is
going to experience a glut.
Henry McGrattan:
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Ralph Ryan
Hi Henry,
Well, that's a new one on me. As far as I know Dunhill's only second
outlet for decades was Parker. Not quite a Dunhill y'unnerstand. In other
words, I got a blank on it...
Ivy K. Ryan
Henry McGrattan <henry.m...@ablelink.org> wrote in article
<33738a13...@news.globalserve.net>...
David L Chambers
In article <33738a13...@news.globalserve.net>, Henry McGrattan
<henry.m...@ablelink.org> writes
>And while I'm hounding you has anyone heard of these two:
>
>Lombarda (Italy)
>
>Duncan (Made in England)
I have one Duncan. They are a quite common pipe in the UK. I would call
them 'medium' quality. T
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David L Chambers
Steve Smith
On 10 May 97 00:59:17 GMT, "Ralph Ryan" <sgm...@cfanet.com> wrote:
>Hi Henry,
>
>Well, that's a new one on me. As far as I know Dunhill's only second
>outlet for decades was Parker. Not quite a Dunhill y'unnerstand. In other
>words, I got a blank on it...
>
>Ivy K. Ryan
>
>Henry McGrattan <henry.m...@ablelink.org> wrote in article
><33738a13...@news.globalserve.net>...
>>
>> A couple of pipe ID questions if I'm not tiring out the
>> kapnismological cognoscenti:
>>
>> I acquired a couple of pipes from a friend this week, both stamped
>> "Intenational Selection" and London Briar. Actually one is stamped
>> "Unique International Selection."
>>
>> The friend says that Int'l Selection is a brand that is a Dunhill
>> second. Is this accurate? They are definitely nice pipes, excellent
>> finishes, and the stems have that hard gloss that Dunhill stems seem
>> to have.
Ivy, for what it's worth, the currently made Sasieni's are actually
made in France under the auspices of Dunhill. So in a manner of
speaking, Sasieni's are now Dunhill seconds.
Steve Smith
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Steve Smith
On 12 May 1997 22:01:21 GMT, sky...@value.net (Skydog (Gregory Pease))
wrote:
>Once upon a time, Parker was a marque unto itself. Dunhill acquired the
>firm and the name and used it as a vehicle for marketing "seconds".
<snip>
>I have in my collection a 1937 Parker (dated with the same patent numbers
>and date stamps we have all come to know and love) which, apart from the
>lack of a white spot and Dunhill stams is indistinguishable from the Genuine
>Article (TM). No flaws, no fills, beautiful grain, excellent stemwork, &c.
>I'd hardly call this pipe a "second", though it lacks the oil-curing of
>Dunhills from that era. I'd call it an alternative marque!
I've had the pleasure to meet Mike Reschke, the Chicago based Parker
collector, on two occasisions. He told me that Dunhill actually
created Parker as a marketing label for a line of less expensive, yet
still First quality, pipes. It was only in later years that the idea
of using the Parker name to market seconds came into being. FWIW.
rcharles...@gmail.com
> A couple of pipe ID questions if I'm not tiring out the
> kapnismological cognoscenti:
>
> I acquired a couple of pipes from a friend this week, both stamped
> "Intenational Selection" and London Briar. Actually one is stamped
> "Unique International Selection."
>
> The friend says that Int'l Selection is a brand that is a Dunhill
> second. Is this accurate? They are definitely nice pipes, excellent
> finishes, and the stems have that hard gloss that Dunhill stems seem
> to have.
>
> And while I'm hounding you has anyone heard of these two:
>
> Lombarda (Italy)
>
> Duncan (Made in England)
>
>
roman...@gmail.com
> kapnismological cognoscenti:
>
> I acquired a couple of pipes from a friend this week, both stamped
> "Intenational Selection" and London Briar. Actually one is stamped
> "Unique International Selection."
>
> The friend says that Int'l Selection is a brand that is a Dunhill
> second. Is this accurate? They are definitely nice pipes, excellent
> finishes, and the stems have that hard gloss that Dunhill stems seem
> to have.
>
>
> Lombarda (Italy)
>
> Duncan (Made in England)
>
>
> Geez at this rate of collecting if I die the estate pipe market is
> going to experience a glut.
>
>
> Henry McGrattan:
> E-mail: h...@globalserve.net
> or: henry.m...@ablelink.org
> Web page: http://www.globalserve.net/~hm
Jim Beard
> Le vendredi 9 mai 1997 09:00:00 UTC+2, Henry McGrattan a écrit :
>> A couple of pipe ID questions if I'm not tiring out the kapnismological
>> cognoscenti:
>>
>> I acquired a couple of pipes from a friend this week, both stamped
>> "Intenational Selection" and London Briar. Actually one is stamped
>> "Unique International Selection."
>>
>> The friend says that Int'l Selection is a brand that is a Dunhill
>> second. Is this accurate? They are definitely nice pipes, excellent
>> finishes, and the stems have that hard gloss that Dunhill stems seem to
>> have.
>>
>> And while I'm hounding you has anyone heard of these two:
>>
>> Lombarda (Italy)
>>
>> Duncan (Made in England)
of England.
>>
>> Geez at this rate of collecting if I die the estate pipe market is
>> going to experience a glut.
>>
>>
>> Henry McGrattan:
>> E-mail: h...@globalserve.net
>> or: henry.m...@ablelink.org
>> Web page: http://www.globalserve.net/~hm
>
> i'mafraid your friend is mistaking. International Selection is a second
> brand of Charatan, the first brand to make entirely hand-made briars
> from the rough block to the finished pipe including the stems.
Briar" or "Unique International Selection" as such.
Unique was made by Dunhill, Wiley, or GBD, International by GBD in
England or France, and London by any of a variety of manufacturers.
Complicating things a bit, I seem to remember Dunhill buying out Charatan
in the 1970s, so there could be confusion of which made a pipe depending
on when it was made.
The assertion that Charatan was the first to make entirely hand-made
briars from rough block to finished pipe including stem would likewise
seem to be in error, as Charatan was started up by a guy who had been a
factory manager for Dunhill and pretty much duplicated the Dunhill
process he had directed earlier. He did add heat-drying of the stummel,
which resulted in loss of about 15-20 percent of stummels but provided a
pipe needing little or no break-in.
Dunhill discovered and used the oil-curing process, which allowed
creating a pipe fit to smoke from cheap Algerian briar that otherwise
would initially be nearly unsmokable due to sap and green wood.
Cheers!
jim b.
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