Steven Seagal gets ass kicked - By own stuntman! News at 11.
kevi...@utoronto.ca
I keep hearing this persistent rumour that Steven Seagal often gets into
fights with stuntmen (off-camera, of course) from his movies.
Apparently, as one story goes, he finally met his match when he got a
serious beating at the hands of one of these fellas, who was immediately
fired from the movie. My question is two-fold: First, can anybody
confirm this or similar "sensei"-gets-his-ego-maniac-ass- beat stories,
and if so, is there footage available? I know I'd pay for this tape!
(Flame-retardant message: I respect Steven Seagal's martial arts skills
- I just don't respect his hypocrisy and dubious behaviour in other
areas, particularly his mockery of buddhist philosophy and his
exploitation of it to promote himself).
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> I keep hearing this persistent rumour that Steven Seagal often gets into
> fights with stuntmen (off-camera, of course) from his movies.
> Apparently, as one story goes, he finally met his match when he got a
> serious beating at the hands of one of these fellas, who was immediately
> fired from the movie.
Uh - it happened only once, and, he wasn't beaten, he was choked out ---
BY GENE LABELL. Find someone who Wouldn't have been choked out by Gene....
Pete R.
This is simply a rumor based on mistelling of a non-event. Seagal
claimed to be able to get out of any hold, and Lebell offered to slap
one on him. He of course slapped on a "sleeper" hold, or rear naked
choke, which is extremely difficult if not impossible to escape if it
is done well. Actually the notion that Seagal was walking around the
set boasting is probably nonsense as well, more likely they were just
discussing technique, Seagal was unable to get out of a hold that the
greatest martial artist on the planet would have a hard time getting
out of, and it went from "Seagal couldn't get out of a hold" to
"Seagal got his ass kicked" in short order. Typical rumor nonsense,
not worth what it cost you to hear it the first time. This happened
years ago anyway.
Your_real_name
kevi...@utoronto.ca wrote:
>I keep hearing this persistent rumour that Steven Seagal often gets into
>fights with stuntmen (off-camera, of course) from his movies.
>Apparently, as one story goes, he finally met his match when he got a
>serious beating at the hands of one of these fellas, who was immediately
>fired from the movie.
Kevin,
The stuntman's name was none other than Gene LeBell. Not only
did Gene get his back , after Seagal was choked out, he urinated
himself.
Seagal had hurt a couple of the stuntmen and Gene was like the head
stuntman for the set. Seagal had a friend with him and was apparently
boasting about it. Gene was within earshot and decided enough was
enough.
As Gene told me "Could I help it if he had just consumed a lot of
liquids"?
We had a seminar in Toronto on April 12 & 13 and Gene was asked about
this by a group of his fans at a dinner in his and Oleg Taktarov's
honor.
If you want to know more about Gene LeBell, you can visit his web page
at; www.grapplersweb.com
If you want to see some pictures from our seminar, you can view them
by visiting our homepage at: www.starblanket.com/~ey/
Later,
Kirk
Daniel Camarillo
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kevi...@utoronto.ca wrote:
> I keep hearing this persistent rumour that Steven Seagal often gets
> into
> fights with stuntmen (off-camera, of course) from his movies.
> Apparently, as one story goes, he finally met his match when he got
> a
> serious beating at the hands of one of these fellas, who was
> immediately
> fired from the movie. My question is two-fold: First, can anybody
> confirm this or similar "sensei"-gets-his-ego-maniac-ass- beat
> stories,
> and if so, is there footage available? I know I'd pay for this
> tape!
> (Flame-retardant message: I respect Steven Seagal's martial arts
> skills
> - I just don't respect his hypocrisy and dubious behaviour in other
> areas, particularly his mockery of buddhist philosophy and his
> exploitation of it to promote himself).
>
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It was Gene Lebell, but he got fired after he choked Segal completely
out. I don't blame him for doing this. I can't stand Segals attitude.
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<BR>Apparently, as one story goes, he finally met his match when he got a
<BR>serious beating at the hands of one of these fellas, who was immediately
<BR>fired from the movie. My question is two-fold: First, can anybody
<BR>confirm this or similar "sensei"-gets-his-ego-maniac-ass- beat stories,
<BR>and if so, is there footage available? I know I'd pay for this tape!
<BR>(Flame-retardant message: I respect Steven Seagal's martial arts
skills
<BR>- I just don't respect his hypocrisy and dubious behaviour in other
<BR>areas, particularly his mockery of buddhist philosophy and his
<BR>exploitation of it to promote himself).
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out. I don't blame him for doing this. I can't stand Segals
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Stephen Gilliard
Steven Seagal may be skilled in a martial art, but he's an idiot to
mess with stuntmen.
The fact is Seagal wants to play the role of CIA contract agent, but
talks too much. And while he may be able to play that role in the
movies, you have to wonder if a guy with so much Buddhist training
would be such an asshole when it comes to dealing with other people.
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gill...@interport.net (Stephen Gilliard) wrote:
I still think Steven Seagal is proof positive that acting talent is
unnecessary for success in Hollywood. The only reason to see his
films is to watch everyone else act circles around him
Ginny
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sprichard
Aiki1 wrote:
>
> In article <8620681...@dejanews.com>, kevi...@utoronto.ca wrote:
>
> > I keep hearing this persistent rumour that Steven Seagal often gets into
> > fights with stuntmen (off-camera, of course) from his movies.
> > Apparently, as one story goes, he finally met his match when he got a
> > serious beating at the hands of one of these fellas, who was immediately
> > fired from the movie.
>
> BY GENE LABELL. Find someone who Wouldn't have been choked out by Gene....
Beaten as by fists, maybe not. If choked out, he lost or in other words
was beaten.
JT
I don't know about this line about Seagal Sensei being choked out by
anyone, but if anything like that happened, it was because Seagal Sensei
was being nice to the guy; not doing "whatever it takes" to stop him.
When we talk about such a situation, gotta realize that it's a movie
set, not a RL confrontation, so there are things one just doesn't do -
breaks, locks and throws one just doesn't perform - especially with
people not trained in Aikido.
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ka...@delphi.com
Stephen Gilliard <gill...@interport.net> writes:
>Steven Seagal may be skilled in a martial art, but he's an idiot to
>mess with stuntmen.
>
>The fact is Seagal wants to play the role of CIA contract agent, but
>talks too much. And while he may be able to play that role in the
>movies, you have to wonder if a guy with so much Buddhist training
>would be such an asshole when it comes to dealing with other people.
I suppose it's like everything else. The really dangerous people
don't advertise how tough they are. I know Navy Seals who
could kill people in seconds, but they don't advertise it,
even if it IS their business. I suspect the folks that
complete contracts for the CIA are similar :)
.
kassa (thinking no self-respecting assassin would give Seagal
the time of day)
ka...@delphi.com
JT <falc...@radware.net> writes:
>I don't know about this line about Seagal Sensei being choked out by
>anyone, but if anything like that happened, it was because Seagal Sensei
>was being nice to the guy; not doing "whatever it takes" to stop him.
Well, it would be a first that he was nice to anybody.
,
kassa
Frank Ishizaki
JT wrote:
>
> I don't know about this line about Seagal Sensei being choked out by
> anyone, but if anything like that happened, it was because Seagal Sensei
> was being nice to the guy; not doing "whatever it takes" to stop him.
I take it you don't know who Gene Lebell is. He is the "guy" who did
this to Seagal.
> When we talk about such a situation, gotta realize that it's a movie
> set, not a RL confrontation, so there are things one just doesn't do -
> breaks, locks and throws one just doesn't perform - especially with
> people not trained in Aikido.
Again, I take it you don't know who Gene Lebell is.
> --
> John "Taylor" Yezeguielian
Happy training.
F
Dan
Frank Ishizaki writes:
> JT wrote:
> > When we talk about such a situation, gotta realize that it's a movie
> > set, not a RL confrontation, so there are things one just doesn't do -
> > breaks, locks and throws one just doesn't perform - especially with
> > people not trained in Aikido.
>
>
> Again, I take it you don't know who Gene Lebell is.
Yeah. There are things you just don't do on a movie set. And
there are things you just don't do to Gene Lebell.
All the Best,
Dan
John Loughlin
JT wrote:
>
> I don't know about this line about Seagal Sensei being choked out by
> anyone, but if anything like that happened, it was because Seagal Sensei
> was being nice to the guy; not doing "whatever it takes" to stop him.
> set, not a RL confrontation, so there are things one just doesn't do -
> breaks, locks and throws one just doesn't perform - especially with
> people not trained in Aikido.
Then again, maybe Seagal Suckshit couldn't move his fat fucking carcass
around fast enough to fight.
On a related note, I heard that when he was choked out, the stuntman
dropped him and he cut his head on a lightstand. He bled gravy.
JL
bo diddly
<<I don't know about this line about Seagal Sensei being choked out by
anyone, but if anything like that happened, it was because Seagal Sensei
was being nice to the guy; not doing "whatever it takes" to stop him.
John "Taylor" Yezeguielian>>
ok, first of all, calling him a sensei is essentially calling him a
teacher or a master. The years he 'studied' in Japan and the orient
have never been documented, and the 'teachers' that he studied with
have mysteriously *vanished* (read: never existed in the first
place). His claim in the Aikido world is pretty slim - however, the
movie audience eats it up. most of his credentials are shaky, and
the rest are very average.
<<When we talk about such a situation, gotta realize that it's a movie
set, not a RL confrontation, so there are things one just doesn't do -
breaks, locks and throws one just doesn't perform - especially with
people not trained in Aikido.>>
or, if they have not a fucking clue what they're doing and are stupid
enough to get into a headlock. Hello. even someone at a 2nd q level
could get out of a hold like that. If you are trained in aikido, you
wouldn't let yourself get into a situations like the one with the
Stunt dude, much less let him win. The whole premise of Aikido is
diffusion/disbursement of force. Laying down and letting someone get
a choke hold on you is not a part of that premise in any way.
Besides, he has really bad hair. Does he really think he's fooling
us by pulling his (puny) pony tail over his bald spot?
Carm
Warren Darragh
The things you don't do on a set is a two way street. There are things you
don't do
on a set that you wish you did when Judo Gene gets you. That is of course
if you he was willing and able.
JT <falc...@radware.net> wrote in article <3365FC...@radware.net>...
>
> I don't know about this line about Seagal Sensei being choked out by
> anyone, but if anything like that happened, it was because Seagal Sensei
> was being nice to the guy; not doing "whatever it takes" to stop him.
> When we talk about such a situation, gotta realize that it's a movie
> set, not a RL confrontation, so there are things one just doesn't do -
> breaks, locks and throws one just doesn't perform - especially with
> people not trained in Aikido.
Toni Nikkanen
John Loughlin <nos...@nospam.com> writes:
> JT wrote:
> >
> > I don't know about this line about Seagal Sensei being choked out by
> > anyone, but if anything like that happened, it was because Seagal Sensei
> > was being nice to the guy; not doing "whatever it takes" to stop him.
> > When we talk about such a situation, gotta realize that it's a movie
> > set, not a RL confrontation, so there are things one just doesn't do -
> > breaks, locks and throws one just doesn't perform - especially with
> > people not trained in Aikido.
>
> Then again, maybe Seagal Suckshit couldn't move his fat fucking carcass
> around fast enough to fight.
>
> On a related note, I heard that when he was choked out, the stuntman
> dropped him and he cut his head on a lightstand. He bled gravy.
Whatever the truth may be; why is it such a big deal that someone has
"lost" ONCE to someone? Nobody is completely undefeatable.
John Loughlin
The point is that lardass got his. He's a no talent asshole, who acts
like he's better than everyone, and somebody gave him what for. That's
the big deal.
And I'm sure he's had his ass kicked before.
JL
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Dan <dw...@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU> wrote in article
<E9F4C...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>...
> Frank Ishizaki writes:
> > JT wrote:
>
> > > When we talk about such a situation, gotta realize that it's a movie
> > > set, not a RL confrontation, so there are things one just doesn't do
-
> > > breaks, locks and throws one just doesn't perform - especially with
> > > people not trained in Aikido.
> >
> >
> > Again, I take it you don't know who Gene Lebell is.
>
> Yeah. There are things you just don't do on a movie set. And
> there are things you just don't do to Gene Lebell.
>
> All the Best,
> Dan
actually there are things you just *can't* do to Gene Labell.
Andrew
>
Paul Erickson
On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:43:35 -0700, John Loughlin <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote:
>Then again, maybe Seagal Suckshit couldn't move his fat fucking carcass
>around fast enough to fight.
>
>On a related note, I heard that when he was choked out, the stuntman
>dropped him and he cut his head on a lightstand. He bled gravy.
Jeez, don't know about the lightstand story, from the articles I read,
that after he wasnt pulling punches on the Out for Justice set and
popped a few stuntmen, after he did the kitchen scene with William
Forsyth and declared "I'm the toughest guy in the world"... Gene (who
was an advisor or stuntman on the film, can't remember) said, "You
really shouldn't be saying that, Steve" and Seagal asked him to
disprove it, and Gene choked him out twice. The part about him
wetting his pants the second time he was choked out, I don't know
about that part though.
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Paul Erickson
On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:43:35 -0700, John Loughlin <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote:
>Then again, maybe Seagal Suckshit couldn't move his fat fucking carcass
>around fast enough to fight.
And yeah, if you ever wanted to defeat him, easy, just make him chase
your ass up about 3 flights of stairs, he'll probably up and have a
heart attack. Geez the guy is out of shape. Take him out of his
element, make him move and get fatigued.
There's a reason he wears long sleeves, long pants, and all black
whenever he can. It's all pretty concealing.
Andrew Lord
Dan wrote:
>
> Frank Ishizaki writes:
> > JT wrote:
>
> > Again, I take it you don't know who Gene Lebell is.
>
> Yeah. There are things you just don't do on a movie set. And
> there are things you just don't do to Gene Lebell.
>
> All the Best,
> Dan
So does anyone have a blow by blow account of what happened?
Does Steve really go around beating up on people or does he just get
challenged a lot?
Rgds,
Andy L.
Paul Erickson
On Thu, 01 May 1997 13:37:57 +0100, Andrew Lord <al...@tertio.com>
wrote:
ppened?
>
>Does Steve really go around beating up on people or does he just get
>challenged a lot?
No, he just had a penchant for smacking stuntmen subordinate to him on
his movies, that's all.
JT
> >Does Steve really go around beating up on people or does he just get
> >challenged a lot?
I studied under him for years, and wouldn't call him "Steve." Since
when did you get so chummy-chummy? And if you are so close, why do you
need to ask such a question?
>
> No, he just had a penchant for smacking stuntmen subordinate to him on
> his movies, that's all.
> ________________________
> ____Paul R. Erickson____
Ah, Mr. Erickson, with another unqualified opinion, thank you for
sharing.
Seagal Sensei was jumped regularly while in Japan (this is not uncommon)
where they'd test his abilities. That he operated a successful dojo in
Japan is, in and of itself, quite a statement, a testimony to his
abilities. That one of his prime students, Matsuoka, who now runs the
US location, is born and raised Japanese, SHOULD tell you the rest, if
you think about it.
What do you naysayers (running off at the mouth without any real
knowledge) get out of trying to trash someone else? How come so many
are so eager to put Seagal Sensei down that they fabricate such
nonsense? Why not revel in his abilities, and hope to learn from them?
ka...@delphi.com
JT <falc...@radware.net> writes:
>> The point is that lardass got his. He's a no talent asshole, who acts
>> like he's better than everyone, and somebody gave him what for. That's
>> the big deal.
>>
>> And I'm sure he's had his ass kicked before.
>>
>You sure do spout alot of crap for someone with a "nos...@nospam.com"
>for an email addy. Would you care to tell me or my sensei that he's a
>no-talent lardass asshole to his face, or to mine? Didn't think so.
>
>Ain't it just grand how people run off at the mouth (in ignorance, I
>might add, as everything JL said is bull, though JL wouldn't have any
>idea, since all he knows about Seagal Sensei comes from the media,) like
>this, disrespectful of a legitimate 7th dan? JL, when you get to be a
.
Have no idea what a 7th dan is. Assume it's something good (in your
world, anyway). But people who know more about both him and
martial arts claim that there is no evidence that he has
attained the level of achievement that he claims for himself.
Since I don't know you from a hole in the wall, I'll take their
word for it.
.
The "fact" that he is an asshole is accepted gospel. There are
people in Hollywood who like Mike Ovitz. There are people in
Hollywood who like Joe Eszterhas. There is NOone in Hollywood
who likes Steven Seagal. Even Saturday night live had a
moment in a sketch where someone asked if he himself was the
biggest asshole (probably used a different word) to ever have
hosted the show. Lorne Michaels responded, on air "No, that
would be Steven Seagal."
.
Never heard a peep from the Seagal camp. Why? Because the
truth is a defense in libel.
.
kassa
JT
John Loughlin wrote:
>
> The point is that lardass got his. He's a no talent asshole, who acts
> like he's better than everyone, and somebody gave him what for. That's
> the big deal.
>
> And I'm sure he's had his ass kicked before.
>
> JL
You sure do spout alot of crap for someone with a "nos...@nospam.com"
for an email addy. Would you care to tell me or my sensei that he's a
no-talent lardass asshole to his face, or to mine? Didn't think so.
Ain't it just grand how people run off at the mouth (in ignorance, I
might add, as everything JL said is bull, though JL wouldn't have any
idea, since all he knows about Seagal Sensei comes from the media,) like
this, disrespectful of a legitimate 7th dan? JL, when you get to be a
pimple on his tail, let me know...
Robert Savage
I don't know much if anything about Segal's character, but if what you
speak of him is true, I'd presume that if he posted in an Internet
newsgroup that his post's would look much like yours.
robert...@earthlink.net
John Loughlin wrote in article <336797...@nospam.com>...
Richard Lancashire
Coldblood wrote:
> Dan wrote
>> there are things you just don't do to Gene Lebell.
Yeah, OK, I was drunk and it was too dark to make him out, I thought he
said his name was "Jean". Can't we just drop it? I still have the
bruises to remind me...
:oP
Rich
-=JR=-
gill...@interport.net (Stephen Gilliard) wrote:
The fact is Seagal wants to play the role of CIA contract agent, but
talks too much. And while he may be able to play that role in the
movies, you have to wonder if a guy with so much Buddhist training
could be such an asshole when it comes to dealing with other people.
Someone I know (who knows whereof he speaks) said
"Segal is as much a CIA Agent as Elvis was a Drug Agent"
-=JR=-
T.-and-...@worldnet.att.net
-=JR=- wrote:
> Someone I know (who knows whereof he speaks) said
> "Segal is as much a CIA Agent as Elvis was a Drug Agent"
Which, considering Elvis's drug problems, would make Seagal (I think
that's how you spell the name) a KGB agent.
Jeri Massi
mor...@usa1.com (morisot) wrote:
>On Thu, 01 May 1997 20:03:10 GMT, p...@mail.utexas.edu (Paul Erickson)
>wrote:
>>On Thu, 01 May 1997 13:37:57 +0100, Andrew Lord <al...@tertio.com>
>>wrote:
>>ppened?
>>>
>>>Does Steve really go around beating up on people or does he just get
>>>challenged a lot?
>>
>>
>>No, he just had a penchant for smacking stuntmen subordinate to him on
>>his movies, that's all.
>> ________________________
>I can't remember if it was Seagal or VanDamme getting sued by a
>stuntman, anyone know? I heard two stories - 1) that the serious
>martial-arts stuntpeople told Mr. Man that the stunt he wanted was no
>good but he insisted on doing it anyway and hurt someone; 2) Mr. Man
>was completely inept while at the same time being overly aggressive in
>a scene and he hurt someone. I'm sure that they settled out of court,
>I haven't heard a thing about it in ages.
VanDamme was sued by a stuntman. It did go to court. VanDamme was
found partially culpable, but as I recall it was the studio that
received most of the blame for the unsafe working conditions that were
created by whatever it was that the stunt required. I DO remember
that much. I THINK that the studio paid the guy most of the damages,
but they were far less than the man had originally sued for.
--Jeri
Steven L Funk
> Seagal Sensei was jumped regularly while in Japan (this is not uncommon)
> where they'd test his abilities. That he operated a successful dojo
Hi,
Dont know much about Seagal, but I do know that the statement that
being "jumped" is not uncommon in japan, is bullshit. I know this
because I have lived hear for the last 18 months, without incident.
Sorry if this offends, but I just wanted to get the facts straight.
Steve
morisot
>On Thu, 01 May 1997 13:37:57 +0100, Andrew Lord <al...@tertio.com>
>wrote:
>ppened?
>>
>>Does Steve really go around beating up on people or does he just get
>>challenged a lot?
>
>
>No, he just had a penchant for smacking stuntmen subordinate to him on
>his movies, that's all.
> ________________________
I can't remember if it was Seagal or VanDamme getting sued by a
stuntman, anyone know? I heard two stories - 1) that the serious
martial-arts stuntpeople told Mr. Man that the stunt he wanted was no
good but he insisted on doing it anyway and hurt someone; 2) Mr. Man
was completely inept while at the same time being overly aggressive in
a scene and he hurt someone. I'm sure that they settled out of court,
I haven't heard a thing about it in ages.
morisot, fondly recalling the old Spy magazine article on Seagal
hehehehehehe
Roland Lee
Paul Erickson (p...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
: On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:43:35 -0700, John Loughlin <nos...@nospam.com>
: wrote:
: >Then again, maybe Seagal Suckshit couldn't move his fat fucking carcass
: >around fast enough to fight.
: And yeah, if you ever wanted to defeat him, easy, just make him chase
: your ass up about 3 flights of stairs, he'll probably up and have a
: heart attack. Geez the guy is out of shape. Take him out of his
: element, make him move and get fatigued.
: There's a reason he wears long sleeves, long pants, and all black
: whenever he can. It's all pretty concealing.
Well, it doesn't work. It's amazing how quickly that guy went to hell.
In his first film, he looked okay. And then his girth began growing
exponentially from film to film. Yikes! Go on a liquid diet or some-
thing, dude.
--
Roland S. Lee
Materials Science and Engineering
University of Pennsylvania
rl...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
I desire the Poles carnally.
-President Jimmy Carter's mistranslation in a 1977 speech in Poland
Kimball Kinnison
The lawsuit was against Van-Damme, which he lost in court.
The trial was covered by CourtTV.
A stuntman was injured during the making of 'Cyborg'. Van Damme
made contact during a kick to the head, injuring the stuntman's
vision.
As I remember, most of the stuntmen on this film were not pros, but
instead were bodybuilders recruited from a gym near Wilmington, NC.
<snip>
Paul Erickson
On Fri, 02 May 1997 13:09:38 -0600, JT <falc...@radware.net> wrote:
>where they'd test his abilities. That he operated a successful dojo in
>Japan is, in and of itself, quite a statement, a testimony to his
Yadda yadda yadda, I admire your devotion to your sensei but there is
a difference between self-press and reality.
It is a statement that his ex-wife (who he abandoned)'s father
actually ran the dojo and out of respect for his daughter allowed
Seagal-sensei to teach there. This is some time ago, not recently.
However SS then extrapolated that to be "I owned and ran my own dojo
in Japan" in his PR/presskit when he arrived with Above the Law.
I mean, this is the same guy who claimed he was buddy-buddy with
Morihei Ueshiba when at the time his most senior students and
confidants had absolutely no idea who Steven Seagal was. Seeing SS's
comments that he showed Toshiro Mifune the finer points of the sword
though, now that was what pissed me off.
Erik Harris
In article <336c4216...@news.usa1.com>, mor...@usa1.com (morisot) wrote:
>I can't remember if it was Seagal or VanDamme getting sued by a
>stuntman, anyone know? I heard two stories - 1) that the serious
>martial-arts stuntpeople told Mr. Man that the stunt he wanted was no
>good but he insisted on doing it anyway and hurt someone; 2) Mr. Man
I dunno, but I've read in a few places that Van Damme has a habit of
accidentally hurting stuntmen. Apparently he's got very little control.
Erik Harris
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Aiki1
In article <336C2F41...@cs.titech.ac.jp>, Steven L Funk
<st...@cs.titech.ac.jp> wrote:
> > Seagal Sensei was jumped regularly while in Japan (this is not uncommon)
> > where they'd test his abilities. That he operated a successful dojo
>
> Hi,
>
> Dont know much about Seagal, but I do know that the statement that
> being "jumped" is not uncommon in japan, is bullshit. I know this
> because I have lived hear for the last 18 months, without incident.
> Sorry if this offends, but I just wanted to get the facts straight.
Are you 6'4" with your own Aikido dojo in Osaka around 1980, that the
Yakuza had an interest towards for various reasons etc.? I doubt it. The
situation was different, the person was different, the time was different,
the place was different, so maybe the experience was different for him.
Paul Erickson
On Mon, 05 May 1997 07:43:05 -0700, Ai...@earthlink.net (Aiki1) wrote:
>Are you 6'4" with your own Aikido dojo in Osaka around 1980, that the
>Yakuza had an interest towards for various reasons etc.?
Aw geez that PR hype is still making the rounds?
Kirk Belanger
JT <falc...@radware.net> wrote:
>Ain't it just grand how people run off at the mouth (in ignorance, I
>might add, as everything JL said is bull, though JL wouldn't have any
>idea, since all he knows about Seagal Sensei comes from the media,) like
>this, disrespectful of a legitimate 7th dan? JL, when you get to be a
>pimple on his tail, let me know...
>--
Gene is a an 8th dan. Gene also has evolved his own system. But what
of it? Look, I got the story from Gene directly. I have people that
were present when he said it. What's the problem ?
Seagal got put in his place. End of story.
Kirk
PS - I have some nice photos of Gene LeBell at our WEB page from the
seminar he did for us a couple of weeks ago.
John Loughlin
> JT <falc...@radware.net> wrote:
>
> >Ain't it just grand how people run off at the mouth (in ignorance, I
> >might add, as everything JL said is bull, though JL wouldn't have any
> >idea, since all he knows about Seagal Sensei comes from the media,) like
> >this, disrespectful of a legitimate 7th dan? JL, when you get to be a
> >pimple on his tail, let me know...
Another neat bit of info....Seagal got started because he was teaching
another sucker who bought his line of crap. Unfortunately, this moron
had a wee bit of power in hollywood.
His name was Michael Ovitz.
JL
Steven L Funk
Aiki1 wrote:
>
> In article <336C2F41...@cs.titech.ac.jp>, Steven L Funk
> <st...@cs.titech.ac.jp> wrote:
>
> > > Seagal Sensei was jumped regularly while in Japan (this is not uncommon)
> > > where they'd test his abilities. That he operated a successful dojo
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Dont know much about Seagal, but I do know that the statement that
> > being "jumped" is not uncommon in japan, is bullshit. I know this
> > because I have lived hear for the last 18 months, without incident.
> > Sorry if this offends, but I just wanted to get the facts straight.
>
> situation was different, the person was different, the time was different,
> the place was different, so maybe the experience was different for him.
Hi,
If you want to say that he was jumped, fine. If you want to say that
it was not uncommon for him to get jumped, fine. But the implication
was, and let me state my perception explicitly: "it is not uncommon for
foreigners (or anybody) to get jumped in japan". This statement is
false. Now, maybe I misunderstood your comments, I would certainly
appreciate some feedback from others on their perceptions. But, again,
as stated here, it is false. Thanks.
Steve
Mark
morisot wrote:
>
> I can't remember if it was Seagal or VanDamme getting sued by a
> stuntman, anyone know? I heard two stories - 1) that the serious
> martial-arts stuntpeople told Mr. Man that the stunt he wanted was no
> good but he insisted on doing it anyway and hurt someone; 2) Mr. Man
> was completely inept while at the same time being overly aggressive in
> a scene and he hurt someone. I'm sure that they settled out of court,
> I haven't heard a thing about it in ages.
>
> morisot, fondly recalling the old Spy magazine article on Seagal
> hehehehehehe
Van Damme was sued by one of his stuntmen who he blinded in one eye
during a fight scene. The movie may have been Universal Soldier and the
incident may have involved a knife, but don't quote me. The prosecution
tried to show he was negligent, can't remember the outcome, but it was
covered in Black Belt magazine a few years back.
Aiki1
In article <336EB5FC...@cs.titech.ac.jp>, Steven L Funk
<st...@cs.titech.ac.jp> wrote:
Yes, you're right, the generality beyond him is not nec. true. But you'd
be surprised at what you might not know about how safe it is or isn't for
certain kinds of people even in Tokyo.
Dylan Walsh
>Aiki1 wrote:
>>
>> In article <336C2F41...@cs.titech.ac.jp>, Steven L Funk
>> <st...@cs.titech.ac.jp> wrote:
>>
>> > > Seagal Sensei was jumped regularly while in Japan (this is not uncommon)
>> > > where they'd test his abilities. That he operated a successful dojo
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Dont know much about Seagal, but I do know that the statement that
>> > being "jumped" is not uncommon in japan, is bullshit. I know this
>> > because I have lived hear for the last 18 months, without incident.
>> > Sorry if this offends, but I just wanted to get the facts straight.
I think you've got your wires croosed. I think what the first poster
meant was that foreigners (and possibly locals) *running dojos* would
be jumped to test their abilities, not foreign tourists, or people who
just cam over to train.
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Roland Lee
Mark (mark.w...@dsto.defence.gov.au) wrote:
I believe the film was Cyborg. The guy who sued was in the army and
as a result of a knife in the eye during a fight scene (ouch!) he went
blind in one eye and as a result was discharged from the army. This
sort of upset him since I gather the army was his primary career with
doing stunt work a side show. Forgive me if I made any mistakes...I'm
writing a lot of this from memory and all the info is basically second-
hand.
PUZZLR
In article <5kqlah$1...@netnews.upenn.edu>, rl...@blue.seas.upenn.edu
(Roland Lee ) writes:
>I believe the film was Cyborg. The guy who sued was in the army and
>as a result of a knife in the eye during a fight scene (ouch!) he went
>blind in one eye and as a result was discharged from the army. This
>sort of upset him since I gather the army was his primary career with
>doing stunt work a side show. Forgive me if I made any mistakes...I'm
>writing a lot of this from memory and all the info is basically second-
>hand.
>
>
I recall the guy got high kicked in the eye
by Dammy. He was supposed to stand
just so far from Dammies foot and didn't.
For that reason Dammy thought he wasn't
liable. He was found 60%(?) culpable and
the injured guy the rest. Can you imagine
Dammy sitting there trying to look normal?
He didn't pull it off. Soon after the verdict I
heard he'd entered that drug rehab.
Puzz
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A man is twenty years old plus half his age. How old is he?
Absolut Queer
On Mon, 05 May 97 04:03:43 GMT, esh7@c_rnell.edu (Erik Harris) somehow
engaged the frontal lobes and wrote:
>In article <336c4216...@news.usa1.com>, mor...@usa1.com (morisot) wrote:
>>I can't remember if it was Seagal or VanDamme getting sued by a
>>stuntman, anyone know? I heard two stories - 1) that the serious
>>martial-arts stuntpeople told Mr. Man that the stunt he wanted was no
>>good but he insisted on doing it anyway and hurt someone; 2) Mr. Man
>
>I dunno, but I've read in a few places that Van Damme has a habit of
>accidentally hurting stuntmen. Apparently he's got very little control.
>
And according to some rumours he's not got a lot of control on some
body functions.
Mr Jean Claude "Streak marks" Van Damme.
JAne
Absolut Queer
"Science is like being God, only I have time and budget constraints"
Fuck the red ribbons, Find a cure.
Kirk Belanger
JT <falc...@radware.net> wrote:
>Ain't it just grand how people run off at the mouth (in ignorance, I
>might add, as everything JL said is bull, though JL wouldn't have any
>idea, since all he knows about Seagal Sensei comes from the media,) like
>this, disrespectful of a legitimate 7th dan? JL, when you get to be a
>pimple on his tail, let me know...
m...@hotmail.com
rl...@blue.seas.upenn.edu (Roland Lee ) wrote:
>Mark (mark.w...@dsto.defence.gov.au) wrote:
>: morisot wrote:
>: >
>: > I can't remember if it was Seagal or VanDamme getting sued by a
>: > stuntman, anyone know? I heard two stories - 1) that the serious
>: > martial-arts stuntpeople told Mr. Man that the stunt he wanted was no
>: > good but he insisted on doing it anyway and hurt someone; 2) Mr. Man
>: > was completely inept while at the same time being overly aggressive in
>: > a scene and he hurt someone. I'm sure that they settled out of court,
>: > I haven't heard a thing about it in ages.
>: >
>: > morisot, fondly recalling the old Spy magazine article on Seagal
>: > hehehehehehe
>: Van Damme was sued by one of his stuntmen who he blinded in one eye
>: during a fight scene. The movie may have been Universal Soldier and the
>: incident may have involved a knife, but don't quote me. The prosecution
>: tried to show he was negligent, can't remember the outcome, but it was
>: covered in Black Belt magazine a few years back.
>I believe the film was Cyborg. The guy who sued was in the army and
>as a result of a knife in the eye during a fight scene (ouch!) he went
>blind in one eye and as a result was discharged from the army. This
>sort of upset him since I gather the army was his primary career with
>doing stunt work a side show. Forgive me if I made any mistakes...I'm
>writing a lot of this from memory and all the info is basically second-
>hand.
>--
>Roland S. Lee
>Materials Science and Engineering
>University of Pennsylvania
>rl...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
>I desire the Poles carnally.
>-President Jimmy Carter's mistranslation in a 1977 speech in Poland
It was not a mistranslation. It was a freudian slip. Carter lusted
for everything in sight.
Mike Rice
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