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P.J. Gladnick

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Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
"Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it was
really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's wife.
Her acting left a lot to be desired. Apparently producers agreed with this
assessment since I notice that her career rapidly faded. According to the
Internet Movie Data Base, her last acting assignment was on the forgettable
John Larrouquette Show back in 1993. Any interesting stories about her?

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Jinxblues

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>>>>>Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
"Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it was
really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's wife.
Her acting left a lot to be desired. Apparently producers agreed with this
assessment since I notice that her career rapidly faded.<<<<<

She was in a fine little film called "Smooth Talk" playing Laura Dern's sister.
Good cast with Treat Williams, Levon Helm, Mary Kay Place, etc. Soundtrack by
James Taylor . .

Brute!

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On 31 Dec 1998 04:13:33 GMT, "P.J. Gladnick" <pjg...@gate.net> wrote:

>Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
>"Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it was
>really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's wife.
>Her acting left a lot to be desired. Apparently producers agreed with this

>assessment since I notice that her career rapidly faded. According to the
>Internet Movie Data Base, her last acting assignment was on the forgettable
>John Larrouquette Show back in 1993. Any interesting stories about her?
>
>"Forrest Chump" Comix
>http://www.pjcomix.com/chump1.html

Tom Hulce's career didn't do much better. But anyway, reportedly Liz
had drug problems. That's why when she resurfaced on Larroquette's
show as the cop, partnered with a huge, obese, older male cop, she
epitomized the expression 'road hard and hung up wet.' Find some
reruns of that show and keep in mind that's a woman in her early 30s.

A shame. She was such a doll.

Anastasia's Music Web

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P.J. Gladnick wrote in message <01be3473$db2d1200$635ae3c7@default>...

>Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
>"Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it was
>really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's wife.
>Her acting left a lot to be desired. Apparently producers agreed with this
>assessment since I notice that her career rapidly faded. According to the
>Internet Movie Data Base, her last acting assignment was on the forgettable
>John Larrouquette Show back in 1993. Any interesting stories about her?

She was in the 1991 Flick "When The Party's Over" as Sandra Bullock and Rae
Dawn Chong's roommate. The film also starred Fisher Steven, Brian McNamera
and a cutie by the name of Kris Kamm who play Bullock's 16 year old brother.
Wonder what ever became of him?

Anastasia
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AMYSA

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>and a cutie by the name of Kris Kamm who play Bullock's 16 year old brother.
>Wonder what ever became of him?

he was on "coach" for a couple of seasons as craig t. nelson's son in law. his
character was annoying as hell, but he played it well. i'm not sure about
anything since then, but i'm sure i've seen his face show up in very small
roles.

amy
"I like having low self-esteem. It makes me feel special."--jane lane


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Diana

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P.J. Gladnick <pjg...@gate.net> wrote in article


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> Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
> "Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it was
> really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's
wife.
> Her acting left a lot to be desired. Apparently producers agreed with
this
> assessment since I notice that her career rapidly faded. According to the
> Internet Movie Data Base, her last acting assignment was on the
forgettable
> John Larrouquette Show back in 1993. Any interesting stories about her?

Valmont!!! That was the name of the movie I was trying to think of..

Diana, who wishes everyone a happy New Year

AMYSA

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>The only interview I remember reading was when Amadeus was being released.

i havn't actually looked at it in awhile and i'm not sure if there are any
interview links on there (not to mention the fact that it hasn't been updated
in over a year), but there is a website for elizabeth...

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/4211/index.html

J

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"P.J. Gladnick" <pjg...@gate.net> wrote:

>Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
>"Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it was
>really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's wife.
>Her acting left a lot to be desired. Apparently producers agreed with this
>assessment since I notice that her career rapidly faded. According to the
>Internet Movie Data Base, her last acting assignment was on the forgettable
>John Larrouquette Show back in 1993. Any interesting stories about her?
>

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>

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KRYGREEN1

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>Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
>"Amadeus?"

I seemed to remember her as the silent maid in the Norman Leer show about the
polical family. I forgotten the name, but it had David Hyde Pierce as the
husband having an affair with Berridge's character. That's when I first saw
her. Amadeus is a great movie. I should fire up the vcr and watch it tonight.


Suni (AKA Suni Spice, keeper of Danny Elfman and knower of stupid trivia)
The band sounded like a bunch of child prodigies running wild on acid in Danny
Elfman's home studio.

AMYSA

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>I seemed to remember her as the silent maid in the Norman Leer show about the
>polical family. I forgotten the name, but it had David Hyde Pierce as the
>husband having an affair with Berridge's character.

"the powers that be"...

:-)amy

Annapilar

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Was she ever anorexic??? She looked very nice and not at all heavy to me in
AMADEUS, but ever since then when I have seen her 9in the JOHH LAROQUETTE SHOW
and the movie WHEN THE PARTY's OVER) she has looked absolutely awful, so
painfully thin, and her teeth have that post-eating disorder look to them.
Anyone have any info??
ALSO--She used to live with Helen Hunt in New York City.
A
"Yeah I want some more cheesy poofs!!!" Cartman SOUTH PARK

Annapilar

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>She was in the 1991 Flick "When The Party's Over" as Sandra Bullock and Rae
>Dawn Chong's roommate. The film also starred Fisher Steven, Brian McNamera
>and a cutie by the name of Kris Kamm who play Bullock's 16 year old brother.
>Wonder what ever became of him?
>
>Anastasia
>--
Actually, Kris Kamm played the gay blond room mate, Banks. Michael Landes
played Bullock's brother, Willie. He is in the recently released video, DREAM
FOR AN INSOMNIAC with Jennifer Aniston, and starred in NBC's crappy 1997
sitcom, UNION SQUARE. He was born 18-Sept.-1972.

KRYGREEN1

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>>I seemed to remember her as the silent maid in the Norman Leer show about
>the
>>polical family. I forgotten the name, but it had David Hyde Pierce as the
>>husband having an affair with Berridge's character.
>
>"the powers that be"...

That's it Amy!!!! :) thanks I was having trouble remembering the title.

azi...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <01be34d0$1b1a4160$6b02efd1@wendy-
tunks>,

"Diana" <di...@execulink.com> wrote:
>
>
> P.J. Gladnick <pjg...@gate.net> wrote in article
> <01be3473$db2d1200$635ae3c7@default>...
> > Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
> > "Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it was
> > really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's
> wife.
> > Her acting left a lot to be desired. Apparently producers agreed with
> this
> > assessment since I notice that her career rapidly faded. According to the
> > Internet Movie Data Base, her last acting assignment was on the
> forgettable
> > John Larrouquette Show back in 1993. Any interesting stories about her?
>
> Valmont!!! That was the name of the movie I was trying to think of..
>
> Diana, who wishes everyone a happy New Year

Elizabeth Berridge's casting in Milos Foreman's
Amadeus was a fluke. The actress originally cast
in the role of Costanza broke her ankle days before
shooting was to begin. Berridge was a last minute
replacement. Prior to her lack-luster performance
in Forman's flick, her previous acting experience
was in the cult-crapper, Killer Clowns from Outer
Space.>


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J

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"P.J. Gladnick" <pjg...@gate.net> wrote:

>Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
>"Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it was
>really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's wife.

Correcting a glitch: IIRC, Jennifer Tilly was supposed to play
Constanze Mozart and couldn't at the last minute, so they chose EB.

Michele317

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<<Was she ever anorexic??? She looked very nice and not at all heavy to me in
AMADEUS, but ever since then when I have seen her 9in the JOHH LAROQUETTE SHOW
and the movie WHEN THE PARTY's OVER) she has looked absolutely awful, so
painfully thin, and her teeth have that post-eating disorder look to them.
Anyone have any info??
ALSO--She used to live with Helen Hunt in New York City. >>

i used to wait on her and matt craven (l.a. doctors or something) quite
frequently back in the 80s... they seemed like a 'couple' then. i remember her
as being pretty small, but not painfully thin.

Font of All Important Info

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On Fri, 01 Jan 1999 08:54:15 GMT, azi...@my-dejanews.com felt
compelled by mysterious forces to say:

<snip>

>Elizabeth Berridge's casting in Milos Foreman's
>Amadeus was a fluke. The actress originally cast
>in the role of Costanza broke her ankle days before
>shooting was to begin. Berridge was a last minute
>replacement. Prior to her lack-luster performance
>in Forman's flick, her previous acting experience
>was in the cult-crapper, Killer Clowns from Outer
>Space.>

hey, hey! any film with a Dickies song as its theme isn't *all* crap
:)

dez
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P.J. Gladnick

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>
> Elizabeth Berridge's casting in Milos Foreman's
> Amadeus was a fluke. The actress originally cast
> in the role of Costanza broke her ankle days before
> shooting was to begin. Berridge was a last minute
> replacement. Prior to her lack-luster performance
> in Forman's flick, her previous acting experience
> was in the cult-crapper, Killer Clowns from Outer
> Space.>

Thanx for the info. This explains a lot. Berridge was obviously way out of
her depth in Amadeus. I just couldn't buy into her role as the Austrian
wife of a major 18th Century composer. She came off more like somebody from
well, er, "Killer Clowns From Outer Space."

BTW, who was the actress originally slated to be Costanza?

P.J. Gladnick

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J <bgr...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
<368cc833...@news.mindspring.com>...


> "P.J. Gladnick" <pjg...@gate.net> wrote:
>
> >Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
> >"Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it was
> >really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's
wife.
>
> Correcting a glitch: IIRC, Jennifer Tilly was supposed to play
> Constanze Mozart and couldn't at the last minute, so they chose EB.
>

Jennifer Tilly? You gotta be kidding! She is just as dopey and miscast in
that role as Berridge was.

MLYoung

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>The casting of Berridge as Constanza I have to agree is somewhat puzzling
>because isn't Milos Forman a notorious fiend for perfection and detail (See
>the wedding scene for .. damn.. brain fart here.. with John Malkovich and
>Annette Bening).
>
>Diana
>

Berridge wasn't Forman's original
choice. Meg Tilly was supposed to do
the part, but had an accident (I think
she broke her leg riding a horse.) and
and was pulled out. Berridge was a
very last-minute substitution.

--margaret

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"P.J. Gladnick" <pjg...@gate.net> wrote:

>Jennifer Tilly? You gotta be kidding! She is just as dopey and miscast in
>that role as Berridge was.

Hm, Meg Tilly, maybe? No, I think it was Jennifer Tilly; I'll have to
see if IMDb has any trivia on it. There was definitely another actress
under consideration, who dropped out, and EB got the role.

J

Marvin Gardens

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P.J. Gladnick wrote:
>
> J <bgr...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
> <368cc833...@news.mindspring.com>...
> > "P.J. Gladnick" <pjg...@gate.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
> > >"Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it was
> > >really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's
> wife.
> >
> > Correcting a glitch: IIRC, Jennifer Tilly was supposed to play
> > Constanze Mozart and couldn't at the last minute, so they chose EB.
> >
>
> Jennifer Tilly? You gotta be kidding! She is just as dopey and miscast in
> that role as Berridge was.
>
You're right, and when Forman cast her in Valmont she proved it.

King Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!

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In article <76i2fn$bkk$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, azi...@my-dejanews.com sez:

â–¡ Elizabeth Berridge's casting in Milos Foreman's


â–¡ Amadeus was a fluke. The actress originally cast
â–¡ in the role of Costanza broke her ankle days before
â–¡ shooting was to begin. Berridge was a last minute
â–¡ replacement. Prior to her lack-luster performance
â–¡ in Forman's flick, her previous acting experience
â–¡ was in the cult-crapper, Killer Clowns from Outer
â–¡ Space.>

...related: at one point, Forman was going to cast Miles Chapin (who'd
previously worked for Forman in HAIR) as Mozart before going with Tom
Hulce. Chapin told me that, when he asked Forman why he changed his mind,
Milos replied, "You're too classy." (Chapin's most recent starring role in
a major-studio release prior to the casting of AMADEUS was as the
high-schooler who gets an axe in the head in THE FUNHOUSE)...

--
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KAR

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Hulce was no stranger to Peter Schaeffer, having played the boy in
Schaeffer's Equus on Broadway around that time (Equus was still runing
when Amadeus started as a play). Although he didn't create the role,
one suspects the Schaeffer connection had quite a bit to do with it.
Schaeffer, by this point a revered playwrite, probably had consultation
rights on the screenplay.

Diana wrote:


>
> On Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:28:29 -0600, ultim...@england.com (King
> Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!) wrote:
>
> >In article <76i2fn$bkk$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, azi...@my-dejanews.com sez:
> >
> >â–¡ Elizabeth Berridge's casting in Milos Foreman's
> >â–¡ Amadeus was a fluke. The actress originally cast
> >â–¡ in the role of Costanza broke her ankle days before
> >â–¡ shooting was to begin. Berridge was a last minute
> >â–¡ replacement. Prior to her lack-luster performance
> >â–¡ in Forman's flick, her previous acting experience
> >â–¡ was in the cult-crapper, Killer Clowns from Outer
> >â–¡ Space.>
> >
> >...related: at one point, Forman was going to cast Miles Chapin (who'd
> >previously worked for Forman in HAIR) as Mozart before going with Tom
> >Hulce. Chapin told me that, when he asked Forman why he changed his mind,
> >Milos replied, "You're too classy." (Chapin's most recent starring role in
> >a major-studio release prior to the casting of AMADEUS was as the
> >high-schooler who gets an axe in the head in THE FUNHOUSE)...
>

> I thought it was because of the dopey laugh. Actually, wasn't the part
> down to Tim Curry who played the English version play?
>
> Didn't Hulce come out of nowhere for the part because of the laugh he
> conjured up?
>
> Diana


Flkofcguls

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>
>> Jennifer Tilly? You gotta be kidding! She is just as dopey and miscast in
>> that role as Berridge was.
>>
>You're right, and when Forman cast her in Valmont she proved it.
>
>
Ummm, that was Meg Tilly in Valmont.

And I didn't think Elizabeth Berridge was bad in Amadeus at all.


J

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Diana <di...@execulink.com> wrote:

>Didn't Hulce come out of nowhere for the part because of the laugh he
>conjured up?
>

He conjured it with a coupla shots of bourbon according to movie lore.

J


Flkofcguls

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>..related: at one point, Forman was going to cast Miles Chapin (who'd
>previously worked for Forman in HAIR) as Mozart before going with Tom
>Hulce. Chapin told me that, when he asked Forman why he changed his mind,
>Milos replied, "You're too classy." (Chapin's most recent starring role in
>a major-studio release prior to the casting of AMADEUS was as the
>high-schooler who gets an axe in the head in THE FUNHOUSE)...


Wow, Forman must have been a big fan of early 80's slasher films, since
Chapin's co-star in The Funhouse was none other than Elizabeth Berridge.

P.J. Gladnick

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Flkofcguls <flkof...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19990102202537...@ng-fb2.aol.com>...

You're right. She wasn't merely bad. She was HORRIBLE. All I could see was
a ditzy American mall babe rather than the Austrian wife of a major
composer.

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http://www.pjcomix.com/

Leslie

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On Sat, 02 Jan 1999 08:45:13 GMT, dez...@ix.netcom.com (Font of All
Important Info) wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Jan 1999 08:54:15 GMT, azi...@my-dejanews.com felt
>compelled by mysterious forces to say:
>
><snip>
>

>>Elizabeth Berridge's casting in Milos Foreman's
>>Amadeus was a fluke. The actress originally cast
>>in the role of Costanza broke her ankle days before
>>shooting was to begin. Berridge was a last minute
>>replacement. Prior to her lack-luster performance
>>in Forman's flick, her previous acting experience
>>was in the cult-crapper, Killer Clowns from Outer
>>Space.>
>

>hey, hey! any film with a Dickies song as its theme isn't *all* crap
>:)
>
>dez
>asgtpr #60a

Since my %#! server picked this up mid thread, someone may have
mentioned this already.....

Anyone out there remember the short-lived soap, TEXAS? (It was a
spin-off of ANOTHER WORLD) Berridge did a stint on that nearly 20
years ago.


LLA

Brute!

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On 3 Jan 1999 16:58:25 GMT, "P.J. Gladnick" <pjg...@gate.net> wrote:

>> And I didn't think Elizabeth Berridge was bad in Amadeus at all.
>>
>
>You're right. She wasn't merely bad. She was HORRIBLE. All I could see was
>a ditzy American mall babe rather than the Austrian wife of a major
>composer.
>
>PJ's Comix
>http://www.pjcomix.com/

Oh, like Amadeus was a poised, well-behaved gentleman?

Flkofcguls

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. >>You're right. She wasn't merely bad. She was HORRIBLE. All I could see was
>>a ditzy American mall babe rather than the Austrian wife of a major
>>composer.
>>
>

>Oh, like Amadeus was a poised, well-behaved gentleman?
>

Thank you. Hulce played Mozart like a rowdier extension of his character from
Animal House. But it worked. Berridge's character wasn't supposed to be blessed
with much intelligence or poise. She was supposed to be the equivalent of a
mall babe. And in any case, I seriously doubt she did anything Milos Forman
didn't want her to do. So if you wanna blame someone, blame him.

bantr...@my-dejanews.com

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First, let me say I posted a reply to this 12/31 but it's never showed up so
I hope I don't duplicate my post. ===================== While I agree that
Berridge wasn't that strong in the role I must disagree with Tom Hulce's
career being likened to hers.

Tom has been very active and he's very rarely not working. Tom's not being
popular (Hollywood-wise I must add) is largely due to his not wanting to be.
He has never wanted that sort of fame. He chooses roles because of the role,
not of how popular it will make him or how much money the film will make. As
a matter of fact, Mary Shelly's Frankenstein was the only other film he's done
that could be likened to the big budget film of Amadeus.

Tom's background is the stage (where he got his biggest boost from playing
Strang opposite both Tony Perkins and Tony Hopkins in Equus). And most
recently he's been focusing his directing talents on the staged production
of John Irving's "The Cider House Rules" which is slated for an Off-Broadway
run this coming Feb.in NYC.

If anyone is interested in finding out just how busy Tom has been since (and
before) Amadus, they're invited to "The Tom Hulce Ultimate Webpage!" at:
http://www.geocities.com/~tomhulce

I think some might be surprised!

:-)
================


In article <368b1f1e...@nntp.we.mediaone.net>,
y...@spammers.can.all.drop.dead.com (Brute!) wrote:


> On 31 Dec 1998 04:13:33 GMT, "P.J. Gladnick" <pjg...@gate.net> wrote:
>
> >Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
> >"Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it was
> >really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's wife.

> >Her acting left a lot to be desired. Apparently producers agreed with this
> >assessment since I notice that her career rapidly faded. According to the
> >Internet Movie Data Base, her last acting assignment was on the forgettable
> >John Larrouquette Show back in 1993. Any interesting stories about her?
> >

> >"Forrest Chump" Comix
> >http://www.pjcomix.com/chump1.html
>

> Tom Hulce's career didn't do much better. But anyway, reportedly Liz
> had drug problems. That's why when she resurfaced on Larroquette's
> show as the cop, partnered with a huge, obese, older male cop, she
> epitomized the expression 'road hard and hung up wet.' Find some
> reruns of that show and keep in mind that's a woman in her early 30s.
>
> A shame. She was such a doll.

J

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"P.J. Gladnick" <pjg...@gate.net> wrote:

>You're right. She wasn't merely bad. She was HORRIBLE. All I could see was
>a ditzy American mall babe rather than the Austrian wife of a major
>composer.

Wait a minnite, don't be anachronistic. Mozart wasn't a major Austrian
composer during the time he was alive in that few people recognized
his genius. Remember, Salieri was a rival and Mozart had to struggle,
not to compose, but to be heard (The Marriage of Figaro was withdrawn
after only 8 performances, IIRC).

EB and the screen writers have only the information available through
the Mozart biographies and a miniature of Costanze, so given that
limited information, what DB did was ok, she only needed to be
historically accurate, not the star of the film. Tom Hulce and F.
Murray Abraham were both nominated for Best Actor Oscars; F. Murray
won.

J


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Whatever Milos choice, it was the best one. I recall the long and, at times,
tiedous, audition Tom Hulce went through for the role. Over 5 hours of
playing Mozart opposit a sea of other actors that were up for roles in the
film! And then playing key scenes opposite Milos himself. It obviously
wasn't a hasty choice to chose Tom for the role. Milos put a lot of time and
thought into his decision. And to say that Chapin was "too classy" I
certainly don't see as negative toward Hulce (and I'm not saying that you
meant it that way, either). Mozart, himself, was not viewed as "classy". I
recall a line from the film (which was probably never said LOL) "... your
Majesty, I am a vulgar man. But I assure you my music is not." Tom's
vitality and energy were perfect for the role and I think Milos made the
perfect choice!

Am I bias? Certainly ... but for good reason!

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>
> ...related: at one point, Forman was going to cast Miles Chapin (who'd


> previously worked for Forman in HAIR) as Mozart before going with Tom
> Hulce. Chapin told me that, when he asked Forman why he changed his mind,
> Milos replied, "You're too classy." (Chapin's most recent starring role in
> a major-studio release prior to the casting of AMADEUS was as the
> high-schooler who gets an axe in the head in THE FUNHOUSE)...
>

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Actually Schaeffer didn't play a key role in the casting of Hulce as Amadeus.
True he probably had positive comments about his role in Equus but Milos made
his choice based on talent and the right man for the role. As I said in a
previous post, Hulce went through over 5 hours of audition for Forman,
including playing opposite Forman himself.

There were a number of very talentd and popular entertainers that wanted that
role; David Bowie coming to mind now and the Russian dancer (whose name
escapes me at this moment).

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ke...@earthlink.net wrote:
> Hulce was no stranger to Peter Schaeffer, having played the boy in
> Schaeffer's Equus on Broadway around that time (Equus was still runing
> when Amadeus started as a play). Although he didn't create the role,
> one suspects the Schaeffer connection had quite a bit to do with it.
> Schaeffer, by this point a revered playwrite, probably had consultation
> rights on the screenplay.

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I think, and this is only my opinion, that perhaps Elizabeth was chosen
because she seems to look very much like Mozart's description of his wife.
"She is not ugly, but at the same time far from beautiful. Her whole beauty
consists in two little black eyes and a pretty figure." [12/15/1781] I think
that could describe Berridge. While I think she is very cute, her face was
too youthful for her mature body and, somehow, the two didn't match.

The only scene I find hard to like, and it's a crucial one, is the death
scene of Mozart. I do not buy that Constanze has truly lost the man she
loves. That cry of "Wolfie", over and over, just lacks the pain and grief
that I would think a person would express had their love just died ... almost
right before their eyes!

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flkof...@aol.com (Flkofcguls) wrote:
> >..related: at one point, Forman was going to cast Miles Chapin (who'd
> >previously worked for Forman in HAIR) as Mozart before going with Tom
> >Hulce. Chapin told me that, when he asked Forman why he changed his mind,
> >Milos replied, "You're too classy." (Chapin's most recent starring role in
> >a major-studio release prior to the casting of AMADEUS was as the
> >high-schooler who gets an axe in the head in THE FUNHOUSE)...
>

> Wow, Forman must have been a big fan of early 80's slasher films, since
> Chapin's co-star in The Funhouse was none other than Elizabeth Berridge.
>

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In article <76ohl1$8h7$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, bantr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

(snippage about Tom Hulce)

>And most
> recently he's been focusing his directing talents on the staged production
> of John Irving's "The Cider House Rules" which is slated for an Off-Broadway
> run this coming Feb.in NYC.

I was really surprised to read a full-on RAVE about this production (I
forget where it's in tryouts. Boston?) recently in THE NEW YORKER, if
only because it seems like such an unlikely novel to turn into a musical.
Anybody seen it? Rick Rashid, where are you?

J

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bantr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

>First, let me say I posted a reply to this 12/31 but it's never showed up so
>I hope I don't duplicate my post. ===================== While I agree that
>Berridge wasn't that strong in the role I must disagree with Tom Hulce's
>career being likened to hers.
>
>Tom has been very active and he's very rarely not working. Tom's not being
>popular (Hollywood-wise I must add) is largely due to his not wanting to be.
>He has never wanted that sort of fame.

I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread, but I'm sure it's on
the web page: Tom won an Emmy for The Heidi Chronicles. I remember
in one of Shirley MacLaine's books, she mentioned coming out of a
studio, seeing Tom Hulce, locking arms and walking with him. I suspect
Ms. MacLaine with her intelligence, stature in the industry, and
demands on her own time would not suffer fools or phonies ;>

>He chooses roles because of the role,
>not of how popular it will make him or how much money the film will make.

>If anyone is interested in finding out just how busy Tom has been since (and
>before) Amadus, they're invited to "The Tom Hulce Ultimate Webpage!" at:
> http://www.geocities.com/~tomhulce
>
>I think some might be surprised!

Tx for the URL; I'll look.

J

KAR

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J wrote:
>
> bantr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> >First, let me say I posted a reply to this 12/31 but it's never showed up so
> >I hope I don't duplicate my post. ===================== While I agree that
> >Berridge wasn't that strong in the role I must disagree with Tom Hulce's
> >career being likened to hers.
> >
> >Tom has been very active and he's very rarely not working. Tom's not being
> >popular (Hollywood-wise I must add) is largely due to his not wanting to be.
> >He has never wanted that sort of fame.
>
> I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread, but I'm sure it's on
> the web page: Tom won an Emmy for The Heidi Chronicles. I remember
> in one of Shirley MacLaine's books, she mentioned coming out of a
> studio, seeing Tom Hulce, locking arms and walking with him. I suspect
> Ms. MacLaine with her intelligence, stature in the industry, and
> demands on her own time would not suffer fools or phonies ;>
>

Ms. McLaine, perhaps the Fool's Phoney of the Entertainment Industry,
suffers one of each on a daily basis.

Stories of McLaine's despicable behavior are legion... my favorite
personal observation was at the recent rightfully esteemed production of
A Doll's House in New York with a performance one spends a lifetime
attending theatre to see given by Janet McTeer as Nora. Ms. McLaine who
was sitting across the aisle from me made a virtual show of herself
during intermission, hanging out at the front door to the theatre lest
anyone miss the star sighting. Therefore, the notion of her seeking
anonymity is a bogus one in defence of her walking out at curtain and
not staying to offer a superlative actor her due in an audience that was
justifiably overwhelmed by the brilliance that had just ocurred on stage.

For my money, she is Queen of the Pig People; ask any actor who has
worked with her about how she behaves during the other actor's close-ups...

KAR

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The Cider House Rules was not worthy of the New Yorker rave; while it
was admirable, the adaptation, which Hulce (who by the way is about 60
pounds heavier than he was in Amadeus) shares credit on was not the
best. The Taper has been involved in the mini-marathon sweepstakes for
a while: Angels In America (the pre-Broadway version) premiered there as
did The Kentucky Cycle. The Cider House Rules, in my opinion, was,
despite some wonderful performances, not in the league of these other
two pieces (why Kentucky Cycle bombed in New York is a mystery to me; it
was profound, coherent and beautiful). John Irving's book is something
of a polemic for both sides of the abortion issue and the play was
extremely faithful to its literary source (which is not always
admirable, there's got to be a reason why reading the book is not a
preferable choice if the adaptation is going to exist in the first
place; see: Nicholas Nickleby). The first, expository act was wonderful
and exciting, the final act, however was a blessed relief to a middle
seciton that literally put the argument on abortion into two characters'
mouths and had them debate it forever. While John Lahr is one of the
most astute writers around and I frequently agree with him
wholeheartedly, I can't figure out why he was as forgiving of this work
as he normally would not be. (There was a rumor that Laurie Winer's pan
of the show got her the boot from the influential Times Drama Job and
that Gordon Davidson coerced the Times to hire a more Taper-friendly
critic which explains the virtual rave, speaking of abortions, for the
recent Sondheim debacle, Putting It Together).


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In article <76om1k$bvc$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, bantr...@my-dejanews.com sez:

â–¡ And to say that Chapin was "too classy" I


â–¡ certainly don't see as negative toward Hulce (and I'm not saying that you
â–¡ meant it that way, either).

...well, it wasn't even my comment in the first place, just what Miles
told me Milos told him...although, of course, there's also the fact that
Tom's first big picture was ANIMAL HOUSE, which revelled in its lack of
class, and Milos later cast Miles as one of the co-founders of Hustler
Magazine in THE PEOPLE VS. LARRY FLYNT, so go figger :-) ...

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I'm not sure what The New Yorker said, but "The Cider House Rules" is not a
musical. I've read a review that had me wondering if the critic had ever
seen the play as that one listed it as a comdey!

The play adheres very closely, if not exactly, to the book (I've read Part One
of the script). As far as Boston, I've heard that it will have its Off-
Broadway run at the Atlantic Theater in NYC.

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===============
In article <colleen-0301...@13-55.dynamic.visi.com>,


col...@ixnay.amspay.com (McGeary) wrote:
> In article <76ohl1$8h7$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, bantr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> (snippage about Tom Hulce)
>
> >And most
> > recently he's been focusing his directing talents on the staged production
> > of John Irving's "The Cider House Rules" which is slated for an Off-Broadway
> > run this coming Feb.in NYC.
>
> I was really surprised to read a full-on RAVE about this production (I
> forget where it's in tryouts. Boston?) recently in THE NEW YORKER, if
> only because it seems like such an unlikely novel to turn into a musical.
> Anybody seen it? Rick Rashid, where are you?
>

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I must admit I've heard similar stories here in Hollywood. And her brother,
Warren, is no less the peculiar-one. Must run in the family!

Well then, I guess it's good that *she* took hold of Tom's arm and not the
other way around! LOL ================

>
> Ms. McLaine, perhaps the Fool's Phoney of the Entertainment Industry,
> suffers one of each on a daily basis.
>
> Stories of McLaine's despicable behavior are legion... my favorite
> personal observation was at the recent rightfully esteemed production of
> A Doll's House in New York with a performance one spends a lifetime
> attending theatre to see given by Janet McTeer as Nora. Ms. McLaine who
> was sitting across the aisle from me made a virtual show of herself
> during intermission, hanging out at the front door to the theatre lest
> anyone miss the star sighting. Therefore, the notion of her seeking
> anonymity is a bogus one in defence of her walking out at curtain and
> not staying to offer a superlative actor her due in an audience that was
> justifiably overwhelmed by the brilliance that had just ocurred on stage.
>
> For my money, she is Queen of the Pig People; ask any actor who has
> worked with her about how she behaves during the other actor's close-ups...
>
> > >He chooses roles because of the role,
> > >not of how popular it will make him or how much money the film will make.
> > >If anyone is interested in finding out just how busy Tom has been since (and
> > >before) Amadus, they're invited to "The Tom Hulce Ultimate Webpage!" at:
> > > http://www.geocities.com/~tomhulce
> > >
> > >I think some might be surprised!
> >
> > Tx for the URL; I'll look.
> >
> > J
>
>

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While I too have heard/read mixed reviews on the play, I am grateful that it
sticks so closely to the book (which I found a delightful read. The abortion
issue - pro or con - didn't stand in the way of the characters or the story.
I didn't get that personally involved with the debate. I took their lives as
a story and just let myself get involved with them). The performances at
The Mark Taper were down from their Seattle ones (which did get good reviews)
mainly due to the original cast all not being available. It's difficult to
maintain the same level of excellence, at times, when this happens. I have
read critics that had seen both and this was their main comment as per the
performance level. I do not know who, exactly, will be in the NYC cast but
I can feel confident that making its way to even an Off-Broadway debut is a
positive comment in itself. I am hoping to be able to attend at least one
showing.

> McGeary wrote:
> >
> > In article <76ohl1$8h7$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, bantr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > (snippage about Tom Hulce)
> >
> > >And most
> > > recently he's been focusing his directing talents on the staged production
> > > of John Irving's "The Cider House Rules" which is slated for an Off-Broadway
> > > run this coming Feb.in NYC.
> >
> > I was really surprised to read a full-on RAVE about this production (I
> > forget where it's in tryouts. Boston?) recently in THE NEW YORKER, if
> > only because it seems like such an unlikely novel to turn into a musical.
> > Anybody seen it? Rick Rashid, where are you?
>

> The Cider House Rules was not worthy of the New Yorker rave; while it
> was admirable, the adaptation, which Hulce (who by the way is about 60
> pounds heavier than he was in Amadeus) shares credit on was not the
> best. The Taper has been involved in the mini-marathon sweepstakes for
> a while: Angels In America (the pre-Broadway version) premiered there as
> did The Kentucky Cycle. The Cider House Rules, in my opinion, was,
> despite some wonderful performances, not in the league of these other
> two pieces (why Kentucky Cycle bombed in New York is a mystery to me; it
> was profound, coherent and beautiful). John Irving's book is something
> of a polemic for both sides of the abortion issue and the play was
> extremely faithful to its literary source (which is not always
> admirable, there's got to be a reason why reading the book is not a
> preferable choice if the adaptation is going to exist in the first
> place; see: Nicholas Nickleby). The first, expository act was wonderful
> and exciting, the final act, however was a blessed relief to a middle
> seciton that literally put the argument on abortion into two characters'
> mouths and had them debate it forever. While John Lahr is one of the
> most astute writers around and I frequently agree with him
> wholeheartedly, I can't figure out why he was as forgiving of this work
> as he normally would not be. (There was a rumor that Laurie Winer's pan
> of the show got her the boot from the influential Times Drama Job and
> that Gordon Davidson coerced the Times to hire a more Taper-friendly
> critic which explains the virtual rave, speaking of abortions, for the
> recent Sondheim debacle, Putting It Together).
>
>

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True, you're right. Sorry. I did write that the wrong way. But my point
was the same. But funny you'd mention Animal House. Animal House and
September 30, 1955 (Tom's very first film) were two reasons that caused
Forman to hesitate on Tom at first. I can see his reasoning, though. It's
quite a stretch from Pinto to Mozart! It wasn't until he actually got to
audition that Milos saw the talent and potential Hulce had to play Mozart.

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KAR <ke...@earthlink.net> wrote:
[snp]
>
>Ms. McLaine, perhaps the Fool's Phoney of the Entertainment Industry,
>suffers one of each on a daily basis.
>
>Stories of McLaine's despicable behavior are legion... my favorite
>personal observation was at the recent rightfully esteemed production of
>A Doll's House in New York with a performance one spends a lifetime
>attending theatre to see given by Janet McTeer as Nora.
>
>For my money, she is Queen of the Pig People; ask any actor who has
>worked with her about how she behaves during the other actor's close-ups...

Um, ok, unless someone else has an anecdote about A Doll's House, I'll
take your word for it. I was just recounting something Ms. McLaine
had written in her book. Tom Hulce may someday write a book, too, and
put in his own anecdote about Ms. M.

J

J
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..."Shirley MacLaine can remember what she did 3000 years ago, and I can't
find my car keys."---Jack Paar...

Marty

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bantr...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<76ohl1$8h7$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>First, let me say I posted a reply to this 12/31 but it's never showed up
so
>I hope I don't duplicate my post. ===================== While I agree that
>Berridge wasn't that strong in the role I must disagree with Tom Hulce's
>career being likened to hers.
>
>Tom has been very active and he's very rarely not working.
<snippage>
One could say that his reputation to pack on the odd 100 lbs., along with
generally letting himself to go hell, doesn't exactly help his acting
career.
K.

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Marty,

I take extreme offense at your "weight" comment about Tom Hulce ... or anyone
for that matter. What in the world does gaining, or losing, weight have to do
with working in the arts? Are you implying that one must be slim and slender
to gain work? This, in itself, is absurd and very insulting. Whether or not
Tom Hulce has gained weight is in no way a reflection on his fine talents and
ability to work. You may not have noticed this, but people come in all sizes
and, therefore, there is a need for actors to fill those types.

I think you may have worded your comment correctly though ... "one could
say ... " and you must be that "one" because, as I said, Tom is rarely not
working.

That's all I have to say about your comment.

Thank you.


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In article <76om1k$bvc$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

bantr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Whatever Milos choice, it was the best one. I recall the long and, at times,
> tiedous, audition Tom Hulce went through for the role. Over 5 hours of
> playing Mozart opposit a sea of other actors that were up for roles in the
> film! And then playing key scenes opposite Milos himself. It obviously
> wasn't a hasty choice to chose Tom for the role. Milos put a lot of time and
> thought into his decision. And to say that Chapin was "too classy" I

> certainly don't see as negative toward Hulce (and I'm not saying that you
> meant it that way, either). Mozart, himself, was not viewed as "classy". I
> recall a line from the film (which was probably never said LOL) "... your
> Majesty, I am a vulgar man. But I assure you my music is not." Tom's
> vitality and energy were perfect for the role and I think Milos made the
> perfect choice!
>
> Am I bias? Certainly ... but for good reason!
>
> "The Tom Hulce Ultimate Webpage!" http://www.geocities.com/~tomhulce
> >
> > ...related: at one point, Forman was going to cast Miles Chapin (who'd

> > previously worked for Forman in HAIR) as Mozart before going with Tom
> > Hulce. Chapin told me that, when he asked Forman why he changed his mind,
> > Milos replied, "You're too classy." (Chapin's most recent starring role in
> > a major-studio release prior to the casting of AMADEUS was as the
> > high-schooler who gets an axe in the head in THE FUNHOUSE)...
> >
> > --
> > King Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!
> > Chicago WSBC/Chicago Heights WCFJ/Whitewater WSUW
> > ultim...@england.com http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/7853
> > "What'll the preachers do when the Devil is saved?" DAVE GARDNER
> >
>
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I'm glad that Forman did cast Tom Hulce who seems
to bring just the right blend of "eat my shit"
crassness to the genius enfant terrible compozer
that was Mozart. But an even more brilliant
casting was pairing Hulce and F. Murray Abraham as
Soleri, the perpect foy to Mozart. Do I love this
film, does it show that much?
AZINDN >


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01be3678$dd04b040$9975e3c7@default>,

"P.J. Gladnick" <pjg...@gate.net> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Elizabeth Berridge's casting in Milos Foreman's
> > Amadeus was a fluke. The actress originally cast
> > in the role of Costanza broke her ankle days before
> > shooting was to begin. Berridge was a last minute
> > replacement. Prior to her lack-luster performance
> > in Forman's flick, her previous acting experience
> > was in the cult-crapper, Killer Clowns from Outer
> > Space.>
>
> Thanx for the info. This explains a lot. Berridge was obviously way out of
> her depth in Amadeus. I just couldn't buy into her role as the Austrian
> wife of a major 18th Century composer. She came off more like somebody from
> well, er, "Killer Clowns From Outer Space."
>
> BTW, who was the actress originally slated to be Costanza?

>
> "Forrest Chump" Comix
> http://www.pjcomix.com/chump1.html
>
>I'm sorry, my trivia knowledge stopped with the name of the actress she replaced.

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In article <
36a2dc67...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,

dez...@ix.netcom.com (Font of All Important Info)
wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jan 1999 08:54:15 GMT, azi...@my-dejanews.com felt
> compelled by mysterious forces to say:
>
> <snip>
>
> >Elizabeth Berridge's casting in Milos Foreman's
> >Amadeus was a fluke. The actress originally cast
> >in the role of Costanza broke her ankle days before
> >shooting was to begin. Berridge was a last minute
> >replacement. Prior to her lack-luster performance
> >in Forman's flick, her previous acting experience
> >was in the cult-crapper, Killer Clowns from Outer
> >Space.>
>
> hey, hey! any film with a Dickies song as its theme isn't *all* crap
> :)
>
> dez
> asgtpr #60a
>
> ....a pistol-hot cup of Dez...
>
> "Chef of chicanery, your buns are mine!"
> --the Tick
>I liked the song -- snappy line "killer clowns from outer space..." Didn't know the Dickies did it. Thanks! ;-}
AZINDN

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I must agree with you. Murray did bring the sly willy to Solieri that was
needed. He pulled off the "villan". I think his scenes as the masked man
asking for the requiem are his best. I think being able to bring that same
menace through that mask was quite excellent.

However, I still feel Hulce deserved the Oscar over him. But the politics
that *are* the Oscars is a whole 'nother thread!
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> I'm glad that Forman did cast Tom Hulce who seems
> to bring just the right blend of "eat my shit"
> crassness to the genius enfant terrible compozer
> that was Mozart. But an even more brilliant
> casting was pairing Hulce and F. Murray Abraham as
> Soleri, the perpect foy to Mozart. Do I love this
> film, does it show that much?

> AZINDN >
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bantr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> I must agree with you. Murray did bring the sly willy to Solieri that was
> needed. He pulled off the "villan". I think his scenes as the masked man
> asking for the requiem are his best. I think being able to bring that same
> menace through that mask was quite excellent.
>
> However, I still feel Hulce deserved the Oscar over him. But the politics
> that *are* the Oscars is a whole 'nother thread!
> ==================
I'm not up on my Oscar contenders for that year, but
weren't both Hulce and Abraham nominated in the
same category, best actor? I'd have split it and put
Abraham in the supporting actor category and Hulce
in best actor, or visa versa, although the film's
title is Mozart and not Solieri. Oscar politics are
infinately quixotic and uninformed IMHO.

Abraham is a marvelous actor, but I've seen Hulce
in other works where he shines just as much.
Quelle damage.
AZINDN


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In article <76u6qf$1ql$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

You're right, AZINDN! It's rarely done, but once in a while the Oscars
nominate two actors in the same film at the same level. I, personally, feel
this is absurd! And in this case doubly so for, as you said, the film was
titled after Tom's role and not Murray's. I think Tom should have been
nonimated for the Best Actor and Murray for Best Supporting Actor. This
would have also given them both a better chance of coming away with the
little gold guy!

Tom has, IMHO, turned in several Oscar-worthy performances. Dominick & Eugene
and The Inner Circle, to name just two. I thought it a shame that he didn't
get a nod for his fine acting and singing in The Hunchback of Notre Dame but
Hollywood doesn't seem, yet, to recognize animation performances or comedies
as solid enough acting to nominate the actors. This is a real shame, too,
since more and more solid and very talented actors are doing voice work and
if you ask any voice over actor he/she will tell you that they don't feel any
less an actor than those that appear in front of the camera ... as it should
be!

Jefe

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bantr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> azi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

<snip>

> > I'm not up on my Oscar contenders for that year, but
> > weren't both Hulce and Abraham nominated in the
> > same category, best actor? I'd have split it and put
> > Abraham in the supporting actor category and Hulce
> > in best actor, or visa versa, although the film's
> > title is Mozart and not Solieri. Oscar politics are
> > infinately quixotic and uninformed IMHO.

<more snip>



> You're right, AZINDN! It's rarely done, but once in a while the Oscars
> nominate two actors in the same film at the same level. I, personally, feel
> this is absurd! And in this case doubly so for, as you said, the film was
> titled after Tom's role and not Murray's. I think Tom should have been
> nonimated for the Best Actor and Murray for Best Supporting Actor. This
> would have also given them both a better chance of coming away with the
> little gold guy!

Although categorizing performances can get dicey (McDormand and Macy in
"Fargo"; Baxter and Davis in "All About Eve"), Salieri is clearly the
leading role in "Amadeus". Abraham was nominated in the proper category
in this case.

Jefe

Jamie

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bantr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> You're right, AZINDN! It's rarely done, but once in a while the Oscars
> nominate two actors in the same film at the same level. I, personally, feel
> this is absurd! And in this case doubly so for, as you said, the film was
> titled after Tom's role and not Murray's. I think Tom should have been
> nonimated for the Best Actor and Murray for Best Supporting Actor. This
> would have also given them both a better chance of coming away with the
> little gold guy!

I bet F. Murray Abraham didn't care, tho, cause he won. <g>
On an Oscar clip tape I have, there's a clip of his acceptance speech,
and it is sweet. He gives Tom Hulce lots of kudos.

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~Jamie

J

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azi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

>In article <76tdk6$a0s$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> bantr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> I must agree with you. Murray did bring the sly willy to Solieri that was
>> needed. He pulled off the "villan". I think his scenes as the masked man
>> asking for the requiem are his best.

I like the gleam in his eyes (or contacts-LOL) when he's in the wheel
chair in the nursing home, just starting his confession to the priest.
What absolute malice and glee. In addition, another powerful scene is
when Costanze brings him the manuscript portfolio, he looks through
it. His (or one) voice-over is something like "finished as no music
has ever been finished." Salieri lets the music fall out of the
portfolio, tilts his head back in agony, and I'll be damned if I don't
imagine, ('scusi) the snot actually running from his nose in anguish
and grief. Musicians are, if nothing else, passionate and prone to
over-reacting [ducking flames.]

> I think being able to bring that same
>> menace through that mask was quite excellent.
>>
>> However, I still feel Hulce deserved the Oscar over him. But the politics
>> that *are* the Oscars is a whole 'nother thread!
>> ==================

>I'm not up on my Oscar contenders for that year, but
>weren't both Hulce and Abraham nominated in the
>same category, best actor? I'd have split it and put
>Abraham in the supporting actor category and Hulce
>in best actor, or visa versa, although the film's
>title is Mozart and not Solieri. Oscar politics are
>infinately quixotic and uninformed IMHO.

Yes, movie audiences were blessed with two fine performances that
year. It IS unfair that both couldn't win or tie.

>Abraham is a marvelous actor, but I've seen Hulce
>in other works where he shines just as much.
>Quelle damage.

But Abraham did go through a dry period when he didn't act in films,
as is sometimes the case, a sort of reverse charm that winning Best
Actor brings with it.

J

Wendy Grossman

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In article <01be3473$db2d1200$635ae3c7@default>, pjg...@gate.net (P.J.
Gladnick) wrote:

> Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
> "Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it was
> really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's wif
> e.
> Her acting left a lot to be desired. Apparently producers agreed with th
> is
> assessment since I notice that her career rapidly faded. According to th
> e
> Internet Movie Data Base, her last acting assignment was on the forgetta
> ble
> John Larrouquette Show back in 1993. Any interesting stories about her?
>

Well, the "forgettable" Larroquette Show was in fact probably the best
thing I've ever seen on TV for its first year, and damn good its second.
It was just the third year when it sucked. Berridge was very good in it
as a tough cop with a neurotic side. Before that, she was brilliant as
the downtrodden maid in love with David Hyde Pierce (another repressed but
passionate role) on the wonderful The Powers That Be.

wg

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Wendy Grossman

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In article <368b1f1e...@nntp.we.mediaone.net>,
y...@spammers.can.all.drop.dead.com (Brute!) wrote:

> On 31 Dec 1998 04:13:33 GMT, "P.J. Gladnick" <pjg...@gate.net> wrote:
>
> >Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
> >"Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it was
> >really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's wi
> fe.
> >Her acting left a lot to be desired. Apparently producers agreed with t
> his
> >assessment since I notice that her career rapidly faded. According to t
> he
> >Internet Movie Data Base, her last acting assignment was on the forgett
> able
> >John Larrouquette Show back in 1993. Any interesting stories about her?
> >

> >"Forrest Chump" Comix
> >http://www.pjcomix.com/chump1.html
>

> Tom Hulce's career didn't do much better. But anyway, reportedly Liz
> had drug problems. That's why when she resurfaced on Larroquette's
> show as the cop, partnered with a huge, obese, older male cop, she
> epitomized the expression 'road hard and hung up wet.' Find some
> reruns of that show and keep in mind that's a woman in her early 30s.
>
> A shame. She was such a doll.

Actually, she resurfaced before that on The Powers That Be.

wg

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Wendy Grossman

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In article <01be3679$2086cb00$9975e3c7@default>, pjg...@gate.net (P.J.
Gladnick) wrote:

>
>
> J <bgr...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
> <368cc833...@news.mindspring.com>...


> > "P.J. Gladnick" <pjg...@gate.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
> > >"Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it wa
> s
> > >really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's
> wife.
> >

> > Correcting a glitch: IIRC, Jennifer Tilly was supposed to play
> > Constanze Mozart and couldn't at the last minute, so they chose EB.
> >
>
> Jennifer Tilly? You gotta be kidding! She is just as dopey and miscast i
> n
> that role as Berridge was.

Aside from anything else, wasn't Jennifer Tilly like 12 at the time? No
one had heard of Jennifer Tilly in 1984, or whenever it was -- her sister,
Meg, was the star.

wg

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kickedi...@hotmail.com

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In article <01be34cf$91b22b40$6b02efd1@wendy-tunks>,
"Diana" <di...@execulink.com> wrote:
>
>
> P.J. Gladnick <pjg...@gate.net> wrote in article
> <01be3473$db2d1200$635ae3c7@default>...

> > Does anybody remember Elizabeth Berridge who played Mozart's wife in
> > "Amadeus?" I just saw the flick on the tube the other night and it was
> > really great. However, Berridge was horrible in the role as Mozart's
> wife.
> > Her acting left a lot to be desired. Apparently producers agreed with
> this
> > assessment since I notice that her career rapidly faded. According to the
> > Internet Movie Data Base, her last acting assignment was on the
> forgettable
> > John Larrouquette Show back in 1993. Any interesting stories about her?
>
> I couldn't get over the change of her appearance from the time of Amadeus
> and the John Larroquette Show. Her looks seemed to have hardened.
>
> The only interview I remember reading was when Amadeus was being released.
> It was so long ago, I can't credit the interview but basically she said she
> loved co-star Thomas Hulce so much, she would "marry him in a second".
> This in itself is quite incredible because isn't Hulce a FOD?
>
> >>>Uh, I don't know. *suspiciously* What's a FOO?

Tammy, a Tom Hulce fan
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/weareallwinners/

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Hi Tammy,

You can read the article (from People Magazine, 12/10/84), along with many
others, at: http://www.geocities.com/~tomhulce/Interviews/People12_10_84.html

As a Tom Hulce fan, I hope you'll enjoy "The Tom Hulce Ultimate Webpage!" :-)

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> > The only interview I remember reading was when Amadeus was being released.
> > It was so long ago, I can't credit the interview but basically she said she
> > loved co-star Thomas Hulce so much, she would "marry him in a second".
> > This in itself is quite incredible because isn't Hulce a FOD?
> >
> > >>>Uh, I don't know. *suspiciously* What's a FOO?
>
> Tammy, a Tom Hulce fan
> http://www.angelfire.com/wa/weareallwinners/
>
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