Celebrities who pronounce their names wrong
Eric Newman
Why does Chynna Phillips call herself "China"? Doesn't "Chynna" rhyme
with "skin a" (as in "skin a cat")?
And Wynonna Judd--seems to me that should rhyme with "Donna," but she
apparently insists on being called "Winona," as in "Winona Ryder."
What's the deal with these people?
Leslie Strom
In article <4scosd$p...@uucp.intac.com>
ed...@intac.com (Eric Newman) writes:
It sounds like Hooked on Phonics Worked For You.
Leslie ASGTP #65B
Netnom
i know this is merely another of our threads to diss celebs, but speaking
as someone with an unusual name, who in the course of my life has had
literally *hundreds* of people tell me that they know better than i do how
to pronounce *my* name, i defend the right of a person to pronounce their
own name any mother-freakin' way they want to! and anyone who tells
someone they are mispronouncing their own name is a bigger idiot than Rush
Limbaugh.
Iane Morgan
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unless they're true.
(David Mamet)
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Melody Clark
RFerrie wrote:
> Well, then, they should damn well spell it that way. There's an "L" for
> heaven's sake! That, dahling, is my point. Otherwise, you could spell
> your name "kkyopeleku" and say "but it's pronounced 'Jane'!"
Well, there's February, too, but how do we say it? :-)
It's the Welsh pronunciation of "Ralph" -- it's fairly common in the
Appalachians, too, though it's usually Americanized to "Rafe".
Anyway, you're talking about the country that pronounces "Leicester"
Lester. It's a losing battle. <VVVVBG>
Melody...friend to Brits and non-Brits and all those in-between (in other
words, don't shoot me)
>
> Ah, well, my name isn't spelled 'right' without an accent, but I don't
> make folks call me "Reneeeeeee" cuz my birth certificate is accentless
> (damn English typewriters), so who am I to talk.
Robert Matthews
> Why does Chynna Phillips call herself "China"? Doesn't "Chynna" rhyme
> with "skin a" (as in "skin a cat")?
>
> And Wynonna Judd--seems to me that should rhyme with "Donna," but she
> apparently insists on being called "Winona," as in "Winona Ryder."
>
> What's the deal with these people?
The deal is that like it or not, people get to determine the
pronunciation of their own names. If you're called Regina and you don't
want people to pronounce it ruh-jy-nuh because then it rhymes with
"vagina", then you're allowed to insist that they pronounce it
ruh-jee-nuh. Or, to use a silly example stolen from Monty Python, if your
name is Brian Luxury Yacht, you still get to tell people that it's
correctly pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove. That's just how it works.
I mean, if you don't get own your own name and its pronunciation,
then what exactly do you own?
Robert Matthews (pronounced as you'd expect)
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S. Tanksley
Eric Newman wrote:
>And Wynonna Judd--seems to me that should rhyme with "Donna," but
>she apparently insists on being called "Winona," as in "Winona
>Ryder."
>
>What's the deal with these people?
Wynonna was born Christina Ciminella. She was given the name
Wynonna by some member of another country group shortly before The
Judds became a household name. She was supposedly named after a
town (but not Winona, Mississippi).
I have some very mean friends at work who refer to her as WideLoada
Judd.
Scott
Melody Clark
Christopher John Markle wrote:
> British pronounciation is too confusing for American english
> speakers, it should not be introduced to this group, otherwise
> it seems like 3rd grade grammar class, all over again.
Good heavens, no. Let us not have this discourse among savages.
As it happens (excuse me whilst I affect the plummy mode I was taught at
prep school), all English is nothing but a deviation of previous form.
English itself is a bastardized language, having turned more corners than
a whore in San Francisco.
So, I reckon this means we'uns can say "Ralph" however we wantsta, and he
can say it however he wantsta, too.
Just keep your nose level with the horizon, okay?
Melody (in Greek, a term for slaughtering cows...in Latin, music...)
>
> example: Leicester (in the uk) is pronounced 'lester'
> Derby is pronounced 'darby'
>
> so, let's just stick to American speech patterns.
plo...@pipeline.com
In article <4sdh8n$b...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, DBJ writes:
(snip)
>
>How about the actress that played the mom on the Waltons?
>
>Isn't it Michael Learned (sorry about the spelling)? I think it was
supposed
>to be pronouced some weird way. I never got the story straight on that
one.
>
If I'm remembering it right, it was pronounced "Michael Learn-id," unless
there was some weird little flourish I never knew about.
Tupelo
ASGTP #104
Resident Elvis Archivist and
Peanut-Butter Sandwich Fryer
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wearing a cowboy hat and waving toy pistols. He bought me a drink. I told
him I was going to quit dancing because my torso ached. "Your torso should
be in the Louvre," he said, "which is a museum."
-- Debra Monroe, "The Source of Trouble"
Karen Byrd
> Why does Chynna Phillips call herself "China"? Doesn't "Chynna" rhyme
> with "skin a" (as in "skin a cat")?
>
> And Wynonna Judd--seems to me that should rhyme with "Donna," but she
> apparently insists on being called "Winona," as in "Winona Ryder."
>
> What's the deal with these people?
There's no deal. They can pronounce their names anyway they like.
Why does it matter?
--
Karen Byrd
School of Medicine
Univ. of Pennsylvania
Phila., PA
Karen Byrd
In article <31EA78...@inforamp.net>, RFerrie <rfe...@inforamp.net> wrote:
> Eric Newman wrote:
> >
> > Why does Chynna Phillips call herself "China"? Doesn't "Chynna" rhyme
> > with "skin a" (as in "skin a cat")?
> >
> > And Wynonna Judd--seems to me that should rhyme with "Donna," but she
> > apparently insists on being called "Winona," as in "Winona Ryder."
> >
> > What's the deal with these people?
>
> Hey, I just want to pin down Ralph Fiennes, slap him, and tell him what a
> pretentious weenie he is. It's RALPH. No matter how haughty you wanna
> be, it ain't Rafe. Grrr.
Oh bollocks!
If you knew any Brits you'd know that how he pronounces is fine.
Besides who cares how he pronounces? So what?
C Neilson
RFerrie <rfe...@inforamp.net> wrote:
>Eric Newman wrote:
>>
>> Why does Chynna Phillips call herself "China"? Doesn't "Chynna" rhyme
>> with "skin a" (as in "skin a cat")?
>>
>> And Wynonna Judd--seems to me that should rhyme with "Donna," but she
>> apparently insists on being called "Winona," as in "Winona Ryder."
>>
>> What's the deal with these people?
>Hey, I just want to pin down Ralph Fiennes, slap him, and tell him what a
>pretentious weenie he is. It's RALPH. No matter how haughty you wanna
>be, it ain't Rafe. Grrr.
It's Rafe, actually...
(ROFL hysterically)
Actually, honest to god, it IS Rafe. All his family call him *that* way. Or so
I've been told by a friend of the 'other' branch of Fiennes family - e.g. the
mountain climbers.
RFerrie
Well, then, they should damn well spell it that way. There's an "L" for
heaven's sake! That, dahling, is my point. Otherwise, you could spell
your name "kkyopeleku" and say "but it's pronounced 'Jane'!"
Ah, well, my name isn't spelled 'right' without an accent, but I don't
RFerrie
Netnom wrote:
>
> i know this is merely another of our threads to diss celebs, but speaking
> as someone with an unusual name, who in the course of my life has had
> literally *hundreds* of people tell me that they know better than i do how
> to pronounce *my* name, i defend the right of a person to pronounce their
> own name any mother-freakin' way they want to! and anyone who tells
> someone they are mispronouncing their own name is a bigger idiot than Rush
> Limbaugh.
>
> Iane Morgan
Now, one thing to note: We're not saying they mispronounce their names,
exactly. More that they take a perfectly acceptable name and wiggle 'em
to make them more interesting. See, if you said your name was actually
pronounced "innio", people could reasonably say "that's wacky" 'cause
there's no "o", and any number of other reasons. Inflections, on the
other hand, are open, particularly in names of another cultural
background. I'd never object if you're name was pronounced "Ian",
"I-anne" "Een", "Aane", "Yanne" or anything else like that.
Plus, we're niggling over semantics. It doesn't really matter - we just
love to debate, and if we tick someone off, that's unfortunate.
Karen Byrd
In article <83744839...@catya.demon.co.uk>,
cnei...@catya.demon.co.uk wrote:
> RFerrie <rfe...@inforamp.net> wrote:
>
> >Eric Newman wrote:
> >>
> >> Why does Chynna Phillips call herself "China"? Doesn't "Chynna" rhyme
> >> with "skin a" (as in "skin a cat")?
> >>
> >> And Wynonna Judd--seems to me that should rhyme with "Donna," but she
> >> apparently insists on being called "Winona," as in "Winona Ryder."
> >>
> >> What's the deal with these people?
>
> >Hey, I just want to pin down Ralph Fiennes, slap him, and tell him what a
> >pretentious weenie he is. It's RALPH. No matter how haughty you wanna
> >be, it ain't Rafe. Grrr.
>
> It's Rafe, actually...
>
> (ROFL hysterically)
>
> Actually, honest to god, it IS Rafe. All his family call him *that*
way. Or so
> I've been told by a friend of the 'other' branch of Fiennes family - e.g. the
> mountain climbers.
There also was a British composer, Ralph Vaughan Williams, who'sfirst
name was pronounced "Rafe" too. It's probably more common in Britain
than lots of Americans think.
RFerrie
jan...@mit.edu
What about "Sylvester Stallone?" We all know it's really pronounced
"Whatta Putz". Actually, a lot of celebrities have this mispronunciation
problem, as does Bob Dole.
--
Janet from Another Planet
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George: "I do for the bad things!"
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DonnaB
On Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:18:15 -0700, RFerrie <rfe...@inforamp.net>
made the following known to the world at large in the
alt.showbiz.gossip msg. <31EAD1...@inforamp.net>:
| Netnom wrote:
| >
| > ... ... and anyone who tells
| > someone they are mispronouncing their own name is a bigger idiot than Rush
| >
| ... ... I'd never object if you're name was pronounced "Ian",
| "I-anne" "Een", "Aane", "Yanne" or anything else like that.
You mean Iane Morgan is not pronouced Eenie? I pronouced as e, silent
a, n, ee, ...
| love to debate, and if we tick someone off, that's unfortunate.
As opposed to, say, delightful? Seriously, though, people name their
child xyz & say that it is pronounced Bubba & xyz has a heck of a time
even getting through school without changing his name.
"The secret of having a personal life is not answering too many
questions about it." - Joan Collins
=^DonnaB-Bows Briefly In Memory of John Chancellor, RIP 7-12-96
=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=^=
DBJ
>
>Why does Chynna Phillips call herself "China"? Doesn't "Chynna" rhyme
>with "skin a" (as in "skin a cat")?
>
>And Wynonna Judd--seems to me that should rhyme with "Donna," but she
>apparently insists on being called "Winona," as in "Winona Ryder."
>
>What's the deal with these people?
>
How about the actress that played the mom on the Waltons?
Isn't it Michael Learned (sorry about the spelling)? I think it was supposed
to be pronouced some weird way. I never got the story straight on that one.
Help, any knowledgeable a.s.g.'ers, gimme an answer please!!
Beverly
Smoot
Demi Moore pronounces her first name in some pretentiously
different way than the spelling would indicate.
emma
John Moysen
> Demi Moore pronounces her first name in some pretentiously
> different way than the spelling would indicate.
She always sounds as if she's calling herself "Dummy"
John (pronounced "Jon")
--
Find me at http://wwww.users.dircon.co.uk/~john-ken
DonnaB
On 15 Jul 1996 16:14:12 GMT, Leslie Strom, lst...@198.137.231.14 made
the following known to the world at large in the alt.showbiz.gossip
| In article <4scosd$p...@uucp.intac.com>
| ed...@intac.com (Eric Newman) writes:
| > And Wynonna Judd--seems to me that should rhyme with "Donna," but she
| > apparently insists on being called "Winona," as in "Winona Ryder."
Since Dona, Donna, LaDona, LaDonna & MaDonna all pronouce the Don*a
part as Donna, why can't Wynonna have the extra *know-na* sounds that
are not beind used by them? Works for me. I hereby release all of my
own personal potential *know-na* sounds to her henceforth.
| It sounds like Hooked on Phonics Worked For You.
Werks Fer Mi, Tu!
"Age is something that doesn't matter, unless you are a cheese." -
Billie Burke
John Russell
>> >Hey, I just want to pin down Ralph Fiennes, slap him, and tell him what a
>> >pretentious weenie he is. It's RALPH. No matter how haughty you wanna
>> >be, it ain't Rafe. Grrr.
>>
>> It's Rafe, actually...
>>
>> (ROFL hysterically)
>>
>> Actually, honest to god, it IS Rafe. All his family call him *that*
>way. Or so
>> I've been told by a friend of the 'other' branch of Fiennes family - e.g.
the
>> mountain climbers.
>
>There also was a British composer, Ralph Vaughan Williams, who'sfirst
>name was pronounced "Rafe" too. It's probably more common in Britain
>than lots of Americans think.
>
I thought the actual spelling was "Ranulph", abbreviated "Ralph" but
pronounced "Rafe".
John
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Zorak
John Moysen wrote:
>
> In article <4sdslr$b...@news1.panix.com>, sm...@panix.com (Smoot) wrote:
>
> > Demi Moore pronounces her first name in some pretentiously
> > different way than the spelling would indicate.
>
> She always sounds as if she's calling herself "Dummy"
Nope, that's what *we're* calling her.
- Kathy, ASGTPR #79
Marc Lostracco
> Demi Moore pronounces her first name in some pretentiously
> different way than the spelling would indicate.
...as in, "Duh-MEE" with "Duh" being the operative word.
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ef...@interlog.com | Canada!' I said, 'Why? I *have*
www.interlog.com/~efar | a computer.'"
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Christopher John Markle
by...@mscf.med.upenn.edu (Karen Byrd) writes:
>In article <31EA78...@inforamp.net>, RFerrie <rfe...@inforamp.net> wrote:
>> Eric Newman wrote:
>> >
>> > Why does Chynna Phillips call herself "China"? Doesn't "Chynna" rhyme
>> > with "skin a" (as in "skin a cat")?
>> >
>> > And Wynonna Judd--seems to me that should rhyme with "Donna," but she
>> > apparently insists on being called "Winona," as in "Winona Ryder."
>> >
>> > What's the deal with these people?
>>
>> Hey, I just want to pin down Ralph Fiennes, slap him, and tell him what a
>> pretentious weenie he is. It's RALPH. No matter how haughty you wanna
>> be, it ain't Rafe. Grrr.
>Oh bollocks!
>If you knew any Brits you'd know that how he pronounces is fine.
>Besides who cares how he pronounces? So what?
>--
>Karen Byrd
British pronounciation is too confusing for American english
speakers, it should not be introduced to this group, otherwise
it seems like 3rd grade grammar class, all over again.
example: Leicester (in the uk) is pronounced 'lester'
Chris Pisarra
Netnom presented to the world:
: i know this is merely another of our threads to diss celebs, but speaking
: as someone with an unusual name, who in the course of my life has had
: literally *hundreds* of people tell me that they know better than i do how
: to pronounce *my* name, i defend the right of a person to pronounce their
: someone they are mispronouncing their own name is a bigger idiot than Rush
God forbid that I should ever be a bigger idiot than Rush, so
I'll just ask: How do you pronounce "Iane"?
Chris
--
Chris Pisarra pis...@ccnet.com
We used to laugh at Grandpa when he'd head off and go fishing. But
we wouldn't be laughing that evening when he'd come back with some
whore he picked up in town.
-------Jack Handy
ka...@delphi.com
DBJ <dbj...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>How about the actress that played the mom on the Waltons?
>
>Isn't it Michael Learned (sorry about the spelling)? I think it was supposed
>to be pronouced some weird way. I never got the story straight on that one.
I believe it's pronounced Learn-Ed. Which isn't so strange (judge
Learned Hand, etc.). Unless you meant she pronounces Michael in some
strange way, in which case she should be buggy whipped.
.
>In <4scosd$p...@uucp.intac.com> ed...@intac.com (Eric Newman) writes:
>
.
>>And Wynonna Judd--seems to me that should rhyme with "Donna," but she
>>apparently insists on being called "Winona," as in "Winona Ryder."
>>
Wynonna Judd pronounces it Why-Nona, and apparently adopted it from
a road sign out west somewhere. I'm not surehow the citizens of the
town pronounce it.
.
kassa
Colleen Condron
In article <4sgola$m...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, net...@aol.com (Netnom) wrote:
> In article <barbDuM...@netcom.com>, ba...@netcom.com (Barbara MacRae)
> wrote:
>
> > In article <jimbob-1507...@ts1-sj-19.mis.ca> jim...@mis.ca
> (Robert Matthews) writes:
> > > The deal is that like it or not, people get to determine the
> > >pronunciation of their own names. If you're called Regina and you don't
> > >want people to pronounce it ruh-jy-nuh because then it rhymes with
> > >"vagina", then you're allowed to insist that they pronounce it
> > >ruh-jee-nuh. Or, to use a silly example stolen from Monty Python, if
> your
> > >name is Brian Luxury Yacht, you still get to tell people that it's
> > >correctly pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove. That's just how it works.
> > >
> > > I mean, if you don't get own your own name and its pronunciation,
> > >then what exactly do you own?
> >
> > Sure. No argument there. But throwing temper tantrums about it when
> > someone mispronounces your name? I'm not suggesting that anyone
> > *has to* change the spelling of their name, or simply accept the
> > mispronunciations. But it is possible to correct people in such
> > a way that it does not leave them with the feeling that you are
> > a pretentious, affected boob. Apparently this is not a skill
> > that the Demi/D'Mee and the Ralph/Rafe and the baSINGERs of the
> > world have yet perfected.
>
> Not sure which of you wrote the above, so i'll credit both! i agree
> that celebs named above are mock-ppretentious. but i notice both of you
> (Barb and Robert) have 'normal' easily pronounceable names., therefore you
> have no idea how aggravating it is to go thru life *constantly* correcting
> people who not only mispronounce but often argue with you about your own
> friggin' name! therefore, after awhile, you do get a bit testy about it
> and your responses get a bit brusque, eh? and if you're a celeb this
> would happen a jillion times more often than it happens to folks like me
> and i go through this several times a week. get the picture?? i'd like
> to see how patient the 2 of you would be if you'd gone thru this all your
> life. i bet you'd be writing a frothing-at-the-mouth posting just like
> i am right now....
>
Gotta throw in my two cents....I pretty much agree with Iane....since I spend a
fair amount of time correcting people's mangling of my name.....I also
have a disdain
for "mock pretentious", and hadn't thought about Iane's reasoning that
celebs must
have to face mis-pronunciation more than the average Joe. It also must be
annoying,
since Demi and Ralph and everyone else's names are splashed across the media, so
it must be a double insult for the star of some overpublicized movie to
realize that over-
publicity couldn't even ensure that people know the correct pronunciation
of their names....
Now the advantage to being mispronounced....I can spot telphone sales
people right away....and when they ask for Carleen, Kelly, or Coe-leen, I
simply say,
"There's no one here by that name".
Colleen
(just like it's spelled......)
Jean Lyles
cma...@hydra.acs.uci.edu (Christopher John Markle) said:
>> British pronounciation is too confusing for American english
>> speakers, it should not be introduced to this group, otherwise
>> it seems like 3rd grade grammar class, all over again.
>> example: Leicester (in the uk) is pronounced 'lester'
>> Derby is pronounced 'darby'
>> so, let's just stick to American speech patterns.
In rural western North Carolina there is a "Leicester", and to the
consternation of all who were there and growing up in Asheville
in the '50's, the wonder of it all :D. It was pronounced "Lester"
We were confused and proud.
Jeanie <- whose 95 year old mother was born in
the mountains and claimed "she was 16 years
old before she knew there was anyplace to
look but 'straight up'"
This is the same Mimi that is co-host of Larry King Live
programs each evening.
Over the week-end she called and said she had met Bibi
Netan (can't spell) twice and despite herself thought she
liked him.
She claims Bob and Libby Dole are trying to change her
over to a Republican. She claims she likes the Doles but
she told them that she would appreciate if they would leave
her alone with her political beliefs.
This is the truth. So, when I was reading the thread about
Harry Morgan, well anything can happen and I feel fortunate
that my Mimi is "talking to the celebritys" and really, even
at her age keeps up with what is going on around the world.
Not to speak of what she "knows" about the "celebritys". She
has some good stuff about that. Her description of when Larry K
had mr. johnnie on (they were in her living room) is absolutely
priceless.
She said they asked her if she would allow an interview with butch.
She said she didn't think so, but maybe, if Larry agreed and they had
a lot of the blaiffs in there she might agree.
This was a discussion from right after the verdict.
I don't know why....I feel good posting this stuff in here.
I hope I haven't offended anyone.
Peace,
--
Jean Lyles
jea...@nando.net
Melody Clark
darkstar wrote:
<snips>
>What I hate
> worst are people that have to spit out their esophagi when saying "Bach"
> and can't just say "Bock" like they were brought up. I hope they strain
> something. :-)
I really hate saying van Gogh. If you say it right, you sound like
you're hocking up a hairball. If you say it "van Go", there's always
some tightass hanging around to correct you -- usually spitting something
on you in the process.
Melody
Melody Clark
RFerrie wrote:
> As a Canadian (who lived in Montreal) I am often rendered helpless with
> laughter at the pronunciation of French-heritage names by Americans. We
> were all weepy with laughter at the Olympics when Joan Benoit won the
> marathon. The US pronunciation was sort of phonetic - Ben-oyt, instead
> of Ben-wa as it was originally intended. Things like Delacroix
> ("Della-Croyks" instead of "Dela-crwa") and Chappelle ("Chapel" vs.
> "Sha-pelle"). <snicker>
Yeah, well, nothing is quite so funny to we southwestern Amurkins as a
Quebecois trying to pronounce the names of Tejana musical artists. :-)
Barbara MacRae
In article <jimbob-1507...@ts1-sj-19.mis.ca> jim...@mis.ca (Robert Matthews) writes:
> The deal is that like it or not, people get to determine the
>pronunciation of their own names. If you're called Regina and you don't
>want people to pronounce it ruh-jy-nuh because then it rhymes with
>"vagina", then you're allowed to insist that they pronounce it
>ruh-jee-nuh. Or, to use a silly example stolen from Monty Python, if your
>name is Brian Luxury Yacht, you still get to tell people that it's
>correctly pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove. That's just how it works.
>
> I mean, if you don't get own your own name and its pronunciation,
>then what exactly do you own?
Sure. No argument there. But throwing temper tantrums about it when
someone mispronounces your name? I'm not suggesting that anyone
*has to* change the spelling of their name, or simply accept the
mispronunciations. But it is possible to correct people in such
a way that it does not leave them with the feeling that you are
a pretentious, affected boob. Apparently this is not a skill
that the Demi/D'Mee and the Ralph/Rafe and the baSINGERs of the
world have yet perfected.
-Barb/B'Aaaaarbh
Barbara MacRae
In article <DuLsu...@world.std.com> tlo...@world.std.com (Tonia E Lorenz) writes:
>Smoot (sm...@panix.com) wrote:
>
>: Demi Moore pronounces her first name in some pretentiously
>: different way than the spelling would indicate.
>
>somewhat of an explanation for the "De-MEE" pronunciation.
But of course, that doesn't explain why she feels the need to be
a huge raging-ass bitch to people who make the unforgiveable
mistake of pronouncing it the way it's spelled. If it bothers
her that much, why doesn't she just change the spelling to
"D'Mee"? It's not like she has a thing for classic names.
-Barb
Erin Edman
>>
>> >Eric Newman wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Why does Chynna Phillips call herself "China"? Doesn't "Chynna" rhyme
>> >> with "skin a" (as in "skin a cat")?
>> >>
>> >> apparently insists on being called "Winona," as in "Winona Ryder."
>> >>
>>
>> >Hey, I just want to pin down Ralph Fiennes, slap him, and tell him what a
>> >pretentious weenie he is. It's RALPH. No matter how haughty you wanna
>> >be, it ain't Rafe. Grrr.
>>
>>
>> (ROFL hysterically)
>>
>> Actually, honest to god, it IS Rafe. All his family call him *that* way. Or so
>> I've been told by a friend of the 'other' branch of Fiennes family - e.g. the
>> mountain climbers.
>
>heaven's sake! That, dahling, is my point. Otherwise, you could spell
>your name "kkyopeleku" and say "but it's pronounced 'Jane'!"
This reminds me of the Monty Python sketch where the man's name is spelled "LuxuryYacht," but he haughtily informs the interviewer t=
hat it is pronounced "ThroatWarblerMangrove."
--Erin
ASGTPR# 70
**"Affair? I love a fair! Lights, pony rides, cotton candy..."
--Space Ghost**
S. Pines
In article <4sf8fk$o...@news-e2b.gnn.com>, S. Tanksley <Tank...@gnn.com> wrote:
>
>Eric Newman wrote:
>
>>And Wynonna Judd--seems to me that should rhyme with "Donna," but
>>she apparently insists on being called "Winona," as in "Winona
>>Ryder."
>>
>>What's the deal with these people?
>
>Wynonna by some member of another country group shortly before The
>Judds became a household name. She was supposedly named after a
>town (but not Winona, Mississippi).
But it's even *more* fabulous than any of you seem to realize!
She =doesn't= pronounce it "Winona" as in "Winona Ryder," but
rather Why-*know*-nah, and preferably with an exclamation point
at the end, like _Oklahoma!_ to signify down-home enthusiasm.
--S., pronounced "Eh-ssss"
--
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|| is a cultural flop." -- Raymond Chandler
Netnom
> In article <jimbob-1507...@ts1-sj-19.mis.ca> jim...@mis.ca
Not sure which of you wrote the above, so i'll credit both! i agree
that celebs named above are mock-ppretentious. but i notice both of you
(Barb and Robert) have 'normal' easily pronounceable names., therefore you
have no idea how aggravating it is to go thru life *constantly* correcting
people who not only mispronounce but often argue with you about your own
friggin' name! therefore, after awhile, you do get a bit testy about it
and your responses get a bit brusque, eh? and if you're a celeb this
would happen a jillion times more often than it happens to folks like me
and i go through this several times a week. get the picture?? i'd like
to see how patient the 2 of you would be if you'd gone thru this all your
life. i bet you'd be writing a frothing-at-the-mouth posting just like
i am right now....
Iane Morgan
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unless they're true.
(David Mamet)
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Robert Matthews
> In article <jimbob-1507...@ts1-sj-19.mis.ca> jim...@mis.ca
(Robert Matthews) writes:
> > The deal is that like it or not, people get to determine the
> >pronunciation of their own names. If you're called Regina and you don't
> >want people to pronounce it ruh-jy-nuh because then it rhymes with
> >"vagina", then you're allowed to insist that they pronounce it
> >ruh-jee-nuh. Or, to use a silly example stolen from Monty Python, if your
> >name is Brian Luxury Yacht, you still get to tell people that it's
> >correctly pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove. That's just how it works.
> >
> > I mean, if you don't get own your own name and its pronunciation,
> >then what exactly do you own?
>
> Sure. No argument there. But throwing temper tantrums about it when
> someone mispronounces your name? I'm not suggesting that anyone
> *has to* change the spelling of their name, or simply accept the
> mispronunciations. But it is possible to correct people in such
> a way that it does not leave them with the feeling that you are
> a pretentious, affected boob. Apparently this is not a skill
> that the Demi/D'Mee and the Ralph/Rafe and the baSINGERs of the
> world have yet perfected.
You're absolutely right, of course. I thought the argument was about
the principle, when it was really about the execution. However twee I
think the pronunciation of Ralph Fiennes' name to be, I certainly wouldn't
mind it as long as he corrected people with a patient "Actually, it's
pronounced 'rafe'--an old family tradition" and a wry expression that
suggests he knows it's all a bit silly but what can one do?
The pudgily loathesome Steven Seagal is one of the worst offenders in
this regard, worse even than Demi "that's d'Mee, dammit!" Moore. He
demands that his last name be pronounced not "see'-gul" in the standard
way, because it will make him sound Jewish, but "say-gall'", as Spy was
once fond of repeatedly pointing out. (He once refused to go into business
with a friend who declined to change his name's pronunciation or spelling,
saying that the business would sound like it was owned by two old Jews. A
whole new level of self-hatred, really.)
Robert Matthews
--
jim...@mis.ca
"Fear those prepared to die for the truth, for as a rule
they make many others die with them, often before them,
at times instead of them." --Umberto Eco
RFerrie
pHd wrote:
>
> Let's not forget Dan Cortese (even though the rest of America has gladly
> forgotten about him).
>
> As an Italian, I have no tolerance for other Italians who refuse to
> pronounce their last names properly.
>
> Dan pronounces his last name as "core tez" (as if the name were Spanish,
> like "Cortez"). The proper pronunciation of his name is "core tay zee."
> I have run into similar situations with many others whose names end in
> "-ese." Why do so many Italians find the proper pronunciation of these
> letters so unpleasant?
>
> --Paul (Del Grosso)
Smoot
> pdelg...@pbs.org (pHd) writes:
> Let's not forget Dan Cortese (even though the rest of America has gladly
> forgotten about him).
>
> As an Italian, I have no tolerance for other Italians who refuse to
> pronounce their last names properly.
>
> Dan pronounces his last name as "core tez" (as if the name were Spanish,
> like "Cortez"). The proper pronunciation of his name is "core tay zee."
> I have run into similar situations with many others whose names end in
> "-ese." Why do so many Italians find the proper pronunciation of these
> letters so unpleasant?
>
> --Paul (Del Grosso)
>
Scorsese's last name? I saw him on Charlie Rose a few years ago and
I remember his saying that the way most people pronounced it was
wrong, but now I'm hopelessly muddled as to how the correct
pronounciation went. Can anyone help?
thanks,
emma
Barbara MacRae
In article <4sgola$m...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> net...@aol.com (Netnom) writes:
>In article <barbDuM...@netcom.com>, ba...@netcom.com (Barbara MacRae)
>wrote:
>> someone mispronounces your name? I'm not suggesting that anyone
>> *has to* change the spelling of their name, or simply accept the
>> mispronunciations. But it is possible to correct people in such
>> a way that it does not leave them with the feeling that you are
>> a pretentious, affected boob. Apparently this is not a skill
>> that the Demi/D'Mee and the Ralph/Rafe and the baSINGERs of the
>> world have yet perfected.
>
>that celebs named above are mock-ppretentious. but i notice both of you
>(Barb and Robert) have 'normal' easily pronounceable names., therefore you
>have no idea how aggravating it is to go thru life *constantly* correcting
>people who not only mispronounce but often argue with you about your own
>friggin' name!
Well, actually I do. I went through the first 20 years of my life
with a truly horrendous, unpronounceable name, which I shall
certainly not reveal here.
> therefore, after awhile, you do get a bit testy about it
>and your responses get a bit brusque, eh? and if you're a celeb this
>would happen a jillion times more often than it happens to folks like me
>and i go through this several times a week. get the picture?? i'd like
>to see how patient the 2 of you would be if you'd gone thru this all your
>life. i bet you'd be writing a frothing-at-the-mouth posting just like
>i am right now....
Or we'd change our names. %^)
-Barb
David Migicovsky
In article <31EC01...@inforamp.net>, RFerrie <rfe...@inforamp.net> wrote:
>
>As a Canadian (who lived in Montreal) I am often rendered helpless with
>laughter at the pronunciation of French-heritage names by Americans. We
>were all weepy with laughter at the Olympics when Joan Benoit won the
>marathon. The US pronunciation was sort of phonetic - Ben-oyt, instead
>of Ben-wa as it was originally intended. Things like Delacroix
>("Della-Croyks" instead of "Dela-crwa") and Chappelle ("Chapel" vs.
>"Sha-pelle"). <snicker>
C'mon. If you really lived in Montréal, you'd be familiar with Laverdiere's
(lah-verd-ee-ers) drug store, Aubuchon (o-bush-ons) hardware and Montpelier
(Mont-peel-yer) from television.
David, who can forgive *anything* but Mawn-tree-all in place of the correct
English pronunciation of Mun-tree-all.
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John Sullivan
I grew up on Brys drive (pronounced Br-eyes), just down the block
from Goethe (pronounced Goe - thee) and very near to Charlevoix
(pronounced Shar-le-voy). Imagine my shock during my french class in
high school and german in college
--JWS
Relishing my middle american upbringing
darkstar@skynet wrote:
> What I hate is when you have some German or French name to pronounce and
> you don't know if you should give it the German pron. or the Americanized
> or Anglicized one...do I say "von WEBBER" or "von VAYBER" and will you
> look pretentious if you pronounce it not-the-way-those-around you do.
> There are all these towns in the U.S. that have French names and it hurts
> me to murder them but if you don't you sound pretentious. What I hate
Michael Grimes
It is well known that YO YO MA pronounces his name:
OY ! OY ! AM ! (ie as a Yiddish existentialist!! )
RFerrie
David Migicovsky wrote:
>
> In article <31EC01...@inforamp.net>, RFerrie <rfe...@inforamp.net> wrote:
> >
> >As a Canadian (who lived in Montreal) I am often rendered helpless with
> >laughter at the pronunciation of French-heritage names by Americans. We
> >were all weepy with laughter at the Olympics when Joan Benoit won the
> >marathon. The US pronunciation was sort of phonetic - Ben-oyt, instead
> >of Ben-wa as it was originally intended. Things like Delacroix
> >("Della-Croyks" instead of "Dela-crwa") and Chappelle ("Chapel" vs.
> >"Sha-pelle"). <snicker>
>
> C'mon. If you really lived in Montréal, you'd be familiar with Laverdiere's
> (lah-verd-ee-ers) drug store, Aubuchon (o-bush-ons) hardware and Montpelier
> (Mont-peel-yer) from television.
>
> David, who can forgive *anything* but Mawn-tree-all in place of the correct
> English pronunciation of Mun-tree-all.
while back there I was bilingue, n'est-ce pas? Mais, tant pis, I lived
on the West Island - the Mississauga of Quebec, and lost much of it. And
all I really remember from TV there were the old Dorion Suits ads with
Tony Perez ("At Dorion Suit, I get no assoles" eventually changed to "At
Dorion Suit, I get no.... problems") and the Place Tevere Steakhouse ads
with Dave Van Horne (I went to school with his son). And on radio, just
Ralph "The Birdman" Lockwood on CKGM and his "The Bar-B Barn, with it's
meaty and succulent Southern-style spareribs" radio ads. It's been a
long time. :)
C Lassiter
Netnom (net...@aol.com) wrote:
[]
: that celebs named above are mock-ppretentious. but i notice both of you
: (Barb and Robert) have 'normal' easily pronounceable names., therefore you
: have no idea how aggravating it is to go thru life *constantly* correcting
: people who not only mispronounce but often argue with you about your own
: friggin' name! therefore, after awhile, you do get a bit testy about it
: and your responses get a bit brusque, eh? and if you're a celeb this
: would happen a jillion times more often than it happens to folks like me
: and i go through this several times a week. get the picture?? i'd like
: to see how patient the 2 of you would be if you'd gone thru this all your
: life. i bet you'd be writing a frothing-at-the-mouth posting just like
: i am right now....
Thank you. A personal pet peeve! Try going by c.l.
"Seal?" "Ciel?" "Cecil?"
Thus, my e-name
Yolanda
pHd wrote:
>
> Let's not forget Dan Cortese (even though the rest of America has gladly
> forgotten about him).
>
> As an Italian, I have no tolerance for other Italians who refuse to
> pronounce their last names properly.
>
> Dan pronounces his last name as "core tez" (as if the name were Spanish,
> like "Cortez"). The proper pronunciation of his name is "core tay zee."
Well, as an Italian, you should know that the proper pronunciation is
"core tay zay." The pronunciation which you gave would be appropriate
if the name were spelled Cortesi.
But most names of foreign origin get anglicized in the U.S., doncha know?
Yolanda
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dark...@sky.net (darkstar) wrote:
>What I hate is when you have some German or French name to pronounce and
>you don't know if you should give it the German pron. or the Americanized
>or Anglicized one...do I say "von WEBBER" or "von VAYBER" and will you
>look pretentious if you pronounce it not-the-way-those-around you do.
>There are all these towns in the U.S. that have French names and it hurts
>me to murder them but if you don't you sound pretentious.
Really! Who in tarnation would forgo Boy-zee, Idaho to say "Bwah-zzz".
Part of correct, er, incorrect pronunciation is that it says where
you're from, not where your most venerable ancestors were from.
>What I hate
>worst are people that have to spit out their esophagi when saying "Bach"
>and can't just say "Bock" like they were brought up. I hope they strain
>something. :-)
That's why I hang out in world-class art galleries, trolling for people
who'll come up to me and say "Van Goccccchhhhhh". Bwahahahaha. (Okay, so
I'm easily amused.) As for people's names at a cocktail party, there is
no excuse for arguing with them once they've introduced themselves and
established the preferred pronunciation of their names.
Who am I to tell Paulette Williams her name isn't *really* pronounced
*en-toe-ZAK-kay SHONG-gay* (Ntozake Shange)?
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Bill
Marc Lostracco (ef...@interlog.com) wrote:
: > Demi Moore pronounces her first name in some pretentiously
: > different way than the spelling would indicate.
: ...as in, "Duh-MEE" with "Duh" being the operative word.
: --
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: ef...@interlog.com | Canada!' I said, 'Why? I *have*
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>
>
>
I gotta ask....
>
You know The Entertainer Formerly Known as the Squiggle Formerly
known as Prince?
How does he fit into this debate?
>
How did >he< pronounce the squiggle?
>
And when one must gossip about the squiggle, how should
it be pronounced?
>
>
Sincerely wonderin',
Bill
Bill
: Leading a bit astray...
: >
: >I find Chynna and Wynonna a bit annoying, but tolerable.
: >
: What's really bizarre is when you encounter someone named
: Tunacasserole, and you pronounce it the way it seems it
: should be pronounced, and she indignantly tells you: "NO,
: that's Too-NAY kuhSARA-LEE." Similarly, I did not know
: until a TJ MAXX clerk informed me that Orangeade is
: pronounced ohrANGuh-dee.
: >
: My point is, if you have a name that sounds like
: a household product, a deadly disease, or an
: extinct imaginary tribe, you shouldn't be so
: indignant when people have to STRUGGLE a bit.
: >
: Bill,
: Not meaning to offend the Charmanthraquetinas,
: Herbettiqueniccis, and Qu'f'anns of the world.
Sherrill C.J. Edwards
Although I flinch at calling him a celebrity (but he does do color
commentary for Fox or ESPN), Joe Theismann is another one who changed the
pronunciation of his name. His family pronounced it "Thees-man" but
supposedly when he was in college, he changed it to "Thighs-man" to rhyme
with "Heismann" (as in College Football player-of-the-year trophy). Talk
about your chutzpah....
ObGossip: I heard from a friend with connections that the year the
Washington Redskins were trounced in the Super Bowl, it was because the
front line got tired of Theismann acting like he single-handedly got them
there. They just sort of let the defensive rushers through the line to
drop Theismann a dozen or so times :-). Hey, most of them got Super Bowl
rings in other games and they got paid whether they won or lost, but they
would have gotten arrested if _they_ beat up Joe.
Back to lurking....
RFerrie
I always pronounced it "That Purple Idiot", myself.
David Migicovsky
In article <31ED18...@inforamp.net>, RFerrie <rfe...@inforamp.net> wrote:
>> C'mon. If you really lived in Montréal, you'd be familiar with Laverdiere's
>> (lah-verd-ee-ers) drug store, Aubuchon (o-bush-ons) hardware and Montpelier
>> (Mont-peel-yer) from television.
>>
>> David, who can forgive *anything* but Mawn-tree-all in place of the correct
>> English pronunciation of Mun-tree-all.
>> I guess I was there long enough to use the French pronunciations - for a
>while back there I was bilingue, n'est-ce pas? Mais, tant pis, I lived
Using French pronunciations in English is the surest way to show you're a
non-native.
If you ever said "de la Montagne" instead of Mountain Street (it was named after
a man named Mountain, not after Mount Royal) or Guee instead of Guy, everyone
would know you were, just, not one of us.
EvelynR
In article <4silo4$m...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
mgr...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes) writes:
>It is well known that YO YO MA pronounces his name:
>
> OY ! OY ! AM ! (ie as a Yiddish existentialist!! )
I though Yo Yo Ma is what Sylvester Stallone calls his mother.
Evelyn
Robert Matthews
> pHd wrote:
> >
> > Let's not forget Dan Cortese (even though the rest of America has gladly
> > forgotten about him).
> >
> > As an Italian, I have no tolerance for other Italians who refuse to
> > pronounce their last names properly.
> >
> > Dan pronounces his last name as "core tez" (as if the name were Spanish,
> > like "Cortez"). The proper pronunciation of his name is "core tay zee."
> > I have run into similar situations with many others whose names end in
> > "-ese." Why do so many Italians find the proper pronunciation of these
> > letters so unpleasant?
> >
> As a Canadian (who lived in Montreal) I am often rendered helpless with
> laughter at the pronunciation of French-heritage names by Americans. We
> were all weepy with laughter at the Olympics when Joan Benoit won the
> marathon. The US pronunciation was sort of phonetic - Ben-oyt, instead
> of Ben-wa as it was originally intended. Things like Delacroix
> ("Della-Croyks" instead of "Dela-crwa") and Chappelle ("Chapel" vs.
> "Sha-pelle"). <snicker>
It's a stitch, ain't it? My personal fave is Calais, Maine, where I
go at least eight or ten times a year (because even a small town like
Calais has the most enormous supermarket, with all kinds of interesting
stuff you just can't buy in Canada). It ought to be pronounced "cal-ay",
of course, but it's not; it's pronounced "callous" as in "cruel and
unfeeling", or possibly "callus", as in "that hard wad of skin on the sole
of your foot".
But, you know, Canadians do it too, or have done it in the past; in
Newfoundland there's a Baie D'Espoir, French for "Bay of Hope", and of
course it's pronounced Bay Despair.
I think the general rule is that if a mispronuciation is remotely
possibly within the bounds of an adoptive language, that mispronunciation
will become the standard, and anyone trying to pronounce it "correctly"
(according to the host language) will be screwing it up royally. Frankly,
it's a miracle that La Jolla, California, isn't pronounced "la jolla".
Robert Matthews
> What I hate is when you have some German or French name to pronounce and
> you don't know if you should give it the German pron. or the Americanized
> or Anglicized one...do I say "von WEBBER" or "von VAYBER" and will you
> look pretentious if you pronounce it not-the-way-those-around you do.
> There are all these towns in the U.S. that have French names and it hurts
> me to murder them but if you don't you sound pretentious. What I hate
> worst are people that have to spit out their esophagi when saying "Bach"
> and can't just say "Bock" like they were brought up. I hope they strain
> something. :-)
Actually, if you can bear my seeming to be *incredibly* pretentious
(but really just accurate), it would have to be either "von WEBBER" in
English, or "_fon_ VAYBER" in German, because they pronounce V as we
pronounce F, and W as we pronounce V. (Thus, Volkswagen is, approximately,
FOLKS-vah-gen. Not exactly, but it's close.)
We just had a big discussion about this on a non-gossip (and also
non-linguistic and non-pretentious) mailing list I'm on. Is Copenhagen
"ko-pen-HAY-gen" or "KER-bn-HOWN"? (Never, ever say "ko-pen-HAH-gen", by
the way, because evidently that sounds, to Danes, like the pronunciation
of the hated Germans during occupation.) Handel; is he "handle", or is he
"hendle", as the Germans would say? And the absolute worst: Van Gogh.
Shall we say, as we generally do in English, "van GO", or shall we take a
stab at the correct pronunciation and say "van GOCH"?
The outcome was, tough shit, you're on your own; you can say it as
native speakers of your language would expect you to, and sound like a
rube to those from whose language the name descends, or you can say it
with the original pronunciation intact and sound like an unbearably
pretentious snob to those born into your native tongue--and worse, run the
risk of having people not understand you ("Van *what*?").
As for your crack about people saying "Bock" like they were brought
up, what if they were brought up pronouncing it with the
esophagus-spitting gutteral "-ch", as I was? I mean, I see your point, but
that's what comes from having a language and a culture derived from so
many foreign languages and cultures. Usually I try to figure out what's
going to make me most clearly understood, and go with that.
Melody Clark
-=JR=- wrote:
> >Yeah, well, nothing is quite so funny to we southwestern Amurkins as a
> >Quebecois trying to pronounce the names of Tejana musical artists. :-)
>
> Wha?!?!?!?
>
> You don't like people who ask directions to Tejohn Street in La Juhn-ta?
> What about the ones who want to see Ten-ope-ah? Or Mex-ah, Texas?
I think my personal favorites are people who ask for directions to the
Lah Canahduh highway, Moe-jay-v and Mess-kwyt. Ah, and when the want to
see the California missions! <G>
Robert Matthews
> In article <4sgola$m...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> net...@aol.com (Netnom) writes:
> >Not sure which of you wrote the above, so i'll credit both! i agree
> >that celebs named above are mock-ppretentious. but i notice both of you
> >(Barb and Robert) have 'normal' easily pronounceable names., therefore you
> >have no idea how aggravating it is to go thru life *constantly* correcting
> >people who not only mispronounce but often argue with you about your own
> >friggin' name!
>
> Well, actually I do. I went through the first 20 years of my life
> with a truly horrendous, unpronounceable name, which I shall
> certainly not reveal here.
Say, Barb, you're not of Ukrainian parentage from Winnipeg, are you?
Because your story describes someone I know who fits your (admittedly
brief) description above--grew up with difficult name, got married and
took her husband's short, simple, can't-get-that-one-wrong name with
relief, divorced three years later but kept her husband's name.
Anyway, netnom, how do you know if Barb and I have led lives of
constantly correcting people? Like Barb, I went through the first
twenty-one years of *my* life with a name which, while common enough in my
native Newfoundland (which also gets mispronounced all the time, come to
think of it), was consistently misspelled and mispronounced. So I changed
it. Not only for that reason, mind you, but I figured taking something
simpler--my mother's maiden name, if you must know, which I had at least
as much claim to as my father's name--would make my life easier.
> > therefore, after awhile, you do get a bit testy about it
> >and your responses get a bit brusque, eh? and if you're a celeb this
> >would happen a jillion times more often than it happens to folks like me
> >and i go through this several times a week. get the picture?? i'd like
> >to see how patient the 2 of you would be if you'd gone thru this all your
> >life. i bet you'd be writing a frothing-at-the-mouth posting just like
> >i am right now....
>
> Or we'd change our names. %^)
And I did change my name, to something more manageable, and yet still
it gets misspelled. (Mathews is the most popular fuck-up, and I've
actually had Mathuse, believe it or not. And I've been called Mathers and
Mayhew, too.) No, it hasn't happened zillions of times, and sure, a
celebrity might get a bit testy over time. But haven't they ever heard of
noblesse oblige? One of the prices of fame is, or used to be, putting on a
nice face when out in public, and dammit, they have a responsibility to
their fans to be gracious. How I miss the days of the Joan Crawford-style
star, who never appeared in public without looking like a star and ready
to sign as many autographs as it takes to keep her fans happy.
(And here's a great story of the way things used to be--not gossip,
but still. The American mezzo-soprano Marie Powers made a habit of touring
small towns to popularize opera. One night, exhausted after a long day,
she left the theatre to discover a crowd of opera lovers wanting
signatures. What she wanted more than anything was just to go back to her
hotel, but she knew she couldn't simply discard her fans. So, assuming her
grandest diva manner, she announced, "I'll sign *three*!" and proceeded to
sign the programs of the three people closest to her. Then she swept away
majestically, with one of the throng saying admiringly, "Now *that* is an
opera singer!")
And for the record, Newfoundland is pronounced new-fnd-LAND, thank
you very kindly. Not NOO-fn-lnd, not new-FOUND-lnd. Get it right, should
you ever have occasion to say it.
-=JR=-
In article <31EBD7...@qnet.com>, mel...@qnet.com says...
>
>RFerrie wrote:
>
>> As a Canadian (who lived in Montreal) I am often rendered helpless with
>> laughter at the pronunciation of French-heritage names by Americans. We
>> were all weepy with laughter at the Olympics when Joan Benoit won the
>> marathon. The US pronunciation was sort of phonetic - Ben-oyt, instead
>> of Ben-wa as it was originally intended. Things like Delacroix
>> ("Della-Croyks" instead of "Dela-crwa") and Chappelle ("Chapel" vs.
>> "Sha-pelle"). <snicker>
>
>
Netnom
++From: pis...@ccnet.com (Chris Pisarra)
Netnom presented to the world:
: i know this is merely another of our threads to diss celebs, but
speaking
: as someone with an unusual name, who in the course of my life has had
: literally *hundreds* of people tell me that they know better than i do
how
: to pronounce *my* name, i defend the right of a person to pronounce
their
: own name any mother-freakin' way they want to! and anyone who tells
: someone they are mispronouncing their own name is a bigger idiot than
Rush
: Limbaugh.
++God forbid that I should ever be a bigger idiot than
++Rush, so I'll just ask: How do you pronounce "Iane"?
"EE-anne". thanks for asking, chris!
Absolut Queer
jro...@ridgecrest.ca.us (-=JR=-) wrote:
>Wha?!?!?!?
Yous just ain't heard nuthing yit!
Listen to anyone attempt to pronouce Maori names (thats Mouri, not
Mawri), most NZers can get it about right (ok, North Islanders, the
South Islanders are all interbred Middle class POmmy whining bastards
and don't count) but anyone-even Australians can be fooled and make a
hash (or more like a full cooked breakfast of it).
Try these
Rongopoi (winemakers, fantastic wines, esp the reds)
Te Kawhata
Pukekohe
We invite Americans here just to hear them talk!
JAne
Absolut Queer
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Karen M Frederickson
>RFerrie <rfe...@inforamp.net> writes:
>
>>As a Canadian (who lived in Montreal) I am often rendered helpless with
>>laughter at the pronunciation of French-heritage names by Americans. We
>>were all weepy with laughter at the Olympics when Joan Benoit won the
>>marathon. The US pronunciation was sort of phonetic - Ben-oyt, instead
>>of Ben-wa as it was originally intended. Things like Delacroix
>
Well, we're just followng in famous footsteps (if countries have
footsteps): the English pronounce Beaulieu "Bewley", Beauchamp is
"Beecham", etc., and there's fill-et steak, and so on. Not having a very
large native French-speaking population in a country _does_ tend to make a
difference.
Karen
Annie
Karen M Frederickson wrote:
<RFerrie's segment snipped>
> footsteps): the English pronounce Beaulieu "Bewley", Beauchamp is
> "Beecham", etc., and there's fill-et steak, and so on.
Actually, Karen, a lot of the British mispronunciations of French words
stems from their long-held, intense hatred of anything and everything
French, except of course for whores, clothes, wine and chocolate...
Annie
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"Sherrill C.J. Edwards" <sedw...@mitretek.org> wrote:
>Although I flinch at calling him a celebrity (but he does do color
>commentary for Fox or ESPN), Joe Theismann is another one who changed the
>pronunciation of his name. His family pronounced it "Thees-man" but
>supposedly when he was in college, he changed it to "Thighs-man" to rhyme
>with "Heismann" (as in College Football player-of-the-year trophy). Talk
>about your chutzpah....
Interesting if true, but I went to college with his sister, and she
pronounced it "Thighs-Man," too. Perhaps he coerced his entire family
into going along with the new pronunciation?
Robert Matthews
In article <31ed0495.7934759@news>, al...@skypoint.com (Alan Moorman) wrote:
>
> > I mean, if you don't get own your own name and its pronunciation,
> >then what exactly do you own?
> >
> >Robert Matthews (pronounced as you'd expect)
> >
> Ah... you mean: Ro-BAIR Mat-EWS
>
> Is that it?
No, it's a little closer to "Throatwobbler Mangrove", actually. Nice
try, though.
EvelynR
In article <4sgola$m...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, net...@aol.com (Netnom)
writes:
[Barb & Robert's posts snipped]
>Not sure which of you wrote the above, so i'll credit both! i agree
>that celebs named above are mock-ppretentious. but i notice both of you
>(Barb and Robert) have 'normal' easily pronounceable names., therefore
you
>have no idea how aggravating it is to go thru life *constantly*
correcting
>people who not only mispronounce but often argue with you about your own
>friggin' name! therefore, after awhile, you do get a bit testy about it
>and your responses get a bit brusque, eh? and if you're a celeb this
>would happen a jillion times more often than it happens to folks like me
>and i go through this several times a week. get the picture?? i'd like
>to see how patient the 2 of you would be if you'd gone thru this all your
>life. i bet you'd be writing a frothing-at-the-mouth posting just like
>i am right now....
>
>
>Iane Morgan
ok, I can't stand the suspense any longer...how *do* you pronounce your
name?
And speaking of American mispronunciation of French names, when I lived in
Missouri I was appalled to learn that Versailles, MO is pronounced
"Ver-SALES". Mon dieu.
Craig Smith
med...@io.org wrote:
> Really! Who in tarnation would forgo Boy-zee, Idaho to say "Bwah-zzz".
> Part of correct, er, incorrect pronunciation is that it says where
> you're from, not where your most venerable ancestors were from.
My understanding is that it is correctly pronounced "boy-see," not
"-zee."
Craig
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Robert Matthews wrote:
> Actually, if you can bear my seeming to be *incredibly* pretentious
> (but really just accurate), it would have to be either "von WEBBER" in
> English, or "_fon_ VAYBER" in German, because they pronounce V as we
> pronounce F, and W as we pronounce V. (Thus, Volkswagen is, approximately,
> FOLKS-vah-gen. Not exactly, but it's close.)<snips>
> "hendle", as the Germans would say? And the absolute worst: Van Gogh.
> Shall we say, as we generally do in English, "van GO", or shall we take a
> stab at the correct pronunciation and say "van GOCH"?
>
> The outcome was, tough shit, you're on your own; you can say it as
> native speakers of your language would expect you to, and sound like a
> rube to those from whose language the name descends, or you can say it
> with the original pronunciation intact and sound like an unbearably
> pretentious snob to those born into your native tongue--and worse, run the
> risk of having people not understand you ("Van *what*?").
Then again, nearly everyone says Gur-tuh for Goethe and Gur-dell for
Godel, except for the first time in college, at which point they are
corrected and then remember *never* to make *that* mistake again.
Melody...who always called Jung at Heart
*NaNcY*
On 17 Jul 1996 03:49:45 GMT, bbal...@lys.vnet.net (Bill) wrote:
>
>I gotta ask....
>>
>You know The Entertainer Formerly Known as the Squiggle Formerly
> known as Prince?
>How does he fit into this debate?
>>
>How did >he< pronounce the squiggle?
>>
>And when one must gossip about the squiggle, how should
> it be pronounced?
He is always called The Artist Formerly Know As Prince (TAFKAP) and the
squiggly seems to be ignored by everyone. It seems so silly to not just go
by Prince since TAFKAP really is just a way to reinforce that his name was
and really still is just Prince!
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ka...@delphi.com
RFerrie <rfe...@inforamp.net> writes:
>As a Canadian (who lived in Montreal) I am often rendered helpless with
>laughter at the pronunciation of French-heritage names by Americans. We
>were all weepy with laughter at the Olympics when Joan Benoit won the
>marathon. The US pronunciation was sort of phonetic - Ben-oyt, instead
>of Ben-wa as it was originally intended. Things like Delacroix
Hey - down here DuBois IS pronounced Doo-boys (even by people
who are named DuBois)
.
Well, the DuBois es I know, anyway.
.
kassa
Annie
> David, off to catch some zeds.David, I've wondered about this, since Mike Myers said it in a 'Wayne's
World' sketch:
do the British call them, Zed Zed Top?
Rofl,
Annie
Ps, but seriously folks, I love the British. Anyone know when the
Trouping of the Colour is? (I know I spelled something wrong in there)
Annie
John Sullivan wrote:
> I grew up on Brys drive (pronounced Br-eyes), just down the block
> from Goethe (pronounced Goe - thee) and very near to Charlevoix
> (pronounced Shar-le-voy). Imagine my shock during my french class in
> high school and german in collegeHere, let me share some of the mangled foreign words available here in
Ohio:
Versailles - ver-sales
Russia - roo-shee
Thruston - thirst-un or throo-stun
Italian - eye-talyan (this is my father's personal favorite word)
Greenwich - green-witch
I can't think of any more, unfortunately. But there are plenty...
Annie
PS, they also pronounce "washington" - "warshington"
David Migicovsky
In article <31EEA8...@dnaco.net>, Annie <shi...@dnaco.net> wrote:
>Karen M Frederickson wrote:
>> Well, we're just followng in famous footsteps (if countries have
>> footsteps): the English pronounce Beaulieu "Bewley", Beauchamp is
>> "Beecham", etc., and there's fill-et steak, and so on.
>
>Actually, Karen, a lot of the British mispronunciations of French words
>stems from their long-held, intense hatred of anything and everything
>French, except of course for whores, clothes, wine and chocolate...
>
>Annie
>--
I thought whores, clothes, wine and chocolate *were* everything French.
David, figuring someone had to say it.
*NaNcY*
On Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:53:39 -0700, Melody Clark <mel...@qnet.com> wrote:
>RFerrie wrote:
>
>> As a Canadian (who lived in Montreal) I am often rendered helpless with
>> laughter at the pronunciation of French-heritage names by Americans. We
>> were all weepy with laughter at the Olympics when Joan Benoit won the
>> marathon. The US pronunciation was sort of phonetic - Ben-oyt, instead
>> of Ben-wa as it was originally intended. Things like Delacroix
>> ("Della-Croyks" instead of "Dela-crwa") and Chappelle ("Chapel" vs.
>> "Sha-pelle"). <snicker>
>
>
>Yeah, well, nothing is quite so funny to we southwestern Amurkins as a
>Quebecois trying to pronounce the names of Tejana musical artists. :-)
Gads.....just hearing how the celebs who fly into NM to stay in their "a
few million $$$ holiday" homes in Santa Fe or Taos for Labor Day, massacre
street names or people's names in New Mexico is enough to make this
Southwestern cringe.....actually both these facts is what drove me to the
lurid world of ASG.....that and my continued adoration of Juan
Bootsie....Bootsie baby come back. I know you are off with that Hoey Joey
(whom I'll never forgive for his abuse to my ASG pussy)!
EvelynR
In article <jimbob-1707...@ts4-sj-17.mis.ca>, jim...@mis.ca
(Robert Matthews) writes:
[darkstar's funny post about esophagus bursting foreign words snipped]
[more snipping]
> We just had a big discussion about this on a non-gossip (and also
>non-linguistic and non-pretentious) mailing list I'm on. Is Copenhagen
>"ko-pen-HAY-gen" or "KER-bn-HOWN"? (Never, ever say "ko-pen-HAH-gen", by
>the way, because evidently that sounds, to Danes, like the pronunciation
>of the hated Germans during occupation.) Handel; is he "handle", or is he
>"hendle", as the Germans would say? And the absolute worst: Van Gogh.
>Shall we say, as we generally do in English, "van GO", or shall we take a
>stab at the correct pronunciation and say "van GOCH"?
>
> The outcome was, tough shit, you're on your own; you can say it as
>native speakers of your language would expect you to, and sound like a
>rube to those from whose language the name descends, or you can say it
>with the original pronunciation intact and sound like an unbearably
>pretentious snob to those born into your native tongue--and worse, run
the
>risk of having people not understand you ("Van *what*?").
I used to work with a pretentious snob who always made a point of
pronouncing "Nicaragua" the way Spanish speakers do. He liked to regale us
with stories of his many trips there, telling us he spent all his time
hanging out with the natives -- making friends with everyone from barefoot
peasants to gun-toting Sandinistas. One day we went to a Mexican
restaurant for lunch, where he ordered arroz con pollo -- pronouncing it
with a very Spanish-sounding flair. The waiter immediately launched into
an enthusiastic, rapid-fire monologue in Spanish, at the end of which he
looked at Mr. Pretentious questioningly. Mr. Pretentious blushed, stared
at his shoes & mumbled "...er...I...um..actually don't speak Spanish.
Sorry." Hee hee. He shut up about Nicaragua after that.
Evelyn
Yet Another Steve
In article <barbDuM...@netcom.com>, ba...@netcom.com (Barbara MacRae) wrote:
> jim...@mis.ca (Robert Matthews) writes:
> > I mean, if you don't get own your own name and its pronunciation,
> >then what exactly do you own?
>
> Sure. No argument there. But throwing temper tantrums about it when
> someone mispronounces your name? I'm not suggesting that anyone
> *has to* change the spelling of their name, or simply accept the
> mispronunciations. But it is possible to correct people in such
> a way that it does not leave them with the feeling that you are
> a pretentious, affected boob. Apparently this is not a skill
> that the Demi/D'Mee and the Ralph/Rafe and the baSINGERs of the
> world have yet perfected.
>
> -Barb/B'Aaaaarbh
There's a chunk of The-LA-Area called "Simi Valley" which most everyone
pronounces "Seamy Valley" except for a few desperately pretentious
folks who live there and doggedly go around saying "Si-MEE! Si-MEE"
(rhymes with D'MEE).
They will often correct others' pronunciation of this, usually not
tactfully, and the response is almost always either a polite snicker
or a great big belly laugh. Must be hard for them, poor souls.
Steve
who really likes "B'Aaaaarbh" and envisions this person in a brass bra,
with sword and '70s-Cher-style gold helmet
C Neilson
Annie <shi...@dnaco.net> wrote:
>Rofl,
>Annie
Um...yes, we do. Zed Zed Top....yup.
The Trooping of the Colour - its' schedule is pretty unpredictable. Sometimes,
every month. Sometimes, just once a year. (Seriously) You can write to Press
Office of Buckingham Palace and ask. If you're patient, you will get the reply.
Even if you wrote a dirty letter, you'll get "On Her Majesty's behalf, we'd like
to thank you for your lovely letter."
They are good in answering questions, though. Once my friend wrote asking about
the Queen's corgis' pregancy, and she receieved the reply along with a photo of
a fat dog panting with its tongue hanging over the Queen's legs.
Zorak
Years and years and years ago when I went to school in London, on the
recommendation of some of my English friends I sent a letter to
Buckingham Palace inviting the Queen to tea. (They said I'd get some
kind of letter back. Quite a nice memento, I was told.)
A few weeks later, I received a typewritten note on Palace stationery
(*not* a form letter) from one of the Queen's ladies-in-waiting saying
that the Queen appreciates the invitation but unfortunately cannot
accept.
A lovely letter, and oh, so polite.
- Kathy, ASGTPR #79
David Migicovsky
In article <barbDus...@netcom.com>, ba...@netcom.com (Barbara MacRae) wrote:
>In article <Steve_Hoffmann-...@shoffman.sdd.trw.com>
> Steve_H...@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM (Yet Another Steve) writes:
>>
>>Steve
>>who really likes "B'Aaaaarbh" and envisions this person in a brass bra,
>>with sword and '70s-Cher-style gold helmet
>
>trying not to spill Triscuit crumbs down the bra.
>
>-Barb
>
Brie? Triscuit? Hon, this is a trailer park. Don't you mean spray-can cheez and
Ritz?
-=JR=-
In article <4sdh8n$b...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, dbj...@ix.netcom.com
says...
>How about the actress that played the mom on the Waltons?
>
>Isn't it Michael Learned (sorry about the spelling)? I think it was
supposed
>to be pronouced some weird way. I never got the story straight on that one.
>
>Help, any knowledgeable a.s.g.'ers, gimme an answer please!!
She pronounces her last name Learn-ed.
-=JR=-
Sherrill C.J. Edwards
Robert Matthews wrote:
> I think the general rule is that if a mispronuciation is remotely
> possibly within the bounds of an adoptive language, that mispronunciation
> will become the standard, and anyone trying to pronounce it "correctly"
> (according to the host language) will be screwing it up royally. Frankly,
> it's a miracle that La Jolla, California, isn't pronounced "la jolla".
>
> Robert Matthews
> --
Funny thing, it is sometimes. We have friends that were transferred to
California. She was from Mississippi. She was looking at the map while they were
out driving one day and told her more traveled husband to take the exit for "Lah
Jallah" (with a southern accent, no less).
Sherrill (pronounced like Cheryl, but spelled phonetically) Edwards
ka...@delphi.com
Jean Lyles <jea...@nando.net> writes:
>>> example: Leicester (in the uk) is pronounced 'lester'
>>> Derby is pronounced 'darby'
>
>>> so, let's just stick to American speech patterns.
>
>In rural western North Carolina there is a "Leicester", and to the
>consternation of all who were there and growing up in Asheville
>in the '50's, the wonder of it all :D. It was pronounced "Lester"
>We were confused and proud.
.
I'm from the great Commonwealth of Massachusetts, where Donner is
a girl's name, and Donna is a reindeer.
.
And it's fun to listen to new weathermen say "Cochituate" and
"Masconomet".
.
kassa
-=JR=-
In article <pxDvm-...@delphi.com>, ka...@delphi.com says...
>I'm from the great Commonwealth of Massachusetts, where Donner is
>a girl's name, and Donna is a reindeer.
>.
>And it's fun to listen to new weathermen say "Cochituate" and
>"Masconomet".
A few years ago a local radio station auditioned several News Gals.
One rode in the 'Copter to report a traffic tie-up and announced
that she was over "Flaming Oh Road" . . . After that mispronouncing
of "Flamingo", the station was bomnarded with calls demanding that she
be hired!
-=JR=-
Who may have told this tale before
C Neilson
How do Tea of THE NAKED TRUTH do her name?
Tee or T'lea?
Catya (a curious film bore)
xx
Dezbot
"KER-bn-HOWN"?<< when i was there, i was told by my Danish pals to say
KOO-bn-HOWN. and, no, miscellaneous Danes didn't fall down laughing when
i said it that way, either (but for some of the other things i
did...well...herring roe fight anyone?) heh heh
--désirée (who long ago got tired of being called "dez-a-reeee,"
although, if you go by both accents in my name, i'd be "daisy-ray."
yecccch!)
asgtpr #60
stop by for free dezfroprez bumper stickers! =)
"and you will know my name is the Lord when i lay my vengeance upon
thee!"--Jules in _Pulp Fiction_
a pistol-hot cup of Dez....
Debbie E. McGhee
On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Annie wrote:
> Ohio:
> Versailles - ver-sales
> Russia - roo-shee
> Thruston - thirst-un or throo-stun
> Italian - eye-talyan (this is my father's personal favorite word)
> Greenwich - green-witch
>
> I can't think of any more, unfortunately. But there are plenty...
>
> Annie
> PS, they also pronounce "washington" - "warshington"
HOLD ON! Please don't say things like "they" pronounce this and that this
and that way. I am from Ohio (Columbus) and have a lot of friends and
family spread all over the state. The range of dialects in that
state is quite large. "WaRshington", for example, is distinctly regional.
Moreover, *I've* never heard *anyone* say "roo-shee", so obviously your
generalization is a bit unwarranted.
OTOH, the pronunciations of Gallipolis and Bellefontaine (Bellfountain)
always mystified me as a kid.
DEM
Zorak
ka...@delphi.com wrote:
>
> Jean Lyles <jea...@nando.net> writes:
>
> >>> example: Leicester (in the uk) is pronounced 'lester'
> >>> Derby is pronounced 'darby'
> >
> >>> so, let's just stick to American speech patterns.
> >
> >In rural western North Carolina there is a "Leicester", and to the
> >consternation of all who were there and growing up in Asheville
> >in the '50's, the wonder of it all :D. It was pronounced "Lester"
> >We were confused and proud.
>
> .
> a girl's name, and Donna is a reindeer.
> .
> And it's fun to listen to new weathermen say "Cochituate" and
> "Masconomet".
> kassa
As well as such deceivingly simple names such as:
Quincy: for some reason the locals pronounce it "Quinzy"
Waltham: pronounced Wal-tham, with the accent on the last syllable
Leominster: pronounced Leh-minster
- Kathy, ASGTPR #79, who chose to live in Boston because it was easy to
pronounce
-vince-
dez...@aol.com (Dezbot) wrote:
>In article <jimbob-1707...@ts4-sj-17.mis.ca>, jim...@mis.ca
>(Robert Matthews) writes: >>Is Copenhagen "ko-pen-HAY-gen" or
>"KER-bn-HOWN"?<< when i was there, i was told by my Danish pals to say
>KOO-bn-HOWN. and, no, miscellaneous Danes didn't fall down laughing when
>i said it that way, either (but for some of the other things i
>did...well...herring roe fight anyone?) heh heh
>--désirée (who long ago got tired of being called "dez-a-reeee,"
>although, if you go by both accents in my name, i'd be "daisy-ray."
Wow, that reminds me of something I'd tried to forget. If you can find
an old Sonny & Cher LP, early in her career Cher was spelling her name
Chér!! Which is nearly unpronounceable -- it works out to something
like Shayr. I love it when people stick any old accent over any old
letter just to make it look more Frenchie.
-vince-
ooh la la
Barbara MacRae
In article <4snr4s$t...@news.interlog.com> dmigicov@_interlog.com (David Migicovsky) writes:
>In article <barbDus...@netcom.com>, ba...@netcom.com (Barbara MacRae) wrote:
>>Sure, but this is me. I'd be, like, cutting brie with the sword, and
>>trying not to spill Triscuit crumbs down the bra.
>>
>Ritz?
I thought brie on triscuits WAS trailer trash food. Well, if it makes
it any better, for my main course I ate Frito pie...
-Barb
Marc Lostracco
In article <31EFA7...@mitretek.org>, "Sherrill C.J. Edwards"
<sedw...@mitretek.org> wrote:
> Funny thing, it is sometimes. We have friends that were transferred to
> California. She was from Mississippi. She was looking at the map while
they were
> out driving one day and told her more traveled husband to take the exit
for "Lah
> Jallah" (with a southern accent, no less).
In order to prevent any future embarrassment, how exactly does one
pronounce "La Jolla" if it's not pronounced "la jolla"? What does it mean
anyway?
--
Marc Lostracco | "A friend of mine said, 'Try AOL
ef...@interlog.com | Canada!' I said, 'Why? I *have*
www.interlog.com/~efar | a computer.'"
Toronto, Canada | - AOL television spot
-=JR=-
In article <4sfqp8$b...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
spi...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu says...
>
>In article <4sf8fk$o...@news-e2b.gnn.com>, S. Tanksley <Tank...@gnn.com>
wrote:
>>
>>Eric Newman wrote:
>>
>>>And Wynonna Judd--seems to me that should rhyme with "Donna," but
>>>she apparently insists on being called "Winona," as in "Winona
>>>Ryder."
>>>
>>>What's the deal with these people?
>>
>>Wynonna was born Christina Ciminella. She was given the name
>>Wynonna by some member of another country group shortly before The
>>Judds became a household name. She was supposedly named after a
>>town (but not Winona, Mississippi).
>
>But it's even *more* fabulous than any of you seem to realize!
>She =doesn't= pronounce it "Winona" as in "Winona Ryder," but
>rather Why-*know*-nah, and preferably with an exclamation point
>at the end, like _Oklahoma!_ to signify down-home enthusiasm.
It is from the song lyrics:
"Flagstaff Arizona,
and don't forger Wyn-*known*-ah!"
-=JR=-
-=JR=-
In article <efar-16079...@efar.interlog.com>, ef...@interlog.com
says...
>
>In article <4sdslr$b...@news1.panix.com>, sm...@panix.com (Smoot) wrote:
>
>> Demi Moore pronounces her first name in some pretentiously
>> different way than the spelling would indicate.
>
>...as in, "Duh-MEE" with "Duh" being the operative word.
Sheesh, did you see her at the Olympics last night?
Can't she even afford a blouse that fits?
-=JR=-
Lusting after the "Ghenges Khan"(sp) flag bearer from Mongolia!
-=JR=-
In article <efar-20079...@efar.interlog.com>, ef...@interlog.com
says...
>
>In article <31EFA7...@mitretek.org>, "Sherrill C.J. Edwards"
><sedw...@mitretek.org> wrote:
>
>> Funny thing, it is sometimes. We have friends that were transferred to
>> California. She was from Mississippi. She was looking at the map while
>they were
>> out driving one day and told her more traveled husband to take the exit
>for "Lah
>> Jallah" (with a southern accent, no less).
>
>In order to prevent any future embarrassment, how exactly does one
>pronounce "La Jolla" if it's not pronounced "la jolla"? What does it mean
>anyway?
La Holla (like the red-neck way to shout)
Read this!!
> >how exactly does one
> >pronounce "La Jolla" if it's not pronounced "la jolla"? What does it mean
> >anyway?
It's actually Lah Hoya. it's spanish and means "the jewel"
Annie
Legs Akimbo
ja...@ihug.co.nz (Absolut Queer) wrote:
>We invite Americans here just to hear them talk!
>JAne
>Absolut Queer
How nice of you to invite us all! I'm on my way to the airport now.
Legs Akimbo
(can we visit Lucy Lawless while I'm there?)
Lee Weiser
In article <efar-20079...@efar.interlog.com> ef...@interlog.com (Marc Lostracco) writes:
>From: ef...@interlog.com (Marc Lostracco)
>Subject: Re: Celebrities who pronounce their names wrong
>Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 10:59:42 -0500
<Sherrill's post snipped>
>In order to prevent any future embarrassment, how exactly does one
>pronounce "La Jolla" if it's not pronounced "la jolla"? What does it mean
>anyway?
It's pronounced "La hoy ya". Forgot what it means. But I'm sure someone here
would pro'lly know.
--Lee
Read this!!
EvelynR wrote:
<pronunciation of foreign words and Mr. Pretentious SNipped because of
this g*d#%^#d server>
One person who now goes by the official title of Mr. Pretentious (in my
house at least) is Alex Trebek. Watch Jeopardy! some night and I
guarantee you will hear Alex pronounce several foreign words IN THEIR
CORRECT ACCENT!!! I have no idea why, but it really pisses off me and my
family.
Annie
David Migicovsky
In article <4sj2j1$j...@hettar.cv.com>, da...@suzuki.cv.com wrote:
>
>As a Canadian (who lived in Montreal), Maybe you could shed some light
>on how that Canadien goalie managed to get a two-syllable word out
>of ROY
>
>Dave
What two syllables did he get out of it? Roy is pronounced "rrrwuh"
*NaNcY*
Spanish words all sound like they are spelled, but the sounds for letters
are different than English in some cases. Js and Gs sound like English Hs
& double ls sound like English ys. We have a La Jolla in New Mexico as
well, and according to my "New Mexico Place Names Geogrphical Dictionary",
La Jolla is a mispelling of La Joya which means jewel or ornament.
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Dezbot
In article <31EEE5...@qnet.com>, Melody Clark <mel...@qnet.com>
writes:
>Then again, I had an editor named Smee
she was named after Capt. Hook's first mate? cooool..... ;)