Norma Shearer and Mickey Rooney
Bill Slattery
Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock! wrote:
>
> Bill Slattery wrote:
>
> > Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock! wrote:
> > >
> > > ...at least their marriage lasted about a decade, which is more than can
> > > be said for the Paul Bern-Jean Harlow fiasco...
> >
> > As I recall, Bern was homosexual and failed to tell Harlow this till
> > their wedding night after which he killed himself? Have I got that
> > right?
>
> ...that was one story; I tend to go with Samuel Marx's theory that
> Bern's mentally unstable ex-wife killed him, planted an old note he had
> written her that passed as a suicide message, and herself headed for (I
> think) Sacramento, where she drowned herself in a river (although that
> last detail I may be cribbing in from something I heard about the
> William Desmond Taylor murder)...
>
> > I just got back from a crossword puzzle tournament where I learned that
> > my brains, of which I used to be a rather proud owner, have fled. Or
> > else I have just run up against 300 of the smartest people on earth.
>
> ...one of my favourite comeback lines was in the movie "ffolkes," wherte
> James Mason says Roger Moore was the type to do the London Times
> crossword puzzle in fifteen minutes, and Moore retorts, "I've *never*
> taken fifteen minutes!"...
Moore announced years ago that he's faithful to his wife! Man's an
utter embarrassment.
ka...@delphi.com
Paul DG <pdelg...@pbs.org> writes:
>> Read the great article in Vanity Fair this month about
>> Hedda Hopper and Louella Parsons, and learned that Mickey
>> "did it" with Norma Shearer! Geez, I know he was a randy
>> little thing (uck) but Norma Shearer! One of the two
>> gossip ladies (forget which) made it public, and as punishment
>> the studio forced Norma to play the "nice" part in THE WOMEN.
.
SNIP
.
>Norma Shearer may not be beautiful by today's standards and even in her
>day she was considered classy and not sultry, but I wouldn't call her
>ugly. I question the validity of Norma being "forced" to play the nice
>part in THE WOMEN. Norma was married to Irving Thalberg who was one of
>the studio heads at MGM. This valuable connection allowed her to win the
>most sympathetic roles in many films (much to the chagrin of her rivals
>such as Joan Crawford). The role of Mary Haines in THE WOMEN is clearly
>the most sympathetic role (by the standards of the day) and given Norma's
>status as a star and clout with MGM, she would have been offered this part
.
Ah no, you misunderstood me. I think Ms. Shearer was a lovely woman.
What I couldn't picture was Mrs. Stephen Haines sleeping with
MICKEY ROONEY! Uck!
.
As for THE WOMEN, the "nice girl" part was the most boring one - nothing
any actress who read that script would choose first. The final scene,
when she throws open her arms and cries "Stephen!" (shudder)
.
My personal favorite scene is when the ladies are doing their
calesthenics and the teacher turns her back and they collapse.
.
That and, of course, JUNGLE RED!
.
kassa
Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!
Bill Slattery wrote:
> Moore announced years ago that he's faithful to his wife! Man's an
> utter embarrassment.
...kinda blows the Bond image outta the water, dunnit?...
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Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!
Bill Slattery wrote:
> Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock! wrote:
> > Bill Slattery wrote:
> > > Moore announced years ago that he's faithful to his wife! Man's an
> > > utter embarrassment.
> > ...kinda blows the Bond image outta the water, dunnit?...
> Yeah. Bring back Flynn and Barrymore and Tyrone Power. Those guys were
> real actors and they did some work as thespians once in a while, too.
^^^^^^^^^
...developing a lisp of sorts, Bill? :-) ...
Bill Slattery
Bill Slattery
>
> ...developing a lisp of sorts, Bill? :-) ...
>
Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!
Bill Slattery wrote:
> > > Yeah. Bring back Flynn and Barrymore and Tyrone Power. Those guys were
> > > real actors and they did some work as thespians once in a while, too.
> > ^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > ...developing a lisp of sorts, Bill? :-) ...
> >
> Watch it, thweety.
...oh, nothing to worry about, a little Ora-Fix and everything'll work
fine again :-) ...
Bill Slattery
Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock! wrote:
>
> Bill Slattery wrote:
>
> > > > Yeah. Bring back Flynn and Barrymore and Tyrone Power. Those guys were
> > > > real actors and they did some work as thespians once in a while, too.
> > > ^^^^^^^^^
> > >
> > > ...developing a lisp of sorts, Bill? :-) ...
> > >
> > Watch it, thweety.
>
> ...oh, nothing to worry about, a little Ora-Fix and everything'll work
> fine again :-) ...
julesdlr
I wrote:
Either Rooney or Jackie Coogan had an affair with Joan Crawford...
Then Daevid MacKenzie wrote:
...actually, that was Jackie *Cooper* (at least according to his own
claims during a Phil Donahue interview a few years back)...
But I say:
Oh, what's a little Uncle Fester between friends?
Sincerely,
Jules
Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!
julesdlr wrote:
> Gossip
> trivia: Either Rooney or Jackie Coogan had an affair with Joan Crawford
> (a.k.a. Crystal Allen) while still in his teens. Apparently Rooney(or
> Coogan) had to check in with his Mom while on dates. While on the phone,
> he referred to as "Mommy, Dearest." Crawford thought the appellation so
> sweet she later made her own kids call her Mommy, dearest. Hence the
> title's of Christina's infamous tome.
...actually, that was Jackie *Cooper* (at least according to his own
claims during a Phil Donahue interview a few years back)...
Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!
Paul DG wrote:
> The role of Mary Haines in THE WOMEN is clearly
> the most sympathetic role (by the standards of the day) and given Norma's
> status as a star and clout with MGM, she would have been offered this part
> no matter what she was doing with Mickey Rourke (and in my opinion, Norma
> could have done better than him).
...HO-LEEEEEEEEE SHIT! Norma Shearer and Mickey ROURKE?!!? Now THERE's a
dream A.S.G couple if ever there were one! ROTFLMAO!!!...
julesdlr
ka...@delphi.com wrote:
>
> Read the great article in Vanity Fair this month about
> Hedda Hopper and Louella Parsons, and learned that Mickey
> "did it" with Norma Shearer! Geez, I know he was a randy
> little thing (uck) but Norma Shearer! One of the two
> gossip ladies (forget which) made it public, and as punishment
> the studio forced Norma to play the "nice" part in THE WOMEN.
> .
I read a bio of Norma (MANY years ago). As I recall, the affair was not
made public (though studio heads did find out about it). Also, her role
in The Women had nothing to do with her relationship with Rooney. Mary
Haines is after all the starring role and though Crystal Allen is the
flashier part, Shearer had a history of playing "noble" types. Gossip
trivia: Either Rooney or Jackie Coogan had an affair with Joan Crawford
(a.k.a. Crystal Allen) while still in his teens. Apparently Rooney(or
Coogan) had to check in with his Mom while on dates. While on the phone,
he referred to as "Mommy, Dearest." Crawford thought the appellation so
sweet she later made her own kids call her Mommy, dearest. Hence the
title's of Christina's infamous tome.
Sincerely,
Jules
ka...@delphi.com
Read the great article in Vanity Fair this month about
Hedda Hopper and Louella Parsons, and learned that Mickey
"did it" with Norma Shearer! Geez, I know he was a randy
little thing (uck) but Norma Shearer! One of the two
gossip ladies (forget which) made it public, and as punishment
the studio forced Norma to play the "nice" part in THE WOMEN.
.
play that role -- either way, Mickey Rooney?!)
Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!
ka...@delphi.com wrote:
...Mickey talked about this a few years ago in an appearance on Phil
Donahue's show...my first reaction was how Mickey felt once he realised
he was having sex with the boss' (Irving Thalberg's) widow...alas, I
wasn't present to ask...oh, well...
Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!
Bill Slattery wrote:
> > ...Mickey talked about this a few years ago in an appearance on Phil
> > Donahue's show...my first reaction was how Mickey felt once he realised
> > he was having sex with the boss' (Irving Thalberg's) widow...alas, I
> > wasn't present to ask...oh, well...
> Thalberg was in exiguous health all his life and in addition to being an
> ill-educated, overbearing, no-talent little prick, he was more or less
> uninterested in sex. Shearer had sex with him about five times during
> thier marriange, according to Shearer. After his death she went on a
> sex binge and fucked everything in sight for a couple of years just to
> make up for all the time wasted with Inving Pencildick.
> Did I mention that I don't like Thalberg?
...not in quite the same terms Erich von Stroheim did, but I think the
idea comes through loud as a Deep Purple concert...
Bill Slattery
> status as a star and clout with MGM, she would have been offered this part
> no matter what she was doing with Mickey Rourke (and in my opinion, Norma
>
Interesting typo.
Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!
julesdlr wrote:
> I wrote:
> Either Rooney or Jackie Coogan had an affair with Joan Crawford...
>
> Then Daevid MacKenzie wrote:
> ...actually, that was Jackie *Cooper* (at least according to his own
> claims during a Phil Donahue interview a few years back)...
>
> But I say:
>
> Oh, what's a little Uncle Fester between friends?
...well, one did get to be an exec at both Columbia and Fox, the other
only got as far as lighting bulbs with his mouth for Carolyn Jones...
Bill Slattery
Michael Ritchie
In article <5gtdqv$o...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> Elaine Gallegos <sat...@primenet.com> writes:
>Ack. Ack. Spit. Splurt...
>Paul DG <pdelg...@pbs.org> wrote:
>: I question the validity of Norma being "forced" to play the nice
>: part in THE WOMEN. Norma was married to Irving Thalberg who was one of
>: the studio heads at MGM. This valuable connection allowed her to win the
>: most sympathetic roles in many films (much to the chagrin of her rivals
>: such as Joan Crawford). The role of Mary Haines in THE WOMEN is clearly
>: the most sympathetic role
I agree. I doubt any other part in the movie would have suited her, and
it was surely a high-profile production for its day that she would have
wanted to be a part of.
>: You gotta love the Divas of the Golden Age of cinema!
Though I don't exactly get them confused, I think of Norma Shearer and
Irene Dunne as the same types. I liked Dunne better; she had
a wider range and her acting has worn over the years much better than
Shearer's (though Shearer was fine in The Women). Anyone know any
dish about Dunne? I know she died just a few years ago but I never
heard much gossip about her.
--M.
Elaine Gallegos
Mickey Rooney did it with everybody. His dick was called the Hollywood
turnstile.
Paul DG <pdelg...@pbs.org> wrote:
: In article <hTP6bS...@delphi.com>, ka...@delphi.com wrote:
: > Read the great article in Vanity Fair this month about
: > Hedda Hopper and Louella Parsons, and learned that Mickey
: > "did it" with Norma Shearer! Geez, I know he was a randy
: > little thing (uck) but Norma Shearer! One of the two
: > gossip ladies (forget which) made it public, and as punishment
: > the studio forced Norma to play the "nice" part in THE WOMEN.
: > .
: > kassa (or maybe they covered it up, and THEN forced her to
: > play that role -- either way, Mickey Rooney?!)
: Norma Shearer may not be beautiful by today's standards and even in her
: day she was considered classy and not sultry, but I wouldn't call her
: ugly. I question the validity of Norma being "forced" to play the nice
: part in THE WOMEN. Norma was married to Irving Thalberg who was one of
: the studio heads at MGM. This valuable connection allowed her to win the
: most sympathetic roles in many films (much to the chagrin of her rivals
: such as Joan Crawford). The role of Mary Haines in THE WOMEN is clearly
: the most sympathetic role (by the standards of the day) and given Norma's
: status as a star and clout with MGM, she would have been offered this part
: no matter what she was doing with Mickey Rourke (and in my opinion, Norma
: could have done better than him). Another interesting anecdote about Ms.
: Norma: after Thalberg died she ran off and married a young ski
: instructor. You gotta love the Divas of the Golden Age of cinema!
: --Paul DG
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Matthew Moore
Paul DG wrote:
>
> no matter what she was doing with Mickey Rourke (and in my opinion, Norma
> could have done better than him).
Mickey Roarke??????
It's an obvious brainout typo, but the mind boggles.
I think Miss Shearer would at least make him take a bath.
As for Miss Shearer and Mickey Rooney, he goes into some detail in
his recent auto-bio, including that she was most fond of performing
fellatio on him in her private dressing room.
MM in SFO
Bob Martin
Elaine Gallegos <sat...@primenet.com> wrote:
>The role of Mary Haines in THE WOMEN is clearly
>: the most sympathetic role (by the standards of the day) and given Norma's
>: status as a star and clout with MGM, she would have been offered this part
>: no matter what she was doing with Mickey Rourke (and in my opinion, Norma
>: could have done better than him). Another interesting anecdote about Ms.
>: Norma: after Thalberg died she ran off and married a young ski
>: instructor. You gotta love the Divas of the Golden Age of cinema!
>
Great slip (not necessarily Freudian) -- mixing up Mickey Rourke and Mickey
Rooney. Of the two, I'll take the shrimp.
Bob Martin
"Have you tried 22 tonight? I said, 22."
Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!
Bob Martin wrote:
> Shearer was married to a studio exec, and I remember reading
> that her husband helped her get the part, which she wanted.
...although it should probably be pointed out (and one of Bill
Slattery's posts further north on this thread alludes to this) that
Shearer had been one of the first stars signed to MGM in the '20s, and
she relentlessly pursued Thalberg, who in turn had an entirely
business-like, *not* emotionally passionate, attitude towards her before
and during their marriage...
...at least their marriage lasted about a decade, which is more than can
be said for the Paul Bern-Jean Harlow fiasco...
Bob Martin
julesdlr <jule...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Also,[Norma Shearer's] role
>in The Women had nothing to do with her relationship with Rooney.
This is true. Shearer was married to a studio exec, and I remember reading
that her husband helped her get the part, which she wanted.
And, after all, somebody had to play the "nice" parts in all those Joan
Crawford movies.
Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!
Bill Slattery wrote:
> > > Did I mention that I don't like Thalberg?
> >
> > ...not in quite the same terms Erich von Stroheim did, but I think the
> > idea comes through loud as a Deep Purple concert...
> >
> Heh heh. Thank you.
...no problem...
Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!
Bill Slattery wrote:
> Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock! wrote:
> >
> > ...at least their marriage lasted about a decade, which is more than can
> > be said for the Paul Bern-Jean Harlow fiasco...
>
> As I recall, Bern was homosexual and failed to tell Harlow this till
> their wedding night after which he killed himself? Have I got that
> right?
...that was one story; I tend to go with Samuel Marx's theory that
Bern's mentally unstable ex-wife killed him, planted an old note he had
written her that passed as a suicide message, and herself headed for (I
think) Sacramento, where she drowned herself in a river (although that
last detail I may be cribbing in from something I heard about the
William Desmond Taylor murder)...
> I just got back from a crossword puzzle tournament where I learned that
> my brains, of which I used to be a rather proud owner, have fled. Or
> else I have just run up against 300 of the smartest people on earth.
...one of my favourite comeback lines was in the movie "ffolkes," wherte
James Mason says Roger Moore was the type to do the London Times
crossword puzzle in fifteen minutes, and Moore retorts, "I've *never*
taken fifteen minutes!"...
Bill Slattery
Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock! wrote:
>
> Bob Martin wrote:
>
> > Shearer was married to a studio exec, and I remember reading
> > that her husband helped her get the part, which she wanted.
>
> Slattery's posts further north on this thread alludes to this) that
> Shearer had been one of the first stars signed to MGM in the '20s, and
> she relentlessly pursued Thalberg, who in turn had an entirely
> business-like, *not* emotionally passionate, attitude towards her before
> and during their marriage...
>
> be said for the Paul Bern-Jean Harlow fiasco...
As I recall, Bern was homosexual and failed to tell Harlow this till
their wedding night after which he killed himself? Have I got that
right? And Thalberg was heterosexual but more or less incapable of
having sex. More or less impotent I think.
Bill Slattery
denn...@aol.com
> Read the great article in Vanity Fair this month about
> Hedda Hopper and Louella Parsons, and learned that Mickey
> "did it" with Norma Shearer! Geez, I know he was a randy
> little thing (uck) but Norma Shearer! One of the two
> gossip ladies (forget which) made it public, and as punishment
> the studio forced Norma to play the "nice" part in THE WOMEN.
> .
> kassa (or maybe they covered it up, and THEN forced her to
> play that role -- either way, Mickey Rooney?!)