David Bowie and Yoko Ono squish animals for art!
MacHeath
Did you catch that snip on Reuters where Brigitte Bardot
goes on about Bowie and Ono attending some Nitsch festival
next week where animals are going to be sacrificed, their innards
stamped upon and then thrown on canvas for art's sake?
I'm not one to judge but this is kinda sick.
andrew, who actually is pretty judgmental
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Wolfenhnd
>Brigitte Bardot goes on about Bowie and Ono attending some Nitsch festival
>next week where animals are going to be sacrificed, their innards
>stamped upon and then thrown on canvas for art's sake?
>
>I'm not one to judge but this is kinda sick.
And it can't smell too pretty either -- fresh or after a few days on the wall
it will definitely make for some unpleasant air.
But it doesn't surprise me that Yoko will be there. How else is she going to
get any press? No one gives two hoots about her unless she's doing something
stupid.
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Grnbrier
>Did you catch that snip on Reuters where MacHeath wrote:
>>Brigitte Bardot goes on about Bowie and Ono attending some Nitsch festival
>>next week where animals are going to be sacrificed, their innards
>>stamped upon and then thrown on canvas for art's sake?
>>
>>I'm not one to judge but this is kinda sick.
This is reminiscent of the thread about "squish videos" over in ATC a couple of
months back. It concerned the existance of videos featuring small animals
getting "squished" by close-ups of women wearing spike-heeled shoes!
Apparently, there is a contingent of sexual fetishists who find an all-powerful
high-heel PUMP ~squishing~ a small animal (mouse, hamster, even insects)
EROTIC!
>And it can't smell too pretty either -- fresh or after a few days on the wall
>it will definitely make for some unpleasant air.
Maybe that's the genre: Stench Art.
>But it doesn't surprise me that Yoko will be there. How else is she going to
>get any press?
By protesting cosmetic industry product-testing that exploits animals?
> No one gives two hoots about her unless she's doing something
>stupid.
In that case, she's been getting the 'ol dual-trumpet blast *hourly,* since
birth.
Doogie
smo...@ihateads.com
wolf...@aol.com (Wolfenhnd) wrote:
>
> But it doesn't surprise me that Yoko will be there. How else is she going to
> stupid.
>
>
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Well actually Yoko has a lot of fans in artsy circles. She was at the
forefront of some types of stuff. (I'm not one but I have friends who
are.) She helped popularize Ciba Matto in this area, when they performed
back-up for some (sold out) shows she had at the Knitting Factory in NYCn
a few years ago. She may not appeal to the heartland and mainstream types,
but she does have a good number of admirers with edgier tastes.
Emma
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> forefront of some types of stuff. (I'm not one but I have friends who
> are.) She helped popularize Ciba Matto in this area, when they performed
> back-up for some (sold out) shows she had at the Knitting Factory in NYCn
> a few years ago. She may not appeal to the heartland and mainstream types,
> but she does have a good number of admirers with edgier tastes.
>
> Emma
I'm sure that the singer from Cibo Matto dating Sean Lennon had nothing to do with any of their "popularization"
DNA409
>she does have a good number of admirers with edgier tastes.<
And that would be ME!!! I love Yoko Ono. I am indifferent to the Beatles
and John Lennon, but I'm crazy about Yoko!
She was/is a member of a very influencial art group called Fluxus. They
really push the avant guarde envelope. One of my favorite pieces by Ono is
Apple. It is a fresh apple put on a pedestal. That's it!! The beauty is in the
simplicity. I saw this installation in New York a few years back and it was all
I could do to not take a bite out of it, but I knew they would throw me out of
the museum if I did.
I love Yoko Ono.
Neil, your petit chouchou.
"Pink is the navy blue of India"- Diana Vreeland
"Wear your green cornflakes with pride"-Dolly Parton
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was somewhat respected in avant-garde circles.
Mel
On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 13:40:56 -0400, smo...@ihateads.com wrote:
>In article <199808011203...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
>wolf...@aol.com (Wolfenhnd) wrote:
>>
>> But it doesn't surprise me that Yoko will be there. How else is she going to
>> get any press? No one gives two hoots about her unless she's doing something
>> stupid.
>>
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>
>Well actually Yoko has a lot of fans in artsy circles. She was at the
>forefront of some types of stuff. (I'm not one but I have friends who
>are.) She helped popularize Ciba Matto in this area, when they performed
>back-up for some (sold out) shows she had at the Knitting Factory in NYCn
>a few years ago. She may not appeal to the heartland and mainstream types,
>but she does have a good number of admirers with edgier tastes.
>
>Emma
MacHeath
> She was/is a member of a very influencial art group called Fluxus. They
>really push the avant guarde envelope. One of my favorite pieces by Ono is
>Apple. It is a fresh apple put on a pedestal. That's it!! The beauty is in the
>simplicity.
But what happens when the apple goes bad? Does someone come and change
it or does Yoko have to do it herself to make sure it's placed on the stool
properly. I mean if the curator was replacing the apples, it would be considered
a reproduction right? Or is this a one night stand kind of thing.
andrew
smo...@ihateads.com
<jaya...@greensboro.com> wrote:
> > Well actually Yoko has a lot of fans in artsy circles. She was at the
> > forefront of some types of stuff. (I'm not one but I have friends who
> > are.) She helped popularize Ciba Matto in this area, when they performed
> > back-up for some (sold out) shows she had at the Knitting Factory in NYCn
> > a few years ago. She may not appeal to the heartland and mainstream types,
> > but she does have a good number of admirers with edgier tastes.
> >
> > Emma
>
> I'm sure that the singer from Cibo Matto dating Sean Lennon had nothing
to do with any of their "popularization"
But she wasn't dating him back then. There association with Yoko was how
they came to know Sean. I saw Sean Lennon perform recently at the Tibet
Freedom Fest and later that weekend opening for Tuatara at the 9:30 Club.
At the later show, Cibo Matto performed onstage with him and he was much
better with the addition of them performing with his band, IMO.
tup...@seaside.net
dna...@aol.com (DNA409) wrote:
> (on Yoko Ono:)
> >she does have a good number of admirers with edgier tastes.<
>
> and John Lennon, but I'm crazy about Yoko!
> really push the avant guarde envelope. One of my favorite pieces by Ono is
> Apple. It is a fresh apple put on a pedestal. That's it!! The beauty is in the
all
> I could do to not take a bite out of it, but I knew they would throw me out of
> the museum if I did.
> I love Yoko Ono.
>
> Neil, your petit chouchou.
>
> "Pink is the navy blue of India"- Diana Vreeland
> "Wear your green cornflakes with pride"-Dolly Parton
>
Geez, is Yoko still doing the apple thing? That was new back in 1968! I
really hope she isn't supporting this artist. I realize that art requires
tremendous freedom, but I think we have to be able to draw the line when it
comes to this kind of cruelty. "What's the good of art when it hurts your
head"
>
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DNA409
>it or does Yoko have to do it herself to make sure it's placed on the stool
>properly. I mean if the curator was replacing the apples, it would be
>considered
>a reproduction right? Or is this a one night stand kind of thing.
I don't know the specifics of the apple piece, but with a lot of
conceptual art there are instructions. I imagine Yoko did not go down there
everyday to change out the apple. I bet she simply left instructions to change
the apple each day with a new one.
There is an artist (I forgot his name) who did these great piles of candy.
The instructions for these pieces include an ideal weight (like 25 pounds).
But, the point of the pile of candy is that anyone who walks by it is supposed
to take a piece. So, the candy is constantly being eaten and depleated. He had
a show at The Guggenheim in New York and I talked to one of the guards about it
and he said the museum replaced the candy each morning.
What I found most amusing was that some of the piles of candy were on loan
from private collections. Just imagine, you buy a pile of candy from this world
famous artist (well, not famous enough for me to remember his name:-)) and you
pay several thousand dollars for it. You put it in your home. All your guests,
family, servants eat the candy. Then it's your responsibility to go buy more
candy for the pile. What happens if they stop making that kind of candy? Each
pile was different: one was all Bazooka bubblegum, one had red, silver, and
blue wrapped hard candy, one had clear wrapped black hard candy, etc... I
wonder if there is a substitution clause in the certificate of authenticity?
I wonder if Yoko allows any color apple of if it can only be a certain
color, shape, size??
DNA409
The apple piece was in a Fluxus retrospective show. They also had the Yoko
piece where it's a piece of wood with a hammer attached and viewers are
supposed to nail a nail in the wood. The funny part was that it was already
nailed up (I assume it was the original piece of wood from the 60's) and you
weren't supposed to touch it.
In the 60's, when it wasn't worth any money and it was just a piece of
wood, a hammer, and an idea, you were supposed to touch it, to nail a nail in
it. But, in the 90's, now that it's a valuable relic of the idealistic 60's,
you aren't supposed to touch it at all. It could be closed for legal reasons.
If someone hit their thumb with the hammer in the late 60's, they might say
"Damn!". In the 90's they would say: "There were no warning signs about
possible thumb damage from misuse of the hammer and no safety training classes
available. That's why I'm suing The Whitney Museum of Art, Craftsman Tools, and
Miss Ono for $50 million dollars."
I wouldn't have let anyone hammer, either.
belad...@hotmail.com
dna...@aol.com (DNA409) wrote:
> (on Yoko Ono:)
> >she does have a good number of admirers with edgier tastes.<
>
> And that would be ME!!! I love Yoko Ono. I am indifferent to the Beatles
> and John Lennon, but I'm crazy about Yoko!
> She was/is a member of a very influencial art group called Fluxus. They
> really push the avant guarde envelope. One of my favorite pieces by Ono is
> Apple. It is a fresh apple put on a pedestal. That's it!! The beauty is in the
> simplicity. I saw this installation in New York a few years back and it was
all
> I could do to not take a bite out of it, but I knew they would throw me out of
> the museum if I did.
> I love Yoko Ono.
>
> Neil, your petit chouchou.
Your right there with my favourite art prof who used to drill the Ono mantra
into our heads. He adored her art, said there was no conceptual artist to
match her.
bel
>
> "Pink is the navy blue of India"- Diana Vreeland
> "Wear your green cornflakes with pride"-Dolly Parton
>
>
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Toni
of all of Lennon's $$) putting an apple (symbol of the production of
said $$) on a pedestal??
Sounds a little too cute for my taste.
Wolfenhnd
>into our heads. He adored her art, said there was no conceptual artist to
>match her.
>
>bel
Bel, this isn't toward directed toward you per se, I'm quoting you just to keep
some sense in the thread....
As a working (and struggling) artist who has spent years in school, hours and
hours studying, practicing and honing my artistic skills and who is finally
getting some national recognition after years of hard work, I think that
"conceptual artists" are a big load of hooey and they must be laughing up their
sleeves at everyone who pays money to see such foolishness.
If you are moved by a perfect apple, fine, but give credit to the Creator of
All Things, not Yoko Ono. She paid $.15 for it and charged you much more to
see it -- but can she draw it? I strongly object to her being called any kind
of "artist" except maybe a "bullshit" one.
These are all my humble opinions, of course, and I don't mean to demean those
who find her marvolous. Differences of opinion are the things that make the
world go 'round. But, very frankly, I wouldn't go to see any of her "art" even
if *she* paid ME.
(now donning a flame-proof smock)
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Sherry Stoneman
it better myself.
Sherita
belad...@hotmail.com
wolf...@aol.com (Wolfenhnd) wrote:
> >Your right there with my favourite art prof who used to drill the Ono mantra
> >into our heads. He adored her art, said there was no conceptual artist to
> >match her.
> >
> >bel
>
> Bel, this isn't toward directed toward you per se, I'm quoting you just to
keep
> some sense in the thread....
>
> hours studying, practicing and honing my artistic skills and who is finally
> getting some national recognition after years of hard work, I think that
> "conceptual artists" are a big load of hooey and they must be laughing up
their
> sleeves at everyone who pays money to see such foolishness.
Most conceptual artists sell nary a peice for the reasons you describe, it's a
concept not a "work." Also, they don't have works in museums usually (unless
you include Duchamp as a CA) which charge money to get in, they mostly show in
galleries or art spaces which are free to the general public.
>
> If you are moved by a perfect apple, fine, but give credit to the Creator of
> All Things, not Yoko Ono. She paid $.15 for it and charged you much more to
> see it -- but can she draw it? I strongly object to her being called any kind
> of "artist" except maybe a "bullshit" one.
Ya know, I'm inclined to call Photo-realism trite and hackneyed, and most
modern "realistic" painting as well, but I see it often and try to justify it
anyway as an example of works produced by hard work. But then, the
swashbuckler in me says, "FUCK hard work! and the Tortured Artist too!" Let
it look easy, let it look facile and seamless and brave and controversial,
now what's the meaning? Sometimes there ain't any (or it's too obscure for
me) but sometimes I'm shocked by the wit and the ease and the daring of
Conceptual and Abstract art. Which form furthers my perceptions? Which
challenges me to come to grips with what defines Art? Gotta be those
Conceptuals and Abstractionists, who's peices I'm not buying (no $ here) but
who pique my interest again and again.
>
> These are all my humble opinions, of course, and I don't mean to demean those
> who find her marvolous. Differences of opinion are the things that make the
> world go 'round. But, very frankly, I wouldn't go to see any of her "art"
even
> if *she* paid ME.
I would, even if she didn't pay me, because she provokes reactions like your
own and I'd like to see for myself if she did anything that merited the kudos
of my prof or your harsh judgement.
>
> (now donning a flame-proof smock)
Not a flame. I'm extraordinarily interested in the battle between
representation artists and the non-reps. I'm a fan of Modern and the newer
art forms, with the proviso that much of it sux (Julien Schnabel, ewwwww!)
But I'm still open to the suggestion that realism is something more than an
ancient exercise (Eric Fischel and Lucien Freud spring to mind as good
proponents of this.) So your opinions are very interesting to me.
bel
>
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lin...@premenos.com
wolf...@aol.com (Wolfenhnd) wrote:
> >Your right there with my favourite art prof who used to drill the Ono mantra
> >into our heads. He adored her art, said there was no conceptual artist to
> >match her.
> >
> >bel
>
> Bel, this isn't toward directed toward you per se, I'm quoting you just to keep
> some sense in the thread....
>
> As a working (and struggling) artist who has spent years in school, hours and
> hours studying, practicing and honing my artistic skills and who is finally
> getting some national recognition after years of hard work, I think that
> "conceptual artists" are a big load of hooey and they must be laughing up their
> sleeves at everyone who pays money to see such foolishness.
>
> All Things, not Yoko Ono. She paid $.15 for it and charged you much more to
> see it -- but can she draw it? I strongly object to her being called any kind
> of "artist" except maybe a "bullshit" one.
>
> who find her marvolous. Differences of opinion are the things that make the
> world go 'round. But, very frankly, I wouldn't go to see any of her "art" even
> if *she* paid ME.
<giggling riotously, and in complete agreement> Thank you, my dear....you
have just MADE my day!
Linda
ASGTPR#106
Wolfenhnd
I'm extraordinarily interested in the battle between
>representation artists and the non-reps. I'm a fan of Modern and the newer
>art forms, with the proviso that much of it sux (Julien Schnabel, ewwwww!)
>But I'm still open to the suggestion that realism is something more than an
>ancient exercise
Just because I think Yoko Ono's work is crap please do not assume that I am an
artist who only believes in representation/realism. That's simply not true. I
appreciate and do both abstract and realistic work in many diverse mediums. To
know that an abstract work is good is to also know that the artist was most
capable of rendering the work realistically. In other words: The artist is
just not just pulling your leg; they have done their work and learned their
craft and they richly deserve the title of "artist".
After 30 years of studying and watching multitudes of artists and fads I still
think that an apple on a pedestal does not constitute artwork. It certainly
shouldn't be called artwork "created" by Yoko Ono simply because she calls
herself a "conceptual artist". (I hope there is a Higher Power that is going
to call her to task for plagiarizing Her work someday.)
Neither do I see "art" as having people climb a ladder then charging them money
to hammer a nail into a board. That's just Yoko's artsy-fartsy way of hawking
snake-oil like a side-show geek -- at that, she's good...
....at art, she's *bad*
Again, just MHO.
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Andrew Stewart
>>Did you catch that snip on Reuters where MacHeath wrote:
>>Brigitte Bardot goes on about Bowie and Ono attending some Nitsch festival
>>next week where animals are going to be sacrificed, their innards
>>stamped upon and then thrown on canvas for art's sake?
>>
>>I'm not one to judge but this is kinda sick.
>
>And it can't smell too pretty either -- fresh or after a few days on the wall
>it will definitely make for some unpleasant air.
>
>But it doesn't surprise me that Yoko will be there.
For the record, both Yoko Ono and David Bowie have issued statements
saying they have no intention of attending and are not associated with
Nitsch in any way.
(np: Best Of Bowie 69/74)
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