Serbian Press Already Partitioned Kosovo
payton
<yme...@albanian.com> wrote in message
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>
> The questions thus comes to mind : Why the sudden rush to divide Kosovo?
> Wasn't Kosovo the heart of Serbia? Why would they want to chop their
"heart"
> and "cradle" now? Weren't Serbs the ones that claimed that they would give
> their lives but not Kosovo in 1999 and now they want to bargain?
>
Goals change with circumstances. Although Serbia wanted to keep large part
of it's territory (bad, bad desire) in 1999, today that doesn't seem very
possible, so Serbia will settle with what it can save.
> The most plausible explanations at this stage are as follows:
>
:)))))))))))
> 1. The last round of elections finally gave birth to a new government in
> Serbia. Like the former Nationalist/Socialist government in the 90's, the
> first steps that the new government embarked upon was to shift the
attention
> from failing economic recovery, high crime rates, mafia and other problems
> Serbia was undergoing to the contentious topic of Kosovo. The only country
> in the region that would benefit from an unstable Kosovo is Serbia. This
> would greatly increase the chances of Serbia's dreams of taking control of
> Kosovo manifesting into reality.
>
Well, Kosovo is "good" distraction to hide other important issues but you
cant deny that it isn't important issue also. And unstable Kosovo doesnt
benefit Serbia in any way...
> Why are Serbs now asking for "partition" and not for the whole of Kosovo?
>
> 2. The "Standards before status" plan is seen by many in Serbia as the
first
> step towards independence for Kosovo.
Not really... because it's ridiculous to talk about standards when things
like recent events are happening... although ethnic cleansing of Serbs is
seen as a step towards independence of Kosovo... no Serbs - no problem for
Albanians to gain independence...
> Who benefits from unstable Kosovo? Serbs and Albanians in Kosovo only will
> suffer from instability. The only country in the region that may gain
> something is Serbia.
>
Serbia gains nothing from "unrest" in Kosovo except refugees and
dissatisfaction of it's citizens because their government cant do anything.
> That is why we should not exclude the possibility that the latest unrest
in
> Kosovo was planned in Belgrade and caused by Serbia itself.
>
:))))))))))))))))))))))
How?????
Drugs in the water system? :)
Mass hypnosis? :)))
Kostunica said "Please kill my people, burn their houses, destroy their
churches, monuments and graveyards? Oh, please destroy any notion that my
people ever lived there?" (this one is not even funny)
payton
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>
> This is the gruesome story of a mass murder in a garden in a village in
> Kosovo called Podujevo, a flight from prosecution by one of the accused in
> the massacre and the remarkable struggle for justice of the children who
> survived it.
Truly gruesome story... terrible.. but certainly not "reply" to what I
wrote... except if you think that some crimes can justify other crimes...
dorcol
by soros, blood thirsty as hole. No proof whatsoever came in the court. This
story is generated as an order to be executed by the judges in Belgrade.
They have allowed these type of stories as evidence without facts as a
proof - for money and fear of their jobs. If someone considers as a proof a
testimony of a person which is wrapped in the fear for it's life - than do
to this stupidity, group of people will rule the world.
Soldier convicted for 20 years as a member of scorpion will be free upon
appeal. His "fixed" conviction has served desired purpose.
As far as story; it is full of holes - it is actually very funny. But for
morons who have no idea where Balkan is - it is easy to sell them this type
of crap.
I wander how many Albanians have lost their lives in capital of Serbia,
Belgrade, in comparison to any area dominated by Albanians as a majority,
lets include Albania? would this tell anyone something?
Does someone find strange why no one in Balkans with power and guts is
willing to report real facts about dead people including children found in
the truck which has been dumped in Danube river. No report that they are
actually innocent people killed by NATO bombs. With a plan from CIA and
local paid tugs to dump their bodies, these murdered people have been used
as a tool to place more and more bad blood on Balkans. Does someone find
strange that in 1994 all today's "leaders" in Balkans become Masons - in
fact in 1994 all these guys have not been near any ability to govern any
country as they do today - once they became Masons through Fullbrights
academy, they rule Balkan states - now that is strange! No?.
As for CBC, this story has been aired before and it will be aired many more
times in the future, as long as prostitute is paid to do its job.
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> Story like this is a classical stuff written in CIA headquarters,
sponsored
> by soros, blood thirsty as hole.
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bre od mene sa tim sranjima..
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>
> This is the gruesome story of a mass murder in a garden in a village in
> Kosovo called Podujevo, a flight from prosecution by one of the accused in
> the massacre and the remarkable struggle for justice of the children who
> survived it.
Kosovo Albanians are Islamic enemies of Europe. They are terrorists and
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<Spam_dorcol@mars_u_picku_materinu.ca> wrote:
> I wander how many Albanians have lost their lives in capital of Serbia,
> Belgrade, in comparison to any area dominated by Albanians as a majority,
> lets include Albania? would this tell anyone something?
It is pointless to argue with the Albanian who posted this propaganda.
Robert
=--- village idiot whines...
> A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, "dorcol"
> <Spam_dorcol@mars_u_picku_materinu.ca> wrote:
>
> > I wander how many Albanians have lost their lives in capital of Serbia,
> > Belgrade, in comparison to any area dominated by Albanians as a majority,
> > lets include Albania? would this tell anyone something?
>
> It is pointless to argue with the Albanian who posted this propaganda.
Ah...David have you converted anybody to the Rebel Alliance yet?
I do understand that converts having to drink dog sperm while standing on one
leg with a copy of Mein Kampf open at their feet is unlikely to get you many
recruits.
Gjergj Kastrioti
> <yme...@albanian.com> wrote in message
> news:BC8F68DB.8CC%yme...@albanian.com...
> >
> > The questions thus comes to mind : Why the sudden rush to divide Kosovo?
> > Wasn't Kosovo the heart of Serbia? Why would they want to chop their
> "heart"
> > and "cradle" now? Weren't Serbs the ones that claimed that they would give
> > their lives but not Kosovo in 1999 and now they want to bargain?
> >
>
> Goals change with circumstances. Although Serbia wanted to keep large part
> of it's territory (bad, bad desire) in 1999, today that doesn't seem very
> possible, so Serbia will settle with what it can save.
is this the beginning of realizing that it is not 1389 but the 21st
century?
> Well, Kosovo is "good" distraction to hide other important issues but you
> cant deny that it isn't important issue also. And unstable Kosovo doesnt
> benefit Serbia in any way...
it does, it does benefit...ask the guys who killed djindjic, ask
kostunica, ask nikolic, ask covic, ask all the guys who are making a
living because of troubles in kosova...ask criminals who earl a lot by
having kosova unstable...
serbia benefit from unstable kosova, otherwise they wouldn't be
calling for army to go back there...
> > Why are Serbs now asking for "partition" and not for the whole of Kosovo?
> >
> > 2. The "Standards before status" plan is seen by many in Serbia as the
> first
> > step towards independence for Kosovo.
>
> Not really... because it's ridiculous to talk about standards when things
> like recent events are happening... although ethnic cleansing of Serbs is
> seen as a step towards independence of Kosovo... no Serbs - no problem for
> Albanians to gain independence...
serbs are no problem for the issue of independence...independence
depends primarily on albanians, as a majority in kosova, and then on
internaltional community, which actually runs the place...serbs have
little saying on that...
> :))))))))))))))))))))))
> How?????
> Drugs in the water system? :)
> Mass hypnosis? :)))
> Kostunica said "Please kill my people, burn their houses, destroy their
> churches, monuments and graveyards? Oh, please destroy any notion that my
> people ever lived there?" (this one is not even funny)
kostunica said that kosova should be partitioned, which is just as bad
as saying kill my people, burn the yards, and thing like that...how
about serbia being partitioned: sandjak, vojvodina, preseva toplica e
bujanovci, sumadija, etc etc? so, every action has reaction, that's
why you burnt the mosques in nis and belgrade...people didn't go crazy
just because they felt like that, and serbia has quite a big share on
this madness that just happened...if serbs in serbia live good and let
kosova go, serbs in kosova will live good and albanians in kosova will
live good too...at least, kosovar government immediately showed that
what happened was wrong and they commited some money for
reconstruction, something that serbian government failed to do even
after so many wars and so many years. time for serbia to grow up and
wake up...i don't ask this because i care for serbia, but i care for
my own place; you know, you can't have a good life if a crazy man is
living next door...
tana t'mirat,
ps. ymer, kto fare teori t'konspiracionit jane palidhje...hiqju tyne
se s'ka gja prej tyne...
payton
"Gjergj Kastrioti" <skend...@ilirus.com> wrote in message
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> "payton" <payton@__eunet.yu> wrote in message
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part
> > of it's territory (bad, bad desire) in 1999, today that doesn't seem
very
> > possible, so Serbia will settle with what it can save.
>
> is this the beginning of realizing that it is not 1389 but the 21st
> century?
>
:))))
>
> > Well, Kosovo is "good" distraction to hide other important issues but
you
> > cant deny that it isn't important issue also. And unstable Kosovo doesnt
> > benefit Serbia in any way...
>
> it does, it does benefit...ask the guys who killed djindjic, ask
> kostunica, ask nikolic, ask covic, ask all the guys who are making a
> living because of troubles in kosova...
There are many policeman and fireman that make a living because of various
trouble... but that doesn't mean that they are guilty for that trouble...
> ask criminals who earl a lot by
> having kosova unstable...
Kosovo drug lords?
> serbia benefit from unstable kosova, otherwise they wouldn't be
> calling for army to go back there...
>
Current total lack of security for Serbian population is not good reason
enough?
> >
> > Not really... because it's ridiculous to talk about standards when
things
> > like recent events are happening... although ethnic cleansing of Serbs
is
> > seen as a step towards independence of Kosovo... no Serbs - no problem
for
> > Albanians to gain independence...
>
> serbs are no problem for the issue of independence...independence
> depends primarily on albanians, as a majority in kosova, and then on
> internaltional community, which actually runs the place...serbs have
> little saying on that...
>
Not really...
> > :))))))))))))))))))))))
> > How?????
> > Drugs in the water system? :)
> > Mass hypnosis? :)))
> > Kostunica said "Please kill my people, burn their houses, destroy their
> > churches, monuments and graveyards? Oh, please destroy any notion that
my
> > people ever lived there?" (this one is not even funny)
>
> kostunica said that kosova should be partitioned, which is just as bad
> as saying kill my people, burn the yards, and thing like that...
Not near... by a longshot...
> how
> about serbia being partitioned: sandjak, vojvodina, preseva toplica e
> bujanovci, sumadija, etc etc?
Kosovo...
> so, every action has reaction, that's
> why you burnt the mosques in nis and belgrade...people didn't go crazy
> just because they felt like that, and serbia has quite a big share on
> this madness that just happened...
Well, certain reactions are not adequate responce to certain actions...
> if serbs in serbia live good and let
> kosova go, serbs in kosova will live good and albanians in kosova will
> live good too...
Just few lines above you said that independence of Kosovo doesn't have
anything to do with Serbs or recent events... and now you proved
otherwise...
> at least, kosovar government immediately showed that
> what happened was wrong and they commited some money for
> reconstruction, something that serbian government failed to do even
> after so many wars and so many years. time for serbia to grow up and
> wake up...
Actually, we are paying for repair of those mosques and perpetrators are
arrested...
> i don't ask this because i care for serbia, but i care for
> my own place; you know, you can't have a good life if a crazy man is
> living next door...
>
Likewise...
Gjergj Kastrioti
> There are many policeman and fireman that make a living because of various
> trouble... but that doesn't mean that they are guilty for that trouble...
of course not...but the guys who push the trouble so they can make the
living are guilty...
>
> > ask criminals who earl a lot by
> > having kosova unstable...
>
> Kosovo drug lords?
yes, them too...i guess they come low in the chain of running a
country, as compared with the serbian ones...which desn't mean that
they are better - crime is a crime, no matter where...
> > serbia benefit from unstable kosova, otherwise they wouldn't be
> > calling for army to go back there...
> >
>
> Current total lack of security for Serbian population is not good reason
> enough?
can't follow you on this; why would serbia ask to send troops in
kosova, while they are lacking security in serbia?
> > so, every action has reaction, that's
> > why you burnt the mosques in nis and belgrade...people didn't go crazy
> > just because they felt like that, and serbia has quite a big share on
> > this madness that just happened...
>
> Well, certain reactions are not adequate responce to certain actions...
agree...can't beat stupidity with stupidity...don't misunderstand me,
i don't support what happened in kosova three weeks ago, i am
completely against it...
>
> > if serbs in serbia live good and let
> > kosova go, serbs in kosova will live good and albanians in kosova will
> > live good too...
>
> Just few lines above you said that independence of Kosovo doesn't have
> anything to do with Serbs or recent events... and now you proved
> otherwise...
independence and good living have nothing to do with each
other...kosova will become independent, but that will not solve the
problems. it would be a step in the right direction, but not the
solution...
>
> > at least, kosovar government immediately showed that
> > what happened was wrong and they commited some money for
> > reconstruction, something that serbian government failed to do even
> > after so many wars and so many years. time for serbia to grow up and
> > wake up...
>
> Actually, we are paying for repair of those mosques and perpetrators are
> arrested...
your government should have started by paying for my house in gjakova,
burnt in may 7th, 1999, by serbian police...and then they should have
continued with the house next door and next door and next door...and
then they should have asked for apology for the 9 deaths in my street,
which is not longer than 200 meters.
> > i don't ask this because i care for serbia, but i care for
> > my own place; you know, you can't have a good life if a crazy man is
> > living next door...
> >
>
> Likewise...
of course...
payton
"Gjergj Kastrioti" <skend...@ilirus.com> wrote in message
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>
> > There are many policeman and fireman that make a living because of
various
> > trouble... but that doesn't mean that they are guilty for that
trouble...
>
> of course not...but the guys who push the trouble so they can make the
> living are guilty...
>
... as long as you can prove that they are guilty (arguments are good enough
proof for this matter and this argument)
> >
> > > ask criminals who earl a lot by
> > > having kosova unstable...
> >
> > Kosovo drug lords?
>
> yes, them too...i guess they come low in the chain of running a
> country, as compared with the serbian ones...which desn't mean that
> they are better - crime is a crime, no matter where...
>
Low in compared to us?
I am not sure about that.
> > > serbia benefit from unstable kosova, otherwise they wouldn't be
> > > calling for army to go back there...
> > >
> >
> > Current total lack of security for Serbian population is not good reason
> > enough?
>
> can't follow you on this; why would serbia ask to send troops in
> kosova, while they are lacking security in serbia?
>
There is lack of security for Serbian population in Kosovo.
> >
> > > if serbs in serbia live good and let
> > > kosova go, serbs in kosova will live good and albanians in kosova will
> > > live good too...
> >
> > Just few lines above you said that independence of Kosovo doesn't have
> > anything to do with Serbs or recent events... and now you proved
> > otherwise...
>
> independence and good living have nothing to do with each
> other...kosova will become independent, but that will not solve the
> problems. it would be a step in the right direction, but not the
> solution...
>
"if serbs... let kosova go, serbs in kosova will live good"
> >
> > > at least, kosovar government immediately showed that
> > > what happened was wrong and they commited some money for
> > > reconstruction, something that serbian government failed to do even
> > > after so many wars and so many years. time for serbia to grow up and
> > > wake up...
> >
> > Actually, we are paying for repair of those mosques and perpetrators are
> > arrested...
>
> your government should have started by paying for my house in gjakova,
> burnt in may 7th, 1999, by serbian police...and then they should have
> continued with the house next door and next door and next door...and
> then they should have asked for apology for the 9 deaths in my street,
> which is not longer than 200 meters.
>
I agree, like similar payment and apologies should be directed towards
Serbia...
Gjergj Kastrioti
> I agree, like similar payment and apologies should be directed towards
> Serbia...
by whom, by nato? you must be kidding...
Gjergj Kastrioti
> > > Current total lack of security for Serbian population is not good reason
> > > enough?
> >
> > can't follow you on this; why would serbia ask to send troops in
> > kosova, while they are lacking security in serbia?
> >
>
> There is lack of security for Serbian population in Kosovo.
if tmk was protecting churches, none of them would have been burnt...
if serbs accept living properly in kosova, nobody will maletreat them;
albanians have bigger worries than serbs...and, yugoslav (or whatever
you call it) army would not make it safer for serbs...
payton
"Gjergj Kastrioti" <skend...@ilirus.com> wrote in message
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>
> > > > Current total lack of security for Serbian population is not good
reason
> > > > enough?
> > >
> > > can't follow you on this; why would serbia ask to send troops in
> > > kosova, while they are lacking security in serbia?
> > >
> >
> > There is lack of security for Serbian population in Kosovo.
>
> if tmk was protecting churches, none of them would have been burnt...
Don't be ridiculous...
There are some allegations that members of tmk (Kosovski zastitni korpus?)
participated in those events.
> if serbs accept living properly in kosova, nobody will maletreat them;
They are not living properly?
That is reason for maltreatment?
> albanians have bigger worries than serbs...
They don't act that way.
>and, yugoslav (or whatever
> you call it) army would not make it safer for serbs...
I agree... but if ethnic cleansing continues, something must be done.
c/p:
> > I agree, like similar payment and apologies should be directed towards
> > Serbia...
>
> by whom, by nato? you must be kidding...
... as serious as you are about your place...
Gjergj Kastrioti
> > if tmk was protecting churches, none of them would have been burnt...
>
> Don't be ridiculous...
> There are some allegations that members of tmk (Kosovski zastitni korpus?)
> participated in those events.
deeds of an individual are not deeds of the institution...and, çeku
was one of the first people to ask for the demonstrations to be
stopped...tmk has the respect of the people and people will listen to
them. on the other hand, they are wise enough to try to live and work
together with other people, something that can't be said for the other
military groups in the balkans...
> > if serbs accept living properly in kosova, nobody will maletreat them;
>
> They are not living properly?
> That is reason for maltreatment?
they are not...blocking the main streets of kosova is asking to be
maltreated...
> > albanians have bigger worries than serbs...
>
> They don't act that way.
well, serbs are small and weak, so it is easy to hit them...and, they
act like being big and important, so they ask for it...tell me just
one simple and very unimportant thing: why they don't use kosovar car
plates?
> >and, yugoslav (or whatever
> > you call it) army would not make it safer for serbs...
>
> I agree... but if ethnic cleansing continues, something must be done.
yes...people should be educated and tought to trust each
other...sending biased armies like the yugoslav one is the worst thing
to do...
>
> c/p:
> > > I agree, like similar payment and apologies should be directed towards
> > > Serbia...
> >
> > by whom, by nato? you must be kidding...
>
> ... as serious as you are about your place...
well, it was always safe for people from serbia: there were four wars
in the balkans in the last 15 years, and none happened in serbia. they
think all these things happened someplace else and serbia has nothing
to do with it...so, i doubt you'll understand...btw, i don't live in
hope that you will...i just try to make it easier for your kids, so
they would not have to carry the shame of their fathers...as i said, i
don't want a lunatic next door...
and, you're not funny nor serious...now you want restitution for the
brigdes on which you did turbo folk and we defy the west
parties...remember, in sarajeva people died in the market; in
srebrenica people died; in vukovar people were put in hospital and
then murdered, old men; genocide was done by the serbs, not to the
serbs. playing the game of the victim when you're not, is not honest,
i guess that's why nobody likes you in the balkans...i mean, does
serbia has any alies? who likes serbs? greeks? macedonians? man...
payton
"Gjergj Kastrioti" <skend...@ilirus.com> wrote in message
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> > > if tmk was protecting churches, none of them would have been burnt...
> >
> > Don't be ridiculous...
> > There are some allegations that members of tmk (Kosovski zastitni
korpus?)
> > participated in those events.
>
> deeds of an individual are not deeds of the institution...
Should I use that argument when we talk about Serbian army and police?
> and, çeku
> was one of the first people to ask for the demonstrations to be
> stopped...tmk has the respect of the people and people will listen to
> them. on the other hand, they are wise enough to try to live and work
> together with other people, something that can't be said for the other
> military groups in the balkans...
>
Milosevic was also giving such statements in public but done horrible things
in the meantime. I firmly believe that if Ceku, Tachi and Co. didn't wanted
all those things to happen or wanted to stop it things would be much
different.
> > > if serbs accept living properly in kosova, nobody will maletreat them;
> >
> > They are not living properly?
> > That is reason for maltreatment?
>
> they are not...blocking the main streets of kosova is asking to be
> maltreated...
>
Protest because shooting of civilians is "asking to be maltreated"?
What kind of society are you building there? You were saying something about
lunatics next door?
> > > albanians have bigger worries than serbs...
> >
> > They don't act that way.
>
> well, serbs are small and weak, so it is easy to hit them...and, they
> act like being big and important, so they ask for it...
Don't say that someone asked to be murdered or that someone asked to for his
house to be burned. How would you feel if someone told you that you asked
for your house to be destroyed?
> tell me just
> one simple and very unimportant thing: why they don't use kosovar car
> plates?
>
They are citizens of Serbia and feel that they have the right to use Serbian
car plates. (I presume)
> > >and, yugoslav (or whatever
> > > you call it) army would not make it safer for serbs...
> >
> > I agree... but if ethnic cleansing continues, something must be done.
>
> yes...people should be educated and tought to trust each
> other...sending biased armies like the yugoslav one is the worst thing
> to do...
>
I agree on the first sentence again, but if there are strong indications
that Albanians don't want to live with Serbs in Kosovo and there has been
plenty of such indications in past 5 years, something must be done to
protect the people.
> >
> > c/p:
> > > > I agree, like similar payment and apologies should be directed
towards
> > > > Serbia...
> > >
> > > by whom, by nato? you must be kidding...
> >
> > ... as serious as you are about your place...
>
> well, it was always safe for people from serbia: there were four wars
> in the balkans in the last 15 years, and none happened in serbia. they
> think all these things happened someplace else and serbia has nothing
> to do with it...so, i doubt you'll understand...
Who said that Serbia has nothing to do with past wars? And last one was in
Serbia.
> and, you're not funny nor serious...now you want restitution for the
> brigdes on which you did turbo folk and we defy the west
> parties...remember, in sarajeva people died in the market; in
> srebrenica people died; in vukovar people were put in hospital and
> then murdered, old men; genocide was done by the serbs, not to the
> serbs.
No difference in what the Serbs did and what was done to them except in
numbers. Serbian civilians died in that Sarajevo, in Vukovar, in Srebrenica,
and you know it well. Not in such numbers but they died too. Individuals
from Serbian, Croatian, Muslim, Albanian nation committed terrific crimes
and such an attitude that only Serbs are guilty will do no good to anyone in
the Balkans.
> playing the game of the victim when you're not, is not honest,
> i guess that's why nobody likes you in the balkans...
How would you call those killed, forced away, those whose property was
destroyed just couple of weeks ago in your neighborhood, if not victims?
>i mean, does
> serbia has any alies? who likes serbs? greeks? macedonians? man...
And having strong allies means that you are right, right? :)))))
Dardan
and causing pain to other nations.
The key to the Serbian psychological self-image is:
Rule upon others with abuse and pride.
This has been for centuries but fortunately in 1999 this long term
historical image of the self has entered a crisis. This has caused great
disturbances among the collective psyche as well as the Serb individual.
This disturbance is expressing itself in the pro-fascist movements inside
Serbia, poverty and preoccupation with issues such as Kosova, all designed
to revive the self-image of the Ruler.
Serbia went to great lengths to ensure this psychological profile stays in
place but all it has managed is to accelerate its own collapse. In other
words, to be a ruler one must rule something, Serbia has lost this
forever. Rejoice world for another culture is about to change and become
more docile and peaceful (with the greatest of hope).
If on the other hand Serbia does not change and accept that people are
free to choose their path and destiny we are faced with a hard decision,
we (Europe) either impose European culture to this self destructive
culture and destroy the self-image or we
force Serbia into isolation and using economic and cultural pressure we
bring it upon compliance with Europe.
It would grieve my heart if the need came to apply the same methods we
applied to Nazi Germany, but if need be, a culture far from God and far
from goodness must be brought back both for its own sake and for the sake
of those that need to live with it, Europe (Bosnia, Croatia, Albania, Kosova and
Romas).
dardan
Gjergj Kastrioti
> "Gjergj Kastrioti" <skend...@ilirus.com> wrote in message
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>
> Should I use that argument when we talk about Serbian army and police?
absolutely...
> > and, çeku
> > was one of the first people to ask for the demonstrations to be
> > stopped...tmk has the respect of the people and people will listen to
> > them. on the other hand, they are wise enough to try to live and work
> > together with other people, something that can't be said for the other
> > military groups in the balkans...
> >
>
> Milosevic was also giving such statements in public but done horrible things
> in the meantime. I firmly believe that if Ceku, Tachi and Co. didn't wanted
> all those things to happen or wanted to stop it things would be much
> different.
comapring milosevic with çeku, thaçi and co. is nonsense...milosevic
was president, he was the commander in chief of an army, he had state
institutions behind him...çeku and company have only good will...and
çeku and company made things different...
back to the first sentence of this post: you have a national program
which is genocidial; remember cubrilovic? you have put genocide in
institutions, and my sentence says: deeds of an individual are not
deeds of the institution, which sums up to the fact that your
institutions suck!
> > they are not...blocking the main streets of kosova is asking to be
> > maltreated...
> >
>
> Protest because shooting of civilians is "asking to be maltreated"?
> What kind of society are you building there? You were saying something about
> lunatics next door?
this logic of yours means that the demonstrations of albanians were
fully justified: chasing three kids with dogs, of course that by this
logic you should kick all the serbs out of kosova...or, think deeper:
doing a war in kosova five years ago, of course you should kick all
the serbs out of the balkans...
society we are trying to build is: you have a problem? talk to
authorities, find the penetrator, judge him, take him to
prison...serbs should help in this, not be an obstacle...
>
> > tell me just
> > one simple and very unimportant thing: why they don't use kosovar car
> > plates?
> >
>
> They are citizens of Serbia and feel that they have the right to use Serbian
> car plates. (I presume)
now, if i would like to feel like an american, can i put american
plates? or like chinese for that matter? or maybe martian? how about
feeling like borg? can i have a space craft so i can fly around?
do serbs have a notion of convection? living together with other
people, so they could try to make a better place for everybody? are
serbs civilised, which means to live in society? i think they are, but
i don't know what's wrong with them these days...i think they are
affraid of the new situation, of how the world is evolving...i think
they were so happy in comunism, so they didn't want to let it
go...they lost (can't turn the world upside down), so they embrased
nacism...that's wrong man, that's being a lunatic...and, i'm affraid,
the desease is spreading...
> > yes...people should be educated and tought to trust each
> > other...sending biased armies like the yugoslav one is the worst thing
> > to do...
> >
>
> I agree on the first sentence again, but if there are strong indications
> that Albanians don't want to live with Serbs in Kosovo and there has been
> plenty of such indications in past 5 years, something must be done to
> protect the people.
on the contrary: albanians for the last 5 years showed that they are
capable of living with serbs. we didn't go crazy like people, i.e. in
iraq went, because we reached an agreement with the world: let's try
to make things better for everybody...
> > well, it was always safe for people from serbia: there were four wars
> > in the balkans in the last 15 years, and none happened in serbia. they
> > think all these things happened someplace else and serbia has nothing
> > to do with it...so, i doubt you'll understand...
>
> Who said that Serbia has nothing to do with past wars? And last one was in
> Serbia.
nope - no foreing soldier step foot in serbia...and kosova is not
serbia, by definition.
> No difference in what the Serbs did and what was done to them except in
> numbers. Serbian civilians died in that Sarajevo, in Vukovar, in Srebrenica,
> and you know it well. Not in such numbers but they died too. Individuals
> from Serbian, Croatian, Muslim, Albanian nation committed terrific crimes
> and such an attitude that only Serbs are guilty will do no good to anyone in
> the Balkans.
numbers matter, and they matter a lot...what still matters more is
that serbs acted through institutions, while all other places had to
start from scracth...
>
> > playing the game of the victim when you're not, is not honest,
> > i guess that's why nobody likes you in the balkans...
>
> How would you call those killed, forced away, those whose property was
> destroyed just couple of weeks ago in your neighborhood, if not victims?
now they are victims, before they were not...and serbs in kosova are
victims, not serbs in serbia...anyway, serbs in serbia never cared at
all about serbs in kosova; just used them...
>
> >i mean, does
> > serbia has any alies? who likes serbs? greeks? macedonians? man...
>
> And having strong allies means that you are right, right? :)))))
not only strong, but weak as well...and yes, if the entire world says
you're right, then in politics you are right; especially if the entire
world says so...it's a matter of principle...
trimi i mire me shoke shume...
payton
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> "payton" <payton@__eunet.yu> wrote in message
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> >
things
> > in the meantime. I firmly believe that if Ceku, Tachi and Co. didn't
wanted
> > all those things to happen or wanted to stop it things would be much
> > different.
>
> comapring milosevic with çeku, thaçi and co. is nonsense...milosevic
> was president, he was the commander in chief of an army, he had state
> institutions behind him...çeku and company have only good will...and
> çeku and company made things different...
You want me to believe that former commanders of KLA and curent political
leaders of Kosovo Albanians have only "good will" and no other influence on
current events?
> back to the first sentence of this post: you have a national program
> which is genocidial;
National program?
> remember cubrilovic? you have put genocide in
> institutions, and my sentence says: deeds of an individual are not
> deeds of the institution, which sums up to the fact that your
> institutions suck!
>
Fact? :)))
> > > they are not...blocking the main streets of kosova is asking to be
> > > maltreated...
> > >
> >
> > Protest because shooting of civilians is "asking to be maltreated"?
> > What kind of society are you building there? You were saying something
about
> > lunatics next door?
>
> this logic of yours means that the demonstrations of albanians were
> fully justified: chasing three kids with dogs, of course that by this
> logic you should kick all the serbs out of kosova...or, think deeper:
> doing a war in kosova five years ago, of course you should kick all
> the serbs out of the balkans...
Well if you want to compare peaceful protest (blocking the road) with ethnic
cleansing (burning houses, churches, killing people)... than you can maybe
come to those conclusions... I don't.
> society we are trying to build is: you have a problem? talk to
> authorities, find the penetrator, judge him, take him to
> prison...
>
So different from what is actualy happening in Kosovo...
> >
> > > tell me just
> > > one simple and very unimportant thing: why they don't use kosovar car
> > > plates?
> > >
> >
> > They are citizens of Serbia and feel that they have the right to use
Serbian
> > car plates. (I presume)
>
> now, if i would like to feel like an american, can i put american
> plates? or like chinese for that matter? or maybe martian? how about
> feeling like borg? can i have a space craft so i can fly around?
Well if you live in part of America, China or Mars...
> >
> > I agree on the first sentence again, but if there are strong indications
> > that Albanians don't want to live with Serbs in Kosovo and there has
been
> > plenty of such indications in past 5 years, something must be done to
> > protect the people.
>
> on the contrary: albanians for the last 5 years showed that they are
> capable of living with serbs.
... by killing Serbs and destroying their property...
> >
> > Who said that Serbia has nothing to do with past wars? And last one was
in
> > Serbia.
>
> nope - no foreing soldier step foot in serbia...and kosova is not
> serbia, by definition.
>
Kosovo was and still is part of Serbia. What will be the final status, we
don't know. Actually, I think that it will be independent but for now it
isn't.
> >
> > >i mean, does
> > > serbia has any alies? who likes serbs? greeks? macedonians? man...
> >
> > And having strong allies means that you are right, right? :)))))
>
> not only strong, but weak as well...and yes, if the entire world says
> you're right, then in politics you are right; especially if the entire
> world says so...it's a matter of principle...
>
"Entire world" :)))
Gjergj Kastrioti
> You want me to believe that former commanders of KLA and curent political
> leaders of Kosovo Albanians have only "good will" and no other influence on
> current events?
you can believe anything you want, i'm just asking you to think
clearly and see the facts for yourself...
i didn't say they don't have influence. in fact they have, they are
political (thaçi) or institutional leaders (çeku). but, their
influence is limited and against the last demonstrations, if that is
what you call current events...
> > back to the first sentence of this post: you have a national program
> > which is genocidial;
>
> National program?
yeap...
> > remember cubrilovic? you have put genocide in
> > institutions, and my sentence says: deeds of an individual are not
> > deeds of the institution, which sums up to the fact that your
> > institutions suck!
> >
>
> Fact? :)))
yes...
are we playing hide and seek now?
> > > Protest because shooting of civilians is "asking to be maltreated"?
> > > What kind of society are you building there? You were saying something
> about
> > > lunatics next door?
> >
> > this logic of yours means that the demonstrations of albanians were
> > fully justified: chasing three kids with dogs, of course that by this
> > logic you should kick all the serbs out of kosova...or, think deeper:
> > doing a war in kosova five years ago, of course you should kick all
> > the serbs out of the balkans...
>
> Well if you want to compare peaceful protest (blocking the road) with ethnic
> cleansing (burning houses, churches, killing people)... than you can maybe
> come to those conclusions... I don't.
peace is a good thing, but justice is better...and this peacefull
protest was not just...
if unmik can't bring justice for the sake of the peace of minorities,
if nato can't bring it for the sake of not mudding the waters of
minorities, then people themsleves will...
> > society we are trying to build is: you have a problem? talk to
> > authorities, find the penetrator, judge him, take him to
> > prison...
> >
>
> So different from what is actualy happening in Kosovo...
don't generalise...you know, this is the balkans, a place which just
finished four wars...why can't you say a good word and encourage a
good deed? people are trying and give them credit for that...because,
if you don't, to them it will not matter anymore whether they do good
or whether they kick serbs out of their homes and put the fire in
those...
demonstrations of three weeks ago could have happened much earlier and
with worse outcome...
> > now, if i would like to feel like an american, can i put american
> > plates? or like chinese for that matter? or maybe martian? how about
> > feeling like borg? can i have a space craft so i can fly around?
>
> Well if you live in part of America, China or Mars...
so, why serbs keep those plates? they are not living in yugoslavia any
more...the latest news was that there is no more yugoslavia...and, the
answer to the most important part of this paragraph is missing...
> > > I agree on the first sentence again, but if there are strong indications
> > > that Albanians don't want to live with Serbs in Kosovo and there has
> been
> > > plenty of such indications in past 5 years, something must be done to
> > > protect the people.
> >
> > on the contrary: albanians for the last 5 years showed that they are
> > capable of living with serbs.
>
> ... by killing Serbs and destroying their property...
nope...i could do just as you did before, asking for facts, but i
won't...you know that what you just wrote is just to opose me, not
because you know that's true...more albanians were killed than serbs
in the last five years, after thye war...if you refer to the last
demonstrations, more albanians were killed than serbs...
> > > Who said that Serbia has nothing to do with past wars? And last one was
> in
> > > Serbia.
> >
> > nope - no foreing soldier step foot in serbia...and kosova is not
> > serbia, by definition.
> >
>
> Kosovo was and still is part of Serbia. What will be the final status, we
> don't know. Actually, I think that it will be independent but for now it
> isn't.
it was part of yugoslavia, but not serbia...kosova gave the rotational
president of yugoslavia...i never ever had a serbian passport, but i
had a yugoslav one...and, occupation doesn't mean being part, it just
mean being occupied...you can call it "restoring the constitution" or
"taking what belongs to us", but if more than 90% of the people of
that place call it occupation, than it is occupation...
> "Entire world" :)))
hide and seek again?
payton
"Gjergj Kastrioti" <skend...@ilirus.com> wrote in message
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>
> > You want me to believe that former commanders of KLA and curent
political
> > leaders of Kosovo Albanians have only "good will" and no other influence
on
> > current events?
>
> you can believe anything you want, i'm just asking you to think
> clearly and see the facts for yourself...
> i didn't say they don't have influence. in fact they have, they are
> political (thaçi) or institutional leaders (çeku). but, their
> influence is limited and against the last demonstrations, if that is
> what you call current events...
>
No, I call that ethnic cleansing... and I believe that their influence
worked in the other way... not publicly of course...
> > > back to the first sentence of this post: you have a national program
> > > which is genocidial;
> >
> > National program?
>
> yeap...
>
Dont have a clue about what you are talking about...
> > > remember cubrilovic? you have put genocide in
> > > institutions, and my sentence says: deeds of an individual are not
> > > deeds of the institution, which sums up to the fact that your
> > > institutions suck!
> > >
> >
> > Fact? :)))
>
> yes...
> are we playing hide and seek now?
>
No.
There were no "genocide in the institutions"
> > >
> > > this logic of yours means that the demonstrations of albanians were
> > > fully justified: chasing three kids with dogs, of course that by this
> > > logic you should kick all the serbs out of kosova...or, think deeper:
> > > doing a war in kosova five years ago, of course you should kick all
> > > the serbs out of the balkans...
> >
> > Well if you want to compare peaceful protest (blocking the road) with
ethnic
> > cleansing (burning houses, churches, killing people)... than you can
maybe
> > come to those conclusions... I don't.
>
> peace is a good thing, but justice is better...and this peacefull
> protest was not just...
> if unmik can't bring justice for the sake of the peace of minorities,
> if nato can't bring it for the sake of not mudding the waters of
> minorities, then people themsleves will...
>
You mean that after more than 1000 killed or missing in the past 5 years of
peace, and a drive by shooting, one community cant block one road as a sign
of protest... and more... (if I properly understood what you tried to say)
that killing people from that community and burning their houses and
churches is justice?
> > > now, if i would like to feel like an american, can i put american
> > > plates? or like chinese for that matter? or maybe martian? how about
> > > feeling like borg? can i have a space craft so i can fly around?
> >
> > Well if you live in part of America, China or Mars...
>
> so, why serbs keep those plates? they are not living in yugoslavia any
> more...the latest news was that there is no more yugoslavia...
They live in autonomous province Kosovo and Metohija which is part of
Republic of Serbia which is part of Serbia and Montenegro...
> and, the
> answer to the most important part of this paragraph is missing...
>
What important part? That Serbs are crazy or that they were so happy in
comunism? :)
> > > > I agree on the first sentence again, but if there are strong
indications
> > > > that Albanians don't want to live with Serbs in Kosovo and there has
> > been
> > > > plenty of such indications in past 5 years, something must be done
to
> > > > protect the people.
> > >
> > > on the contrary: albanians for the last 5 years showed that they are
> > > capable of living with serbs.
> >
> > ... by killing Serbs and destroying their property...
>
> nope...i could do just as you did before, asking for facts, but i
> won't...you know that what you just wrote is just to opose me, not
> because you know that's true...more albanians were killed than serbs
> in the last five years, after thye war...
Facts about serbian victims shouldnt be to hard to find. Casualties with
names, not just media estimates... I can if you desire it...
> if you refer to the last
> demonstrations, more albanians were killed than serbs...
>
By KFOR, not by Serbs... in an attack on Serbian villages...
> > > > Who said that Serbia has nothing to do with past wars? And last one
was
> > in
> > > > Serbia.
> > >
> > > nope - no foreing soldier step foot in serbia...and kosova is not
> > > serbia, by definition.
> > >
> >
> > Kosovo was and still is part of Serbia. What will be the final status,
we
> > don't know. Actually, I think that it will be independent but for now it
> > isn't.
>
> it was part of yugoslavia, but not serbia...kosova gave the rotational
> president of yugoslavia...i never ever had a serbian passport, but i
> had a yugoslav one...and, occupation doesn't mean being part, it just
> mean being occupied...you can call it "restoring the constitution" or
> "taking what belongs to us", but if more than 90% of the people of
> that place call it occupation, than it is occupation...
>
Kosovo was autonomous province of Serbia (as it was written in SFRJ and
Serbia's constitutions).
Fact that after 1974, two of Serbia's autonomous provinces had some rights
in federal institutions and some other right that are given only to
republics, isn't relevant argument for the issue.
> > "Entire world" :)))
>
> hide and seek again?
Just a lie (or mistake) so obvious that isn't worth of reply...
Gjergj Kastrioti
> No, I call that ethnic cleansing... and I believe that their influence
> worked in the other way... not publicly of course...
so, you do hide and seek again? now with psychic powers: you know what
they think...that's cute...
> There were no "genocide in the institutions"
your president is charged with that...army chiefs are charged with
that...even not so long time back rankovic did that, but it was not
called it...
> You mean that after more than 1000 killed or missing in the past 5 years of
> peace, and a drive by shooting, one community cant block one road as a sign
> of protest... and more... (if I properly understood what you tried to say)
> that killing people from that community and burning their houses and
> churches is justice?
there is no problem with blocking one road as a sign of a
protest...the problem is with blocking the road, not accepting plates,
having double salaries, openly and secretly sabotaging the
institutions of kosova, not helping, and stuff like that...
and, please read carefully, becuase i am really getting tired of this:
killing is not justice, opening the road is justice...when you see a
community coming towards you with an aim, you should think what you're
doing...stubborness will not resole anything...albanians didn't go
with the aim to kill and destroy serbs, they wanted the road
opened...the fact that the situation got out of their control is
albanians fault, for what they are being partly blamed, deservingly...
> They live in autonomous province Kosovo and Metohija which is part of
> Republic of Serbia which is part of Serbia and Montenegro...
now this is not funny...being a borg is closer to reality and more
serious than the fun with s&m (i mean the country, not the sexual
methods)...
> > and, the
> > answer to the most important part of this paragraph is missing...
> >
>
> What important part? That Serbs are crazy or that they were so happy in
> comunism? :)
being civilised...i'm tired and bored from this discussion...
> Facts about serbian victims shouldnt be to hard to find. Casualties with
> names, not just media estimates... I can if you desire it...
well, you have victims all over the world...now, put those names in
the framework of kosova, its near past and its economical and
political situation, and compare with the crimes on the other
direction, and then come up with a nice sociological study and
afterwards we talk...
> > if you refer to the last
> > demonstrations, more albanians were killed than serbs...
> >
>
> By KFOR, not by Serbs... in an attack on Serbian villages...
by serbs as well...check b92 news on 17th about gunfire trade in
mitorvica...
> Kosovo was autonomous province of Serbia (as it was written in SFRJ and
> Serbia's constitutions).
> Fact that after 1974, two of Serbia's autonomous provinces had some rights
> in federal institutions and some other right that are given only to
> republics, isn't relevant argument for the issue.
the fact is that serbia was not a state...serbia belonged to
yugoslavia, which belonged to the nonaligned movement, which was part
of the poor and funny states of the world, which was ... i can
continue this for long time, but it won't change tha fact that kosova
was either occupied and ruled by military, or was at the same level of
responsibility as serbia...
btw, i'm busy, tired and bored from this discussion...
payton
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>
>
> your president is charged with that...army chiefs are charged with
> that...even not so long time back rankovic did that, but it was not
> called it...
>
Like you said "deeds of an individual are not deeds of the institution"
> > You mean that after more than 1000 killed or missing in the past 5 years
of
> > peace, and a drive by shooting, one community cant block one road as a
sign
> > of protest... and more... (if I properly understood what you tried to
say)
> > that killing people from that community and burning their houses and
> > churches is justice?
>
> there is no problem with blocking one road as a sign of a
> protest...the problem is with blocking the road, not accepting plates,
They hurt someone wirh those plates?
> having double salaries,
Double salaries?
> openly and secretly sabotaging the
> institutions of kosova,
You boycotted Serbian institutions for years. That is legal political
struggle. And the way those institutions are treating them, they have no
choice...
> not helping, and stuff like that...
> and, please read carefully, becuase i am really getting tired of this:
> killing is not justice, opening the road is justice...when you see a
> community coming towards you with an aim, you should think what you're
> doing...stubborness will not resole anything...albanians didn't go
> with the aim to kill and destroy serbs, they wanted the road
> opened...the fact that the situation got out of their control is
> albanians fault, for what they are being partly blamed, deservingly...
>
It was (according to a NATO admiral Johnson, chief for this part of Europe)
"simultaneous and synchronized" attack on most of Serbian communities in
Kosovo... and he called that "actions that amasses to ethnic cleansing"...
so your notion that aim of those events were to lift the blockade of that
road is ridiculous at least...
> > They live in autonomous province Kosovo and Metohija which is part of
> > Republic of Serbia which is part of Serbia and Montenegro...
>
> now this is not funny...being a borg is closer to reality and more
> serious than the fun with s&m (i mean the country, not the sexual
> methods)...
>
Ok, so Kosovo is part of what? It isn't internationally recognized state for
sure...
> >
> > What important part? That Serbs are crazy or that they were so happy in
> > comunism? :)
>
> being civilised...i'm tired and bored from this discussion...
>
They are civilized...
> > > if you refer to the last
> > > demonstrations, more albanians were killed than serbs...
> > >
> >
> > By KFOR, not by Serbs... in an attack on Serbian villages...
>
> by serbs as well...check b92 news on 17th about gunfire trade in
> mitorvica...
>
...Serbian part of Mitrovica... and I my mistake, I meant to say that most
Albanians were killed by KFOR... or that in exchange of fire between Serbs
and Albanians more Serbs were killed...
> > Kosovo was autonomous province of Serbia (as it was written in SFRJ and
> > Serbia's constitutions).
> > Fact that after 1974, two of Serbia's autonomous provinces had some
rights
> > in federal institutions and some other right that are given only to
> > republics, isn't relevant argument for the issue.
>
> the fact is that serbia was not a state...serbia belonged to
> yugoslavia,
Serbia was fedaral unit (republic) in Yugoslavian federation.
> but it won't change tha fact that kosova
> was either occupied and ruled by military, or was at the same level of
> responsibility as serbia...
>
Either this or either that... as long as you are right, right? :))))
Kosovo was part of Serbia as already proved and for the other "either" you
have to be independent state once to be occupied afterwards...
> btw, i'm busy, tired and bored from this discussion...
No one is forcing you to participate... and it is boring...
Gjergj Kastrioti
> Like you said "deeds of an individual are not deeds of the institution"
yes, but in serbian case it is the instituion which does the bad
deeds...if a serbian president has a moderate attitute towards kosova,
he'll be shot...
> They hurt someone wirh those plates?
exactly, because kosovar plates don't hurt anybody, they should put
them...albanians didn't design those plates, otherwise you'd have the
big two-headed black eagle in those...
what's the point of still using yugoslav ones? want to bring tito back
to life, or want to defy the new developments in kosova? as i said,
this is a small and very unimportant issue, which tells a lot about
serbian attitude...
> You boycotted Serbian institutions for years. That is legal political
> struggle. And the way those institutions are treating them, they have no
> choice...
the thing is that these institutions are not built by albanians alone,
but by the international community as well...working together...
comapring previous serbian institutions with today's kosovar
institutions - i wonder how ridiculous that is?
> It was (according to a NATO admiral Johnson, chief for this part of Europe)
> "simultaneous and synchronized" attack on most of Serbian communities in
> Kosovo... and he called that "actions that amasses to ethnic cleansing"...
> so your notion that aim of those events were to lift the blockade of that
> road is ridiculous at least...
it grew up to be that, for which, as i said, albanians are to be
blamed...they should have known better...maltreating people doesn't
benefit at all - kosovars should learn from what happened to serbia...
> Ok, so Kosovo is part of what? It isn't internationally recognized state for
> sure...
i don't know...i'm still searching for the wise man to tell me that...
riddle me this: i have two passports of two nonexisting countries - is
jozef k. or am i in a stranger position?
one thing tho, kosova belongs to the people who live there, no?
> ...Serbian part of Mitrovica... and I my mistake, I meant to say that most
> Albanians were killed by KFOR... or that in exchange of fire between Serbs
> and Albanians more Serbs were killed...
this doesn't mean they are victims, it just says that they are worst
in shooting...
payton
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> > Like you said "deeds of an individual are not deeds of the institution"
>
> yes, but in serbian case it is the instituion which does the bad
> deeds...
Not.
> if a serbian president has a moderate attitute towards kosova,
> he'll be shot...
>
Not.
> > They hurt someone wirh those plates?
>
> exactly, because kosovar plates don't hurt anybody, they should put
> them...albanians didn't design those plates, otherwise you'd have the
> big two-headed black eagle in those...
> what's the point of still using yugoslav ones? want to bring tito back
> to life, or want to defy the new developments in kosova? as i said,
> this is a small and very unimportant issue, which tells a lot about
> serbian attitude...
>
Point of using Serbian ones is that Kosovo (formaly at least) is
> > You boycotted Serbian institutions for years. That is legal political
> > struggle. And the way those institutions are treating them, they have no
> > choice...
>
> the thing is that these institutions are not built by albanians alone,
> but by the international community as well...working together...
> comapring previous serbian institutions with today's kosovar
> institutions - i wonder how ridiculous that is?
>
When I think about it... yes, it is ridiculous... Albanian MP's never
traveled to parliament in UN armored vehicles...
> one thing tho, kosova belongs to the people who live there, no?
>
Really?
And, for example: north part of Kosovo belongs to... people who live there?
> > ...Serbian part of Mitrovica... and I my mistake, I meant to say that
most
> > Albanians were killed by KFOR... or that in exchange of fire between
Serbs
> > and Albanians more Serbs were killed...
>
> this doesn't mean they are victims, it just says that they are worst
> in shooting...
Was that supposed to be funny?