VERY SAD GAWITH NEWS
Freddy Vegas
with the exception of Full Virginia Flake, 1792, and Best Brown, will no
longer be imported ... at least for now. This dramatic event ... for S.
Gawith lovers like myself ... is directly tied to the fact that there was
not a crop of Zimbabwe tobacco produced that was worth a damn. Zimbabwe
tobacco is a primary tobacco for Gawith production. Gawith has plans to use
some Brazilian and other types of leaf for the next year minimum ... maybe
two ... as a replacement. The "new" tobacco is not even in the same league
... IMO. I recommend that if you're a Gawith smoker do what I just did ...
stock up on your favorite blends. Doesn't have to be from me, just get it
from someone before it's too late. What ever is on the shelves of your
favorite dealers is the last there will be for a long time. Sorry to be the
bearer of bad news but it's better everyone knows now. FV
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"Freddy Vegas" <fredd...@megaforgemedia.com> wrote in message
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Barry S. Ephraim
& Perfection?????
These 3 are my favorite Gawith blends, and I would hate to have to part with
them :-(
Barry.
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Though the room be poor indeed."
Freddy Vegas
No tins are not effected right now. Seems they saw this coming and
made up a very large supply. I feel that without the bulk being available
the tins will sell much faster so you never know. FV
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Mike Jacobs
mpj
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Mike Jacobs
http://www.reliefweb.int/IRIN/sa/countrystories/zimbabwe/20010424.phtml
Mind the word-wrap!
mpj
"Freddy Vegas" <fredd...@megaforgemedia.com> wrote in message
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Jeff Schwartz
Jeff
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Ken Dixon
> "Freddy Vegas" <fredd...@megaforgemedia.com> wrote in message
> news:ZaXi7.2299$aC1.2...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
>>Sad news indeed. It's official ... all bulk Samuel Gawith
> tobaccos,
It was just a matter of time before Mr. Mugabi's land redistributation
farce would start to hit the tobacco market.
This makes me wonder about G&H blends:-(
Ken in Miami
Ken Dixon
Ken Dixon wrote:
"redistribution"
I gotta start using the spell checker;-)
Ken in Miami
Steve Thomas
<fredd...@megaforgemedia.com> (the poor thing) wrote:
>BTW, this includes all ropes too. FV
>"Freddy Vegas" <fredd...@megaforgemedia.com> wrote in message
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>> Sad news indeed. It's official ... all bulk Samuel Gawith
>tobaccos,
>> with the exception of Full Virginia Flake, 1792, and Best Brown, will no
>> longer be imported
WHAT?
WHAT DID HE JUST SAY?
Thank goodness they left the Best Brown Flake alone.
I think I would have had to go jump off a bridge or something.
Steve Thomas
David Mustoe
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Tony Coronado
> Thank goodness they left the Best Brown Flake alone.
> I think I would have had to go jump off a bridge or something.
They would have to pry the Best Brown Flake from my cold dead hands... :)
Tony.
grace christian
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Tony Coronado
Does this include Kendal plug?
Tony.
vegassmokes.com
sniff, FV
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"Tony Coronado" <coro...@dsrah.dsrnet.com> wrote in message
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Steve Thomas
18:55:19 GMT, "vegassmokes.com" <fredd...@megaforgemedia.com>, saw
fit to inscribe and has stated thusly:
> I forgot to mention that ... yes, all plugs are discontinued too. Sniff
>sniff, FV
Rats. This is bad news indeed.
Steve Thomas
Ian Little
Gawith made any similar announcements ?( I am almost afraid to
enquire!)
I have recently added CCP as a favourite. I know it contains
dark fired Vas and Malawi burley - does anyone know if
it includes quality Zimbabwean leaf as part of its constituents.
It isn't clear from the descriptions on synjeco or Sigmunds or
Gawith Hoggarth's own site. Bright CR flake is explicitly
mentioned as containing Zimbabwean leaf as its primary
constituent. My other GH staples are Ennerdale and
occasionally broken #7 or bobs choc.
The news is dreadfully sad indeed.
--Ian.
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David Mustoe
"Ian Little" <ili...@esatclear.ie> wrote in message
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> Someone else mentioned it but have GHC as opposed to Samuel
> Gawith made any similar announcements ?( I am almost afraid to
> enquire!)
I wrote to John at Sigmunds, after reading this thread, and he told me that
he was going to get in touch with John Gawith and see if he could get any
information regarding their tobacco. John (at Sigmunds) will post Gawith's
response in this newsgroup as soon as he gets a reply. John told me that as
far as he knows there isn't a problem yet with the GHC line but, of course,
the future is uncertain.
RC Hamlin/PCCA
what was posted, but more so to look a little deeper as the explanation just
doesn't seem like the whole story.
Fact: Samuel Gawith Tobacco Manufacturing Since 1792 - Zimbabwe tobacco sure
has not been around that long.
Fact: Most Gawith Tobaccos are either flavored or fermented from a Burley
type base, meaning that the raw base product is not as important to the
final product as say a high sugar Virginia would be where the taste is based
on the natural leaf more than the process.
Fact: based on this article
<http://www.reliefweb.int/IRIN/sa/countrystories/zimbabwe/20010424.phtml>
there is not a shortage of Zimbabwe tobacco as much as there is a political
problem with paying a fair price to the growers.
Fact: I know of know full scale tobacco manufacturer or processor, meaning
pipe tobacco using real tobacco, that depends on the current year crop. The
fact is that most manufacturers buy their leaf through brokers who buy at
auctions throughout the world. Raw leaf is not used for pipe tobacco until
its at least a few years old (after auction purchase) with many brokers
storing types of leaf for 10+ years in a dried state. Current crop leaf of
poor grade might be used for cigarette production, but cigarettes do not
depend on the leaf quality to produce a consistent product.
Fact: Based on the original post, "with the exception of Full Virginia
Flake, 1792, and Best Brown, will no longer be imported" the best sellers
are still going to be available and the tins are also going to be available.
My conclusion is that either Samuel Gawith tobaccos or their importer are
worried about the lawyers (or) the slow sellers are going to be discontinued
due to well.... slow sales. IMO all of the items produced by Samuel Gawith
tobaccos will continue to be available in the UK and through international
Web purchase, probably at a higher price, but if you are in love with a
Samuel Gawith tobacco type, I'd guess you can still get it in the future.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out - now if you want....flame
on....
-RCH
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Tony Coronado
tobacco that they are simply reallocating their existing supply to
continue making the most popular blends?
Tony.
Freddy Vegas
You are inferring what with the "whole story" line. I'm lying, how
dare you .... covering the truth ... misleading anyone ( you've accepted
that role) ... someone's pawn ... What? You tell me ... you seem to know
everything. Does your brilliant little expose change what I posted? The fact
remains the same. What are you trying to prove ... some twisted conspiracy
theory. Yes bulk will still be available outside the US ... with the crappy
NEW leaf starting immediately ... that to me IS NOT the same tobacco ...
what does that prove. Yes there is some Zimbabwe tobacco left ... I never
said there wasn't ... but who's going to pay the new strong arm prices ...
not Gawith and certainly not the consumer. Slow sellers? not according to my
POS system. Truth is I'll feel it first. I didn't post for self gain ... I
hoarded a shit load ... I even lowered the price! I feel no need to defend
Gawith or my post which is accurate unless you prove otherwise. It was
simply and innocently a heads up. If you want to conjure up some
controversy, make incriminating statements and try to mislead, that's fine
... maybe your bored.
I know, I know ... don't feed
the Trolls, FV
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Freddy Vegas
the process they use on them will effectively negate the new tobaccos being
used. FV
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"Tony Coronado" <coro...@dsrah.dsrnet.com> wrote in message
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RC Hamlin/PCCA
I was trying to look a the subject in greater detail than what was stated as
today's news. I was NOT in anyway suggesting anything more, and I thought in
the start and the end of my post I made that clear. Wow, you kinda of took
it personal when I was looking at the subject matter ONLY. Why is it that on
THIS newsgroup one can not discuss something without getting people all
upset. Can't say I didn't expect it, but I stand on my comments that there
is more to this story that YOU or any news release was given.
-RCH
"Freddy Vegas" <fredd...@megaforgemedia.com> wrote in message
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> OK Mr. Know it All ... flame on
> You are inferring what with the "whole story" line. I'm lying, how
> dare you .... covering the truth ... misleading anyone ( you've accepted
> that role) ... someone's pawn ... What? You tell me ... you seem to know
> everything. Does your brilliant little expose change what I posted? The
fact
> remains the same. What are you trying to prove ... some twisted conspiracy
> theory.
Snip additional comments....
Freddy Vegas
my last name in a public forum! I don't know, never met you and don't care
to ... yet. What ... you're investigating me? Gonna post my credit card
numbers too? If I wanted the world to know I'd tell the world ... oh I
forgot YOU just did. I thought you know everything ... I guess internet
security isn't one of your specialties. I guess I'll tell my wife to start
carrying the pepper spray again. What a jerk you are.
You made nothing clear at the beginning or end of your statements
except your insinuations, speculations, assumptions and opinions. The
"facts" are not in dispute ... anyone can look them up. Where you trying to
"Discuss" something? ... having read both your posts 5 times I must have
missed that. Clever trolling. So you stand by your accusations ... at least
we know where your head is at ... currently lodged in your ass. FV
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"RC Hamlin/PCCA" <marg...@home.com> wrote in message
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Robert Crim
<fredd...@megaforgemedia.com> wrote:
> Sad news indeed. It's official ... all bulk Samuel Gawith tobaccos,
>with the exception of Full Virginia Flake, 1792, and Best Brown, will no
>longer be imported ... at least for now. This dramatic event ... for S.
>Gawith lovers like myself ... is directly tied to the fact that there was
>not a crop of Zimbabwe tobacco produced that was worth a damn. Zimbabwe
>tobacco is a primary tobacco for Gawith production. Gawith has plans to use
>some Brazilian and other types of leaf for the next year minimum ... maybe
>two ... as a replacement. The "new" tobacco is not even in the same league
>... IMO. I recommend that if you're a Gawith smoker do what I just did ...
>stock up on your favorite blends. Doesn't have to be from me, just get it
>from someone before it's too late. What ever is on the shelves of your
>favorite dealers is the last there will be for a long time. Sorry to be the
>bearer of bad news but it's better everyone knows now. FV
I'm not a Gawith smoker, but this does not compute with what I know of
the situation in Southern Africa.......particularly the occupations of
white farms. I understand the crop this year to be very good and
only about 20% less than last year's big crop. The difference may be
because of the usual variations or it could be partially because of
the occupation/invasions by the "veterans.
The real problem this year seems to be that the farmers are holding
back the crop because of the artificially low exchange rate between
the Zimbabwe $ and the US $. That, coupled with the continuing
demands by the Mugabe regime, that the British Government pay for the
costs of land reforms means that the farmers just ain't gonna sell
their crops for what the buyers want to pay in Zimbabwe $$..
It appears to be a question of pressure politics. The Zim. gov't
needs the money and wants the UK gov't to pay for the politically
popular land reforms. The farmers, most, but not all, are white farm
owners from the "old days", and don't want to sell at roughly half of
what they would get if the currency was truly valued and while the
question of who pays for the reforms and how much is still open.
The Gov't can't revalue their $$ because of the effect that it would
have on the rest of the population when elections are near. Sounds a
lot like election politics in the USA except a lot more law breaking
is involved.
What this means for Gawith and Gawith devotees, I don't know. Most of
the crop in the old Rhodesias goes to big cigarette makers anyway. I
suspect that Gawith is going the way of 3 Nuns, Balkan Sobranie, etc,
etc, ad nauseum, and is slowing down their exports to the potentially
litigious USA market.
But I could be completely full of it too. There is a lot of power
politics and international buck passing going on. I don't think
Gawith figures large in that arena at all.
Just my take on it.
Robert
RC Hamlin/PCCA
*sigh....nevermind.....it's obvious something is wrong (note I did not say
something is wrong with Samuel Gawith tobaccos) when a simple "discussion"
of today's news has to turn into an insult-fest.
-RCH
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Joe Ahearn
I don't know enough about the original topic to have an opinion, but I
must say that compromising someone's identity on the Internet is
reprehensible.
I have dealt with "Freddy Vegas" and have found him to be a honorable
merchant in all respects, a true pleasure to deal with. I will under
no circumstances deal in the future with Bob Hamlin as a result of
this exchange. Security is no joke, and to cavalierly compromise
someone's security on the Internet is unethical in the extreme.
Best,
Joe Ahearn
Jay
>
> I don't know enough about the original topic to have an opinion, but I
> must say that compromising someone's identity on the Internet is
> reprehensible.
>
> I have dealt with "Freddy Vegas" and have found him to be a honorable
> merchant in all respects, a true pleasure to deal with. I will under
> no circumstances deal in the future with Bob Hamlin as a result of
> this exchange. Security is no joke, and to cavalierly compromise
> someone's security on the Internet is unethical in the extreme.
>
> Best,
> Joe Ahearn
>
Joe,
You beat me to it. That a person would compromise another's identity
and then refer to it as a "polite use of the last name"
is...mindboggling. Where was this guy when we had the thread on
manners? The barbarians really *are* at the gates.
To RCH, or the troll operating under that name:
You, sir, are a troll. But I am willing to give you the benefit of the
doubt and risk feeding you, on the off chance that you are genuinely
surprised that your posts repeatedly blow up in your face and you do not
understand how and why you are a troll.
Fact #1: your list of "facts" was the most pejorative, spiteful,
egotistical piece of crap dumped on this normally congenial ng in a long
time. I suggest you begin rereading your posts *before* you post them.
If that does not help with your singular difficulty, I refer you the the
sections dealing with tone in in any standard college writing handbook;
I personally find Simon and Schuester to be the most lucid, but I can
highly recommend _The Bedford Handbook_ as well. I also recommend you
read Strunk and White, _The Elements of Style_ in its entirety.
As regards the present situation: a much better way to have phrased
your response would have been something along the lines of, "Thank you
for apprising us the imminent demise of so many popular blends. Time to
stock up. I wonder, though, if there isn't more at stake. Something
smells really fishy, and what SD told you doesn't seem to exactly mesh
with the facts as we know them..."
For a more in-depth example, please see Robert Crim's post to the
original thread, which expressed many of your doubts, but in a way that
did not share your open antagonism for. The key here is understanding
that your argument is not with FV, but rather with what he was told by
S. Gawith, & Co. I realize that this is a subtle distinction, but it is
nonetheless important.
Fact #2: It is difficult to believe that you are unaware of the fact
that you are simply the most abrasive to Grace ASP in recent memory.
This leads people to the assumption that you must be purposely
inflicting yourself on ASP in order to generate an angry response.
Hence, you have been labeled a troll by more than on ASPer. that you
seem to be a reputable business man and upstanding member of the pipe
community outside of ASP makes your behavior here all the more
bewildering and frustrating.
Fact #3: FV *does* have a last name, and on the net he is Mr. Vegas to
you (and the rest of us). Again, the fact that this is basic
netiquette, and that the proscription against revealing a person's true
identity is easily the strongest taboo in our on-line culture--on par
with the incest taboo in physical cultures--lead to the suspicion that
you are, indeed a troll, as your success as a business man would seem to
preclude the only other option--that you are a complete moron.
Fact #4: Before you present a statement as a fact, you ought to check
to make sure that it is correct. Many of yours were not.
Smoke in peace (and try to keep the peace),
--jay
John Perkowski
Gawith ropes as well?
John
David Mustoe
> Fact: Samuel Gawith Tobacco Manufacturing Since 1792 - Zimbabwe tobacco
sure
> has not been around that long.
What's your point? And I'm sure that if SG was manufacturing their blends
from tobacco coming out of the former US colony in 1792 then those blends
were different from those today.
> Fact: Most Gawith Tobaccos are either flavored or fermented from a Burley
> type base, meaning that the raw base product is not as important to the
> final product as say a high sugar Virginia would be where the taste is
based
> on the natural leaf more than the process.
I don't know what varieties these Zimbabwean tobaccos are. I've heard that
they're a type of burley but I've also heard that they're a type of
Virginia. The Synjeco site lists the SG ropes as being all Virginia.
Perhaps they grow both there and perhaps mixtures of both are included in
the various blends. However, the implication of your statement seems to be
that because some SG tobaccos are flavored the base tobacco is irrelevant to
the final product. So could Captain Black produce an identical product so
long as they used a Gawith type flavoring? I would find that hard to
believe as I would find it hard to believe that the unflavored ropes, such
as Brown and Black, could be replicated from an American grown burley. As
many know who've tried them, Gawith tobaccos are distinguished by other
things than just a flavoring. The ultimate implication of your statement
seems to be that changing the tobacco in any brand won't produce a
noticeable difference between the two incarnations - if the blend is
flavored, cased or has something to do with burley.
>My conclusion is that either Samuel Gawith >tobaccos or their importer are
>worried about the lawyers (or) the slow sellers are >going to be
discontinued
>due to well.... slow sales.
In this case, that seems to me an unnecessarily complicated way of
withdrawing a product from the market, i.e., making up a story about why
your withdrawing it as opposed to simply saying that it doesn't do well in
this particular market. I don't see where SG would have something to be
ashamed about if they can't seem to push their blends in this particular
market.
Ian Rastall
> Smoke in peace (and try to keep the peace)
>
Jay, I'll have to say it again, please don't feed the trolls. I'm dealing
with one on another board right now, and I'm at the point where I have to
send abuse reports to Hotmail and his ISP. You could try going that
route, as what he did was akin to posting someone else's address online,
but as Jon pointed out, it's already in Freddy's WHOIS information, so it
probably wouldn't do any good.
Ian
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Freddy Vegas
human being. There's a big difference between Internic and Usenet dirtbag.
You want war ... you got it. You said you're coming to Vegas ... perfect
chance for you to say that to my face.... if you got the balls. FV
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> On Wednesday 29 August 2001 06:20 pm, Uncle Wally
> (fredd...@megaforgemedia.com) turned up his hearing aid and yelled at
> the kids:
>
> > Now you just opened a whole nuther can of worms. How dare you
post
> > my last name in a public forum! I don't know, never met you and don't
care
> > to ... yet. What ... you're investigating me? Gonna post my credit card
> > numbers too? If I wanted the world to know I'd tell the world ... oh I
> > forgot YOU just did. I thought you know everything ... I guess internet
> > security isn't one of your specialties. I guess I'll tell my wife to
start
> > carrying the pepper spray again. What a jerk you are.
> > You made nothing clear at the beginning or end of your
statements
> > except your insinuations, speculations, assumptions and opinions. The
> > "facts" are not in dispute ... anyone can look them up. Where you trying
> > to "Discuss" something? ... having read both your posts 5 times I must
> > have missed that. Clever trolling. So you stand by your accusations ...
at
> > least we know where your head is at ... currently lodged in your ass. FV
>
> Christ almight Freddy, shut the fuck up! If you don't want the world to
> know your last name, you shouldn't have put it in the InterNIC database.
> YOU made it public, don't forget that.
>
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Briarroot
Not about the various possible reasons for Gawith's product
distribution because I expect that from businesses, but at
the awesome amount of vitriol suddenly released as a result
of Mr. Hamlin's posts. I took his initial post as an attempt
to offer some facts in place of speculation. Why Freddy V
went ballistic because of that leaves me scratching my head.
There must be some history between them that I'm missing.
The subsequent post in which Mr. Hamlin used Freddy V's real
last name was, in my opinion, totally innocuous. Joe Ahearn
flamed him for "...compromising someone's identity..." and Jay
posted about the "...proscription against revealing a person's
true identity..." What compromise? What proscription? What
the heck are you guys talking about? I've been using the nets
since 1990 and I find Mr. Hamlin's use of Freddy's surname to
be in no sense, out of bounds. How can using a person's real
last name be in any way compromising? I already knew Fred's
last name anyway, and how could an someone take that single
isolated fact in a post use it in any way criminal or immoral?
So what's the big deal? I use my real name at the end of every
post, many here use their own in the headers. This is not
unusual, nor in any sense "compromising." Time for everyone
to settle down and apply some cool logic.
I found Mr. Hamlin's post (with link to the article) to be
informative and interesting, and I would like to publicly thank
him for posting it. Especially since he seemed to know that just
by offering it he would he royally reamed. I found it in no way
insulting to Freddy, nor did it seem to me to insulting to those
who previously made comments in the other thread. I have no
personal relationship with any of the parties in this thread and
I have no axe to grind. I have done business with Vegassmokes
before and perhaps I will again in the future. As for RC Hamlin,
I hope he continues to post here despite the flamers, we need
more information not less; anyone who has something to offer
should be welcome.
So let's end this flame-fest, now. Please!
Regards,
Tim Parker ... VA#1 in a Tinsky sandblast lovat
(yes - my real name!)
Freddy Vegas
I'm not concerned about what my customers think about my posts and based on
the emails I've received they aren't either. Who in they're right mind would
condemn me for defending myself again an attack by a low life like you. Your
a clever little boy with all the assumed name crap ... like all that
nonsense matters. Freddy Vegas is a nickname I've carried with me for over
10 years ... I don't hide behind it ... I'm proud of it. You say their is no
difference between Usenet and internic ... Usenet is the den of stalker,
trolls, netkooks and spammers ... and dirtbags like yourself. Get a job, FV
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"Jon Tillman" <j...@eruditum.org> wrote in message
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> On Wednesday 29 August 2001 08:38 pm, Uncle Wally
> (fredd...@megaforgemedia.com) turned up his hearing aid and yelled at
> the kids:
>
> > Who do you think you're talking to you despicable excuse for
a
> > human being. There's a big difference between Internic and Usenet
dirtbag.
> > You want war ... you got it. You said you're coming to Vegas ... perfect
> > chance for you to say that to my face.... if you got the balls. FV
>
> Freddy,
> I sure am glad you have decided to show your customers this charming side
> of yourself. There is no difference between posting your last name and
> address in one publicly available place and having it show up in another.
I
> couldn't quite figure out why someone would want/need to hide behind a
> 'public image' and an assumed name, but after your last post, I guess I
can
> see why. Speaking of balls, why didn't you have enough guts to post under
> your own name?
Mike Jacobs
;-) mpj
Freddy Vegas
give a head up. Real innocent. So I'm not a Zimbabwe expert ... I never
claimed to be. All I know is I smoke more Gawith than any other tobacco and
the news hit me a bit hard. It was an innocent post. They told me a bunch of
reasoning why they are not going to use the Zimbabwe. Bad crop years and
increased prices were the ones that stuck in my mind. I never should have
mentioned Zimbabwe and all this never would have happened.
I didn't exactly go "ballistic". I read What's his name's post and
it reeked of me hiding something or misleading people or worst. If he wanted
to "discuss" like he said the post would have read "Here's some more info,
in detail about the Zimbabwe situation" but instead he choose a different
tact.
I am *very* sensitive about my personal info being on the net ...
especially Usenet. Having a presence on the net like I do opens me up to all
sorts of attacks. I received 53 Sircam attempts in one week, I'm had people
posing to be me attempt to get into my server using my name and once had an
imposter contact the card company I use for the site to get info from them.
What if they had been successful? I'd be finished. "Sorry" wouldn't fix the
problem of 1000s of my customers info getting out. I feel that people
trusting me with their info is sort of a sacred trust that I have to protect
at all costs. What if someone wants to rob me? Maybe I'm paranoid but I've
seen bad things happen already. I have a hardware firewall too. Now John T
decides to post my personal address and phone #. What is that about? Too me
that is just about the worst thing that anyone has ever done to me in recent
years. Should I lay down and roll over ... I don't think so. What if
something happens to my wife and kid because of that. I'm still shocked. But
as his hurtful action has pointed out ... the info was out there. If he had
any class and dignity he would have emailed me and told me so I could do
something about it ... not post it. I made that entry about 3 days after I
got my first computer. I made a mistake because I didn't know any better
then but it's something that I can correct with one phone call. I don't even
know John ... I even invited him over when he came to town. I don't know
what I ever did no him or what he was trying to prove but I find what he did
disgusting and an act that could have potential harmful consequence for me
and my family.
I'll heed your request for a cease fire out of respect for you and
others but right now I'm outraged and hurt. All this cause I said some
tobacco is going away. Maybe it's more additive than we think. Maybe next
time I'll keep my mouth shut. FV
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D Quisenberry
tobak from you before the year is out so your Dallas Regional Projections
will not be cratered for 2001...
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Freddy Vegas
on my part? We're not sitting in someone's livingroom ya know. Sure there
are 100s of way to get info on someone using a computer but why make it
easy? I subscribe to Equifax for business reasons ... believe me I can find
out just about everything except what someone had for breakfast. Would I
post that info ... no ... would I ever discuss it ... no. But that's me. You
still don't get my point about Usenet (mostly outside of ASP) being full of
wackos do you. Do you hang in any others besides this one? I'd rather be in
a room full of my worst enemies than a room full of the garden variety
Usenet kooks I've seem out there. Hopefully you'll never have a person cyber
stalker.
JOB? You mean the job I offered you via email that you never had the
decency to reply to?, you mean my attempt to help someone that might have
been a friend?, you mean that 6 figure opportunity I offered to you in spite
of the fact that I don't even know you? Oh, that one .... it's been filled.
FV
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"Jon Tillman" <j...@eruditum.org> wrote in message
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> On Wednesday 29 August 2001 09:03 pm, Uncle Wally
> (fredd...@megaforgemedia.com) turned up his hearing aid and yelled at
> the kids:
>
> > I am charming but I have no tolerance for dirtbags like
yourself.
>
> You attack someone for addressing you by a name you had used to identify
> yourself to him, and you call me a dirtbag?
>
> > I'm not concerned about what my customers think about my posts and based
> > on the emails I've received they aren't either. Who in they're right
mind
> > would condemn me for defending myself again an attack by a low life like
> > you.
>
> How you can construe any of my posts as an attack is beyond me. I just
> pointed out (in language I have already apoligized for), that the
> information you were blasting someone for posting was already available
> online to anyone who wanted it. Hell, even if they didn't know about
> InterNIC, they could ask for the public records in Las Vegas for your
> business license...
>
> > Your a clever little boy with all the assumed name crap ... like all
> > that nonsense matters. Freddy Vegas is a nickname I've carried with me
for
> > over 10 years ... I don't hide behind it ... I'm proud of it. You say
> > their is no difference between Usenet and internic ... Usenet is the den
> > of stalker, trolls, netkooks and spammers ... and dirtbags like
yourself.
>
> You are overlooking the simple fact that anyone with access to usenet also
> has access to interNIC, which, I believe, was my point.
>
> > Get a job, FV
>
> I got one, thanks, but I guess that means that the one you offered me is
> filled?
Charles Perry P.E.
Well, if nothing else this thread has reduced the number of places I have to
look when shopping. Jeez.
Charles Perry P.E.
Bear Graves
"Charles Perry P.E." wrote:
Ok, now that post is up for this weeks "Cubby" award. Manages to work humor and
a point at the same time....
--
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"Gate, gate, paragate, parasam gate, Bodhisatva"
-Heart Sutra
BKTONEY
original post appeared. I knew it was something different, but as Freddy
said in one of his, sorry, but call it what it was, diatribes, the end
result is the same so I was going to just let it go. But when bob got
attacked as brutally as he did, I felt it was time to speak up.
You may recall I mentioned recently I'm always calling people in the
business, keeping my ear to the ground, trying to find out all I can about
the business AND HOBBY that I love. I can tell you that I have it from the
most reliable source possible that the decision to stop importing MOST of
the bulk and ropes came down to two issues; quality control and sales.
Simply put, too much of it goes moldy and too much of it sits. How much the
current situation with Zimbabwean tobacco has to do with the quality control
I can't say for sure, but my personal opinion would be not much. I know a
lot of tobacco people and I can tell you that the ones who make the stuff
most of us consider good aren't depending on this year's, or for that
matter, next year's crop to make or break their blends. If you want to taste
some blends made with improperly aged tobacco I could suggest a couple,
but...
As for Bob using Freddy's last name, it obviously was a big deal to Freddy,
but I'm willing to bet Bob didn't know that when he did it. Heck, many of us
know Freddy's name from shows and other ways. I've just never seen any
reason to call him anything but Freddy in a public forum. I'll admit if he'd
jumped down my throat like he did Bob's I would probably have addressed him
in a formal manner, assuming I didn't reply to him privately and use
language that would be better left private.
Bob Hamlin and I certainly don't always see eye to eye on things, but that
could be said about a lot of people and how they interact. I think we both
have a degree of respect for each other as professionals who dedictate
ourselves to the tobacco business, but I won't presume to speak for Bob. I
could say exactly the same thing about Freddy. I don't know what his intent
was with the original post so I won't speculate on it publicly since
speculation is all it would be. So, in closing I guess I would just like to
make two laast points, or comments.
1) GROW UP before people start to think pipe smokers AREN'T one of the true
last bastions of civility.
2) If you like any of the Gawith tobaccos that are going to be dropped, go
ahead and put some back. There's plenty out there to be had and it could be
awhile before we see it again readily available except by order from
England. But when I say there's plenty available for now, trust me, you
aren't going to see it all disappear by the end of the month. Remember the
Escudo scare?
Oh yeah, as for G&H, I haven't heard word one about it not being available,
except for the fact we're buying it and smoking it so fast John has a hard
time getting enough in.
And REALLY one last thing; did anyone stop to think WHY if it was totally
due to bad tobacco, the blends that are going away in bulk will still be
readily available in tins?
Regards,
Keith T (and that's short for Toney, by the way)
Ian Rastall
(nbe...@stjohnschurch.org) uttered:
> Isn't it wonderful how smoking a pipe nurtures one's patient,
> reflective, considerate nature?
>
That's it, buddy! I've had just about enough of you!
<plonk>
Ian :)
Bear Graves
Ned Benson wrote:
> Isn't it wonderful how smoking a pipe nurtures one's patient,
> reflective, considerate nature?
>
> --
> Dr. Ned H. Benson
> St. John's Presbyterian Church
> 1070 West Plumb Lane
> Reno NV 89509
> http://www.stjohnschurch.org
One more remark like that and I'll kiiiilllll.....
<sorry>
Ian Rastall
> reflective, considerate nature?
>
I shouldn't joke. It's actually a really good point. I've been as guilty
of this lately as anyone. I feel like I've been coming into this ng with
kevlar on. Sorry to participate in all the nonsense.
BC in the travellin' pipe
Ian
Pādraig the Younger
as a thoughtful, logical one. To him, the reasons given by Gawith to Freddy
Vegas didn't explain the end result. His "facts" were merely his reasons for
his doubts about the alleged cause of the end result (result being no more
of certain bulk Gawith in US). To me, FV's response seemed irrational and
personal and I was completely surprised by the flamewar that ensued...
--
Wizard's Sixth Rule: "The most important rule there is, the Wizard's Sixth
Rule: the only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason." - Faith of
the Fallen
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Patrick McCook
"BKTONEY" <bkeit...@home.com> wrote in message
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Freddy Vegas
intent to explain anything to anyone concerning the demise. All the post was
was a quick shout to my friends about some news I was wound up about. That's
all it was to me anyway. Obviously is wasn't some scripted plan ... it was
just a note to my friends. I really didn't apply much thought to it at all.
Maybe I was wrong for not taking the news and posting it more seriously like
it was a Press Release but I didn't feel it was my responsibility ... it's
not. The news has been out there for weeks ... I just got final word 30
seconds before I posted. To me I was just talking to my friends. Maybe I
should have taken the situation more seriously ... I thought a lot of people
already knew ... if I was wrong for how lightly I took the announcement I
truly apologize to everyone. I'll think twice next time. Gawith is my
personal favorite so I took it personal and spontaneous ... won't happen
again. FV
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Freddy Vegas
> think, and if it is a wake-up call for anyone, then I am glad. If you have
> ever registered a website, your contact info is publiclly available. Where
> it goes after that is completely out of your control. End of story.
Not exactly true ... where it WAS posted was in YOUR control ... at least in
this case, which in my opinion was malicious, terroristic, uncalled for and
unforgivable ... all for you to prove some point at my expense?! All it
proved is you can't be trusted. From this event I hope all the innocent,
unsuspecting people in YOUR database realize this ASAP.
> > JOB? You mean the job I offered you via email that you never had
> > the
> > decency to reply to?, you mean my attempt to help someone that might
have
> > been a friend?, you mean that 6 figure opportunity I offered to you in
> > spite of the fact that I don't even know you? Oh, that one .... it's
been
> > filled. FV
>
> Yes, the job I responded to you about via email, like the emails I sent
you
> concerning buying empty tins from you, and the emails I have sent you in
> the past inquiring about products you carry. All emails that never saw the
> light of day.
I just did a search in my archives for any message from you asking about
products and found that you never sent any. Nor a response about the job. I
do however have your email about the 600 free tins I had. You had asked me
to send the free tins to you with me paying the $145 postage till you "got
some money" ... a request that was both outrageous and not deserving of a
response. FV
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"Jon Tillman" <j...@eruditum.org> wrote in message
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> On Wednesday 29 August 2001 10:07 pm, Uncle Wally
> (fredd...@megaforgemedia.com) turned up his hearing aid and yelled at
> the kids:
>
> > And you couldn't have emailed me personally so I could fix the
> > oversight on my part?
>
> See below.
>
> > We're not sitting in someone's livingroom ya know. Sure there
> > are 100s of way to get info on someone using a computer but why make it
> > easy?
>
> I dunno? Ask the people who put all of our contact info in a giant
database
> and made it available to the whole world.
>
> > I subscribe to Equifax for business reasons ... believe me I can
> > find out just about everything except what someone had for breakfast.
> > Would I post that info ... no ... would I ever discuss it ... no. But
> > that's me. You still don't get my point about Usenet (mostly outside of
> > ASP) being full of wackos do you.
>
> I understand your point about usenet Freddy. The point I am trying to make
> is that any nutjob roving usenet looking for victims knows about internic,
> hell, anyone with a website knows about internic. It isn't a secret.
Anyone
> could have looked up your contact info. As far as getting it out of there,
> I do wish you luck. I have tried unsuccessfully to get them to update
> records just to reflect current and correct information, and they can be
> painfully slow.
>
> > Do you hang in any others besides this
> > one? I'd rather be in a room full of my worst enemies than a room full
of
> > the garden variety Usenet kooks I've seem out there. Hopefully you'll
> > never have a person cyber stalker.
>
> Sure Freddy, I have been using usenet for a while now, so I am familiar
> with the garden variety net.kooks and the legendary net.kooks such as
Kibo.
> Hell, ASP has had a visit or two from net.kooks, who have gone so far as
to
> try to get my websites, internet access, etc shut down, and they ALWAYS
> threaten legal action.
>
> > JOB? You mean the job I offered you via email that you never had
> > the
> > decency to reply to?, you mean my attempt to help someone that might
have
> > been a friend?, you mean that 6 figure opportunity I offered to you in
> > spite of the fact that I don't even know you? Oh, that one .... it's
been
> > filled. FV
>
> Yes, the job I responded to you about via email, like the emails I sent
you
> concerning buying empty tins from you, and the emails I have sent you in
> the past inquiring about products you carry. All emails that never saw the
> light of day.
>
> In conclusion Freddy, I want to apologize for being mean-spirited. I could
> have tried a gentler way, and probably should have, but I made my point, I
> think, and if it is a wake-up call for anyone, then I am glad. If you have
> ever registered a website, your contact info is publiclly available. Where
> it goes after that is completely out of your control. End of story.
Freddy Vegas
there's no such thing. I hope everyone who is in your database realizes how
lightly you take their information and that you'll post it to prove a point.
Do you sell their email address? Maybe give them away? After all anyone can
find out anyway right. Maybe that's why you're doing the ASP projects. Damn
you're a creepy dude.
As far as your emails to me .... I just did a search in my archives for any
message from you asking about products and found that you never sent any.
Nor a response about the job. Nice lie ... oh ... I mean try. I do however
have your email about the 600 free tins I had. You had asked me to send the
free tins to you with me paying the $145 postage till you "got some money"
yeah right ... a request that was both outrageous, insulting and not
deserving of a response. FV
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"Jon Tillman" <j...@eruditum.org> wrote in message
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> On Wednesday 29 August 2001 09:49 pm, Uncle Wally
> (fredd...@megaforgemedia.com) turned up his hearing aid and yelled at
> the kids:
>
> <snip>
> > firewall too. Now John T decides to post my personal address and phone
#.
> > What is that about? Too me that is just about the worst thing that
anyone
> > has ever done to me in recent years. Should I lay down and roll over ...
I
> > don't think so. What if something happens to my wife and kid because of
> > that. I'm still shocked. But as his hurtful action has pointed out ...
the
> > info was out there. If he had any class and dignity he would have
emailed
> > me and told me so I could do something about it ... not post it. I made
> > that entry about 3 days after I got my first computer. I made a mistake
> > because I didn't know any better then but it's something that I can
> > correct with one phone call. I don't even know John ... I even invited
him
> > over when he came to town. I don't know what I ever did no him or what
he
> > was trying to prove but I find what he did disgusting and an act that
> > could have potential harmful consequence for me and my family.
> <snip>
>
> 1) I don't think that the address I posted: "The Smoke Shop, 1620 South
> Decatur Blvd, Suite C, Las Vegas , NV 89102" is your home address. I think
> it is the address of your business, and likewise the telephone numbers,
> which are listed in your 'contact us' page on your site. You can be mad at
> me for what I did, but don't make a liar out of yourself trying to make me
> look worse than I am.
>
> 2) I am sorry that this is such a shock and horror to you, but in a way, I
> am glad that I am the one that brought it to your attention, as I am not a
> stalker, kook, or any other epitath appended to me during this fracas.
> BEtter you find out in a relatively safe group, from someone who uses the
> X-No-Archive header.
>
> 3) As far as emailing it to you, I will just quote your website:
>
> " PLEASE NOTE THAT DUE TO THE EXTREMELY HIGH VOLUME OF EMAIL WE RECEIVE ON
> A DAILY BASIS (100 +), THE CAN BE A LAG TIME OF 1 TO SEVERAL DAYS IN
> RESPONDING TO CERTAIN EMAILS"
>
> "Due to an Internal office hard drive failure, our entire email database
> was lost. If you have sent an email within the last 30 days, please
resend
> your inquiry. Very sorry for the inconvenience."
>
> Much like the job offer I responded to from you, or the empty tins I tried
> to buy from you before that, I didn't want the message to dissapear
forever
> into the black hole that is email at vegassmokes.com
shelkoh...@earthlink.net
No shit, Charles, I'm with you. WTF is with these guys? I haven't
finished reading the whole thread, and probably won't at this point.
Freddy's post was interesting, Bob's added info, and then the shit hit
the fan and the posses lined up. Exactly what is at stake here that is
important? The information is decent, the rest is crap.
Take a chill pill guys, this ain't worth it
I'm back to lurking.
Shel
Shaking his head and wondering what motivates otherwise seemingly
reasonable and knowledgeable members who contribute a lot to this
community to decide that they want to have a shootout in the middle of
my peaceful town.
Jeff Schwartz
news:3b8e377c...@news.earthlink.net...
snip...
> Shel
> Shaking his head and wondering what motivates otherwise seemingly
> reasonable and knowledgeable members who contribute a lot to this
> community to decide that they want to have a shootout in the middle of
> my peaceful town.
What motivates otherwise seemingly reasonable and knowledgeable members who
contribute a lot to this community to decide that they want to have a
shoot-out (figuratively, speaking, I'm sure)?
A lot of reasons, Shel, that come to my mind. For instance, the economic
downturn, just having a bad day, a headache, hemorrhoids, constipation,
tainted food, a bounced check, a frightening road incident, an argument with
their significant other, they haven't gotten laid in a while, the turmoil
in the Middle East, the insecurity of the Social Security fund, their egos,
their ids, nose hairs (I hate them things LOL), etc. I can go on and on as I
am sure you realize by now but that would merely serve to belabor my point
which is: I don't think we should all get too down on these guys. After all,
I am sure all of them are fine, decent people. In fact, I am sure they are
all people of high integrity and that they just got caught up in the heat of
the moment. Heck, we have all been guilty of that at one time or another. I
know I sure have. It seems, from the most recent posts, that they themselves
are realizing this as well.
Jeff
shelkoh...@earthlink.net
I understand the human end of it. If I wasn't the
always-reasonable sort of personality that I am (yeah, right, I'm sure
my wife agrees), then I too might be engaged in this particular
dust-up. I've done business very happily with Bob and Freddy, and
might do so again. While they got a little testy with each other, I
can handle that, as long as it is issue-oriented as opposed to
name-calling. I deal with intelligent and impassioned argument every
day, and I enjoy it. Pointing out weaknesses in someone else's
arguments, or exposing possible reasons (such as an economic stake)
that my lie behind someone's position, is fair game in letting other
people make their own judgments.
But pause and re-read before you hit the "send" button (not
you personally, Jeff, just "you" in general; we gotta be real careful
around here these days); your spelling will be a whole lot better, and
you might just tone it down a little. If you were in front of your
spouse and kids and parents, and someone said something stupid or
offensive to you (I'm not talking aobut threats of physical harm),
would you pull the verbal trigger that fast? Probably not. But you
(again not you, Jeff, but "you" generally) show up on ASP and all
self-control seems to get tossed out the window, at least for some of
the participants.
Hey, we all have our hot buttons, but who wants to listen to
the playground BS?
The brick and mortar thread was ASP at its best. This was ASP
at its worst.
Shel
Mark Tinsky
Howard L. Sheppard
Shel,
Those are excellent thoughts! I couldn't have said it better (therefore, I
won't try :-))
By letting this original war start, we (meaning ASP) basically proved RCH's
point for him, didn't we?
I have read at length the reasons NOT to leave ASP in disgust and stop
posting when something ticks us off. That's why I never left - I just read
a helluva lot more than I post these days... Unfortunately, that is not the
case with MANY extremely knowledgeable and respected individuals in this
hobby. I've met many fine folks through ASP, and I would like to think
that I've made a few personal friends along the way. I just accept the fact
that I'm not going to always agree with everyone because it's just not
possible. I try to keep in mind that, after all, this is supposed to be an
enjoyable pastime and I don't find anything enjoyable becoming embroiled in
a blood pressure-spiking flame fest! Overall, this is *STILL* the most
civil Usenet group that I know of on a consistent basis. It can just be
difficult to remember that when we're all bent out of shape.
I think that most of us can agree that ASP has changed a whole lot in the
last few years, for better and for worse. I'm not getting nostalgic, or
anything, it's just a fact. That's life. People come into and go out of
our lives everyday...
That said, I'll be the first one to admit that I don't like change much.
Like you said earlier: "The information is decent, the rest is crap." If
we just concentrate on the former, the latter will take care of itself.
--
Howard L. Sheppard
hlsheppard (at) home.com
Mingkahuna
Buzz
Terry McGinty
"Ned Benson" wrote in message
> Isn't it wonderful how smoking a pipe nurtures one's patient,
> reflective, considerate nature?
Ah, yes. Can you imangine how volutile this thread would be if we
weren't smoking pipes? ;-)
On the other hand perhaps the most heated posts were created during a
period of NOT pipe smoking, and I would guess that was the case.
Regards, Terry
Mark Lathem
> Now you just opened a whole nuther can of worms. How dare you post
>my last name in a public forum! I don't know, never met you and don't care
>to ... yet. What ... you're investigating me? Gonna post my credit card
>numbers too? If I wanted the world to know I'd tell the world ...
Mr. Frederick Brown *did* tell the world:
http://www.whois.net/search.cgi2?str=vegassmokes.com
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Joe Ahearn
> The brick and mortar thread was ASP at its best. This was ASP
>at its worst.
> Shel
>
Absolutely agreed.
j.
Mark Lathem
Freddy Vegas
"Mark Lathem" <markl...@usa.net> wrote in message
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Joseph H. Kovacic
Joseph
John Weatherby
will affect the Gawaith snuff's as well. It is bad enough going without some
of my favorite pipe tobaccos for that period, I hope the snuff isn't gone as
well.
"Freddy Vegas" <fredd...@megaforgemedia.com> wrote in message
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> Sad news indeed. It's official ... all bulk Samuel Gawith
tobaccos,
> with the exception of Full Virginia Flake, 1792, and Best Brown, will no
> longer be imported ... at least for now. This dramatic event ... for S.
> Gawith lovers like myself ... is directly tied to the fact that there was
> not a crop of Zimbabwe tobacco produced that was worth a damn. Zimbabwe
> tobacco is a primary tobacco for Gawith production. Gawith has plans to
use
> some Brazilian and other types of leaf for the next year minimum ... maybe
> two ... as a replacement. The "new" tobacco is not even in the same league
> ... IMO. I recommend that if you're a Gawith smoker do what I just did ...
> stock up on your favorite blends. Doesn't have to be from me, just get it
> from someone before it's too late. What ever is on the shelves of your
> favorite dealers is the last there will be for a long time. Sorry to be
the
> bearer of bad news but it's better everyone knows now. FV
vegassmokes.com
the answer was no, all snuff will keep being imported. FV
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"John Weatherby" <jjwea...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Lothar Winands
We aim in the following to dispel any mis-interpretations and worries
with regard to our supplies of tobacco and nasal snuff.
Firstly, our business is the manufacture of tobacco and nasal snuff,
and as such we are more than happy to export our complete range of
products to the United States, or anywhere in the world, provided
there is a demand. We have not taken any decisions to exclude any or
some of our products from any market.
Secondly, with regard to the subject of Zimbabwe leaf, we are not
aware of any problems with supply of leaf from this, or any other
country.
We have not, as a company, previously observed the postings on ASP.
With such a lively exchange,we have obviously missed out on a lot! We
would like to take this opportunity to thank all those concerned
individuals and members of the trade in a variety of countries, who
have been in touch with us with regard to the recent postings, for
their time, concern and effort.
Graham Forrest, Managing Director
Samuel Gawith & Company Limited.
www.samuelgawith.co.uk
Jeff Schwartz
I am a big fan of FVF and as such I would be very sad to see this wonderful
flake disappear from the American market. What great tobacco you produce.
Thank you for visiting with us.
Jeff
"Lothar Winands" <eurant...@econophone.ch> wrote in message
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exception of FVF, Best Brown and 1792 will no longer be imported into the
US. Thank you Graham for stating that you are willing to export but please
confirm and state that the above statement is true AND the fact that you
will be using other tobaccos in your production. FV
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"Lothar Winands" <eurant...@econophone.ch> wrote in message
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