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Laurie

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about this
until this happened, but there are several stories that he had been in
several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who knew about
it. Also that the marriage was for convenience, with the express consent of
his wife that he could see other men whenever he wanted. In fact, it has
been said that at the time of his death he was in a romantic relationship
with a very well known celebrity (John Travolta?). Anyone have more info on
this?

Ms. Diva to you.....

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Ok, can we stop with the gay rumors here? This is sad. THe man is dead and now
all of a sudden his sexuality, intelligence, status, ect comes into question.
Does it really matter now? The answer is no....


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got there first" Steven Tyler

razz

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Ms. Diva to you..... wrote:

> Ok, can we stop with the gay rumors here? This is sad. THe man is dead and now
> all of a sudden his sexuality, intelligence, status, ect comes into question.
> Does it really matter now? The answer is no....

And the answer is wrong!

Razz


Grnbrier

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razz wrote:

>Razz

Indeed it *is* wrong, Razz. Everyone here in Washington *knew* he flew that
plane to "somewhere over the rainbow" for cheap dramatic effect. Such a drama
queen he was.

Doogie

Terence P Higgins

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From article <7nmb6t$8es$0...@dosa.alt.net>, by "Laurie" <lau...@marthas.vineyard>:

> Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about this
until this happened, but there are several stories that he had been in
several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who knew about
it. Also that the marriage was for convenience, with the express consent of
his wife that he could see other men whenever he wanted. In fact, it has
been said that at the time of his death he was in a romantic relationship
with a very well known celebrity (John Travolta?). Anyone have more info on
this?

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Earl Evleth

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Laurie (lau...@marthas.vineyard) wrote:
: Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about this

: until this happened, but there are several stories that he had been in
: several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who knew about
: it. Also that the marriage was for convenience, with the express consent of
: his wife that he could see other men whenever he wanted. In fact, it has
: been said that at the time of his death he was in a romantic relationship
: with a very well known celebrity (John Travolta?). Anyone have more info on
: this?

Any rumor will do at a time like this! Maybe yes, maybe no.
Some of us might not care in any case or just not care to know.

Suzy

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Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaase -- Why waste your time on this! Nothin' better
to do? How sad.............

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Keith Lowell

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Laurie wrote:
>
> Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about this
> until this happened, but there are several stories that he had been in
> several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who knew about
> it. Also that the marriage was for convenience, with the express consent of
> his wife that he could see other men whenever he wanted. In fact, it has
> been said that at the time of his death he was in a romantic relationship
> with a very well known celebrity (John Travolta?). Anyone have more info on
> this?

I heard the same thing, except the Hollywood hunk he was with is Richard
Gere, not Travolta.

Wonder if JFK was the top or the bottom. I say bottom.

Randy Simms

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On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:24:52 -0700, "Laurie" <lau...@marthas.vineyard>
wrote:

>Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about this
>until this happened, but there are several stories that he had been in
>several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who knew about
>it. Also that the marriage was for convenience, with the express consent of
>his wife that he could see other men whenever he wanted. In fact, it has
>been said that at the time of his death he was in a romantic relationship
>with a very well known celebrity (John Travolta?). Anyone have more info on
>this?

Wrong. He was bisexual, not gay.

Miss Frederica Toussaint Malveaux

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Keith Lowell wrote:

> Laurie wrote:
> >
> > Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about this
> > until this happened, but there are several stories that he had been in
> > several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who knew about
> > it. Also that the marriage was for convenience, with the express consent of
> > his wife that he could see other men whenever he wanted. In fact, it has
> > been said that at the time of his death he was in a romantic relationship
> > with a very well known celebrity (John Travolta?). Anyone have more info on
> > this?
>

> I heard the same thing, except the Hollywood hunk he was with is Richard
> Gere, not Travolta.
>
> Wonder if JFK was the top or the bottom. I say bottom.

Can't you work some gerbils into this scenario?

Peep...@webtv.net

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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Simms sassed:

>Wrong. He was bisexual, not gay.

According to my Gotham galpal, baby, JFK jr.'s exploits w/ females were
more 'duty-lays' than 'passion-lays'. The passion was reserved for
guys.

NOT that there's anything wrong or unusual about a gay Adonis .......


Hugs, honey,
Janice


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says she is Eleanor Roosevelt and she and her husband promoted and then
the husband signed the bill that did away with the center of Roosevelt's
legacy to this country, Aid
to Dependent Children. She was in on killing it and now she says her
whole life is devoted to women and children."

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Peep...@webtv.net

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Doogie:

>Everyone here in Washington *knew* he
>flew that plane to "somewhere over the
>rainbow" for cheap dramatic effect.
>Such a drama queen he was.

Wonder why he didn't bring *his* dog along for the ride?!

Toto-hugs,
Janice, who (natch) agrees w/ Freud that there ARE no accidents &,
therefore, there was a measure of intent in Jr.'s crash.

Loren Deichman

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Four words.... WHO GIVES A SHIT?

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razz

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Randy Simms wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:24:52 -0700, "Laurie" <lau...@marthas.vineyard>
> wrote:
>

> >Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about this
> >until this happened, but there are several stories that he had been in
> >several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who knew about
> >it. Also that the marriage was for convenience, with the express consent of
> >his wife that he could see other men whenever he wanted. In fact, it has
> >been said that at the time of his death he was in a romantic relationship
> >with a very well known celebrity (John Travolta?). Anyone have more info on
> >this?
>

> Wrong. He was bisexual, not gay.

I have gay friends who claim there is no such thing as a bisexual. They're all really
gay.

Razz - remembering the friend who used to boast, 'Once you've had me, you'll never
want another woman'


NAD

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"Ms. Diva to you....." wrote:

> Ok, can we stop with the gay rumors here? This is sad. THe man is dead and now
> all of a sudden his sexuality, intelligence, status, ect comes into question.
> Does it really matter now? The answer is no....
>

> >Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about this
> >until this happened, but there are several stories that he had been in
> >several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who knew about
> >it. Also that the marriage was for convenience, with the express consent of
> >his wife that he could see other men whenever he wanted. In fact, it has
> >been said that at the time of his death he was in a romantic relationship
> >with a very well known celebrity (John Travolta?). Anyone have more info on
> >this?
>

> Official Keeper of Carlos Santana and Patti Labelle
>
> "Men are only as faithful as their options" Chris Rock
>
> "The things that come to those who wait are probably things left by those who
> got there first" Steven Tyler

Will you shut the f... up. The poor man died and your writing some disrespectful
shit on him!!!!!!!!
You are so sad. Get a life. I can't believe the MENTALITY of people like you!!!
Get a LIFE!!
And who the hell cares if he was?! Respect and mourn for one of the greatest in
our lifetime.
(You got me so mad I can't even think straight)


Matthew McConnelly

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e...@liliput.lct.jussieu.fr (Earl Evleth) wrote:

>Laurie (lau...@marthas.vineyard) wrote:
>: Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about this


>: until this happened, but there are several stories that he had been in
>: several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who knew about
>: it. Also that the marriage was for convenience, with the express consent of
>: his wife that he could see other men whenever he wanted. In fact, it has
>: been said that at the time of his death he was in a romantic relationship
>: with a very well known celebrity (John Travolta?). Anyone have more info on
>: this?
>

>Any rumor will do at a time like this! Maybe yes, maybe no.
>Some of us might not care in any case or just not care to know.

Yeah, you can't believe everything you hear.

Like that rumor that John Jr. was boinking a nigger (their word).
Turns out there was no nigger in John's life, it was really a dark
Puerto Rican. A dancer IIRC.

I say bi definitely, gay mayyybe...


David Migicovsky

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razz <ra...@dis.net.au> wrote in article <379F8253...@dis.net.au>...

>
> I have gay friends who claim there is no such thing as a bisexual.
They're all really
> gay.

Needless to say, your gay friends are wrong.

HOWEVER, a combination of gay men initially claiming to be bisexual before
coming out as gay (such as Elton John, for example) perhaps because they
suffer from the delusion that bisexuals are more accepted than gays (when
in fact they are far less accepted) coupled with the relative invisibility
of real bisexuals leads some people to believe that all bisexuals are
really closeted gays.

So in short, saying that there are no bisexuals is rather like saying there
are no Australians, just closeted New Zealanders who can't face the stigma
of being known for shagging sheep.

BTW, given the widespread antipathy towards bisexuals in both the gay and
straight community, despite what Woody Allen said, being bisexual does not
double your chances. It greatly reduces them.


razz

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David Migicovsky wrote:

> razz <ra...@dis.net.au> wrote in article <379F8253...@dis.net.au>...
>
> >
> > I have gay friends who claim there is no such thing as a bisexual.
> They're all really
> > gay.
>
> Needless to say, your gay friends are wrong.
>
> HOWEVER, a combination of gay men initially claiming to be bisexual before
> coming out as gay (such as Elton John, for example) perhaps because they
> suffer from the delusion that bisexuals are more accepted than gays (when
> in fact they are far less accepted) coupled with the relative invisibility
> of real bisexuals leads some people to believe that all bisexuals are
> really closeted gays.

I think that is probably a reasonable explanation. I have to admit I've known few
true bisexuals (assuming they do exist and the tag wasn't just applied to excuse
sexual experimentation). However, I have met people who have, in my opinion, been
omnisexual (man woman or brown dog and I mean that literally). We have an expression,
he'd fuck a snake if he could get someone to hold the head.

> So in short, saying that there are no bisexuals is rather like saying there
> are no Australians, just closeted New Zealanders who can't face the stigma
> of being known for shagging sheep.

You'll really have to get over this thing you have about sheep, David.

> BTW, given the widespread antipathy towards bisexuals in both the gay and
> straight community, despite what Woody Allen said, being bisexual does not
> double your chances. It greatly reduces them.

You're right about, although they were briefly fashionable a while ago. But like most
men, I have to say that doesn't apply to bisexual women.

Razz


David Migicovsky

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razz <ra...@dis.net.au> wrote in article <379FC7FC...@dis.net.au>...

I've known some true bisexuals -- that is, people who honestly desire
people of both sexes -- but relatively few. I think it's foolhardy to say
that there's *any* form of sexuality that doesn't exist.

>
> > So in short, saying that there are no bisexuals is rather like saying
there
> > are no Australians, just closeted New Zealanders who can't face the
stigma
> > of being known for shagging sheep.
>
> You'll really have to get over this thing you have about sheep, David.

I don't have a thing about sheep. If EnZedders were known for anything else
I'd have used another example.

>
> > BTW, given the widespread antipathy towards bisexuals in both the gay
and
> > straight community, despite what Woody Allen said, being bisexual does
not
> > double your chances. It greatly reduces them.
>
> You're right about, although they were briefly fashionable a while ago.
But like most
> men, I have to say that doesn't apply to bisexual women.
>

Now are we talking fantasy or reality here? Do straight men *truly* desire
*truly* bisexual women?


Asta

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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 02:22:29 GMT, NAD <nad...@home.com> wrote:

> >Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about this
>> >until this happened, but there are several stories that he had been in
>> >several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who knew about
>> >it. Also that the marriage was for convenience, with the express consent of
>> >his wife that he could see other men whenever he wanted. In fact, it has
>> >been said that at the time of his death he was in a romantic relationship
>> >with a very well known celebrity (John Travolta?). Anyone have more info on
>> >this?

>Will you shut the f... up. The poor man died and your writing some disrespectful


>shit on him!!!!!!!!
>You are so sad. Get a life. I can't believe the MENTALITY of people like you!!!
>Get a LIFE!!
>And who the hell cares if he was?! Respect and mourn for one of the greatest in
>our lifetime.
>(You got me so mad I can't even think straight)

1. Let me be the first to say this: If you are looking for respect
for the dead, you are in wrong NG.
2. IF he were gay, why would it automatically demote his worth
("disrespectful shit...")?

Not that I believe he was gay, mind you (probably wishful thinking).

razz

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David Migicovsky wrote:

> Now are we talking fantasy or reality here? Do straight men *truly* desire
> *truly* bisexual women?

I think it's the hope of transforming fantasy into reality. There's always the chance
of a threesome. I know I don't find it particularly threatening and I have had
affairs with a few and, incidentally, had a few threesomes, too. It's surprising how
many women are bisexual or wouldn't mind the opportunity to be that way.

Razz


David Migicovsky

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razz <ra...@dis.net.au> wrote in article <379FE3C1...@dis.net.au>...

> David Migicovsky wrote:
>
> > Now are we talking fantasy or reality here? Do straight men *truly*
desire
> > *truly* bisexual women?
>
> I think it's the hope of transforming fantasy into reality. There's
always the chance
> of a threesome.

At least bisexual women are a realistic fantasy. Lesbians aren't.

> know I don't find it particularly threatening and I have had
> affairs with a few and, incidentally, had a few threesomes, too. It's
surprising how
> many women are bisexual or wouldn't mind the opportunity to be that way.
>


It's not really that surprising. Women tend not to be nearly as threatened
by same-sex activity as men. After all, if one closes one's eyes, it makes
very little difference who's with you. I don't know that I'd call that
bisexuality though. We do call it the sex *drive* after all. Someone who
waits to be charmed into it by you and would never have acted on it
otherwise isn't exactly driven.

David, who points out that nevertheless the majority of humans prefer
penises on their partners.


Jamie

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> I heard the same thing, except the Hollywood hunk he was with is Richard
> Gere, not Travolta.
>
> Wonder if JFK was the top or the bottom. I say bottom.

Judging by the gerbil rumor, I'll say Gere was bottom.


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In article <379F9BAE...@church.ladies.worldonline.be>, Miss
Frederica Toussaint Malveaux <fr...@church.ladies.worldonline.be> wrote:

> Keith Lowell wrote:


>
> > Laurie wrote:
> > >
> > > Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about this
> > > until this happened, but there are several stories that he had been in
> > > several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who
knew about
> > > it. Also that the marriage was for convenience, with the express
consent of
> > > his wife that he could see other men whenever he wanted. In fact, it has
> > > been said that at the time of his death he was in a romantic relationship
> > > with a very well known celebrity (John Travolta?). Anyone have more
info on
> > > this?
> >

> > I heard the same thing, except the Hollywood hunk he was with is Richard
> > Gere, not Travolta.
> >
> > Wonder if JFK was the top or the bottom. I say bottom.
>

> Can't you work some gerbils into this scenario?

Sorry, but all available gerbils are vacationing in the rectum of Paul Cameron.

Sort of like salmon, they return to where they were born, to spawn and die.

--
John

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My correct e-mail address is:

desalvio["AT" SYMBOL]monitor.net

Susan Petry

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LOL! was this a man or a woman??? =)

>Razz - remembering the friend who used to boast, 'Once you've had me,
you'll never
>want another woman'
>

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Laura Bryannan

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In article <379F8253...@dis.net.au>, razz <ra...@dis.net.au> wrote:
>Randy Simms wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:24:52 -0700, "Laurie" <lau...@marthas.vineyard>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about this
>> >until this happened, but there are several stories that he had been in
>> >several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who knew about
>> >it. Also that the marriage was for convenience, with the express consent of
>> >his wife that he could see other men whenever he wanted. In fact, it has
>> >been said that at the time of his death he was in a romantic relationship
>> >with a very well known celebrity (John Travolta?). Anyone have more info on
>> >this?
>>
>> Wrong. He was bisexual, not gay.
>
>I have gay friends who claim there is no such thing as a bisexual. They're all really
>gay.

I have bi friends who claim that gays who deny the reality
of the bisexual life are clueless twits.

Michael Ritchie

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David Migicovsky wrote:
>
> BTW, given the widespread antipathy towards bisexuals in both the gay and
> straight community, despite what Woody Allen said, being bisexual does not
> double your chances. It greatly reduces them.

Only if you tell your partners that you're
bisexual. If you keep your mouth shut,
Woody's probably right.

--M.

Peep...@webtv.net

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>His own mother had suspicions that
>he was gay because he wanted
>to become an actor.  

Jackie once sassed that she was afraid Jr. was going to grow up & become
a hairdresser & she also expressed concern about the effect all her arty
friends (like Truman Capote & Barishnikov) would have on him. Andy
Warhol even shot a short film of Jr. when he was around 12 years old.

When Jr. was 17, Jackie sent him out west to a ranch of that guy (forgot
his name -- he's been on CNN) to "butch it up" by chopping wood, living
in the rugged outdoors etc. etc. Hilariously, though, this ranch dude
meant to make "a man" out of JFK Jr. was almost posing as Jr's *widow*
on the chat shows last week. He was dressed all in black (with what
looked like a black-silk bowed blouse) saying how much he loved Jr.,
what an "Adonis" he was & how Jr. was "the light of his life". His
interviews were kinda creepy &, despite his claim of being JFK jr's best
friend, the family denied him an invite to the funeral. He claims it
was b/c he made himself accessible to the media, but THIS gal's guess is
the family was taken aback by his carrying on about how devastated he
was by the loss of "the light of his life."


Hugs,
Janice

Daniel J. Horne

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Peep...@webtv.net (Peep...@webtv.net) wrote:
: Simms sassed:

: >Wrong. He was bisexual, not gay.

: According to my Gotham galpal, baby, JFK jr.'s exploits w/ females were


: more 'duty-lays' than 'passion-lays'. The passion was reserved for
: guys.

I was in a cab on Sunday in NYC whose driver claimed to have picked up JFK
Jr. off the street several years ago from a limo he was exiting---after
promising not to
tell anyone, she drove him to gay bar in Greenwich Village.

David B Henschel

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Miss Frederica Toussaint Malveaux <fr...@church.ladies.worldonline.be> writes:

>Keith Lowell wrote:

> I heard the same thing, except the Hollywood hunk he was with is Richard
> Gere, not Travolta.
>
> Wonder if JFK was the top or the bottom. I say bottom.

Can you prove all male homosexuals engage in anal sex?

Maybe some of them just do hugging and kissing because that's the
best way to avoid crab lice, hepatitis and other ailments.

"Top" and "bottom" are used by Outweek magazine to describe the
lust for political power and the lust for political weakness
present in various gay men.

As e e cummings said about them, "There are a hun-dred mil-lion
others!"

>Can't you work some gerbils into this scenario?

JFK Junior would have been stupid to alienate the animal rights
movement. George magazine ran a laudatory piece on it in the
November 1997 issue.

John Gilmer

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FERRANTE <fer...@REMOVEprimenet.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:24:52 -0700, "Laurie" <lau...@marthas.vineyard>
> wrote:
>
> >Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about this
> >until this happened, but there are several stories that he had been in
> >several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who knew
about
> >it.
>
> Read the above and know how utterly ridiculous your comments are.
> Don't you think the way the press dogged him that if he were indeed
> gay, they would have know about it from the start? Especially if he
> had been as open about it as you seem to believe he was.

Yeah! You know how the press is always on top of the Kennedy family!

I remember reading daily reports about JFK sr bringing women into the WH!

JLG


>
> A little common sense goes a long way...
>
> Mark Ferrante


>
>
>
>
> >Also that the marriage was for convenience, with the express consent of
> >his wife that he could see other men whenever he wanted. In fact, it has
> >been said that at the time of his death he was in a romantic relationship
> >with a very well known celebrity (John Travolta?). Anyone have more info
on
> >this?
> >
>
>

> Shrine of THE SHEIK
> http://www.primenet.com/~ferante/

razz

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Susan Petry wrote:

> LOL! was this a man or a woman??? =)
>
> In article <379F8253...@dis.net.au>, ra...@dis.net.au wrote:
>
> >Razz - remembering the friend who used to boast, 'Once you've had me,
> you'll never
> >want another woman'

Man. His other cry was, 'Fuck me, darling! I've got diamonds in my arse!'

Razz


David Migicovsky

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> David Migicovsky <s...@sig.com> wrote:
>
> > HOWEVER, a combination of gay men initially claiming to be bisexual
before
> > coming out as gay (such as Elton John, for example) perhaps because
they
> > suffer from the delusion that bisexuals are more accepted than gays
(when
> > in fact they are far less accepted) coupled with the relative
invisibility
> > of real bisexuals leads some people to believe that all bisexuals are
> > really closeted gays.
>
> I believe that EVERYONE is bisexual. There's no such thing as 100%
> straight or 100% gay - it's a wide range of gray areas.
>

That may be true, but in many cases the level of same or opposite sex
desire is so minimal as to make them "Ivory Soap" straight or gay -- 99
44/100% "pure."

To call someone bisexual because they once had a fleeting thought about a
member of the "wrong" sex or were capable of performing while fantasizing
desperately about the "right" sex is silly.


David Migicovsky

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razz <ra...@dis.net.au> wrote in article <37A0E58E...@dis.net.au>...

> >
> > >Razz - remembering the friend who used to boast, 'Once you've had me,
> > you'll never
> > >want another woman'
>
> His other cry was, 'Fuck me, darling! I've got diamonds in my arse!'
>

Certainly a novel way to get circumcised.

razz

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David Migicovsky wrote:

That was my feeling. I thought (I was very young) that it might have other meanings,
but I was never game enough to ask.

Razz


Mahatma Kane Jeeves

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On 29 Jul 1999 02:33:43 GMT, "David Migicovsky" <s...@sig.com> wrote:

>BTW, given the widespread antipathy towards bisexuals in both the gay and
>straight community, despite what Woody Allen said, being bisexual does not
>double your chances. It greatly reduces them.

This is true.

Also, did you ever notice the personal ads from "bisexual" women that
say "no men, women only"?


David Migicovsky

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razz <ra...@dis.net.au> wrote in article <37A112DF...@dis.net.au>...

I have no idea what other (if any) meanings it has. I've certainly never
heard it before now, but I certainly wouldn't be tempted by it.

Now if he said *fist* me...

David Migicovsky

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Michael Ritchie <mrit...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in article
<37A08CFE...@columbus.rr.com>...

> David Migicovsky wrote:
> >
> > BTW, given the widespread antipathy towards bisexuals in both the gay
and
> > straight community, despite what Woody Allen said, being bisexual does
not
> > double your chances. It greatly reduces them.
>
> Only if you tell your partners that you're
> bisexual. If you keep your mouth shut,
> Woody's probably right.
>

Well sure. You also have better luck if you don't mention that you're
married or an escaped convict, but that's not playing fair.


Peep...@webtv.net

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>>Fuck me, darling! I've got diamonds
>>in my arse!'

>I have no idea what other (if any)


>meanings it has. I've certainly never
>heard it before now, but I
>certainly wouldn't be tempted by it.
>Now if he said *fist* me...

Even **I** would be tempted to do that, baby.

Janice, "talk to me Tom of Finland, tell me all about it ........."

DarkHorse

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FERRANTE wrote in message <37a0a730...@news.primenet.com>...

>On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:24:52 -0700, "Laurie" <lau...@marthas.vineyard>
>wrote:
>
>>Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about this
>>until this happened, but there are several stories that he had been in
>>several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who knew
about
>>it.
>
>Read the above and know how utterly ridiculous your comments are.
>Don't you think the way the press dogged him that if he were indeed
>gay, they would have know about it from the start? Especially if he
>had been as open about it as you seem to believe he was.
>
>A little common sense goes a long way...
>
>Mark Ferrante

Not in this group it doesn't. That's why it's so much fun to lurk here!

Darkhorse
(Back to reading my version of the funnies now in ASG)


DarkHorse

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Mike Cohen wrote in message

<1dvq258.d7w...@1cust102.tnt1.boca-raton.fl.da.uu.net>...
>David Migicovsky <s...@sig.com> wrote:
>
>> HOWEVER, a combination of gay men initially claiming to be bisexual
before
>> coming out as gay (such as Elton John, for example) perhaps because they
>> suffer from the delusion that bisexuals are more accepted than gays (when
>> in fact they are far less accepted) coupled with the relative
invisibility
>> of real bisexuals leads some people to believe that all bisexuals are
>> really closeted gays.
>
>I believe that EVERYONE is bisexual. There's no such thing as 100%
>straight or 100% gay - it's a wide range of gray areas

Uh.....I don't think so.


razz

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Jon Rose wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:36:48 +1000, razz <ra...@dis.net.au> wrote:
>
> >Susan Petry wrote:
> >
> >> LOL! was this a man or a woman??? =)
> >>
> >> In article <379F8253...@dis.net.au>, ra...@dis.net.au wrote:
> >>

> >> >Razz - remembering the friend who used to boast, 'Once you've had me,
> >> you'll never
> >> >want another woman'
> >

> >Man. His other cry was, 'Fuck me, darling! I've got diamonds in my arse!'
>
> diamonds - was that the name of his gerbil?

Now that's a thought. The same guy once went to a ball wearing a live chook on his
head as part of his costume.

Razz


Jon Rose

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On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:36:48 +1000, razz <ra...@dis.net.au> wrote:

>Susan Petry wrote:
>
>> LOL! was this a man or a woman??? =)
>>
>> In article <379F8253...@dis.net.au>, ra...@dis.net.au wrote:
>>
>> >Razz - remembering the friend who used to boast, 'Once you've had me,
>> you'll never
>> >want another woman'
>
>Man. His other cry was, 'Fuck me, darling! I've got diamonds in my arse!'

diamonds - was that the name of his gerbil?

--
Jon


lucrezia

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In article <21244-37...@newsd-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
"Peep...@webtv.net" <Peep...@webtv.net> writes

>>His own mother had suspicions that
>>he was gay because he wanted
>>to become an actor.  
>
>Jackie once sassed that she was afraid Jr. was going to grow up & become
>a hairdresser & she also expressed concern about the effect all her arty
>friends (like Truman Capote & Barishnikov)

Methinks you mean Nureyev (sp?).

-Lucrezia

--
luc
email: lucr...@quentincrisp.com
web: http://www.bagels.demon.co.uk/
"Whoa... there is no spoon." - Neo-logism

synchV

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That is one of the funniest JFK Jr. stories
so far.....

Bawaaahahahahhahahahhaha


<Peep...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21244-37...@newsd-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net...


>His own mother had suspicions that
>he was gay because he wanted
>to become an actor.

Jackie once sassed that she was afraid Jr. was going to grow up & become
a hairdresser & she also expressed concern about the effect all her arty

friends (like Truman Capote & Barishnikov) would have on him. Andy
Warhol even shot a short film of Jr. when he was around 12 years old.

When Jr. was 17, Jackie sent him out west to a ranch of that guy (forgot
his name -- he's been on CNN) to "butch it up" by chopping wood, living
in the rugged outdoors etc. etc. Hilariously, though, this ranch dude
meant to make "a man" out of JFK Jr. was almost posing as Jr's *widow*
on the chat shows last week. He was dressed all in black (with what
looked like a black-silk bowed blouse) saying how much he loved Jr.,
what an "Adonis" he was & how Jr. was "the light of his life". His
interviews were kinda creepy &, despite his claim of being JFK jr's best
friend, the family denied him an invite to the funeral. He claims it
was b/c he made himself accessible to the media, but THIS gal's guess is
the family was taken aback by his carrying on about how devastated he
was by the loss of "the light of his life."


Hugs,
Janice

--

synchV

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SURE thing......

"A pickpocket only sees other men's pockets."

Just goes to show that when you wear rose
colored glasses the whole world looks gay.

You said bi but you really meant gay.

_____________________________________

Mike Cohen <mik...@NOSPAM.apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1dvq258.d7w...@1cust102.tnt1.boca-raton.fl.da.uu.net...


> David Migicovsky <s...@sig.com> wrote:
>
> > HOWEVER, a combination of gay men initially claiming to be bisexual
before
> > coming out as gay (such as Elton John, for example) perhaps because they
> > suffer from the delusion that bisexuals are more accepted than gays (when
> > in fact they are far less accepted) coupled with the relative
invisibility
> > of real bisexuals leads some people to believe that all bisexuals are
> > really closeted gays.
>
> I believe that EVERYONE is bisexual. There's no such thing as 100%

> straight or 100% gay - it's a wide range of gray areas.
>
> --
> Mike Cohen - mike3k <at> apexmail <dot> com - http://w3.to/worldmusic/
> "Sound is the same for all the world" - Youssou N'dour, "Eyes Open"
>

kjd

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razz wrote:

> Now that's a thought. The same guy once went to a ball wearing a live chook on his
> head as part of his costume.
>
> Razz

What'd he do? Glue it on? Put feed in his hair? How'd he get the darn thing to stay?


John Mazor

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John Gilmer wrote in message <37a0fcdc$0$22...@mojo.crosslink.net>...

>
>FERRANTE <fer...@REMOVEprimenet.com> wrote in message
>news:37a0a730...@news.primenet.com...
>> On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:24:52 -0700, "Laurie"
<lau...@marthas.vineyard>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Is it true that JFK Jr. was gay? I had never heard anything about
this
>> >until this happened, but there are several stories that he had
been in
>> >several gay relationships and was openly gay and didn't care who
knew
>about
>> >it.
>>
>> Read the above and know how utterly ridiculous your comments are.
>> Don't you think the way the press dogged him that if he were indeed
>> gay, they would have know about it from the start? Especially if he
>> had been as open about it as you seem to believe he was.
>
>Yeah! You know how the press is always on top of the Kennedy
family!
>
>I remember reading daily reports about JFK sr bringing women into the
WH!


That was then. This is now. A celebrity or politician can't smile at
a member of the opposite sex -- or the same sex for that matter --
without it getting splashed somewhere.

ned_...@my-deja.com

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Growing up, JFK Jr. only had a mum and an older sister as did Tom Cruise and
Troy Aikman. It's currently not pc to mention, but a lot of shrinks place a
strong emphasis on inter-family role models in the development of sexuality,
fair or not.

-Ned

In article <aIio3.51$MF4...@news3.mia>,


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Steve Kropla

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I was afraid I'd regret even getting close to this thread, but at
least I learned the Aussie/Kiwi word for "chicken." All is not
lost....

_____________________________________
Steve Kropla
Kingwood, Texas USA
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Sterren

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You of course, Sam, were there to see him treat women with
utmost courtesy. Just like you were there to check on how
much scum exactly was in all those Kennedy bags.

Or maybe you weren't. Maybe you didn't know JFK, Jr. Or any
Kennedys. Or any women, probably.

No, just stay inside and keep typing away.

And enjoy your nightmares.

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Peep...@webtv.net

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Lucrezia sassed:

>>Jackie once sassed that she was
>>afraid Jr.
>>was going to grow up & become a
>>hairdresser & she also expressed
>>concern
>>about the effect all her arty friends (like
>>Truman Capote & Barishnikov)

>Methinks you mean Nureyev (sp?).

You thinks (& spells) right, baby.

It's SO hard keeping those Russian ballet dancers .... straight.


Hugs,
Janice, who'd LOVE more info on the wild rumors that RFK had sexual
relations w/ Jackie ..... *&* Rudy.

Michael Ritchie

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Mike Cohen wrote:
>
> I believe that EVERYONE is bisexual. There's no such thing as 100%
> straight or 100% gay - it's a wide range of gray areas.

Wrong. Everyone has the potential, certainly,
but I know lots of gay men who have never
seriously entertained the idea of sex with
women, and straight men who have never ditto
with other men. One might be tempted to
claim "repression," but the point remains,
they would never call themselves anything
close to bisexual, and the claiming of
identity is a big part of the struggle,
isn't it?

--M.

Peep...@webtv.net

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Well, THIS is ASG, not PCU, so feel free to mention it, baby.


Hugs,
Janice


Ned sassed:

Growing up, JFK Jr. only had a mum and an older sister as did Tom Cruise
and Troy Aikman. It's currently not pc to mention, but a lot of shrinks
place a strong emphasis on inter-family role models in the development
of sexuality, fair or not.

--

kjd

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Don't people know that this is what duct tape is for?

razz wrote:

> kjd wrote:
>
> > razz wrote:
> >
> > > Jon Rose wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:36:48 +1000, razz <ra...@dis.net.au> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Susan Petry wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> LOL! was this a man or a woman??? =)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In article <379F8253...@dis.net.au>, ra...@dis.net.au wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >Razz - remembering the friend who used to boast, 'Once you've had me,
> > > > >> you'll never
> > > > >> >want another woman'
> > > > >
> > > > >Man. His other cry was, 'Fuck me, darling! I've got diamonds in my arse!'
> > > >
> > > > diamonds - was that the name of his gerbil?
> > >
> > > Now that's a thought. The same guy once went to a ball wearing a live chook on
> > his
> > > head as part of his costume.
> > >
> > > Razz
> >
> > What'd he do? Glue it on? Put feed in his hair? How'd he get the darn thing to
> > stay?
>

> I also had another friend who claimed a la Isherwood to have fucked a fowl. He always
> ended this claim with a doleful, 'It died.'
>
> Razz
>


Nick Matthews

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I know for a fact that he was not gay or even bi.
I grew up on Cape Cod with him.

Nick

Visit
http://Hillary2000.org


razz

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kjd wrote:

> razz wrote:
>
> > Jon Rose wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:36:48 +1000, razz <ra...@dis.net.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Susan Petry wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> LOL! was this a man or a woman??? =)
> > > >>
> > > >> In article <379F8253...@dis.net.au>, ra...@dis.net.au wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >Razz - remembering the friend who used to boast, 'Once you've had me,
> > > >> you'll never
> > > >> >want another woman'
> > > >
> > > >Man. His other cry was, 'Fuck me, darling! I've got diamonds in my arse!'
> > >
> > > diamonds - was that the name of his gerbil?
> >
> > Now that's a thought. The same guy once went to a ball wearing a live chook on
> his
> > head as part of his costume.
> >
> > Razz
>
> What'd he do? Glue it on? Put feed in his hair? How'd he get the darn thing to
> stay?

It was in a cage woven into his wig.

Razz


razz

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Steve Kropla wrote:

> I was afraid I'd regret even getting close to this thread, but at
> least I learned the Aussie/Kiwi word for "chicken." All is not
> lost....

That's part of our plan to infiltrate your language and take it over.

Razz


razz

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kjd wrote:

> razz wrote:
>
> > Jon Rose wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:36:48 +1000, razz <ra...@dis.net.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Susan Petry wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> LOL! was this a man or a woman??? =)
> > > >>
> > > >> In article <379F8253...@dis.net.au>, ra...@dis.net.au wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >Razz - remembering the friend who used to boast, 'Once you've had me,
> > > >> you'll never
> > > >> >want another woman'
> > > >
> > > >Man. His other cry was, 'Fuck me, darling! I've got diamonds in my arse!'
> > >
> > > diamonds - was that the name of his gerbil?
> >
> > Now that's a thought. The same guy once went to a ball wearing a live chook on
> his
> > head as part of his costume.
> >
> > Razz
>
> What'd he do? Glue it on? Put feed in his hair? How'd he get the darn thing to
> stay?

I also had another friend who claimed a la Isherwood to have fucked a fowl. He always

ned_...@my-deja.com

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Gore Vidal claims that Bobby had an affaire-a-trois with Nuriyev and a
sailor. He also claims that he or somebod else witnessed Bobby and Nuriyev
making out in a phone booth. The Jackie-RFK rumour has been around for a
while.

You probably know all of the above, but just in case......
And, no I haven't more info.
Hopefully, someone else does.

-Ned

In article <14541-37...@newsd-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,


Peep...@webtv.net (Peep...@webtv.net) wrote:
> Lucrezia sassed:
>
> >>Jackie once sassed that she was
> >>afraid Jr.
> >>was going to grow up & become a
> >>hairdresser & she also expressed
> >>concern
> >>about the effect all her arty friends (like
> >>Truman Capote & Barishnikov)
>
> >Methinks you mean Nureyev (sp?).
>
> You thinks (& spells) right, baby.
>
> It's SO hard keeping those Russian ballet dancers .... straight.
>
> Hugs,
> Janice, who'd LOVE more info on the wild rumors that RFK had sexual
> relations w/ Jackie ..... *&* Rudy.
>

> --
>
> "She says she is Eleanor Roosevelt and she is for the death penalty. She
> says she is Eleanor Roosevelt and she and her husband promoted and then
> the husband signed the bill that did away with the center of Roosevelt's
> legacy to this country, Aid
> to Dependent Children. She was in on killing it and now she says her
> whole life is devoted to women and children."
>
> --Jimmy Breslin on FLOTUS Hillary
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> (-)> *peep* (-)> *peep* (-)> *muckmouth*
>
>

wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk

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In article <21244-37...@newsd-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
Peep...@webtv.net (Peep...@webtv.net) usenetted:

> When Jr. was 17, Jackie sent him out west to a ranch of that guy (forgot
> his name -- he's been on CNN) to "butch it up" by chopping wood, living

John Perry Barlow. Former lyricist for the Grateful Dead, co-founder of
the Electronic Frontier Foundation. http://www.eff.org/~barlow.

> in the rugged outdoors etc. etc. Hilariously, though, this ranch dude
> meant to make "a man" out of JFK Jr. was almost posing as Jr's *widow*
> on the chat shows last week. He was dressed all in black (with what
> looked like a black-silk bowed blouse) saying how much he loved Jr.,

Barlow pretty much always wears black.

> what an "Adonis" he was & how Jr. was "the light of his life". His
> interviews were kinda creepy &, despite his claim of being JFK jr's best
> friend, the family denied him an invite to the funeral. He claims it
> was b/c he made himself accessible to the media, but THIS gal's guess is
> the family was taken aback by his carrying on about how devastated he
> was by the loss of "the light of his life."
>

Doubtful. Barlow is notorious for hyperbole. More likely that his own
interpretation was the correct one. He waxed pretty fervent on the
subject of CBK, too.

wg


ASGTP#063

Her Highness The Pink Princess

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In article <37A22E73...@dis.net.au>, razz <ra...@dis.net.au> writes:

>> What'd he do? Glue it on? Put feed in his hair? How'd he get the darn
>thing to
>> stay?
>

>It was in a cage woven into his wig.
>
>Razz

Oh, dahling that was tres populare at the court of Louis XV. Not that I was
there, you understand, but I have read of such things.

Reigning and Deigning

Pink Wishes
The Princess \^*^*^/

http://www.FacemakersIncorporated.com

La Vida Coca:
http://www.geocities.com/broadway/3060


Her Highness The Pink Princess

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In article <37A22F9A...@dis.net.au>, razz <ra...@dis.net.au> writes:

>
>I also had another friend who claimed a la Isherwood to have fucked a fowl.
>He always
>ended this claim with a doleful, 'It died.'
>
>Razz

Was your friend in "Pink Flamingos"?

razz

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Her Highness The Pink Princess wrote:

> In article <37A22F9A...@dis.net.au>, razz <ra...@dis.net.au> writes:
>
> >
> >I also had another friend who claimed a la Isherwood to have fucked a fowl.
> >He always
> >ended this claim with a doleful, 'It died.'

He should have been. He was inordinately well hung and treated his cock like a pet.
He was very fond of displaying it and handling it and occasionally dipping it in his
drink while having conversations with it. He also like walking up behind sitting
women and draping it over their shoulder. The lucky bugger was not only well hung but
very handsome to boot. When we used to knock around together he was a policeman.

Razz


razz

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Her Highness The Pink Princess wrote:

> In article <37A22E73...@dis.net.au>, razz <ra...@dis.net.au> writes:
>
> >> What'd he do? Glue it on? Put feed in his hair? How'd he get the darn
> >thing to
> >> stay?
> >
> >It was in a cage woven into his wig.
> >
> >Razz
>
> Oh, dahling that was tres populare at the court of Louis XV. Not that I was
> there, you understand, but I have read of such things.

Yes, but they used doves and songbirds. A domestic white orpington is a different
matter again. As I remember it, his gown was very Louis XV.

Razz


Peep...@webtv.net

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>Gore Vidal claims that Bobby had an
>affaire-a-trois with Nuriyev and a sailor.

Yes, I recall hearing that, baby. Did GV ... flesh out .... any of the
details?!


Curious hugs,
Janice

Peep...@webtv.net

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HRH sassed:

>>I also had another friend who claimed
>>a la Isherwood to have fucked a fowl.
>>He always ended this claim with a
>>doleful, 'It died.'

>Was your friend in "Pink Flamingos"?

*Literally* in?!

Hugs,
Janice, wondering if "his friend" was Billy looking for a bit of
friction for his boy-penis & if fowl's death was caused by a scorching
case of herpes.

Mahatma Kane Jeeves

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On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:07:38 -0400, mik...@NOSPAM.apexmail.com (Mike
Cohen) wrote:

>I had sex with a woman, although I haven't had sex with anyone in about
>20 years.

Not even with yourself? :-)


Mahatma Kane Jeeves

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On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:11:57 -0400, mik...@NOSPAM.apexmail.com (Mike
Cohen) wrote:

>Mahatma Kane Jeeves <Chocola...@FrenchVanilla.com> wrote:

>> Not even with yourself? :-)
>

>I thought I said with ANOTHER person ;-)

I'm glad you cleared that up. 20 yrs would have been hard to believe.

The only reason I asked was that I once abstained from all sex for one
month, and never felt better, but I couldn't last. I once had a friend
who was abstinent for 8 years, which really impressed me.


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