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WOTF on DVD! ***** out of 5!

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iDRMRSR

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Sep 7, 2004, 8:23:32 PM9/7/04
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I've done it! I've sat down and watched Stang's World of the Future from
bumper to trailer. I think the fact that it is on DVD genuinely helped me,
plus I think that this place I am in at this spot of my miserable life has
finally moved beyond the shit that so creeped me out when I last saw the VHS
copy.

It could be that the improved resolution, sound sync, and added footage has
taken out all the psychotic barbs that used to twang my branestem. Well, I
did "study up" for this event by watching earlier (for the first time) a
tape of El Topo that I bought off the internet. I was READY.

Lynch, Svankmeyer, Jodorowsky, eat your fucking hearts out. You have
NOTHING to offer the world that Ivan Stang hadn't thought of years earlier,
when he was sporting a BUTCH haircut. WOTF is one thing, but the other
masturpiece is the 1965 horror flick, HUMAN ANIMAL.

It's as least as good as the last 300 "horror movies" I've seen, though the
budget he must have had to work with was, ummm, constraining to say the
least. Too bad he could not have afforded an UNBROKEN crayon to use to make
the titles. Still, that's a pretty advanced movie for a bunch of 13 year
olds to have made, including the short claymation scene.

What, I must ask, did they use for BLOOD?

And one other question, just who the hell is Charlie Muck, really?

I rate this WAY better than 50-50 on a scale of 1 to 10! All I have to say,
is there are some LUCKY companies on this planet to have had Stang edit
their industrial films.

[*]
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Rev. Ivan Stang

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Sep 7, 2004, 10:46:18 PM9/7/04
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In article <rq-dnad4Woy...@giganews.com>, iDRMRSR
<idr...@sssssubgenius.com> wrote:

> I've done it! I've sat down and watched Stang's World of the Future from
> bumper to trailer. I think the fact that it is on DVD genuinely helped me,
> plus I think that this place I am in at this spot of my miserable life has
> finally moved beyond the shit that so creeped me out when I last saw the VHS
> copy.

You're SICK!!!


>
> It could be that the improved resolution, sound sync, and added footage has
> taken out all the psychotic barbs that used to twang my branestem. Well, I
> did "study up" for this event by watching earlier (for the first time) a
> tape of El Topo that I bought off the internet. I was READY.

Funny you should say that, I was copying FANDO & LIS and the
documentary about Jodorowsky just today! So you can have that one back.

Wasn't copy-protected at all!

>
> Lynch, Svankmeyer, Jodorowsky, eat your fucking hearts out. You have
> NOTHING to offer the world that Ivan Stang hadn't thought of years earlier,
> when he was sporting a BUTCH haircut. WOTF is one thing, but the other
> masturpiece is the 1965 horror flick, HUMAN ANIMAL.

I was truly hoping somebody would say that! So THANKS! I probably won't
be cranky for days this time.

Actually I had a BLAST chopping up old Universal horror movie music to
match Human Animal. When I was finished and watched it all the way
through, I laughed my ass off.

>
> It's as least as good as the last 300 "horror movies" I've seen, though the
> budget he must have had to work with was, ummm, constraining to say the
> least.

$15!

>Too bad he could not have afforded an UNBROKEN crayon to use to make
> the titles. Still, that's a pretty advanced movie for a bunch of 13 year
> olds to have made, including the short claymation scene.

Hell, if there's have been a 13 year old around, we might not have had
to wear DRAWN-ON MUSTACHES! I was 11 and my brother was 9.

Too bad we didn't have a tripod for the claymation! That was a
technological advance that we didn't master (or afford or something)
until the next film, "The Beast That Time Forgot," a sort of cross
between Gorgo, Dinosaurus and The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms, which
features a clay Rhedosaurus fighting a giant squid on a model beach --
and eating a clay version of my brother! The live parts of the beach
scenes were shot on location in St. Maarten, N.A., where there's now a
huge resort hotel. And the house my weird architect grandpa built
there, where we filmed the live action involving the human stars, is
now owned by that bastard art-fag, Jasper Johns. But that movie is for
some other $200 transfer session... it's 30 minutes long and dull until
the monsters appear in the last half. I'm going to the trouble of
recording these tedious details because at any moment I run the risk of
forgetting them for good. That's my FEAR anyway. In sad reality I can
still remember every painful tedious detail of filming every insane
movie, how the air smelled, what we used for fake blood, etc.

>
> What, I must ask, did they use for BLOOD?

Pure Red Dye # 5, the kind that they banned because of the
insta-mutations it caused. Wouldn't wash out either. I got in trouble
with all my friends' moms every time we filmed a movie.

My age 13 movie was "The Horror of Frankenstein," the first one filmed
in Dallas. (I have seriously thought of doing a remake of that one in
which the Monster becomes a junkie who wanders around the city
listening to Neil Young songs on a Walkman.) "Human Animal" was in Fort
Worth. Those wooded areas where the wolfman is running around murdering
people from behind, that's all Suburbia now. (I checked recently!)

By another weird coincidence, both the Drummond brother's family and
Dok Frop's family lived so nearby in Fort Worth that we all remember
seeing the same movies at the Haltom Theater on the same Saturday
matinees. What the fuck subliminal programming WAS William Castle
adding to those gimmick monster movies?

>
> And one other question, just who the hell is Charlie Muck, really?

His real name was D. Smith, no shit. I met him by chance... he taught
ballroom dancing and rented tuxes. He was a big part of the South
Dallas black debutante and mystic lodge scenes. I attended an Elks Ball
with him and his wife once. That was quite an experience. There was
only a single white Elk in that lodge and he was one crazy
motherfucker. They wanted me to be the second white in the lodge but I
had my own mystic fellowship to fantasize about.

I had a scheme to make WotF fictional movies starring Charlie Muck as
this crafty, wiley scalawag of a hero who was always foiling the Bozos
practically by accident. In some ways I gues the character was kind of
"Bob"like... it's as if I knew all about the Conspiracy, but was
seeking what would later turn out to be "Bob" and Slack.

But instead of running off to Hollywood, I got married. (My son
LEARNED, and did it THE OTHER WAY AROUND!)

I have decided lately that the Conspiracy as we know it, the world of
work, toil, and master-slave competition, was born with the development
of agriculture. It's so entrenched that only X-Day or the coming mass
extinction will topple it. But the mass extinction will take hundreds
of miserable years to play out and X-Day will be more like just a long
crazy weekend, before our eternity (if so desired) on the
Do-It-Yourself Planet-Sized Pleasure Saucers. Unless we want to be
REALLY sadistic. I suppose some might want to draw it out and play
cat-and-mouse with vast populations of Pinks for generations, just out
of vengefulness. I'm merely gonna resurrect and then rekill that one
evil 5th grade teacher whose poebucker accent caused me to lose the
Spelling Bee by spelling the word I heard her say as "servile" when
what she thought she was telling me to spell was "several." But that's
class division for ya. I shouldn't be resentful that I'm a Morlocks
like that teacher was. At least we eat well.

>
> I rate this WAY better than 50-50 on a scale of 1 to 10! All I have to say,
> is there are some LUCKY companies on this planet to have had Stang edit
> their industrial films.
>

You better fucking believe it, because I worked CHEAP. The karma came
back around though because I just got a real good quote for the house
painting the city is forcing us to do on the third floor exterior. And
we have to put fucking electricity BACK into the garage after they told
the previous owner to REMOVE it. Fucking BOZOS. To think... when we
made that dopey underground movie, we thought it was a grotesque
cartoon exaggeration. Turns out to have been way conservative regarding
the actual perfidy of the Bozos (i.e. Falso Overmen,") and the
Conspiracy, as well as the bovinity of the Pinks.

That fabulous movie is now on MONTER in glorious SVCD-style mpeg! Soon
to be in a tiny degenerate mpeg-4 on a.b.s.

--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com
For SubGenius Biz & Orders: call toll free to 1-888-669-2323
or email: je...@subgenius.com
PRABOB

Don Radford

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Sep 7, 2004, 11:50:12 PM9/7/04
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Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:

> Pure Red Dye # 5, the kind that they banned because of the
> insta-mutations it caused. Wouldn't wash out either. I got in trouble
> with all my friends' moms every time we filmed a movie.

YEAH! When they announced that it was being pulled for causing cancer,
my mom ran out and stockpiled as much of it as she could put her mitts on.

FWIW, one of my favorite "toys" was a can of Raid -- and the houseflies
in the small enclosed porch...

--
the Mystical RevvedErrand Rockin' Don Radford
Certified God by the holy authority of
the White Lotus Fortune Cookie Company
June 23, 2004

The Future is coming out of the wall a few inches above the toilet.

http://www.subgenius.com

nenslo

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Sep 8, 2004, 1:49:33 AM9/8/04
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"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>
> >
> > And one other question, just who the hell is Charlie Muck, really?
>
> His real name was D. Smith, no shit. I met him by chance... he taught
> ballroom dancing and rented tuxes. He was a big part of the South
> Dallas black debutante and mystic lodge scenes. I attended an Elks Ball
> with him and his wife once. That was quite an experience. There was
> only a single white Elk in that lodge and he was one crazy
> motherfucker. They wanted me to be the second white in the lodge but I
> had my own mystic fellowship to fantasize about.
>
> I had a scheme to make WotF fictional movies starring Charlie Muck as
> this crafty, wiley scalawag of a hero who was always foiling the Bozos
> practically by accident. In some ways I gues the character was kind of
> "Bob"like... it's as if I knew all about the Conspiracy, but was
> seeking what would later turn out to be "Bob" and Slack.

I knew the moment I saw him that Charlie Muck was "Bob."

Artemia Salina

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Sep 8, 2004, 4:38:41 AM9/8/04
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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:23:32 -0400, iDRMRSR wrote:

> I've done it! I've sat down and watched Stang's World of the Future from
> bumper to trailer. I think the fact that it is on DVD genuinely helped me,

Personally I'd like to see it distributed on 3 minute reels of 8MM
film, like the old "Swedish Erotica" for sale in the backs of 60's
men's magazines. But then, LVWtotF doesn't have enough naked, paunchy,
middle-aged, Klondike-mustached, men and pinch-nosed, bushy-beavered,
cat-titted, pageboy-sporting, women with black bars across their eyes
to justify it.

Rev. Ivan Stang

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Sep 8, 2004, 9:55:34 AM9/8/04
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In article <pan.2004.09.08....@sheayright.com>, Artemia
Salina <y...@sheayright.com> wrote:

Hey, I know how to fix that! I'll just render some X-Day Drill footage
in black and white, and intercut some of that into it. I learned how to
add the black bars when I cut up the 6XDay footage recently.

Revi Shankar

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Sep 8, 2004, 5:11:30 PM9/8/04
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"Rev. Ivan Stang" <st...@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote in message
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OK, now I have to see this. Here's where I ask politely for SVCD-1-r01
(39/55) and SVCD-1-r30 (44/55)

I guess you can't post the individual itty bitty ?/55 chunks, and have to
post the whole r0? parts... But, PLEASE???

Thanks!!

Revi.


Rev. Ivan Stang

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Sep 8, 2004, 6:35:19 PM9/8/04
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In article <2qWdnfRHYa7...@adelphia.com>, Revi Shankar
<m...@privacy.net> wrote:


But... I already did! As soon as I too saw that those two were not even
on Giganews. Check again -- title "World of the Future reposts".

Although missing parts is just what the PAR files are there for. With
them you can replace ANY part. A limited number of them... 10 or so in
this case.

MAGIC!

Revi Shankar

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Sep 8, 2004, 7:27:05 PM9/8/04
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"Rev. Ivan Stang" <st...@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote in message
news:080920041835192237%st...@subgeniusNOSPUM.com...

> In article <2qWdnfRHYa7...@adelphia.com>, Revi Shankar
> <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > "Rev. Ivan Stang" <st...@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote in message
> > news:070920042246181847%st...@subgeniusNOSPUM.com...
> >
> >
> > OK, now I have to see this. Here's where I ask politely for SVCD-1-r01
> > (39/55) and SVCD-1-r30 (44/55)
> >
> > I guess you can't post the individual itty bitty ?/55 chunks, and have
to
> > post the whole r0? parts... But, PLEASE???
> >
> > Thanks!!
> >
>
>
> But... I already did! As soon as I too saw that those two were not even
> on Giganews. Check again -- title "World of the Future reposts".
>

OH SHIT. you means the ones I filtered out because they looked like
duplicates. NOW you see what a dumbshit I can be.

> Although missing parts is just what the PAR files are there for. With
> them you can replace ANY part. A limited number of them... 10 or so in
> this case.
>
> MAGIC!

OH really! I did NOT know that! </carson> Now I have to figure that out.

Thanks for all the effort. It brings back bittersweet memories to hear how
you were making films when you were but a tad. When I also was a tad, I and
some friends made a few short movies. We even made a few claymation movies.
My mother was certain we created a new art form. She was mistified by the
simplest things.

One of the live action movies was of the post-nuclear-war-apocalypse
variety. We tried to show the horrors of radiation sickness. One scene
showed someone trying to rescue someone else from falling off a cliff, only
to have their skin slide off their hand while they fell to a horrible end.
We used some kind of close fitting latex glove filled with some blood
substitute (ketchup?) Ah well.

That all came to an end when my father decided that this was not the kind of
activity he wanted any son of HIS to get involved in. Too queer, you see.
So, I was forced to turn my back on the creative arts, mostly. Good thing
you didn't.


Revi Shankar

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Sep 8, 2004, 9:58:42 PM9/8/04
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"Rev. Ivan Stang" <st...@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote

> MAGIC!

Well, I just watched it.

I am stunned. Floored, even. Your level of visual maturity and your ability
to be articulate with the medium at that age is astonishing. I mean, you
demonstrate a natural deftness with the visual language that seems higher
than almost anyone producing films today. For example, the lighting effects
were not only creative, but very effective and supportive. You had quite a
vision there, my good man.

I could go on, but I already sound like a kiss-ass.

High points:

I'm surprised at how sprawling you made what could have been a very simple
script.

The makeup on the clowns was ... effective. heh.

I liked the "Kill me Now" on the tv.

Who did the piano on the Binsky animation (cartoon), was that something you
found? well it was perfect. That sound quality is irreplaceable.

The brain office doll-animation was funny!

Your take on Consumerism/sports/violence in the 'future' (now?) is right on.

I liked the small touches, like using your own actual video on the TV.

The little town model was ... something!

This movie has the first recorded head launching?

I suppose you must have been a little worried that the last scene might have
had to be re-shot, what with all the time it took to hand letter that big
news print or whatever it was.

I'm surprised that the term Mediocretins and other common terms I associate
with the CotS existed then. Seems like the Church was almost a destined,
unstoppable outcome for you. Good thing it did.

Damn, that was amazing. You are gifted with serious talent. You used almost
every type of effect you could: animation, claymation, scale models, stop
action, split screen (with disclaimer!) point of view tricks (the binsky
beer shot where the guy opens it and it slimes his face to the right, not
down). etc. etc.

Well, gee. Thanks for posting it!


Rev. Ivan Stang

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Sep 9, 2004, 10:45:33 AM9/9/04
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In article <-vGdnTXXE9t...@adelphia.com>, Revi Shankar
<m...@privacy.net> wrote:

> "Rev. Ivan Stang" <st...@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote
>
> > MAGIC!
>
> Well, I just watched it.
>
> I am stunned. Floored, even. Your level of visual maturity and your ability
> to be articulate with the medium at that age is astonishing. I mean, you
> demonstrate a natural deftness with the visual language that seems higher
> than almost anyone producing films today. For example, the lighting effects
> were not only creative, but very effective and supportive. You had quite a
> vision there, my good man.
>
> I could go on, but I already sound like a kiss-ass.

God damn! THANKS!!! I have to wonder how things would have been
different if anyone had said anything like that to me in 1973 or 1974!
But the main comments I got were, "That's a bummer, man," "I'm a
Christian and I don't like what you said," "Who's that chick with the
tits?" And "Your lab bill is still due." I decided not to enter it in
film festivals. Wouldn't have been able to afford the entry fees
anyway! Story of my life. Finally get the movie done but have no $ or
energy left to project it. Until 2004, when it was way too late and the
Bozos had actually taken over.

>
> High points:
>
> I'm surprised at how sprawling you made what could have been a very simple
> script.

There was a lot of pharmaceutical speed, diet pills, going around in
those days. Probably it's a good thing the croaker, Dr. Holman, died.

>
> The makeup on the clowns was ... effective. heh.

THE DICK SMITH MONSTER MAKE-UP HANDBOOK. I still have it. I combined
the Mummy and Frankenstein technques for the Bozos. Funny thing was,
pro make-up artist Dick Smith used his son as a model for that make-up
book, and his son's name was Douglas Smith. (Who later went on to
become a graphic artist specializzing in scratchboard work I believe.)


>
> I liked the "Kill me Now" on the tv.

Kill Me Now was my general outlook then, I'm afraid. The upside of that
was, when big rednecks tried to pick on me in gangs, I reacted with
such suicidal madness that they always decided to leave me alone!
Except for that one time at Radar Man Park, when they simply
sucker-punched me suddenly with no warning. Heh... I'll bet both those
guys are dead now. No... come to think of it... by now they're probably
top Dallas lawyers.

>
> Who did the piano on the Binsky animation (cartoon), was that something you
> found? well it was perfect. That sound quality is irreplaceable.

That was a piece composed by my friend Stoney Savage, written out on
paper, and played on the SMU piano by Leslie Lynn Gaspar. It's actually
called "The World of the Future Theme." Stoney, like me, foolishly got
married and stuck to day jobs despite his great jazz talent. I think he
does have a combo in Dallas these days though, or did when I left...
playing at art museum functions and the like! I think Stoney became a
Christian or something and didn't truck with me in later years,
although my ex-wife taught his daughter in 5th grade.

I used that piece of piano music for the opening panel of the DVD I
made... it loops with the animation.


>
> The brain office doll-animation was funny!

Too bad I didn't have another projector and another copy of the 8mm
movie, so that there'd be a picture in BOTH eyes that you're seeing out
of from inside the skull.


>
> Your take on Consumerism/sports/violence in the 'future' (now?) is right on.

Well that one's kind of a no-brainer.... unless you're a no-brainer.
Already war coverage and pro sports coverage are becoming more and more
alike -- why not merge the two. Both appeal to the same
bread-and-circuses mentality... harrumph...


>
> I liked the small touches, like using your own actual video on the TV.

Yes, you get glimpses of "Horror of Frankenstein" and other horrible
8mm child horror films in the background! Not to mention a stripper
film we stole somewhere... she's called "Choo-Choo".


>
> The little town model was ... something!

Thanks! I scavenged every glass bottle, space toy, construction toy and
Hot Wheels set for many relatives and cub-scout troops around.

If you look closely you can see that there's a mirror at the back of
the set which makes it appear to be twice as large.

>
> This movie has the first recorded head launching?

!! I hadn't thought of that! But sure enough. The exploding reefer that
blows the guy's head off... the whole reason for that was so we could
use the stupidest joke in the universe, "What's that up in the road, a
head?"

>
> I suppose you must have been a little worried that the last scene might have
> had to be re-shot, what with all the time it took to hand letter that big
> news print or whatever it was.

Um, YES. A great big huge yes to that. Hand-stenciled on butcher-paper.
ONE TAKE ONLY. Rather nerve-wracking. You can see me start to panic for
about a half-second there before I channel it back into the Bozo's
frenzy. I have never been good at memorization and can't even tell a
joke without inadvertently changing it. I can't repeat things well
without reading them -- I can say things right ONLY if I'm saying them
for the first time, it seems. Preferably while making it up right on
the spot.

Man, you really WATCHED this thing, didn't you! I am so glad to know
somebody notices these things! For the last 30 years I didn't think
anyone had -- MAYBE THEY HADN'T! It gets to the point that you suspect
you're imagining that you even made this movie back when.

>
> I'm surprised that the term Mediocretins and other common terms I associate
> with the CotS existed then. Seems like the Church was almost a destined,
> unstoppable outcome for you. Good thing it did.

When Philo explained that the reason we never got anywhere was because
we were SUB-geniuses, well, upon hearing that word a lot of little
gears that had been spinning madly against nothing, SUDDENLY MESHED.

WotF and SubGenius have been interlinked from the veriest get-go. Look
again at the Time Chart on page 135 of Book of the SubGeius (the only
page with layout entirely by me). The Bozos correspond to the "False
Overmen" that "Bob" predicted, obviously.

In the early 80s my agent was after me to have a SubGenius movie
treatment ready, and I did write a whole movie length treatment for a
fictional movie which takes place in a World of the Future which came
about as a perversion of the Church oif the SubGenius. The basic plot
is, wacky Real SubGenii of the underground vs. the False OverMan Pink
Bozos Types who took it over. Rev. Chris Gross even did character
drawings and set design drawings for the treatment.

It's a useless script now, because since I wrote it, all the main plot
circumstances and twists that I thought I had invented have since been
used in HUGE-BUDGET ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER ACTION MOVIES! -- esp. Total
Recall and Running Man. My instincts have always been right for getting
rich, it's just that they're always a decade too soon, and I always
have the wrong haircut for dealing with monied Pinks. No matter how my
hair is, it's always gonna be wrong for impressing that one monied
Pink.

Although my agent DID send that script around Hollywood... not that
anybody SAID they were going to do anything with it. OH, WELL.

>
> Damn, that was amazing. You are gifted with serious talent. You used almost
> every type of effect you could: animation, claymation, scale models, stop
> action, split screen (with disclaimer!) point of view tricks (the binsky
> beer shot where the guy opens it and it slimes his face to the right, not
> down). etc. etc.

SOMEONE NOTICED!!!


>
> Well, gee. Thanks for posting it!
>

I would remind those who cannot or will not download DVD-level binary
movies from alt.binaries.monter-movies that you can buy the uncut WotF
DVD (with many bonus shorts!) from me simply by emailing me your credit
card number, or buying any of our other DVDs but sending me a separate
letter saying you want the UNCUT World of the Future and not the old
PreDobbs Stangfilms version. For people who are familiar with an
obscure old comedy troupe called The Firesign Theater, or with a series
of indie comic books of the 70s called "underground comics," the movie
might even be worth buying. The Firesign Theater, DEVO and Robert Crumb
thought it was good... or "good" anyway... that's how I got them to
give me blurbs for Book of the SubGenius!

If nothing else it might make you think, "Hell, if a retarded 19 year
old was able to do this in 1973 on a budget earned from a DISHWASHING
JOB*, hell, I can do MUCH BETTER! I'm a 24 year old WAITER! WAY ahead
of Stang back then. Plus, now we have DIGITAL VIDEOTAPE, for ONE
MILLIONTH THE COST of Stang's old 16mm film. SO WHAT AM I WAITING
FOR??"

I have been attempting to render it down to the smallest possible
still-watchable size, which I might post to a.b.slack... a 12 fps
mpeg-4 version with a small picture. There're also RM and VCD versions.
The MPEG4 is the smallest I was able to make, though. Even smaller than
the teeny .mov version.

But first I shall post the SVCD of "The Human Animal!" Made 8 years
BEFORE World of the Future, before I reached puberty in fact.

Seriously, thank you very much for the very kind words. They mean a lot
more than you might think. For one thing it prompts me to write these
little details down before they fade from my beat-up old brane
entirely.


* at the now-defunct Railhead Restaurant

purple

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Your problem, Doug, had more to do with your adolescent preoccupation with
the past. Your zombified "World of the Future" had disappeared as a medium
by 1960 (see my chart). The Android Meme was going to replay your
bozo/robotoid scenario in the eighties and nineties during its own
obsolescence and for itself. No surplus flesh and its forlorn "creativity"
was going to have any kind of portal to that yellow brick road. No way.

Meanwhile, Connie and I spent a couple of weeks in Austin, Texas, in May/'71
and I remember the frequency of Firesign Theater being played at parties
(this was when you would be preparing to go to university there). And also
the buzz about THX1138 in that town. These influences on your aura would
lead to problems for you if you didn't master FINNEGANS WAKE. Even though
you listed FW as your favorite book on a friend's desert-island
questionnaire, it looks like you haven't got there yet let alone looked at
the "book".


The Great Bob Dobbs


On 9/9/04 10:45 AM, in article 090920041045333805%st...@subgeniusNOSPUM.com,

Leonard the Committed

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From: purple (pur...@ingress.com)
Subject: Apology and Farewell

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Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: 2000/02/02


To the readers of alt.slack, and subgeniuses of the world:
All you have said about me is true. I am a fraud. I have never been
able to think of anything interesting or intelligent, even funny, on my
own. All I have ever been able to do is try to copy other people's
ideas. I copy people I want to be like, hoping it will make me more
like them. But all I can ever be is a bad copy of better and more
interesting people than I am. I have tried to copy the church of the
Subgenius because it was so much like the ideas I wish I could think of
myself, and never could. I envy you your ability to create and invent.
I envy your ability to capture people's interest. All my life I have
wanted to be funny and interesting but I have never been anything but
obnoxious and stupid.

I apologize to you. I apologize especially to Ivan Stang. I have been
a fool. I quit. I will never bother you again. I hope you will
remember that I only wanted to be like you. And I failed.

KD et al

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>God damn! THANKS!!! I have to wonder how things would have been
>different if anyone had said anything like that to me in 1973 or 1974!
>But the main comments I got were, "That's a bummer, man," "I'm a
>Christian and I don't like what you said," "Who's that chick with the
>tits?" And "Your lab bill is still due." I decided not to enter it in
>film festivals. Wouldn't have been able to afford the entry fees
>anyway! Story of my life. Finally get the movie done but have no $ or
>energy left to project it. Until 2004, when it was way too late and the
>Bozos had actually taken over.

Aw Stang. This whole thing makes me sad. Not that it matters a fuck.

Oh well, I will try to look at it like this:
you could have suppressed it all and become an accountant. Instead, look at
everything created because you lived and by osmosis holy shit, look at all the
little waves of pieces of Stang hitting savvy and
ill-bred brains alike.

Maybe one day the world will be better for it.

Well hmmm, this *is* Subgeniuses we're talking about. I guess I meant, maybe
one day the world will be too apathetic and drunk (but creatively inspired!) to
be the assworld it is today, for it.

Revi Shankar

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Sep 10, 2004, 3:23:47 PM9/10/04
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"Rev. Ivan Stang" <st...@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> ...

> Thanks! I scavenged every glass bottle, space toy, construction toy and
> Hot Wheels set for many relatives and cub-scout troops around.

OH OH... I used to have a set of that little monorail gear driven car thing.
Much to my delight, years later, while I was doing communications cabling at
a large high-rise bank, they had this document conveyor that worked the
EXACT SAME WAY. There was a carrier on wheels with a motor on it on the
track. You set little destination switches on the basket, and hit GO. It
went whirring off into a hole in the wall. This was a vertical shaft through
the whole building. Inside the shaft was nothing but these tracks with teeth
on them. I peeked my head into the shaft once. The sight of all these little
carriers on these tracks going up and down was UNBELIEVABLY like the power
plant scene in Forbidden Plant. Awesome.

> I can't repeat things well
> without reading them -- I can say things right ONLY if I'm saying them
> for the first time, it seems. Preferably while making it up right on
> the spot.

I suppose that places you in the perfect occupation at the moment, eh?

> Man, you really WATCHED this thing, didn't you!

Well, yeah, as if I had a choice. I thought it was riveting. There wasn't a
single frame that was 'thin' or lacking. When it was over, I half expected
the phone to ring and someone to say "You have seven days to live!"

> When Philo explained that the reason we never got anywhere was because
> we were SUB-geniuses, well, upon hearing that word a lot of little
> gears that had been spinning madly against nothing, SUDDENLY MESHED.

Oh, my friend, be grateful. Imagine spending your whole life trying to get
the gears to click, and they never do. It's like watching two animals try to
fuck that can't connect. GOD DAMMIT, GET IN THERE!!! After while, one just
becomes so tired.

> I have been attempting to render it down to the smallest possible
> still-watchable size, which I might post to a.b.slack... a 12 fps
> mpeg-4 version with a small picture.

OH! oh! There is a certain cable company (don't say it) that deployed a new
movies on demand service. The movies are all stored on the servers* as
MPEG-2. One full-length feature takes about 4 gigs. Since they are MPEG2,
anyone (with proper access, etc.) can create an mpg and have it available as
a movie on demand. When I heard that, I thought "MY GOD. What a great thing!
Kinda like the internet, but without all the bandwidth problems. Wouldn't it
be great if there was a public access movies on demand channel. Watch what
all the neighbors have uploaded! Think of all the pr0n!"

Some day, it will be so...

> But first I shall post the SVCD of "The Human Animal!" Made 8 years
> BEFORE World of the Future, before I reached puberty in fact.

Let us know when you post it. I don't check abm-m much.

> Seriously, thank you very much for the very kind words. They mean a lot
> more than you might think.

Thanks for accepting them so well. You deserve kind words. You deserve more
than that. You've spilt your pearls before hundreds of thousands of swine,
over and over and over again, in public, IN THE NUDE, in a pit of SLIME, FOR
CHRIST'S SAKE, all for your vision. AND, BOY, have people tried to fuck you
for it. That, at the very least, deserves a tip of the Dobbs hat.

> For one thing it prompts me to write these
> little details down before they fade from my beat-up old brane
> entirely.

Oh, face it. You like to write down EVERYTHING. Heh.

--
* NOTE: 18 servers, 12 140gb hard drives each server. 18*12*140gb = 30.24
Terabytes, 96 individual gigabit ports of bandwidth switched by a
720gbit/second switch fabric router.


nikolai kingsley

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Sep 10, 2004, 3:41:13 PM9/10/04
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> ... When I heard that, I thought "MY GOD. What a great thing!


> Kinda like the internet, but without all the bandwidth problems. Wouldn't
> it
> be great if there was a public access movies on demand channel. Watch what
> all the neighbors have uploaded! Think of all the pr0n!"
>
> Some day, it will be so...

probably after the next big thing renders video obsolete. they'll find a way
to inject experience directly into your brain, and video and cinema and yea
even Imax will seem like a crude substitute.

by which time they'll be giving all the video shit away practically for
nothing. that bin down at the DVD store, that has all the craaaap that
no-one wanted to buy - they're going to have to make that bin a little
larger.


Rev. Ivan Stang

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Sep 10, 2004, 6:14:47 PM9/10/04
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In article <2qeeavF...@uni-berlin.de>, nikolai kingsley
<sher...@invalid.alphalink.com.au> wrote:

What happens eventually is that you find YOUR OWN BRAIN in that $1 bin
at Walmart.

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