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jam

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Jan 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/12/98
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You're hysterical, you pathetic victim.
Do you have some child abuse issues, perhaps?
I say we show all the scum bags up, even abused kids who grow up and hunt gay
people and single (or married) men out to condemn, instead of pursuing their
own abusers.
Just a thought.
Keep shining:)

Secret Squirrel wrote:
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> Is it true that Danny Kaye was not only bisexual, but also a child
> molestor? I have heard this from more than one person in the movie business.
> Apparently his wife helped him in obtaining children.
>
> It's about time this scumbum was shown up for what he was.
> .

Secret Squirrel

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Flicka

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Jack...@fauxaol.com wrote:
>On 13 Jan 1998 03:23:40 -0000, Secret Squirrel
>I don't care if he is dead either.
>I think he should be arrested and put in jail for life!!!
>
>JP
>
Danny Kaye isnt dead...is he?


iso...@goplay.com

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Flicka wrote:
>

> >
> Danny Kaye isnt dead...is he?

He is dead. There is a book that claims Kaye had a fling with Laurence
Olivier, although the author only skimmed the surface, not providing any
substantial details. I have never heard him accused of being a pedophile
and don't put much stock in this new rumor. What a world we live in now
that when a man cares about children it must be about sexual perversion.
: (

Harobed Nosnivel

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Aha!

How *old* was Sir Laurence at the time?


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In article <69eq24$5oq$1...@winter.news.erols.com>,
> Danny Kaye isnt dead...is he?

Yes, he is dead.

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Anonymous

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Secret Squirrel <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

> Is it true that Danny Kaye was not only bisexual, but also a child
> molestor? I have heard this from more than one person in the movie business.
> Apparently his wife helped him in obtaining children.
>
> It's about time this scumbum was shown up for what he was.

Why don't you bigoted, right-wing xtian homophobes and pedophobes fuck off
and die?


Anonymous

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iso...@goplay.com wrote:

> He is dead. There is a book that claims Kaye had a fling with Laurence
> Olivier, although the author only skimmed the surface, not providing any
> substantial details. I have never heard him accused of being a pedophile
> and don't put much stock in this new rumor. What a world we live in now
> that when a man cares about children it must be about sexual perversion.
> : (

Hold it right there!

Since when is a person's sexual orientation, whether gay, hetero, or
pedophile a "sexual perversion"? Pedophobia is nothing but the same old
homophobia with ageism tacked on for good measure!

Don't play into the hands of the religious right-wing hatemongers.

Young

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Anonymous wrote:

> Hold it right there!
>
> Since when is a person's sexual orientation, whether gay, hetero, or
> pedophile a "sexual perversion"? Pedophobia is nothing but the same old
> homophobia with ageism tacked on for good measure!
>
> Don't play into the hands of the religious right-wing hatemongers.

What do pedophiles have to do with homosexuals?

You are an idiot. And, there's a good chance you're a pervert.

Get help.

Eric Newman

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On 13 Jan 1998 03:23:40 -0000, Secret Squirrel
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

>Is it true that Danny Kaye was not only bisexual, but also a child
>molestor? I have heard this from more than one person in the movie business.
>Apparently his wife helped him in obtaining children.
>
>It's about time this scumbum was shown up for what he was.

So in the first place, you're asking the question "Was Danny Kaye a
child molester?", which implies that you don't know the answer. Then
in the second place, you're willing to condemn him for being a child
molester even though you're not sure if he was. Nice.

Young

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Kate wrote:
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> In article <69gods$h...@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com>, Young says...
> And there's an even *better* chance that he's a troll.
>
> Kate

Thank you, Kate ... better fine tune my radar ... there's someone
on another group that calls themselves by the 'name' Anonymous,
which is why I thought they were a regular ... thanks for the heads up.

Buster Crab

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iso...@goplay.com writes:

>There is a book that claims that Kaye


>had a fling with Laurence Olivier,
>although the author only skimmed
>the surface, not providing any substantial
>details.

The book was by Donald Spoto. In one instance, he describes a scene in
which Kaye posed as customs agent and strip-searched Olivier before
revealing himself as Kaye. Since only Olivier and Kaye were present
at "the unveiling" and both were dead when Spoto wrote the book, I
wonder who his "source" was?

Then Spoto cites a letter from Vivien Leigh to her subsequent husband in
which Leigh complains of the Olivier/Kaye liaison. Yet Spoto does not
quote the text of the letter, which certainly would have been a
"substantial detail" if quoted.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across the floors
of silent seas."

---T.S. Eliot
"The Love Song of
J. Alfred Prufrock

michelle

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Please don't invoke a call for the N*M*L* assholes to come back...
--
For e-mail respond to MCwright at worldnet dot att dot net

Response to "Age before beauty"
"Pearls before swine."

--Dorothy Parker
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mist.

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iso...@goplay.com wrote:

> Flicka wrote:
> >
>
> > >
> > Danny Kaye isnt dead...is he?
>

> He is dead. There is a book that claims Kaye had a fling with Laurence


> Olivier, although the author only skimmed the surface, not providing any

> substantial details. I have never heard him accused of being a pedophile
> and don't put much stock in this new rumor. What a world we live in now
> that when a man cares about children it must be about sexual perversion.
> : (

sylvia kaye (danny's wife) donated the funds to hunter college's new theatre
in honor of her husband's memory. at the time the theatre dept. was abuzz
with rumours of danny kaye's romance (not fling) with olivier. the story was
that sylvia was jealous of their relationship. that's just student gossip,
but it stuck in my mind.

mist.


Anonymous

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Young <qwe...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> > Hold it right there!
> >
> > Since when is a person's sexual orientation, whether gay, hetero, or
> > pedophile a "sexual perversion"? Pedophobia is nothing but the same old
> > homophobia with ageism tacked on for good measure!
> >
> > Don't play into the hands of the religious right-wing hatemongers.
>
> What do pedophiles have to do with homosexuals?

Sometimes nothing, but men who like boys would certainly fall into that
category, right?

> You are an idiot. And, there's a good chance you're a pervert.
>

> Get help.

Spoken like a true bigot. And your rationale for calling me a "pervert" is ???


Sherry Stoneman

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Jan 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/14/98
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The rationale for calling you a pervert is that anyone who advocates
sex with children IS A PERVERT!!!!!!!!! Dig?

Sherita

DeeTigress

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>Hold it right there!
>
>Since when is a person's sexual orientation, whether gay, hetero, or
>pedophile a "sexual perversion"? Pedophobia is nothing but the same old
>homophobia with ageism tacked on for good measure!
>
>Don't play into the hands of the religious right-wing hatemongers.
>
Don't equate homosexuals who engage in relationships with other consenting
adults with pedophiles! People who use children sexually are dirt. There IS
no such thing as consent when you are talking about a child - they cannot
understand the nature of a sexual relationship enough to give any meaningful
consent (which is why we have laws).

Linda F. Cauthen

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Jan 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/14/98
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That's what I was about to post, but you beat me to it. I
suspect that even "p*d*ph*le" will bring them slinking out of
their lairs.

Linda ASGTPR#49

Nuey2

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>From: nob...@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
>Date: Tue, Jan 13, 1998 16:33 EST
>Message-id: <1998011321...@basement.replay.com>

>
>Secret Squirrel <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
>> Is it true that Danny Kaye was not only bisexual, but also a child
>> molestor? I have heard this from more than one person in the movie
>business.
>> Apparently his wife helped him in obtaining children.
>>
>> It's about time this scumbum was shown up for what he was.
>
>Why don't you bigoted, right-wing xtian homophobes and pedophobes fuck off
>and die?


trolling, trolling, trolling.......

keep them doggies rolling.....

Sheesh! As long as he doesn't call in his buddies to help him, why don't we
just put this guy on ~ignore~?

Shoo! Ain't no bigots, xtians, phobes of any sort as far as the eye can see.
The only one having a hiss here is you!


Nishama7

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<<<<<BGCOLOR="#ffffff">Subject: Re: Danny Kaye a Pedophile?
From: nu...@aol.com (Nuey2)
Date: Wed, Jan 14, 1998 15:27 EST
Message-id: <19980114202...@ladder01.news.aol.com>

>From: nob...@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
>Date: Tue, Jan 13, 1998 16:33 EST
>Message-id: <1998011321...@basement.replay.com>
>
>Secret Squirrel <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
>> Is it true that Danny Kaye was not only bisexual, but also a child
>> molestor? I have heard this from more than one person in the movie
>business.
>> Apparently his wife helped him in obtaining children.
>>
>> It's about time this scumbum was shown up for what he was.
>
>Why don't you bigoted, right-wing xtian homophobes and pedophobes fuck off
>and die?>>>

After viewing 60 Minutes this week in which convicted child molesters who quote
unquote underwent treatment, were now reformed and assured the public that they
would never be *repeat offenders*....this is the thing...

A pedophile cannot be cured and many times will continue to molest children
whether he is caught or not. Being imprisoned only slows them down for awhile.
They have little or no remorse for their actions, only for being caught.

--Words of a survivor speaking to abusers (www.stopitnow.com)

"You will never know the devastating impact your actions have on a child, how
it can absolutely destroy a person's life, and how much work it takes to
reverse the damage done. No matter how small you consider the act you have
done, it has changed that child forever" .

So to all the perverted, child molesting, scum of the earth that lack balls,
decency, gumption, humanity and maturity and who continue to perpetrate vile
acts against the innocent, please remove yourselves from ASG - you are a
dark, pathetic population which has apparently found a haven on the Internet,
but we really don't have to put up with you here.

To all the rest of ASG - sorry to bore you all with this long monologue...but I
couldn't sit by idly and watch...

Nish

Donna Whitman

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nob...@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:

>
>> You are an idiot. And, there's a good chance you're a pervert.
>>
>> Get help.
>
>Spoken like a true bigot. And your rationale for calling me a "pervert" is ???

If you have sex with children, you're a pervert. If you don't
understand this, you're a stupid pervert.

michelle

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Linda F. Cauthen wrote:
>
> michelle wrote:

<bs mercifully snipped>


> > Please don't invoke a call for the N*M*L* assholes to come back...

> That's what I was about to post, but you beat me to it. I


> suspect that even "p*d*ph*le" will bring them slinking out of
> their lairs.
>
> Linda ASGTPR#49

GMTA. Once they think they got an opening, they stay for weeks on end.

Stephen Gilliard

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On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:01:08 -0800, michelle
<dpa...@algonquin.round.table.org> wrote:

>Linda F. Cauthen wrote:
>>
>> michelle wrote:
>
><bs mercifully snipped>
>> > Please don't invoke a call for the N*M*L* assholes to come back...
>
>> That's what I was about to post, but you beat me to it. I
>> suspect that even "p*d*ph*le" will bring them slinking out of
>> their lairs.
>>
>> Linda ASGTPR#49
>
>GMTA. Once they think they got an opening, they stay for weeks on end.

Might keep them from raping children.

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M. P.

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I'll note, again, that the huge disproportionate majority of child sexual
abuse is perpetrated by parents or other married people on children. This,
while at the same time, the huge disproportionate majority of teen suicide
is committed by gay youth. These facts shed light on the true cause of the
problem.

http://www.universalway.org/gaygenocide.html

Love, peace and freedom for all people,

Mike
------------------------------------
Have you had a new idea today?
How about love, peace and freedom for ALL people?
http://www.universalway.org

Anonymous

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ssto...@pop.service.ohio-state.edu (Sherry Stoneman) wrote:

> The rationale for calling you a pervert is that anyone who advocates
> sex with children IS A PERVERT!!!!!!!!! Dig?
>
> Sherita

Yes, the same old rationale that was used for calling homosexuals "perverts",
too.

The difference is that you go a step further and say that anyone even
"advocating" it is a pervert. And where did I "advocate" it? It's obviously
a choice, just like any other sexual preference. I'm not advocating that
anyone do anything, only that their choice should be respected and tolerated.


Anonymous

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I'm not equating them. I'm just pointing out that homophobia was once
acceptable and that homosexuality was once illegal, too. Did it change from
morally wrong to right just because the laws changed?

You play into the hands of the anti-choice bigots when you say that people
under 18 cannot "give any meaningful consent", whether it is to an abortion or
to the sexual relations that made the abortion an option. What makes 18 a
magical cut-off point for consent?

Those whose sexual orientation involves transgenerational intercourse will be
the next group to finally overcome the hate and bigotry, and finally win
their civil rights. They certainly have less to cover from a religious
perspective, since I'm aware of no religious document that sets supports the
arbitrary minimum age of consent which pedophobes seek to enforce. You
certainly can't do it from a Judeao-Christian perspective, since the historic
norm has been for sex, marriage, and childbirth to occur before the age of 18.

Sherry Stoneman

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No, definitely NOT the same. Two consenting ADULTS are mutually
sharing a sexual preference. If you can't figure out the difference
without someone spelling it out for you, there's something critically
wrong with your ability to think. Obviously you JUST DON'T GET IT!!
Children are children, and should be allowed to enjoy life as such,
not be intimidated into a compromising situation to satisify an
adult's desires. How many times do you think a child would INITIATE
the interaction of sex with an adult on their own volition? I think
NEVER, or at least seldom. So you see, the child doesn't have a
CHOICE. When you involve two adults who are making choices, what they
do is their own business. Nobody is getting hurt. See? If you
honestly think that a child can have a sexual experience with an adult
and not be scarred emotionally, I think there's no point in any more
discussion with you on this topic.

Sherita

gemini

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hello! Im back from 4 months of travelling overseas, and things have never
been more the same. just thought i would make my initial post to this sad
thread, only to comment on the notion of "sexual preference." The PC and,
in my view, scientifically correct, notion is that the phrase is "sexual
orientation" which implies that attraction is not a "choice" but in fact a
predispostion. Homosexuals are either born homosexual or develop into
homosexuals at a very early age, not as the result of choice but of
environmental or "genetic" (ie biological) factors. The pedophile does not
choose to be a pedophile, he (most often "he") finds himself attracted to
children, and can't control this attraction, jsut as gays can't turn
straight just because their culture wants tham to be. Of course, this does
not translate into the appropriateness of the pedophile to pursue their
sexual desires by using children. Even if children express a desire to
have sex with an adult, for pay, for favors or even for love, they are not
mature enough to do so, and the excuses that pedophiles come up with are
quite transparently designed to make it ok in their minds to seek out sexual
gratification at the expense of children's healthly development. I have
compassion for people who are tortured by their desires: it can't be much
fun to lust after that which you are not allowed to have, but I have no
sympathy for those who attempt to justify the fulfillment of these desires
at the expense of others. Luckily for gays, there are plently of willing
adult people of both sexes to engage in gay sex with. sadly for pedophiles,
they must control themselves and try and satisfy themselves with sex with
people who are of legal age of consent. lowering the age of consent will
not make the effects of their behavior less damaging to the children they
seek gratification from. It doesnt make a person "bad" to have any kind of
desire, but it does make it immmoral when they act on these urges with
people who are still forming their beings and for whom such sexual
encounters often create lifelong sadness and problems. Ah, I know this is
is pissing in the wind and only adding gasoline to the fire (to mix some
metaphors), but let us hate not the sinner but the sin. this thread is not
showbiz gossip. We adults can tolerate all kinds of things, but children are
not in the position to choose what they will or wont be subject to, and so
we must protect them. We cannot "respect" the choice of anyone wishing to
fuck children.

But I did hear that whitney houston is on crack.

In article <1998011517...@basement.replay.com>, nob...@REPLAY.COM

Harold Lord

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Harold Lord

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razz

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Anonymous wrote:
>
> ssto...@pop.service.ohio-state.edu (Sherry Stoneman) wrote:
>
> > The rationale for calling you a pervert is that anyone who advocates
> > sex with children IS A PERVERT!!!!!!!!! Dig?
> >
> > Sherita
>
> Yes, the same old rationale that was used for calling homosexuals "perverts",
> too.
>
> The difference is that you go a step further and say that anyone even
> "advocating" it is a pervert. And where did I "advocate" it? It's obviously
> a choice, just like any other sexual preference. I'm not advocating that
> anyone do anything, only that their choice should be respected and tolerated.

In a comment piece in The Guardian Decca Aitkenhead had some interesting
things to say on pedophilia...
"I have friends who are friends with muggers, will share a joke with a
crack dealer, and go drinking with men who either get drunk or cut up
their girlfriends. Their take on parenting is frankly negligent.

"But mention pedophiles to them and they're under the bed hunting for
the baseball bat. There is no mystery in why they find the idea of men
wanting to have sex with children abominable. It is, however, worth
wondering how pedophiles alone have come to haunt our communal
imagination and motivate such unparelleled rage."

"We've exhausted the repertoire of people we can consider legitimate
targets." observed cultural historian Richard Webber. "There used to be
Jews and homosexuals, but what do we have left? We've even lost
Communists, when they went and pulled the Berlin Wall down, which was a
disaster for pedophiles. They're the ones left to hate." If pedophiles
didn't exist, society would presumably find another group to satisfy the
needs of righteous hate.

"...The new discovery is the scale of abuse going on in the home, yet
the new panic is about the stranger in the park.

"...In Dan Jacobson's new book about the Bible, he wrote of the Old
Testament prophets:"The conviction that one is speaking on the side of
virtue can license an indulgence in fantasies that virtue would
ordinarily compel one to forswear." When people tell you what they'd
like to do if they got their hands on a child molester, you sometimes
see something verging on arousal."

Razz

jam

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Two weeks ago on this board I said "If it takes a village to raise a child,
then Woody Allen is the village idiot" Hmmm :)
jam

Catty wrote:
>
> Emera...@REMOVE.mindspring.com (Leslie) wrote:
> >
> >Somewhere out there, a village is missing its idiot.
>
> My god. That is *so* funny. Thanks for making me choke on my
> sausage roll. That one *got* to go into the Anti-FAQ - it should
> become the header of the morons/trolls/clubies section.
> Catty (a film bore and her sausage roll)
> xx

Catty

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Emera...@REMOVE.mindspring.com (Leslie) wrote:
>
>Somewhere out there, a village is missing its idiot.

My god. That is *so* funny. Thanks for making me choke on my
sausage roll. That one *got* to go into the Anti-FAQ - it should

become the header of the morons/trolls/clubies section. Please,
*NaNcY*? Please, please, please? I'll stay out of this newsgroup
for one entire week (read: seven days!). I promise! <cheers &
applause from the ASGers who, by now, are (or should be) sick
of my postings> ..hey, it's not my fault that I'm insomanic. Just
think, *NaNcY*, *seven* days of my absence. To get that, just
include that classic line in your Anti-FAQ. That's *all* you have
to do to shut me up. Believe me, many will email you, begging
you to do this....

Donna Whitman

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jam <j...@songwriter.net> wrote:

>Two weeks ago on this board I said "If it takes a village to raise a child,
>then Woody Allen is the village idiot" Hmmm :)
>jam

... and your point is????? Hardly the same quotation or even
close to it in humor.

>
>Catty wrote:
>>
>> Emera...@REMOVE.mindspring.com (Leslie) wrote:
>> >
>> >Somewhere out there, a village is missing its idiot.
>>
>> My god. That is *so* funny. Thanks for making me choke on my
>> sausage roll. That one *got* to go into the Anti-FAQ - it should
>> become the header of the morons/trolls/clubies section.

razz

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Stephen Gilliard wrote:

>
> On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:32:59 +1100, razz
> <ra...@mail.hartingdale.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
> >In a comment piece in The Guardian Decca Aitkenhead had some interesting
> >things to say on pedophilia...
> >
> Well, people feel the same way when they kill roaches. After all, when
> does one get to crush pure evil. A child rapist is a perfect
> exposition of pure, unimitigated evil. Unless you want to argue that
> you like the idea and practice of raping children.
>
> >Razz

Do sharpen up your reading skills, Steve. I haven't argued or advocated
anything. All I've done is quote from an article. I find the views
interesting and I, too, am concerned with the "Salem" hysteria this
subject seems to generate.

I think there are a lot of issues society is not prepared to face
conveniently hidden behind the pedophile tag.

That said, I found the statement about the Berlin Wall hilarious
myself...I didn't think it needed a comment. I thought it was perfect in
its uncut state. You can't make up reality.

Razz

Stephen Gilliard

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On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:32:59 +1100, razz
<ra...@mail.hartingdale.com.au> wrote:

>Anonymous wrote:
>>
>> ssto...@pop.service.ohio-state.edu (Sherry Stoneman) wrote:
>>
>> > The rationale for calling you a pervert is that anyone who advocates
>> > sex with children IS A PERVERT!!!!!!!!! Dig?
>> >
>> > Sherita
>>
>> Yes, the same old rationale that was used for calling homosexuals "perverts",
>> too.
>>
>> The difference is that you go a step further and say that anyone even
>> "advocating" it is a pervert. And where did I "advocate" it? It's obviously
>> a choice, just like any other sexual preference. I'm not advocating that
>> anyone do anything, only that their choice should be respected and tolerated.
>

>In a comment piece in The Guardian Decca Aitkenhead had some interesting
>things to say on pedophilia...

>"I have friends who are friends with muggers, will share a joke with a
>crack dealer, and go drinking with men who either get drunk or cut up
>their girlfriends. Their take on parenting is frankly negligent.
>
>"But mention pedophiles to them and they're under the bed hunting for
>the baseball bat. There is no mystery in why they find the idea of men
>wanting to have sex with children abominable. It is, however, worth
>wondering how pedophiles alone have come to haunt our communal
>imagination and motivate such unparelleled rage."
>

Or maybe even criminals have their limits. That there is one crime
that is regarded as something even they cannot tolerate. Raping
children is an unspeakable crime, even in prison. One does not target
the harmless for sport.

>"We've exhausted the repertoire of people we can consider legitimate
>targets." observed cultural historian Richard Webber. "There used to be
>Jews and homosexuals, but what do we have left? We've even lost
>Communists, when they went and pulled the Berlin Wall down, which was a
>disaster for pedophiles. They're the ones left to hate." If pedophiles
>didn't exist, society would presumably find another group to satisfy the
>needs of righteous hate.
>

You mean, that pedos were accepted during the cold war? Here's a
simple statement: pedophiles wreck children's lives their for their
own needs. This is not irrational hatred, or "targeting" people for no
reason. Child rape is a crime. It is a brutal, soul killing crime.
Even copkillers and drug dealers understand that.

>"...The new discovery is the scale of abuse going on in the home, yet
>the new panic is about the stranger in the park.
>

Watch TV. Incest is all the rage as the new "panic".

>"...In Dan Jacobson's new book about the Bible, he wrote of the Old
>Testament prophets:"The conviction that one is speaking on the side of
>virtue can license an indulgence in fantasies that virtue would
>ordinarily compel one to forswear." When people tell you what they'd
>like to do if they got their hands on a child molester, you sometimes
>see something verging on arousal."
>

Well, people feel the same way when they kill roaches. After all, when
does one get to crush pure evil. A child rapist is a perfect
exposition of pure, unimitigated evil. Unless you want to argue that
you like the idea and practice of raping children.

>Razz

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The Gilliard News

kir...@jumpnet.com

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I'm not sure why I'm bothering to respond to an anonymous pedo message,
but here goes:

In article <1998011517...@basement.replay.com>,
nob...@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>

> The difference is that you go a step further and say that anyone even
> "advocating" it is a pervert. And where did I "advocate" it? It's obviously
> a choice, just like any other sexual preference.

Well ... a lot of people, myself included, would debate whether sexual
orientation is a "choice." If you're arguing that some people are born
with an inherent desire to engage in pedophilia, though, I can agree with
that.

> I'm not advocating that
> anyone do anything, only that their choice should be respected and tolerated.

And that's where your argument falls into the range of fallacy.
Comparing homosexuality to pedophilia doesn't work. Yes, both
homosexuals and pedophiles have historically seen societal ostracizing
due to their sexual orientation, but that's where the similarity ends.
Homosexuality (generally) involves sexual acts between two consenting
adults who are old enough to make informed, enlightened decisions about
how to act on their sexual impulses. (And for argument's sake, note that
I'm not going to apply an arbitrary "you have to be 18 years old to be
considered an adult" standard here.) In pedophilic acts, OTOH, only
*one* of the two parties involved is definitively old enough to make
informed choices about his/her sexuality. Though I'm not going to argue
that every "pedophilic" act is an act of rape, it's impossible to deny
that the adult in a pedophilic situation has decided that he/she wants to
have sex with a child and has convinced a child - keeping in mind that
children are generally naive, sexually immature, and afraid to say no to
adults - to engage in sex acts. Given the well-documented negative
psychological repercussions that a HUGE number of pedophile victims feel
in later years due to the adult pedophiles' decisions, I think it's safe
to argue that this behavior is usually not the least bit healthy or
appropriate as far as the child is concerned.

As for your argument that pedophiles' "choice should be respected," I
assume you realize there are limits to the level society can accept what
a person "chooses" to do. Jeffrey Dahmer chose to torture children and
then slice them up and eat them -- should we respect his "choice" to do
this?

Jeff

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-=JR=-

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In article <34befce2...@news.demon.co.uk>, chile@zen-centaur says...

>
>Emera...@REMOVE.mindspring.com (Leslie) wrote:
>>
>>Somewhere out there, a village is missing its idiot.
>
>My god. That is *so* funny. Thanks for making me choke on my
>sausage roll. That one *got* to go into the Anti-FAQ - it should
>become the header of the morons/trolls/clubies section. Please,
>*NaNcY*? Please, please, please? I'll stay out of this newsgroup
>for one entire week (read: seven days!). I promise! <cheers &
>applause from the ASGers who, by now, are (or should be) sick
>of my postings> ..hey, it's not my fault that I'm insomanic. Just
>think, *NaNcY*, *seven* days of my absence. To get that, just
>include that classic line in your Anti-FAQ. That's *all* you have
>to do to shut me up. Believe me, many will email you, begging
>you to do this....
>
>Catty (a film bore and her sausage roll)

I move you add it and have Catty post *twice* as much for a week!

-=JR=-


Catty

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jro...@ridgenet.net (-=JR=-) wrote:

Thank you...but you are dealing with the Anti-FAQ? If so, ack! I'm
sorry for not realising that. Well, JR, my dear...<waffle, grovel,
waffle, grovel, waffle.> <about 20 minutes later> ..so, again, thanks
very much. Owe you one.

Catty (a film bore)
xx


*NaNcY*

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On 16 Jan 1998 17:10:16 GMT, jro...@ridgenet.net (-=JR=-) wrote:

>In article <34befce2...@news.demon.co.uk>, chile@zen-centaur
says...
>>
>>Emera...@REMOVE.mindspring.com (Leslie) wrote:
>>>
>>>Somewhere out there, a village is missing its idiot.
>>
>>My god. That is *so* funny. Thanks for making me choke on my
>>sausage roll. That one *got* to go into the Anti-FAQ - it should
>>become the header of the morons/trolls/clubies section. Please,
>>*NaNcY*? Please, please, please? I'll stay out of this newsgroup
>>for one entire week (read: seven days!). I promise! <cheers &
>>applause from the ASGers who, by now, are (or should be) sick
>>of my postings> ..hey, it's not my fault that I'm insomanic. Just
>>think, *NaNcY*, *seven* days of my absence. To get that, just
>>include that classic line in your Anti-FAQ. That's *all* you have
>>to do to shut me up. Believe me, many will email you, begging
>>you to do this....
>>
>>Catty (a film bore and her sausage roll)
>
>I move you add it and have Catty post *twice* as much for a week!
>
>-=JR=-


It is saved and will be added to the next update of the anti-FAQ.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

*NaNcY*
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( )
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MLYoung

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>And, a long time ago, I heard something sort of similar to my
>"Somewhere out there, a village is missing its idiot" line and this
>phrase just popped into my head as I read post after post from the
>pedophile.
>

I first read the phrase in a series of British job
evaluations--you know, one of those things that
wanders about the 'net. I must say that I consider
Leslie's use of it as eminently apropos.

--margaret

>

Ray

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Kate wrote:
>
> In article <884967264....@dejanews.com>, kir...@jumpnet.com says...

> >
> >> I'm not advocating that
> >> anyone do anything, only that their choice should be respected and tolerated.
> >
If a 12 yo girl can choose to have an abortion, why shouldn't she be
able to choose to fuck some scuz bucket, whatever the things age? Like
doing some older director thing of a major motion picture company? Was
it pedophilia, or choice?

jam

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Jan 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/17/98
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Boy has this thread died an ugly death or what?
It's become, determining the derivation of a funny line? NANCY wrote....
riveting, kids :)
jam

Rometraxx

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>Hold it right there!
>
>Since when is a person's sexual orientation, whether gay, hetero, or
>pedophile a "sexual perversion"? Pedophobia is nothing but the same old
>homophobia with ageism tacked on for good measure!
>
>Don't play into the hands of the religious right-wing hatemongers.
>
>
>
>

Pedophiles are perverted criminals, it is a perversion because children aren't
mature enougth to deal with sexual situations with adults, therefore these
assholes are preying on weak innocents for their own sick perversions. You
must be sick in the head yourself, if you think pedophilia is OK. ALL
PEDOPHILES SHOULD DIE SLOW & PAINFULL DEATHS!!!!!!!

Rometraxx

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Jan 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/18/98
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>> Is it true that Danny Kaye was not only bisexual, but also a child
>> molestor? I have heard this from more than one person in the movie
>business.
>> Apparently his wife helped him in obtaining children.
>>
>> It's about time this scumbum was shown up for what he was.
>
>Why don't you bigoted, right-wing xtian homophobes and pedophobes fuck off
>and die?
>
>
>

Why don't you sick pedophiles DIE!!!!! If I ever got my hands on a pedophile
I'd beat them till they begged for mercy, then I'd beat them some more,
Pedophiles, Murderers & Drug Dealers are parasite scum and they should all get
the death sentence, and I'd gladly pull the switch.

jam

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Jan 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/18/98
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It's this kind of hysteria and violence that makes me, as a young man,
question this issue.
Is it the same sick, mad anger that makes a dad want to kill the guy that
takes his daughter's virginity?
I think this poster's anger is too great for this issue, was he/she molested?
Why are pedophiles worse than rapists who often use VIOLENCE.
Why Are murderers....well, they're bad!!!!!
Why are drug dealers worse than INSIDER TRADERS who steal people's life savings?
Don't all these people deserve your anger?
jam

P.S. As we've seen recently, women can be pedophiles too, albeit with a woman
it's TRUE LOVE :)

Rometraxx

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Jan 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/19/98
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>It's this kind of hysteria and violence that makes me, as a young man,
>question this issue.
>Is it the same sick, mad anger that makes a dad want to kill the guy that
>takes his daughter's virginity?
>I think this poster's anger is too great for this issue, was he/she molested?

No, but I have two children and every time I hear about poor little kids being
molested or abused, I think of what must have gone through those poor little
innocent kids minds during the criminal acts perpetrated on them. Then I think
about the sick selfish perverts who get their jollies takeing advantage of poor
innocents.

>Why are pedophiles worse than rapists who often use VIOLENCE.

Because of their victims. Children are vulnerable and still in developmental
stages (mentally), this kind of abuse can scar these kids emotionally even
before they have developed. Sometimes leading these kids into violent or
deviant behavior that they wouldn't have ordinarily felt (which leads to more
victims).

>Why are drug dealers worse than INSIDER TRADERS who steal people's life
>savings?

Once again this is another crime that keeps on giving, Junkies need drugs, they
will do anything kill, steal, etc., to get high. Drug dealers live expensive
lifestyles while creating criminal zombies that scour the streets doing
"whatever to get their drugs.

And anyone who even considers pedophilia normal should seek help before he acts
on his sick compulsions, because if he does act on these compulsions, which are
clearly wrong in reasonable peoples minds, then he/she should die slow
torturous and violent deaths (I have no apologies for my anger to these
parasites.)

lea bob

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Web...@webtv.net (Buster Crab) wrote:
>
>The book was by Donald Spoto. In one instance, he describes a scene in
>which Kaye posed as customs agent and strip-searched Olivier before
>revealing himself as Kaye. Since only Olivier and Kaye were present
>at "the unveiling" and both were dead when Spoto wrote the book, I
>wonder who his "source" was?
>
>Then Spoto cites a letter from Vivien Leigh to her subsequent husband in
>which Leigh complains of the Olivier/Kaye liaison. Yet Spoto does not
>quote the text of the letter, which certainly would have been a
>"substantial detail" if quoted.
>
(picking my way through the apparent infestation of pedophilia trolls
& their hapless victims)...

the Donald Spoto book was pretty good reading - one thing that has
stuck with me is the part about how - at the end of his life, DK had a
restaurant-quality chinese kitchen installed in his house & would
prepare elaborate dinners - at which he would not sit down & eat....

btw - have you ever observed the jester faces on King Arthur's
Carousel at Disneland? while watching my daughter go around (& around
& around & around), i decided that they are *all* Danny Kaye's face.
if they are - good choice.

lea bob
#39
making a Valentine's Statement with a few choice gnomes & flamingos
"The part of lea bob is currently being played by a feather in an
extreme state of personal anxiety."

lea bob

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michelle <dpa...@algonquin.round.table.org> wrote:

>Linda F. Cauthen wrote:
>>
>> michelle wrote:
>
><bs mercifully snipped>
>> > Please don't invoke a call for the N*M*L* assholes to come back...

whoops. too late!
>
>> That's what I was about to post, but you beat me to it. I
>> suspect that even "p*d*ph*le" will bring them slinking out of
>> their lairs.
>>
>> Linda ASGTPR#49
>
>GMTA. Once they think they got an opening, they stay for weeks on end.

kind of like poor white trash relatives...

lea bob
don't feed 'em; it only encourages 'em...

JB

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Jan 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/20/98
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Here we go. Why is it that now days those who are OBVIOUSLY sick, rather
than try to get help for the sickness would rather try to rally everyone
around them to yell, "BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A SICKNESS - JUST AN ALTERNATE
LIFESTYLE!"

Whether one person or a million tell you you're not sick for wanting to
have sex with a child, it doesn't change the fact the YOU ARE SICK! I'm not
necessarily speaking of you personally, but judging from your post I
probably am.

I'm neither right-wing nor religious, but come on...since when does one
have to be to recognize something so obviously wrong?

Rometraxx <rome...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980118032...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

xbj

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Rometraxx (rome...@aol.com) wrote:
: >> Is it true that Danny Kaye was not only bisexual, but also a child

: >> molestor? I have heard this from more than one person in the movie
: >business.
: >> Apparently his wife helped him in obtaining children.
: >>
: >> It's about time this scumbum was shown up for what he was.
: >
: >Why don't you bigoted, right-wing xtian homophobes and pedophobes fuck off
: >and die?
: >
: >
: >
:
: Why don't you sick pedophiles DIE!!!!! If I ever got my hands on a pedophile

: I'd beat them till they begged for mercy, then I'd beat them some more,
: Pedophiles, Murderers & Drug Dealers are parasite scum and they should all get
: the death sentence, and I'd gladly pull the switch.

Ah... another satisfied and happy
Michael Jackson fan...

x...@mclv.net
:)

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