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John Fury
Apr 21, 2013, 3:06:36 PM4/21/13
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Apparently they were a division of Continental out of NYC. I just acquired a circa 1940s Emperor Supreme bent bulldog in pristine condition from the Bay for less than $20. A quick search of Chris' Pipe Pages lead to a period catalog and plenty of info. about this high-grade pipe including that it retailed for $7.50, which was not much less than a Dunhill back in those days!
I suppose the whole point of this post is to get your opinions on these pipes and perhaps coax others to post similar WWII or before marques that habitually fly under the radar on auction sites.
Just finished some Exotique in a pre-war Sasieni apple while re-screening the living room Bay window.
furious
I suppose the whole point of this post is to get your opinions on these pipes and perhaps coax others to post similar WWII or before marques that habitually fly under the radar on auction sites.
Just finished some Exotique in a pre-war Sasieni apple while re-screening the living room Bay window.
furious
random
Apr 22, 2013, 6:47:20 AM4/22/13
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than what Ed's dog is doing after dinner. <g>
Do you have any photos of the new acquisition?
JtN©
Apr 24, 2013, 11:40:18 AM4/24/13
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your speaking of relates to just slightly better than machine made
mass produced pipes just a step or two above basket grade quality.
Smoke it while have the pride in knowing that you do have a piece of
history and beauty in your hand.
JtN ©2013
JtN©
Apr 24, 2013, 11:42:38 AM4/24/13
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trouble please be ready to step up to the plate and take Ed's place
because if you insult and chase him off, ASP will lose 30 or at times
close to 40 or 50% of its posting traffic.
JtN ©2013
random
Apr 25, 2013, 2:45:49 AM4/25/13
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You seem to be on the warpath.
Personally I find all these "daily smokes" threads boring as hell. I
don't care who's drinking tea, or beer, or walking his dog, or what
they're happily smoking. I don't care about that stuff. Others do,
that's fine; I don't.
Somebody wants to talk about pipes, about specific tobaccos, great,
fantastic. I'm even interested if somebody wants to talk about some
personal problems he's going through.
But the superficial crap is, well, superficial; it bores me. Not that
anybody is obligated to care what I find boring or interesting, but I
can say it's boring if that's how I find it.
Gosh, this morning I'm smoking Prince Albert in an old Random that
didn't make the cut and drinking coffee, just like every other morning,
so what.
Now you take it upon yourself to tell me to "play nice" and so I'll take
it upon myself to tell you to calm down instead of getting in
everybody's face. Get over whatever has you all pissed off, I'm
guessing that nobody cares any more about what's pissed you off than
they care about whether you're drinking tea or milk. You want to start
a "gee these things really piss me off" thread, go for it, plenty of
things piss me off too.
JtN©
Apr 25, 2013, 2:05:09 PM4/25/13
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On Apr 25, 2:45 am, random <ran...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
being all pissed off like that. Nobody really cares anymore about
whats pissing you off about all the smoky morning, nooner, nighter and
late nighter along with the special smoky this and that time posts. We
all realize that they are well over 60% of all traffic here on ASP and
there is no controlling it so either play nice and let them be or move
along and find someplace else you like better. FYI the actual average
is actually way higher than 70% and closer to 80% but there has been
an exceptional amount of other posting traffic in the last 12 or so
days that has helped to lower that average.
Life aint really like that box of chocolattes the Forest Gumps momma
told him about. If you want a certain chocolatte in your box and no
other chocolattes at all in there then you can have it your way. Life
is just like Burger King where you can hold the sauce and hold the
pickles cause you can have things anyway you want them. You just have
to remember though that no matter what, there is only 1 kind of beer
and if you think different then you can just stand the freak by cause
they will send the Hamms Bear after you and he will find you in that
doomsday preppin bunker you live in.
JtN ©2013
> On 04/24/2013 09:42 AM, JtN© wrote:
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> > On Apr 22, 6:47 am, random <ran...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 04/21/2013 01:06 PM, John Fury wrote:
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> >>> Apparently they were a division of Continental out of NYC. I just acquired a circa 1940s Emperor Supreme bent bulldog in pristine condition from the Bay for less than $20. A quick search of Chris' Pipe Pages lead to a period catalog and plenty of info. about this high-grade pipe including that it retailed for $7.50, which was not much less than a Dunhill back in those days!
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> >>> I suppose the whole point of this post is to get your opinions on these pipes and perhaps coax others to post similar WWII or before marques that habitually fly under the radar on auction sites.
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> >>> Just finished some Exotique in a pre-war Sasieni apple while re-screening the living room Bay window.
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> >>> furious
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> >> I know nothing about the subject, but it sounds far more interesting
> >> than what Ed's dog is doing after dinner. <g>
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> >> Do you have any photos of the new acquisition?
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> > Random, play nicely and if you cant refrain from trying to start
> > trouble please be ready to step up to the plate and take Ed's place
> > because if you insult and chase him off, ASP will lose 30 or at times
> > close to 40 or 50% of its posting traffic.
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> > JtN ©2013
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> > On Apr 22, 6:47 am, random <ran...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 04/21/2013 01:06 PM, John Fury wrote:
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> >>> Apparently they were a division of Continental out of NYC. I just acquired a circa 1940s Emperor Supreme bent bulldog in pristine condition from the Bay for less than $20. A quick search of Chris' Pipe Pages lead to a period catalog and plenty of info. about this high-grade pipe including that it retailed for $7.50, which was not much less than a Dunhill back in those days!
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> >>> I suppose the whole point of this post is to get your opinions on these pipes and perhaps coax others to post similar WWII or before marques that habitually fly under the radar on auction sites.
>
> >>> Just finished some Exotique in a pre-war Sasieni apple while re-screening the living room Bay window.
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> >>> furious
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> >> I know nothing about the subject, but it sounds far more interesting
> >> than what Ed's dog is doing after dinner. <g>
>
> >> Do you have any photos of the new acquisition?
>
> > Random, play nicely and if you cant refrain from trying to start
> > trouble please be ready to step up to the plate and take Ed's place
> > because if you insult and chase him off, ASP will lose 30 or at times
> > close to 40 or 50% of its posting traffic.
>
>
> You seem to be on the warpath.
>
> Personally I find all these "daily smokes" threads boring as hell. I
> don't care who's drinking tea, or beer, or walking his dog, or what
> they're happily smoking. I don't care about that stuff. Others do,
> that's fine; I don't.
>
> Somebody wants to talk about pipes, about specific tobaccos, great,
> fantastic. I'm even interested if somebody wants to talk about some
> personal problems he's going through.
>
> But the superficial crap is, well, superficial; it bores me. Not that
> anybody is obligated to care what I find boring or interesting, but I
> can say it's boring if that's how I find it.
>
> Gosh, this morning I'm smoking Prince Albert in an old Random that
> didn't make the cut and drinking coffee, just like every other morning,
> so what.
>
> Now you take it upon yourself to tell me to "play nice" and so I'll take
> it upon myself to tell you to calm down instead of getting in
> everybody's face. Get over whatever has you all pissed off, I'm
> guessing that nobody cares any more about what's pissed you off than
> they care about whether you're drinking tea or milk. You want to start
> a "gee these things really piss me off" thread, go for it, plenty of
> things piss me off too.
Calm down Randy, you don't need to be gettin in everybody's face and
> You seem to be on the warpath.
>
> Personally I find all these "daily smokes" threads boring as hell. I
> don't care who's drinking tea, or beer, or walking his dog, or what
> they're happily smoking. I don't care about that stuff. Others do,
> that's fine; I don't.
>
> Somebody wants to talk about pipes, about specific tobaccos, great,
> fantastic. I'm even interested if somebody wants to talk about some
> personal problems he's going through.
>
> But the superficial crap is, well, superficial; it bores me. Not that
> anybody is obligated to care what I find boring or interesting, but I
> can say it's boring if that's how I find it.
>
> Gosh, this morning I'm smoking Prince Albert in an old Random that
> didn't make the cut and drinking coffee, just like every other morning,
> so what.
>
> Now you take it upon yourself to tell me to "play nice" and so I'll take
> it upon myself to tell you to calm down instead of getting in
> everybody's face. Get over whatever has you all pissed off, I'm
> guessing that nobody cares any more about what's pissed you off than
> they care about whether you're drinking tea or milk. You want to start
> a "gee these things really piss me off" thread, go for it, plenty of
> things piss me off too.
being all pissed off like that. Nobody really cares anymore about
whats pissing you off about all the smoky morning, nooner, nighter and
late nighter along with the special smoky this and that time posts. We
all realize that they are well over 60% of all traffic here on ASP and
there is no controlling it so either play nice and let them be or move
along and find someplace else you like better. FYI the actual average
is actually way higher than 70% and closer to 80% but there has been
an exceptional amount of other posting traffic in the last 12 or so
days that has helped to lower that average.
Life aint really like that box of chocolattes the Forest Gumps momma
told him about. If you want a certain chocolatte in your box and no
other chocolattes at all in there then you can have it your way. Life
is just like Burger King where you can hold the sauce and hold the
pickles cause you can have things anyway you want them. You just have
to remember though that no matter what, there is only 1 kind of beer
and if you think different then you can just stand the freak by cause
they will send the Hamms Bear after you and he will find you in that
doomsday preppin bunker you live in.
JtN ©2013
random
Apr 26, 2013, 4:57:52 AM4/26/13
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Malt Liquor! You ain't representin'! You ain't keepin' it real!"
JtN©
Apr 26, 2013, 8:39:24 AM4/26/13
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JtN ©2013
random
Apr 27, 2013, 4:26:04 AM4/27/13
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John Fury
Apr 28, 2013, 12:03:12 AM4/28/13
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Anyway, I received the pipe on Monday and it is barely smoked and in excellent condition with original hardware included--some funky stinger copy a la Kaywoodie but it seems to smoke well, so what the hell! Nice little yard pipe for only $17 shipped.
furious
Mark McKay
Apr 28, 2013, 12:18:21 AM4/28/13
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Hey John......if you can just take the stinger out...it will smoke
better....as for flame wars....nope....just JTN chiming in....lol.....;)
better....as for flame wars....nope....just JTN chiming in....lol.....;)
random
Apr 28, 2013, 5:06:28 AM4/28/13
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> Anyway, I received the pipe on Monday and it is barely smoked and in excellent condition with original hardware included--some funky stinger copy a la Kaywoodie but it seems to smoke well, so what the hell! Nice little yard pipe for only $17 shipped.
you have a yard. Otherwise maybe they're workshop pipes. Or driving to
work pipes. Or fishing pipes. <g>
If you should happen to post a picture of it, I'd love to see what the
Empire Briar Pipe Company produced back in the day.
random
Apr 28, 2013, 5:08:16 AM4/28/13
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On 04/27/2013 10:18 PM, Mark McKay wrote:
> Hey John......if you can just take the stinger out...it will smoke
> better....as for flame wars....nope....just JTN chiming in....lol.....;)
>
What's the deal with stingers anyway? I don't know that I've ever seen
> Hey John......if you can just take the stinger out...it will smoke
> better....as for flame wars....nope....just JTN chiming in....lol.....;)
>
one in person, and I've been away (French Foreign Legion, ya know) and
forgotten about them.
JtN©
Apr 28, 2013, 8:47:29 AM4/28/13
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If Randymon is going to respond with just a quote from the movie
"Double Take" I thought what the heck ... I'll do exactly the same
thing with a quote from the exact same movie ... how the heck does
that constitute a flame war for the non ignant folks of the world?
JtN ©2013
Jim Beard
Apr 28, 2013, 8:51:24 AM4/28/13
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end of the tenon pointed toward the bowl, and it will provide a
place for moisture to condense.
Then advertise that it provides "a drier smoke," and prove it by
pointing to all the water in the shank that had condensed on the
piece of metal and say, "That moisture did not reach your mouth!"
But the smoker that wants (and maybe needs) a drier smoke does
not change his smoking practices, and may in fact let them
deteriorate because the stinger will compensate to some degree
(however slight). Net result is little or no improvement in
moisture content of smoke reaching the mouth, and a whole bunch
of moisture in the shank.
Drier tobacco, and a more gentle draw to reduce the combustion
temperature/reduce the temperature drop of the smoke as it
travels to the mouth are the keys to a better smoke. If you are
smoking hot, and the rapid cooling of the smoke in the mouthpiece
is generating lots of condensed moisture that makes it into your
mouth, you need something other than a stinger to deal with it.
FWIW the aluminum tube in some pre-WW-II Dunhills had a similar
effect. The purpose, however, was not to provide a drier smoke
but to allow wealthy pipe-smokers who would not take the time to
clean a pipe to just pull out the aluminum tube and replace it.
This was another source of regular income for Dunhill, who of
course provided the tubes, but did require wealthy customers as
aluminum was very expensive in the 1920s and 1930s.
Cheers!
jim b.
--
UNIX is not user unfriendly; it merely
expects users to be computer-friendly.
John Fury
Apr 28, 2013, 9:31:54 AM4/28/13
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Thanks for all the good info. I am always looking for this type of obscure maker just to see what kind of pipe they put out back then and how it compares with today's pipes. This Emperor pipe is a good smoker, but aesthetically the grain is rather unremarkable overall with a lot of mottled areas on the front of the bowl and some cross-cut horizontal grain on the back. No fills or pits evident.
I am going to remove the stinger on this one. It is very unusual three-holed job with what I assume is a condenser at the end. Quite involved to keep clean I would assume and you'd think many would just let me gunk up until the draw was impossible. As it is, the draw is very closed--much more so than the old 4-hole Kaywoodies in my collection. So, I figure that the stinger ought to go. Will report back once completed hopefully with some pics for Random.
Have a good Sunday fellas.
Furious
JtN©
Apr 28, 2013, 9:59:10 AM4/28/13
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regards to the removal of stingers. They are one of those things that
is best to leave in place and just ignore to the best of your ability
because they are exactly like a mattress tag which we all know is must
not be removed under the penalties of the law. Unfortunately stingers
are so small you must use a micronscope to read the warning so no
matter what you do ... your on your own but be warned that if the pipe
police ever want to charge you, well your on your own and you might be
in serious pipe trouble.
The last person caught, found guilty and sentenced under the stinger
violation laws was only allowed to posses and smoke burned out cobs
filled with dried out Royal Yack ... and that was not the maximum
sentance either so do as you wish but be warned ... they are out there
watching and if your caught you just might not be happy.
JtN ©2013
John Fury
Apr 28, 2013, 1:58:50 PM4/28/13
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Thanks for the wise warning. I just smoked it again and after reading your post, I am going to leave the stinger alone for the time being. Yes, the draw is tight but not too terrible, and it is logical that the pipe should smoke better with it in than removed.
I have generally been a law-abiding citizen of this Republic, so I am going to heed your warning and leave it in situ. Don't want the stinger police on my case!
BTW, that reminds me of the movie, Fletch, where Chevy Chase tells some crazy fella who is getting ready to shoot him that the tags are gone on his mattress and that he ought to beat it cause the mattress police are after him. LOL!
John Fury
Apr 28, 2013, 11:14:35 PM4/28/13
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John - Melb
Apr 29, 2013, 3:01:25 AM4/29/13
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Congratulations John, looks like a keeper.
random
Apr 29, 2013, 3:18:11 AM4/29/13
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is tight but" is a sad thing to have to say, otoh removing the stinger
would decrease it's "collector value". What would be even sadder is
attempting to remove the stinger and screwing up the tenon; if you're
not entirely confident in your ability then by all means leave it alone.
I doubt that the pipe police would get you though, if they were going
around getting people they'd likely have gotten me a long time ago. <g>
John Fury
Apr 29, 2013, 9:49:53 AM4/29/13
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On Monday, April 29, 2013 3:18:11 AM UTC-4, random wrote:
> On 04/28/2013 09:14 PM, John Fury wrote: > On Sunday, April 28, 2013 1:58:50 PM UTC-4, John Fury wrote: >> On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:59:10 AM UTC-4, JtN© wrote: >> >>> On Apr 28, 9:31 am, John Fury <jfur...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:51:24 AM UTC-4, Jim Beard wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>> On 04/28/2013 05:08 AM, random wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>> On 04/27/2013 10:18 PM, Mark McKay wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>>> Hey John......if you can just take the stinger out...it will smoke >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>>> better....as for flame wars....nope....just JTN chiming >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>>> in....lol.....;) >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>> What's the deal with stingers anyway? I don't know that I've >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>> ever seen one in person, and I've been away (French Foreign >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>> Legion, ya know) and forgotten about them. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> An advertiser's "sales point." Put a piece of metal on the front >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> end of the tenon pointed toward the bowl, and it will provide a >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> place for moisture to condense. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> Then advertise that it provides "a drier smoke," and prove it by >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> pointing to all the water in the shank that had condensed on the >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> piece of metal and say, "That moisture did not reach your mouth!" >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> But the smoker that wants (and maybe needs) a drier smoke does >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> not change his smoking practices, and may in fact let them >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> deteriorate because the stinger will compensate to some degree >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> (however slight). Net result is little or no improvement in >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> moisture content of smoke reaching the mouth, and a whole bunch >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> of moisture in the shank. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> Drier tobacco, and a more gentle draw to reduce the combustion >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> temperature/reduce the temperature drop of the smoke as it >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> travels to the mouth are the keys to a better smoke. If you are >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> smoking hot, and the rapid cooling of the smoke in the mouthpiece >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> is generating lots of condensed moisture that makes it into your >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> mouth, you need something other than a stinger to deal with it. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> FWIW the aluminum tube in some pre-WW-II Dunhills had a similar >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> effect. The purpose, however, was not to provide a drier smoke >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> but to allow wealthy pipe-smokers who would not take the time to >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> clean a pipe to just pull out the aluminum tube and replace it. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> This was another source of regular income for Dunhill, who of >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> course provided the tubes, but did require wealthy customers as >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> aluminum was very expensive in the 1920s and 1930s. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> Cheers! >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> jim b. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> UNIX is not user unfriendly; it merely >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> expects users to be computer-friendly. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> Gentlemen: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> Thanks for all the good info. I am always looking for this type of obscure maker just to see what kind of pipe they put out back then and how it compares with today's pipes. This Emperor pipe is a good smoker, but aesthetically the grain is rather unremarkable overall with a lot of mottled areas on the front of the bowl and some cross-cut horizontal grain on the back. No fills or pits evident. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> I am going to remove the stinger on this one. It is very unusual three-holed job with what I assume is a condenser at the end. Quite involved to keep clean I would assume and you'd think many would just let me gunk up until the draw was impossible. As it is, the draw is very closed--much more so than the old 4-hole Kaywoodies in my collection. So, I figure that the stinger ought to go. Will report back once completed hopefully with some pics for Random. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> Have a good Sunday fellas. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> Furious >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Be forewarned ... I'm actually surprised nobody has yet to mention in >> >>> >> >>> regards to the removal of stingers. They are one of those things that >> >>> >> >>> is best to leave in place and just ignore to the best of your ability >> >>> >> >>> because they are exactly like a mattress tag which we all know is must >> >>> >> >>> not be removed under the penalties of the law. Unfortunately stingers >> >>> >> >>> are so small you must use a micronscope to read the warning so no >> >>> >> >>> matter what you do ... your on your own but be warned that if the pipe >> >>> >> >>> police ever want to charge you, well your on your own and you might be >> >>> >> >>> in serious pipe trouble. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> The last person caught, found guilty and sentenced under the stinger >> >>> >> >>> violation laws was only allowed to posses and smoke burned out cobs >> >>> >> >>> filled with dried out Royal Yack ... and that was not the maximum >> >>> >> >>> sentance either so do as you wish but be warned ... they are out there >> >>> >> >>> watching and if your caught you just might not be happy. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> JtN ©2013 >> >> >> >> JtN: >> >> >> >> Thanks for the wise warning. I just smoked it again and after reading your post, I am going to leave the stinger alone for the time being. Yes, the draw is tight but not too terrible, and it is logical that the pipe should smoke better with it in than removed. >> >> >> >> I have generally been a law-abiding citizen of this Republic, so I am going to heed your warning and leave it in situ. Don't want the stinger police on my case! >> >> >> >> BTW, that reminds me of the movie, Fletch, where Chevy Chase tells some crazy fella who is getting ready to shoot him that the tags are gone on his mattress and that he ought to beat it cause the mattress police are after him. LOL! > > As promised here are a couple of pics: > > http://s1158.photobucket.com/albums/p601/jfury76/?action=view¤t=SU1HLTIwMTMwNDI4LTAwNDE4LmpwZw_zpsfe7d92ca.jpg > > http://s1158.photobucket.com/albums/p601/jfury76/?action=view¤t=SU1HLTIwMTMwNDI4LTAwNDIwLmpwZw_zpsf187a5d6.jpg > Nicely shaped pipe. Too bad about that stinger, I suppose... "the draw is tight but" is a sad thing to have to say, otoh removing the stinger would decrease it's "collector value". What would be even sadder is attempting to remove the stinger and screwing up the tenon; if you're not entirely confident in your ability then by all means leave it alone. I doubt that the pipe police would get you though, if they were going around getting people they'd likely have gotten me a long time ago. <g>
LOL, yes I have performed surgery before with mixed results, so I believe that the prudent thing to do is take the advice of you and JtN and leave it alone. It is a fine yard pipe as the tight draw forces you to smoke slower, which can be helpful outside, esp. in the wind. Smoked it while cutting the grass yesterday and had a nice smoke with only one relight toward the end.
> On 04/28/2013 09:14 PM, John Fury wrote: > On Sunday, April 28, 2013 1:58:50 PM UTC-4, John Fury wrote: >> On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:59:10 AM UTC-4, JtN© wrote: >> >>> On Apr 28, 9:31 am, John Fury <jfur...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:51:24 AM UTC-4, Jim Beard wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>> On 04/28/2013 05:08 AM, random wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>> On 04/27/2013 10:18 PM, Mark McKay wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>>> Hey John......if you can just take the stinger out...it will smoke >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>>> better....as for flame wars....nope....just JTN chiming >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>>> in....lol.....;) >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>> What's the deal with stingers anyway? I don't know that I've >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>> ever seen one in person, and I've been away (French Foreign >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>> Legion, ya know) and forgotten about them. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> An advertiser's "sales point." Put a piece of metal on the front >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> end of the tenon pointed toward the bowl, and it will provide a >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> place for moisture to condense. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> Then advertise that it provides "a drier smoke," and prove it by >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> pointing to all the water in the shank that had condensed on the >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> piece of metal and say, "That moisture did not reach your mouth!" >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> But the smoker that wants (and maybe needs) a drier smoke does >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> not change his smoking practices, and may in fact let them >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> deteriorate because the stinger will compensate to some degree >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> (however slight). Net result is little or no improvement in >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> moisture content of smoke reaching the mouth, and a whole bunch >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> of moisture in the shank. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> Drier tobacco, and a more gentle draw to reduce the combustion >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> temperature/reduce the temperature drop of the smoke as it >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> travels to the mouth are the keys to a better smoke. If you are >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> smoking hot, and the rapid cooling of the smoke in the mouthpiece >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> is generating lots of condensed moisture that makes it into your >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> mouth, you need something other than a stinger to deal with it. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> FWIW the aluminum tube in some pre-WW-II Dunhills had a similar >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> effect. The purpose, however, was not to provide a drier smoke >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> but to allow wealthy pipe-smokers who would not take the time to >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> clean a pipe to just pull out the aluminum tube and replace it. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> This was another source of regular income for Dunhill, who of >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> course provided the tubes, but did require wealthy customers as >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> aluminum was very expensive in the 1920s and 1930s. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> Cheers! >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> jim b. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> UNIX is not user unfriendly; it merely >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> expects users to be computer-friendly. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> Gentlemen: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> Thanks for all the good info. I am always looking for this type of obscure maker just to see what kind of pipe they put out back then and how it compares with today's pipes. This Emperor pipe is a good smoker, but aesthetically the grain is rather unremarkable overall with a lot of mottled areas on the front of the bowl and some cross-cut horizontal grain on the back. No fills or pits evident. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> I am going to remove the stinger on this one. It is very unusual three-holed job with what I assume is a condenser at the end. Quite involved to keep clean I would assume and you'd think many would just let me gunk up until the draw was impossible. As it is, the draw is very closed--much more so than the old 4-hole Kaywoodies in my collection. So, I figure that the stinger ought to go. Will report back once completed hopefully with some pics for Random. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> Have a good Sunday fellas. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> Furious >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Be forewarned ... I'm actually surprised nobody has yet to mention in >> >>> >> >>> regards to the removal of stingers. They are one of those things that >> >>> >> >>> is best to leave in place and just ignore to the best of your ability >> >>> >> >>> because they are exactly like a mattress tag which we all know is must >> >>> >> >>> not be removed under the penalties of the law. Unfortunately stingers >> >>> >> >>> are so small you must use a micronscope to read the warning so no >> >>> >> >>> matter what you do ... your on your own but be warned that if the pipe >> >>> >> >>> police ever want to charge you, well your on your own and you might be >> >>> >> >>> in serious pipe trouble. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> The last person caught, found guilty and sentenced under the stinger >> >>> >> >>> violation laws was only allowed to posses and smoke burned out cobs >> >>> >> >>> filled with dried out Royal Yack ... and that was not the maximum >> >>> >> >>> sentance either so do as you wish but be warned ... they are out there >> >>> >> >>> watching and if your caught you just might not be happy. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> JtN ©2013 >> >> >> >> JtN: >> >> >> >> Thanks for the wise warning. I just smoked it again and after reading your post, I am going to leave the stinger alone for the time being. Yes, the draw is tight but not too terrible, and it is logical that the pipe should smoke better with it in than removed. >> >> >> >> I have generally been a law-abiding citizen of this Republic, so I am going to heed your warning and leave it in situ. Don't want the stinger police on my case! >> >> >> >> BTW, that reminds me of the movie, Fletch, where Chevy Chase tells some crazy fella who is getting ready to shoot him that the tags are gone on his mattress and that he ought to beat it cause the mattress police are after him. LOL! > > As promised here are a couple of pics: > > http://s1158.photobucket.com/albums/p601/jfury76/?action=view¤t=SU1HLTIwMTMwNDI4LTAwNDE4LmpwZw_zpsfe7d92ca.jpg > > http://s1158.photobucket.com/albums/p601/jfury76/?action=view¤t=SU1HLTIwMTMwNDI4LTAwNDIwLmpwZw_zpsf187a5d6.jpg > Nicely shaped pipe. Too bad about that stinger, I suppose... "the draw is tight but" is a sad thing to have to say, otoh removing the stinger would decrease it's "collector value". What would be even sadder is attempting to remove the stinger and screwing up the tenon; if you're not entirely confident in your ability then by all means leave it alone. I doubt that the pipe police would get you though, if they were going around getting people they'd likely have gotten me a long time ago. <g>
Jim Beard
Apr 29, 2013, 10:21:16 AM4/29/13
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On 04/28/2013 09:31 AM, John Fury wrote:
> I am going to remove the stinger on this one. It is very
unusual three-holed job with what I assume is a condenser
at the end. Quite involved to keep clean I would assume and
you'd think many would just let me gunk up until the draw
was impossible. As it is, the draw is very closed--much
more so than the old 4-hole Kaywoodies in my collection.
So, I figure that the stinger ought to go. Will report back
For completeness, I should mention one circumstance where the
> I am going to remove the stinger on this one. It is very
unusual three-holed job with what I assume is a condenser
at the end. Quite involved to keep clean I would assume and
you'd think many would just let me gunk up until the draw
was impossible. As it is, the draw is very closed--much
more so than the old 4-hole Kaywoodies in my collection.
So, I figure that the stinger ought to go. Will report back
stinger should be left in.
In some pipes, the stinger is part of a threaded extension to the
tenon, that screws into the mortise. Remove the stinger
completely, and you can no longer join the mouthpiece and shank
(without creating some new type of joiner).
In such case, a hacksaw applied just past the threads on the
stinger will work fine. This will disfigure the thing, which
might affect resale value, if any.
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