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Adriaan Roeleveld

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Dec 25, 2000, 8:01:18 AM12/25/00
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A friend of mine who quit pipesmoking years ago, recently gave me a
tin of Balkan Sobranie 759. It was opened some 8 years ago, so it was
bone dry. After reviving it with a humidrole in a bail top jar
however, it gives a wonderfull smoke. Soft, subtle, smokey, but not
overpowering, a little sweet even!

The normal Sobranie I do not really like, but this is really good.
Would it be mainly the difference between Original and 759 or would it
be the aging that makes this so much better?

Since this jar will get empty some time, I am very interested in
something that may approach this taste a little. I already tried
Margate and altough it is good, I find it not as good as BS759.

Any comments will be highly appreciated.

Merry smoking,


Adriaan
(BS759 in a Stanwell 62)


Adriaan Roeleveld
roelev AT bigfoot DOT com

J.W. Davis

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Dec 25, 2000, 8:19:14 AM12/25/00
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"Adriaan Roeleveld" <lo...@signature.com> wrote in message >

> Any comments will be highly appreciated.

Although it isn't 759, but then nothing else really is, I find the Solani
795 or 759 or 975, hell it's the tobacco in the black and gold tin, to be a
very good substitute. I have stashed away about a dozen tins and will be
checking it's progress over the next few years. Give it a try, I think
you'll be pleased.

John

MJKidd

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Dec 25, 2000, 12:05:01 PM12/25/00
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There is a tobacco shop in State College Pa that sells Balkan "Sobriety" one of
their house blends that was formulated to replace 759. They did a great job.
email me if you'd like more info or a sample.
-
When the trout are lost, smash the state!
-Tom McGuane
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far...@my-deja.com

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Dec 25, 2000, 2:06:42 PM12/25/00
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It is Solani 779, and yes, it is very good.

-keith f.

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Bernard Goldman

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Dec 25, 2000, 3:28:51 PM12/25/00
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Sounds like it's worth trying; Sobranie 759 used to be one of my
favorites. BTW, I've heard Solani 633 mentioned as a good replacement
for Three Nuns. Has anybody tried it?

Bernie Goldman

Tarek Manadily

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Dec 25, 2000, 8:42:22 AM12/25/00
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> Since this jar will get empty some time, I am very interested in
> something that may approach this taste a little. I already tried
> Margate and altough it is good, I find it not as good as BS759.

Schürch Sobrani mixture is the closest I have tried. The BS 759 swear by
it.

Tarek
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"Adriaan Roeleveld" <lo...@signature.com> wrote in message

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> A friend of mine who quit pipesmoking years ago, recently gave me a
> tin of Balkan Sobranie 759. It was opened some 8 years ago, so it was
> bone dry. After reviving it with a humidrole in a bail top jar
> however, it gives a wonderfull smoke. Soft, subtle, smokey, but not
> overpowering, a little sweet even!
>
> The normal Sobranie I do not really like, but this is really good.
> Would it be mainly the difference between Original and 759 or would it
> be the aging that makes this so much better?
>

>

Bernard Goldman

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Dec 25, 2000, 8:13:35 PM12/25/00
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A little OT, but thinking about Sobranie, I suddenly remembered going
to a recital by Thelonius Monk at Town Hall in NYC in the 60's, and
watched in awe as Monk shambled out to the piano, with his pipe in his
mouth, and a can of original Balkan Sobranie in his hand, put the can
on the corner of piano, and proceeded to play his sublime jazz.

Bernie Goldman


flatulent1

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Dec 27, 2000, 3:13:08 AM12/27/00
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Bernard Goldman <bpgo...@worldnet.att.net> scribbled:

>Sounds like it's worth trying; Sobranie 759 used to be one of my
>favorites. BTW, I've heard Solani 633 mentioned as a good replacement
>for Three Nuns. Has anybody tried it?
>
>Bernie Goldman
>

Solani 633 is indeed an excellent replacement for 3 Nuns. Better, in fact; I can actually
TASTE the Solani, where the Nuns are nothing but hot air to me.


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as he cut the cheese
for all the guests.

Ronald Ipock

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Dec 26, 2000, 7:21:08 PM12/26/00
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On 27 Dec 2000 02:13:08 -0600, flatulent1 <ngt...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Bernard Goldman <bpgo...@worldnet.att.net> scribbled:
>
>>Sounds like it's worth trying; Sobranie 759 used to be one of my
>>favorites. BTW, I've heard Solani 633 mentioned as a good replacement
>>for Three Nuns. Has anybody tried it?
>>
>>Bernie Goldman
>>
>
>Solani 633 is indeed an excellent replacement for 3 Nuns. Better, in fact; I can actually
>TASTE the Solani, where the Nuns are nothing but hot air to me.

Two years ago, I got some Super Balkan (I think that was the name)
from Rich's Cigar Store in Portland, OR. And it tasted really good
and close to the original. They added an oriental herb (gongee
(spelling?)). It was wonderful.

Steve Thomas

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Dec 27, 2000, 5:22:57 AM12/27/00
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On 27 Dec 2000 02:13:08 -0600, flatulent1 <ngt...@hotmail.com> wrote:


>Solani 633 is indeed an excellent replacement for 3 Nuns. Better, in fact; I can actually
>TASTE the Solani, where the Nuns are nothing but hot air to me.

I received some Solani 633 as a gift. If it is indeed a close
approximation of Three Nuns, I can see why people speak of Three Nuns
so highly.

Steve

Adriaan Roeleveld

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Dec 27, 2000, 2:29:09 PM12/27/00
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On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 07:19:14 -0600, "J.W. Davis" <jvdavis!@neok.com>
wrote:

>Although it isn't 759, but then nothing else really is, I find the Solani
>795 or 759 or 975, hell it's the tobacco in the black and gold tin, to be a
>very good substitute. I have stashed away about a dozen tins and will be
>checking it's progress over the next few years. Give it a try, I think
>you'll be pleased.

I have tried Solani ... (I don't know the number anymore, but it was
the one you described) about a year ago. At that time I was very into
Dunhills (London Mixture, 965) and I found the Solani much less
nuanced, less complex than the Dunhills I prefer.
BS759 I find even more subtle, but maybe that's the aging.

Are you meaning the Solani with or without aging? I tried it without,
but maybe it's better after a year. Maybe I'll try that and try to age
some 965 and DLM as well. Any experiences on that comparison?

Smoke in peace,

Adriaan Roeleveld

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Dec 27, 2000, 2:29:10 PM12/27/00
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On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 15:28:51 -0500, Bernard Goldman
<bpgo...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Sounds like it's worth trying; Sobranie 759 used to be one of my
>favorites. BTW, I've heard Solani 633 mentioned as a good replacement
>for Three Nuns. Has anybody tried it?

Yes I tried 633 as well. I find it a very good Va/Pe flake.
Haven't tried the 3 Nuns (expensive and I'm Dutch ;-)) so I can't
judge about it being a replacement, but it is good in itself.
I would give it a try.

Smoke in peace,

ktmd

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Dec 27, 2000, 3:03:27 PM12/27/00
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"flatulent1" <ngt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bernard Goldman <bpgo...@worldnet.att.net> scribbled:
>
> >Sounds like it's worth trying; Sobranie 759 used to be one of my
> >favorites. BTW, I've heard Solani 633 mentioned as a good replacement
> >for Three Nuns. Has anybody tried it?
> >
> >Bernie Goldman
> >
>
> Solani 633 is indeed an excellent replacement for 3 Nuns. Better, in
fact; I can actually
> TASTE the Solani, where the Nuns are nothing but hot air to me.

I actually find Solani 633 to be almost tasteless compared to Three Nuns.
It is certainly milder in nicotine content. The Solani is a nice tobacco,
but I prefer Escudo and Three Nuns as I find them to have more distinctive,
stronger tastes. Although Nuns is no longer available in the US, Daniel at
Synjeco in Switzerland has it for fairly cheap. No replacement necessary
Bernie :0)

Regards,

Kurt


buck...@my-deja.com

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Dec 27, 2000, 3:48:46 PM12/27/00
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Now just how cool was Thelonius ?
bucksmoke

Bernard Goldman

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Dec 27, 2000, 9:39:29 PM12/27/00
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Thelonius was amazing, a one-of-a-kind genius.

I must be on a nostalgia trip, but the orignal Sobranie has reminded
now of an English blend from the 60's called "Baby's Bottom". The
copy on the tin read, "Nothing smoother than...". Anybody else
remember this?

Bernie Goldman

JHowell982

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Dec 27, 2000, 10:25:50 PM12/27/00
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<<
I must be on a nostalgia trip, but the orignal Sobranie has reminded
now of an English blend from the 60's called "Baby's Bottom". The
copy on the tin read, "Nothing smoother than...". Anybody else
remember this?

Bernie Goldman
>>
I don't remember it, but I got a couple of tins of Baby's Bottom at the Dunhill
shop in London last summer and enjoyed it very much.


Jack

"Whenever A injures or annoys B on pretense of saving or improving X, A is a
scoundrel." -- H.L. Mencken

Bernard Goldman

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Dec 27, 2000, 10:59:09 PM12/27/00
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Jack -

You mean it's still around? I just assumed it had gone the way of all
the good English blends. I wonder if it's available in the US.


JHowell982

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Dec 27, 2000, 11:20:44 PM12/27/00
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<<
You mean it's still around? I just assumed it had gone the way of all
the good English blends. I wonder if it's available in the US.
>>

No, it's not, at least not that I have seen. It's not in a blue tin anymore,
rather in a generic Dunhill Hand Blended tin with the name stamped on the lable
in blue ink, and I never saw it anywhere in Europe other than at the London
Dunhill store. I had a couple of other unavailable-here Dunhill blends on my
hit list, and they came in the same tins. They have drawers and drawers with
hundreds of tins, and I gather that while a blend may be withdrawn from
distribution overseas, or in general, the main store still carries it. I
imagine they'd send you some, but it would be pretty dear. It's quite good

JHowell982

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Dec 27, 2000, 11:24:12 PM12/27/00
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As I was saying before I accidentally hit the "send" button, it's quite good,
but it was fairly expensive even without shipping, and you could probably get
three or four tins of Samarra for what one tin of Baby's Bottom would cost once
it got here.

Tarek Manadily

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Dec 28, 2000, 7:48:51 AM12/28/00
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> You mean it's still around? I just assumed it had gone the way of all
> the good English blends. I wonder if it's available in the US.

Yes it is still available the Dunhill London shop, under their Handblended
label. Whether it is identical to the '60s one is a different issue, and I
do not know. I just know it is an excellent English mixture.

The problem with these HB Dunhill tobaccos, as Jack pointed out, is the
price. And not they do not give you a free Shell with each tin ;-)

Tarek
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Bernard Goldman

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Dec 28, 2000, 9:15:26 PM12/28/00
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Thanks, Jack and Tarek. I think my nostalgia trip is over. The
thought of paying all that money for what may or not be like a tobacco
I smoked in the 60's has cured me. From what I remember of its taste,
it was not any better than Renaissance, which is becoming for me the
perfect classic English blend.

Bernie

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