Charlton Heston outed?
Max Wallace
Did Roseanne out Charlton Heston in this week's episode where she
jokingly wondered whether she should tell her mother that Heston is gay to
shatter her illusions?
I've seen a number of interviews with Roseanne where she rants about the
hypocrisy of Hollywood's closeted gays but she never names names. Was
this her way of backandedly outing the reactionary actor or was it just a
joke?
Anybody know which way Moses swings?
BLo
It's probably a joke. Because of the recent release of Celluloid Closet, it was
made widely known that in Ben Hur, Stephen Root (?), who played an old friend
of Ben Hur's (CH), was told by Gore Vidal to play it as if the two characters
had once had a romantic relationship and that Root's character wanted to
rekindle their romance. Apparently, everyone in the production except CH knew
about this.
BRONSON SMITH
He refused to allow clips of his portrayal of Michaelangelo in "The Agony
and Esctacy" to be allowed in the "Celluloid Closet" because his (Heston's)
personal research came to the conclusion that Michaelangelo was straight!
Alexandra McConnell Hill
Wallace) writes:
>
>
>Did Roseanne out Charlton Heston in this week's episode where she
>jokingly wondered whether she should tell her mother that Heston is
gay to
>shatter her illusions?
>
>I've seen a number of interviews with Roseanne where she rants about
the
>hypocrisy of Hollywood's closeted gays but she never names names. Was
>this her way of backandedly outing the reactionary actor or was it
just a
>joke?
>
If 'ol Moses is gay, I will turn in my pink flamingos right now. The
guy is up there with Jesse Helms as far as right wing politics goes. I
think it was pure sarcasm on Roseanne's end. ;-)
Frank Morris Miller
>Did Roseanne out Charlton Heston in this week's episode where she
>jokingly wondered whether she should tell her mother that Heston is gay to
>shatter her illusions?
I'm sure it was just a joke on her mother. I hope it was just a joke on
her mother. Let's put it this way, I'm happy to let straightworld have
big Chuck, and if he ever does turn out to be gay, I'll personally pay
for him to go through some bogus conversion program.
Franklin, who's having enough trouble belonging to a club that would have
me as a member.
ASGTPR #18
billie
When I heard that on last nights Rosanne I *knew* someone would post a
message on asg asking if he was gay.
Thank you for reaffirming my faith
Billie
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Soo Lee
wrote:
>
>Did Roseanne out Charlton Heston in this week's episode where she
>jokingly wondered whether she should tell her mother that Heston is gay to
>shatter her illusions?
>
>I've seen a number of interviews with Roseanne where she rants about the
>hypocrisy of Hollywood's closeted gays but she never names names. Was
>this her way of backandedly outing the reactionary actor or was it just a
>joke?
>
>Anybody know which way Moses swings?
If he's gay, he must be THE most closeted gay man in the world (I
mean, NRA spokesman?!).
--
"Charlie Sheen,
Ben Vereen,
Shrink to size of lima bean!"
Reflux
>
> Did Roseanne out Charlton Heston in this week's episode where she
> jokingly wondered whether she should tell her mother that Heston is gay to
> shatter her illusions?
>
> I've seen a number of interviews with Roseanne where she rants about the
> hypocrisy of Hollywood's closeted gays but she never names names. Was
> this her way of backandedly outing the reactionary actor or was it just a
> joke?
>
> Anybody know which way Moses swings?
Well, I can say that he is very buddy-buddy with Pat Robertson
and is a regular on the 700 Club. I very much doubt that he is gay. If
he is, then Pat Robertson will throw him in jail too for tresspassing!
Uncle Pat (who lives just down the road from me in Virginia Beach) is
much anti-gay, so I seriously doubt that Charlton Heston is gay.
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On 10 Apr 1996, BLo wrote:
> ae...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Max Wallace) writes:
>
> Did Roseanne out Charlton Heston in this week's episode where she
> jokingly wondered whether she should tell her mother that Heston is gay to
> shatter her illusions?
>
> I've seen a number of interviews with Roseanne where she rants about the
> hypocrisy of Hollywood's closeted gays but she never names names. Was
> this her way of backandedly outing the reactionary actor or was it just a
> joke?
>
Craig Smith
> Did Roseanne out Charlton Heston in this week's episode where she
> jokingly wondered whether she should tell her mother that Heston is gay to
> shatter her illusions?
>
> I've seen a number of interviews with Roseanne where she rants about the
> hypocrisy of Hollywood's closeted gays but she never names names. Was
> this her way of backandedly outing the reactionary actor or was it just a
> joke?
>
Moses supposes...
No, actually, I think her remark was such a big joke because Heston
has always been so openly, rabidly homophobic. And while such
virulent homophobia is often indicative of overreaction, of running
from one's own feelings, to my knowledge nothing in Heston's behavior,
public or private, has ever been reported as being anything but
straight.
Craig
breathing a sigh of relief; I mean, we don't want another J.Edgar on
our hands
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Susie Macksey
>Did Roseanne out Charlton Heston in this week's episode where she
>jokingly wondered whether she should tell her mother that Heston is gay to
>shatter her illusions?
>
>I've seen a number of interviews with Roseanne where she rants about the
>hypocrisy of Hollywood's closeted gays but she never names names. Was
>this her way of backandedly outing the reactionary actor or was it just a
>joke?
>
>Anybody know which way Moses swings?
If Gore Vidal says you're not gay, you're not gay. Chuck's not gay.
Susie
He does, however, sport a really bad toupee, so he is in the closet about
*something*
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CR Willett
>ae...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Max Wallace) writes:
>>Did Roseanne out Charlton Heston in this week's episode where she
>>jokingly wondered whether she should tell her mother that Heston is gay to
>>shatter her illusions?
Charlton Heston is one of Hollywoods biggest homophobes.
Laughing Madcap
>It's probably a joke. Because of the recent release of Celluloid Closet, it was
>made widely known that in Ben Hur, Stephen Root (?), who played an old friend
>of Ben Hur's (CH), was told by Gore Vidal to play it as if the two characters
>had once had a romantic relationship and that Root's character wanted to
>rekindle their romance. Apparently, everyone in the production except CH knew
>about this.
Is Root or Vidal still alive? I bet Chuck went and bit the crap out of
one or both of them when that story got out.
Laughing Madcap
wrote:
>Is Root or Vidal still alive? I bet Chuck went and bit the crap out of
>one or both of them when that story got out.
Oops. A little Freudian slip there. That should read "beat the crap".
Though I suppose "bit the crap" would somewhat go along with the topic
at hand, eh?
C. Campbell
the 1963 Civil Rights March on Washington at which Martin Luther King gave
his "I Have a Dream" speech.
On 10 Apr 1996, Alexandra McConnell Hill wrote:
> In <4kf63s$s...@freenet-news.carleton.ca> ae...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Max
> Wallace) writes:
> >
> >
> >Did Roseanne out Charlton Heston in this week's episode where she
> >jokingly wondered whether she should tell her mother that Heston is
> gay to
> >shatter her illusions?
> >
> >I've seen a number of interviews with Roseanne where she rants about
> the
> >hypocrisy of Hollywood's closeted gays but she never names names. Was
> >this her way of backandedly outing the reactionary actor or was it
> just a
> >joke?
> >
> >Anybody know which way Moses swings?
>
Joel DeVries
>>ae...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Max Wallace) writes:
>>>Did Roseanne out Charlton Heston in this week's episode where she
>>>jokingly wondered whether she should tell her mother that Heston is gay to
>>>shatter her illusions?
>Charlton Heston is one of Hollywoods biggest homophobes.
Does knowing that homosexuality is wrong, mean your a homophobe? I'm
not scared of homosexuals, it's just that I think everybody should
take care of their bodies and since the average life span of a
homosexual is around 40, come on..... lemmings jump off the cliffs of
dover. I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
Leslie Devlin
> I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
Why don't you go ahead and do that, then, and save us the trouble of
pushing you?
-Leslie (and what's with this "average lifespan" crap?)
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Susie Macksey
<snip>
>>Charlton Heston is one of Hollywoods biggest homophobes.
>Does knowing that homosexuality is wrong, mean your a homophobe? I'm
>not scared of homosexuals, it's just that I think everybody should
>take care of their bodies and since the average life span of a
>homosexual is around 40, come on..... lemmings jump off the cliffs of
>dover. I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
Please please please please please let's cheat this obvious troll of the hate
and enmity on which he feeds. RUIN HIS WHOLE FUCKING DAY -- IGNORE HIM.
Susie
Oh, I know it's too late already, but at least I tried
Matt and Miriam Moore
>Heston wasn't always or is not steadily a right-wing fascist: he was at
>the 1963 Civil Rights March on Washington at which Martin Luther King gave
>his "I Have a Dream" speech.
And is a staunch defender of the NEA.
While I detest most of his political stands, I have to go with the
Voltaire thing on this one. Chuck says what he believes and is
willing to take the heat for it. He also DOES not let it affect his
work....frrrinstance he says that the best actress he has ever worked
with is Vanessa Redgrave. He acknowledges obvious political
differences but is able to work with her and admire her.
He also does those "Plant a tree for America" spots which I see a
lot when I'm up watching too late watching TV.
My best friend has always had a major crush on him.
Miriam
Showing of "The Naked Jungle" at #155 tonight with discussion to
follow.
Possible co-feature "Them"
Malfouf al-Makboos
<snip>
>>Charlton Heston is one of Hollywoods biggest homophobes.
>Does knowing that homosexuality is wrong, mean your a
homophobe? I'm
>not scared of homosexuals, it's just that I think everybody
should
>take care of their bodies and since the average life span of a
>homosexual is around 40, come on..... lemmings jump off the
cliffs of
>dover. I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
Quite right! Couldn't have said it better myself! If being
critical of the homosexual deathstyle makes one a homophobe,
then I'll gladly say it, "I'm a homophobe!!!"
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What a scream! (NPI) I can just imagine the researcher scrambling for
ways to appease Heston just long enough to get a paycheque.
"It's as you suspected, Mr. Heston. Michaelangelo was indeed One of The
Guys!" "Looks like he was a real Man's Man, Mr. Heston!"
(That researcher later went on to prove that Toulouse Latrec was tall.)
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Joel DeVries <jdev...@netins.net> wrote:
>Does knowing that homosexuality is wrong, mean your a homophobe?
Does anyone else here just love the Beatles Anthologies? I mean,
I may not be playing them in five years, but right now, I have
them on the CD player all the time. Hearing what are in some
cases radically different versions of familiar and much-loved
songs is like having the Beatles back with new, wonderful music.
I've even started humming the alternate versions of some of the
songs, like Strawberry Fields with its verses in different order.
And the version of Tomorrow Never Knows sounds like a hip-hop
tune just recorded yesterday by Prince (excuse me, Squiggle) or
PM Dawn. Revelatory.
--M.
Joel DeVries
>jdev...@netins.net (Joel DeVries) wrote:
>> I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
>Why don't you go ahead and do that, then, and save us the trouble of
>pushing you?
I won't have to, I'm not a homosexual. Anyway, I'm looking forward to
a nice clean, long lifespan something most homosexuals can't look
forward to.
>-Leslie (and what's with this "average lifespan" crap?)
It's true. Reported in many periodicals and by scientific
organizations. The expected lifespan of most, if not all homosexuals
is around 40 years old. This "crap" is the results of their lifestyle
they choose to live, which Roseanne touts.
When Roseanne starts cutting down fine upstanding heterosexuals like
Charlton Heston, it means she has run out of substantive things to say
and starts blurting out mindless sounds of her own stupidity.
Joey M.
Devlin) wrote:
>-Leslie (and what's with this "average lifespan" crap?)
Why, Leslie, it's a petty, childish way of causing a stir around here.
Don't buy into it, hon, he's not worth it.
~~~~~~~~~~
Joey the asg 'hoey
ASGTRP# 3
Joey's Smug, Self-Satisfied Homepage
http://miso.wwa.com/~jmbomb/
Dan Savage
>It's true. Reported in many periodicals and by scientific
>organizations. The expected lifespan of most, if not all homosexuals
>is around 40 years old.
Yeah, right. More likely they're not saying they're any *older* than 40.
Just like my mom is still 29.
BLo
Only coming through in waves, b...@us.oracle.com (BLo) wrote:
It's probably a joke. Because of the recent release of Celluloid Closet, it
was made widely known that in Ben Hur, Stephen Root (?), who played an old
friend of Ben Hur's (CH), was told by Gore Vidal to play it as if the two
characters had once had a romantic relationship and that Root's character
wanted to rekindle their romance. Apparently, everyone in the production
except CH knew about this.
Is Root or Vidal still alive? I bet Chuck went and bit the crap out of
one or both of them when that story got out.
First off, correcting myself, it's Stephen Boyd (Stephen Root plays the boss on
Newsradio). As to your questions, Vidal is still alive, and I don't know about
Boyd. Vidal made the comment quite a few years ago (the first edition of
Celluloid Closet came out in the early 80s, so it's been at least that long),
and I believe Heston's reaction was to simply deny it and not address it any
further.
David Migicovsky
>In article <4kogtb$q...@insosf1.netins.net>, jdev...@netins.net says...
>>
>>It's true. Reported in many periodicals and by scientific
>>organizations. The expected lifespan of most, if not all homosexuals
>>is around 40 years old.
>
the
>Rush Limbaugh show? In any case, I'd *love* to see a citation of where
this
>statistic was quoted. If it's been quoted in so many periodicals, you
should
>be able to do this. Name of the periodical, date, and EXACT quote - with
the
>methodological date to back it up, too.
All of this crap is taken from the rantings of Paul Cameron, who was
expelled from the APA in 1983 for misrepresenting and distorting other
peoples' psychological research and using it to sensationalize his point
of view on homosexuals.
Please link to http://abacus.oxy.edu/qrd/www/RRR/cameron.html for more
information on this fraudulent quack.
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Lee Weiser
>From: jdev...@netins.net (Joel DeVries)
>Subject: Re: Charlton Heston outed?
>Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:24:56 GMT
>lde...@gslis.utexas.edu (Leslie Devlin) wrote:
>>jdev...@netins.net (Joel DeVries) wrote:
>>> I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
>>Why don't you go ahead and do that, then, and save us the trouble of
>>pushing you?
>I won't have to, I'm not a homosexual. Anyway, I'm looking forward to
>a nice clean, long lifespan something most homosexuals can't look
>forward to.
>>-Leslie (and what's with this "average lifespan" crap?)
>It's true. Reported in many periodicals and by scientific
>organizations. The expected lifespan of most, if not all homosexuals
>is around 40 years old. This "crap" is the results of their lifestyle
>they choose to live, which Roseanne touts.
Sorry, Joel buit it's *NOT* true! Care to list these supposed periodicals and
scientific journals that said such bullshit? The asshole who did this "study",
Dr. Paul Cameron, has been discredited (so has his study) for blatantly lying
and falsifying the evidence.
Also, it is *NOT* a choice!!!!!!
Lee Weiser
>From: dmig...@interlog.com (David Migicovsky)
>Subject: Re: Charlton Heston outed?
<Jeff's good line of questioning snipped>
>All of this crap is taken from the rantings of Paul Cameron, who was
>expelled from the APA in 1983 for misrepresenting and distorting other
>peoples' psychological research and using it to sensationalize his point
>of view on homosexuals.
>Please link to http://abacus.oxy.edu/qrd/www/RRR/cameron.html for more
>information on this fraudulent quack.
Thank you David for posting that URL. I was trying to find it and you saved me
the trouble of digging through a pile of paperwork. Alas, I have a feeling tho
that Sir Joel will find something wrong with it.
--Lee
Jeff Kirk
10233...@CompuServe.COM says...
>
>Joel DeVries <jdev...@netins.net,Internet> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>>Charlton Heston is one of Hollywoods biggest homophobes.
>>not scared of homosexuals, it's just that I think everybody
>should
>>take care of their bodies and since the average life span of a
>>homosexual is around 40, come on..... lemmings jump off the
>cliffs of
>>dover. I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
>
> Quite right! Couldn't have said it better myself! If being
>critical of the homosexual deathstyle makes one a homophobe,
>then I'll gladly say it, "I'm a homophobe!!!"
Yes, I think it's quite safe to say that being critical of the "homosexual
deathstyle" makes you a homophobe. Of course, you assume yet again that:
a) homosexuality is a choice
b) all homosexuals are promiscuous practice unsafe sex and are high-risk
candidates for AIDS
c) heterosexuals don't get AIDS
All of the above are 100% unequivocably false, except maybe in that alternate
universe called Subbieland you apparently reside in. Funny how you show so
much compassion for the little girl who died in a plane crash; if she'd died
of AIDS you probably would have loved to have been at her deathbed shouting,
"Ha ha ha! You deserve it, you sick little bitch! I'll bet you're a closet
queer just like the rest of the 'heterosexuals' who died of AIDS!"
Jeff
Jeff Kirk
>organizations. The expected lifespan of most, if not all homosexuals
>is around 40 years old.
Why do I somehow suspect this is one of the "periodicals" often quoted on the
Rush Limbaugh show? In any case, I'd *love* to see a citation of where this
statistic was quoted. If it's been quoted in so many periodicals, you should
be able to do this. Name of the periodical, date, and EXACT quote - with the
methodological date to back it up, too. However, since I have yet
to see this statistic cited ANYWHERE - and trust me, I read a lot, though I'm
guessing you'd love to insert a comment like "yeah, probably fag magazines"
here so I'll say I read substantive publications like the New York Times,
Newsweek, and Time, among many others - I, like any other sane individual,
will continue to consider your "statistic" as a crock of shit.
>This "crap" is the results of their lifestyle they choose to live, which
>Roseanne touts.
So how do you know people "choose" to live this lifestyle, even though any
reputable scientist or sociologist will tell you homosexuality is NOT a
"lifestyle choice" but rather a natural part of existence either
predetermined at birth or determined early in life by sociological factors?
Do you know it's true because Rush Limbaugh or Pat Buchanan SAYS it's true?
Have you ever even met a homosexual? (somehow I doubt it) And please don't
come back with a comment like "queers grow up in perverted households" or
something like that, given that your beloved Newt Gingrich has a gay sister.
Jeff
Carolyn Poulter
>>Charlton Heston is one of Hollywoods biggest homophobes.
>Does knowing that homosexuality is wrong, mean your a homophobe? I'm
>not scared of homosexuals, it's just that I think everybody should
>take care of their bodies and since the average life span of a
>homosexual is around 40, come on..... lemmings jump off the cliffs of
>dover. I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
>
Well I know nothing about Charlton Heston but I would be interested
to know where you get the 'average life span of homosexuals is
40' info comes from. But even all of that aside......Lemmings off
the cliffs of Dover???? If for some reason you do decide on
suicide and decide on Dover, don't worry, you might get killed
by a particularly nasty dump from a passing seagull, maybe even
a bit of second hand pollution from the Channel....but I promise,
there won;t be a lemming in sight...so you won't get trampled to death!
Nobody wants to die of aids, but a hell of a lot of people are going to
unfortunately, and a hell of a lot of them are NOT homosexual. I find
it staggering that people still equate the two.
Will get back off high horse now and go back to lurking where I belong :)
--
Carolyn
David Barrett
>Joel DeVries <jdev...@netins.net,Internet> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>Does knowing that homosexuality is wrong, mean your a
>homophobe? I'm
>>not scared of homosexuals, it's just that I think everybody
>should
>>take care of their bodies and since the average life span of a
>>homosexual is around 40, come on..... lemmings jump off the
>cliffs of
>>dover. I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
>
>critical of the homosexual deathstyle makes one a homophobe,
>then I'll gladly say it, "I'm a homophobe!!!"
>
Using that line of thinking, I guess they call it the heterosexual deathstyle
in Africa. If being critical of the heterosexual deathstyle makes one a
heterophobe, then I'll gladly say it, "I'm a heterophobe!!!"
Could we please talk about the hidden gay agenda next?
- dave
(who thinks you should get a clue)
Julie Waters
>On Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:24:56 GMT, jdev...@netins.net (Joel DeVries) wrote:
>
>>It's true. Reported in many periodicals and by scientific
>>organizations. The expected lifespan of most, if not all homosexuals
>>is around 40 years old.
>
>Yeah, right. More likely they're not saying they're any *older* than 40.
>
>Just like my mom is still 29.
I'll make this short and quick since this isn't really relevant to either
newsgroup in which it's being posted:
The "40-year lifespan" figure about homosexuals originated with Paul
Cameron, a bit of a loon who was expelled from the APA because he
misrepresented several studies to support his own agenda. Cameron based
his studies on surveys taken from gay bathhouses in San Francisco (a
rather nonrandom sample) and there is no evidence that they have any basis
whatsoever in fact.
--Julie
--
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Jeff Kirk
mrit...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu says...
>
>I may not be playing them in five years, but right now, I have
>them on the CD player all the time. Hearing what are in some
>cases radically different versions of familiar and much-loved
>songs is like having the Beatles back with new, wonderful music.
>I've even started humming the alternate versions of some of the
>songs, like Strawberry Fields with its verses in different order.
>And the version of Tomorrow Never Knows sounds like a hip-hop
>tune just recorded yesterday by Prince (excuse me, Squiggle) or
>PM Dawn. Revelatory.
Why yes, Michael, I thought the Beatles Anthologies albums were simply
smashing, though I think I like Live at the BBC a little better. "Real Love"
was rather disappointing though, IMO, plus all the oldies stations here
played it to death, along with "Free As A BIrd" (a considerably better song
than the other, I should mention).
Jeff
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wrote:
>is around 40 years old. This "crap" is the results of their lifestyle
>they choose to live, which Roseanne touts.
>
>When Roseanne starts cutting down fine upstanding heterosexuals like
>Charlton Heston, it means she has run out of substantive things to say
>and starts blurting out mindless sounds of her own stupidity.
I knew there was a reason I liked Roseanne, who is the real upstanding
heterosexual , especially compared to Heston!!!! Heston lives in a
world filled with lies and tight, suffocating restrictions on others,
while Roseanne dares us to look to the truth!
I find it shocking that such ignorance as stated by Joel about
Homosexuality exists in the 90s! <sigh> I still don't know where he
came up with the life expectancy crap. If it is due to the fact that
AIDS first affected the gay population in the US, he needs to educate
himself about the situation in Africa where being heterosexual means
the less likelihood of living past 40 due to AIDS!
Nancy who can't handle such stupidity after burying a friend
yesterday who died of AIDS.....the world is minus a creative,
intelligent and loving being!
Malfouf al-Makboos
:da...@tiac.net (Dan Savage) wrote:
:
:>On Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:24:56 GMT, jdev...@netins.net (Joel DeVries) wrote:
:>
:>>It's true. Reported in many periodicals and by scientific
:>>organizations. The expected lifespan of most, if not all homosexuals
:>
:>Yeah, right. More likely they're not saying they're any *older* than 40.
:>
:>Just like my mom is still 29.
:
:I'll make this short and quick since this isn't really relevant to either
:newsgroup in which it's being posted:
:
: The "40-year lifespan" figure about homosexuals originated with Paul
:Cameron, a bit of a loon who was expelled from the APA because he
:misrepresented several studies to support his own agenda. Cameron based
:his studies on surveys taken from gay bathhouses in San Francisco (a
:rather nonrandom sample) and there is no evidence that they have any basis
:whatsoever in fact.
:
:--Julie
This reminds me of the faulty methodology of AIDS "activists" who
claim that AIDS is a heterosexual disease by quoting studies of Thai
prostitutes (a rather nonrandom sample, unless one assumes all women
in Asia are prostitutes, a rather rather racist assumption, no?)
Clearly, these people are misrepresenting the facts to support their
own agenda, and there is no evidence that their claims that AIDS is
a heterosexual disease in Asia have any basis whatsoever in fact.
Malfouf al-Makboos
:Yes, I think it's quite safe to say that being critical of the "homosexual
:deathstyle" makes you a homophobe. Of course, you assume yet again that:
:
:a) homosexuality is a choice
No, it's a mental illness. They can't help what they do, so I would
suggest they be confined to mental institutions to prevent them
from harming themselves by spreading AIDS to one another.
:b) all homosexuals are promiscuous practice unsafe sex and are high-risk
:candidates for AIDS
You are right. This is untrue. I would substitute the word "most"
for all. Let's use reductio ad absurdum to prove that this is true:
The converse statement would be:
"Most homosexuals are monogamous, practice safe sex and are low risk
candidates for AIDS".
So, are homosexuals low risk candidates for AIDS? NO WAY, JOSE !!!!
:c) heterosexuals don't get AIDS
This is an ambiguous statement. Of course many heterosexuals get
AIDS. However, VAST majority of them are IV drug users. If you mean
that AIDS is also spread heterosexually, it is, but VERY RARELY.
AIDS is primarily a disease of homosexuals and IV drug users.
Only in this Jeffy-world you live in is AIDS and equal opportunity
killer.
Rusty Wilson
writes:
>
>tw...@cswnet.com (Laughing Madcap) writes:
>
>First off, correcting myself, it's Stephen Boyd (Stephen Root plays
the boss on
>Newsradio). As to your questions, Vidal is still alive, and I don't
know about
>Boyd. Vidal made the comment quite a few years ago (the first edition
of
>Celluloid Closet came out in the early 80s, so it's been at least that
long),
>and I believe Heston's reaction was to simply deny it and not address
it any
>further.
Stephen Boyd, a great Irish actor, (1928-1977) died from a heart
attack. His final TV appearance was on Hawaii 5-0.
Joey M.
wrote:
>Thank you David for posting that URL. I was trying to find it and you saved me
>the trouble of digging through a pile of paperwork. Alas, I have a feeling that
>that Sir Joel will find something wrong with it.
>
>--Lee
Guys.
Sir Joel isn't gonna listen to or comprehend a goddamn word you type.
Save it. It's all very eloquent and well-said, but just ignore the
fuck. Listen, I and all my friends (as well as most of y'all out
there in Internet Land) have been living the Homosexual Lifestyle and
we are all quite happy and very healthy. That fact alone contradicts
everything these sorry gentlemen rant about. I needn't say a word and
neither should you. So let them foam at the mouth, all they do is
reveal their own warped emotional baggage, as sad, scary and
ridiculous as it is. Their words say absolutely nothing about gay men
and everything about themselves. So keep typing Joel, keep rambling
Malfool, you accomplish nothing. Me, I'm meeting my friends down at a
friendly gay bar downtown, it's Sing-Along Night. "These boots are
made for walking..."
Oh BTW, this is being cross-posted to alt.tv.roseanne, a newsgroup
that, of course, PALES in comparison to alt.showbiz.gossip! Bring it
on, Fuckers! We ain't a-scared!
Malfouf al-Makboos
:here so I'll say I read substantive publications like the New
:York Times,
:Newsweek, and Time, among many others - I, like any other sane
Amazing how someone can read so much and yet be
so ignorant.
Anima
>Nobody wants to die of aids, but a hell of a lot of people are going to
>unfortunately, and a hell of a lot of them are NOT homosexual. I find
>it staggering that people still equate the two.
It's because people still equate the two that more and more "straight"
people will die, and it's why teenager's are getting aids and dropping
like flies. "A virus has no morals."
--
an...@io.com When making public policy decisions about new technologies
for the Government, I think one should ask oneself which technologies would
best strengthen the hand of a police state. Then, do not allow the Government
to deploy those technologies. --Philip Zimmermann
ECWhitley
DeVries) writes:
>
>>Charlton Heston is one of Hollywoods biggest homophobes.
>Does knowing that homosexuality is wrong, mean your a homophobe? I'm
>not scared of homosexuals, it's just that I think everybody should
>take care of their bodies and since the average life span of a
>homosexual is around 40, come on..... lemmings jump off the cliffs of
>dover. I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
>
>
>
Tell me how often do Lesbians die of AIDS?
Prove to me that the average life span of someone gay is age 40. I don't
believe it.
What's wrong is denying civil rights to people based on who they
love.--Eva Whitley
P.S. Lemmings don't dive off cliffs. Look it up in INPONDERABLES if you
like.
Eva Whitley (ECWh...@AOL.COM)
Patricia Greig
Malfouf al-Makboos (10233...@CompuServe.COM) writes:
> Jeffy Kirk wrote:
> :here so I'll say I read substantive publications like the New
> :York Times,
> :Newsweek, and Time, among many others - I, like any other sane
>
> Amazing how someone can read so much and yet be
> so ignorant.
>
put forth your position on one subject, a venereal disease, and
you've decided that any soul that doesn't agree with you has
been a dupe, or a victim of propaganda. Why go on? There must
be newsgroups devoted to the subject of immunology or disease
pathology. If you wish to discuss your views on retro-viruses,
find an appropriate forum.
The only reason that I can think of as to why you persist
here in a.s.g is to antagonise. It's not to supply gossip or
innuendo, or even witty reparte'e. If you thought you had been
hounded out of the newsgroup, there are more constructive ways
to justify your place. So you disagree with what others have
stated about a subject; our experiences and upbringing colour
our judgement. That's a given.
Ignorance is relative. Some would say you demonstrate
it yourself. I'm about to go to work and make my living doing
so.
ObGossipAcademia: Canucks may recall the story of the Concordia
professor (Montre'al, Que'bec), Valery Fabrikant, who became
so enraged about publishing dishonesty in his department
(Mechanical Engineering) that, well, 'the homecoming queen
got a gun.' He's still publishing articles, even as he spends
his remaining years inside Donnaconna Jail: "Complete
solution to the problem of an external circular crack in a
transversely isotropic body subjected to arbitrary shear
loading," in a recent edition of 'International Journal of
Solids and Structures.'
Sounds like he's been studying the bars of his cell.
Didn't say it was good gossip, just gossip.
"Who the gods wish to destroy they first make a mini-series for."
- J. Burchill
Lee Weiser
>From: jmb...@wwa.com (Joey M.)
>Subject: Re: Charlton Heston outed?
<My very oen post lovingly munched>
>Sir Joel isn't gonna listen to or comprehend a goddamn word you type.
>Save it. It's all very eloquent and well-said, but just ignore the
>fuck. Listen, I and all my friends (as well as most of y'all out
>there in Internet Land) have been living the Homosexual Lifestyle and
>we are all quite happy and very healthy. That fact alone contradicts
>everything these sorry gentlemen rant about. I needn't say a word and
>neither should you. So let them foam at the mouth, all they do is
>reveal their own warped emotional baggage, as sad, scary and
>ridiculous as it is. Their words say absolutely nothing about gay men
>and everything about themselves. So keep typing Joel, keep rambling
>Malfool, you accomplish nothing. Me, I'm meeting my friends down at a
>friendly gay bar downtown, it's Sing-Along Night. "These boots are
>made for walking..."
>Oh BTW, this is being cross-posted to alt.tv.roseanne, a newsgroup
>that, of course, PALES in comparison to alt.showbiz.gossip! Bring it
>on, Fuckers! We ain't a-scared!
Joey -
I'm sure idiot-children like Sir Joel and Subtotal the Resident Limp
Vegetable won't get a clue, I just do it for the lurkers who maybe out there
that are gay and are trying to come to terms with their orientation. The more
real, truthful information that is out there for them to read and have as
resources, the better so the bullshit that is spewed from the likes of
the aforementioned twits won't do damage. Also, I like to add to the fight in
destroying ignorance.
--Lee
Joel DeVries
>da...@tiac.net (Dan Savage) wrote:
>>On Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:24:56 GMT, jdev...@netins.net (Joel DeVries) wrote:
>>
>>>It's true. Reported in many periodicals and by scientific
>>>organizations. The expected lifespan of most, if not all homosexuals
>>>is around 40 years old.
>>
>>Yeah, right. More likely they're not saying they're any *older* than 40.
>>
>>Just like my mom is still 29.
>I'll make this short and quick since this isn't really relevant to either
>newsgroup in which it's being posted:
Is the homosexual agenda relevant to the "Roesanne" show?
> The "40-year lifespan" figure about homosexuals originated with Paul
>Cameron, a bit of a loon who was expelled from the APA because he
>misrepresented several studies to support his own agenda. Cameron based
>his studies on surveys taken from gay bathhouses in San Francisco (a
>rather nonrandom sample) and there is no evidence that they have any basis
>whatsoever in fact.
>--Julie
>--
>ju...@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu http://drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu/~julie
Andy Domonkos
:
: Does anyone else here just love the Beatles Anthologies? I mean,
: I may not be playing them in five years, but right now, I have
: them on the CD player all the time. Hearing what are in some
: cases radically different versions of familiar and much-loved
Damn, I got me a dern hang nail...
Michael S Ritchie
Hey, you know-nothing smegma-breath, the homosexual agenda is
relevant to EVERYTHING that has to do with life, society, and
the pursuit of happiness. Though I admit I've never heard
of the "Roesanne" show; is that anything like the "Roseanne" show?
--Senator Airkiss
Greg Diamond
Joel DeVries <jdev...@netins.net> wrote:
>Does knowing that homosexuality is wrong, mean your a homophobe? I'm
>not scared of homosexuals, it's just that I think everybody should
>take care of their bodies and since the average life span of a
>homosexual is around 40, come on..... lemmings jump off the cliffs of
>dover. I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
Hey, forget that "average lifespan of homosexuals is 40" canard; I just
want a reference for that "lemmings jump off the cliffs of Dover" claim.
As for the last statement, Joel, don't worry -- you can do both.
Now be nice or I'll mention the spelling and comma use in your first line.
--
<><><> "We've got politicians running their campaigns on corporate cash
Greg<> Don't you think they'll be kissing that corporation's ass?"
<>/\<> -- Iris DeMent
<>\/<> (paraphrased from her forthcoming album)
Laughing Madcap
<bro...@pathway1.pathcom.com> wrote:
>He refused to allow clips of his portrayal of Michaelangelo in "The Agony
>and Esctacy" to be allowed in the "Celluloid Closet" because his (Heston's)
>personal research came to the conclusion that Michaelangelo was straight!
Did old Chuch actually read any of Michaelangelo's own writings?
Although he never openly said which side his bread is buttered on, he
did write at great lengths about the beauty of the male form, but had
little if any opinion on the female body.
Jack
gdia...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Greg Diamond) wrote:
>Hey, forget that "average lifespan of homosexuals is 40" canard; I
>just want a reference for that "lemmings jump off the cliffs of
>Dover" claim.
Lemmings only commit mass suicide when they've been stampeded by the
documentary crew filming them. It made for more exciting footage, you
see.
Jeff Kirk
10233...@CompuServe.COM says...
>
>Jeffy Kirk wrote:
>:here so I'll say I read substantive publications like the New
>:York Times,
>:Newsweek, and Time, among many others - I, like any other sane
>
> Amazing how someone can read so much and yet be
>so ignorant.
Praytell, what subjects am I so "ignorant" about? You mean the "real" story
about AIDS, how it's a gay-only disease that has no relevance to the
heterosexual population of the world? You mean about how homosexuals choose
to be deviant and thus deserve to die of AIDS?
Amazing...getting a lecture on ignorance from someone who gets all his
information on the world from listening to Pat Buchanan speeches.
Jeff
Susie Macksey
>In article <4ku0d2$6...@insosf1.netins.net>,
>Joel DeVries <jdev...@netins.net> wrote:
>>
>>Is the homosexual agenda relevant to the "Roesanne" show?
>
>Hey, you know-nothing smegma-breath, the homosexual agenda is
>relevant to EVERYTHING that has to do with life, society, and
>the pursuit of happiness. Though I admit I've never heard
>of the "Roesanne" show; is that anything like the "Roseanne" show?
The Homosexual Agenda? What is that, a socially deviant Day Planner? Where
do I get one?
Susie
Trying to manage her time queerly
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Carolyn Poulter
>Carolyn Poulter <apou...@mail.MTS.Net> writes:
>
>>Nobody wants to die of aids, but a hell of a lot of people are going to
>>unfortunately, and a hell of a lot of them are NOT homosexual. I find
>>it staggering that people still equate the two.
>
>It's because people still equate the two that more and more "straight"
>people will die, and it's why teenager's are getting aids and dropping
>like flies. "A virus has no morals."
>
people equate homosexual = AIDS. I have three sons. I have
done my utmost to educate them on all the aspects of danger
- AIDS being just one. I am constantly trying to educate myself too.
One of my sons is gay. One is not and one is too young to care about
anything other than baseball and hockey right now so who knows :)
I worry and nag and lecture my older sons just the same....hey
it's what a mother is for right?....... I have a bit of a funny
background, being British, grew up all over, lived in the US (midwest
bible belt) and now Canada.....the most 'amusing' (yes I am being a
a bit dry here) was the US midwest.....very right wing, very blinkered
..would not listen to my hopes of education of the local highschoolers
about aids etc......and yet screwing around left right and centre!!
I mean it was "Change partners and dance with me!' every couple of weeks.
and that was the adults.....they all swear their kids don't do that....
like the back of a car isn't on the official curriculum :)
so, thanks for answering my post......maybe slowly we can get through
to people ? and oh well have a bit of fun and gossip too :)
Carolyn
Emma
>>>> At the New York Film Festival screening of the Celluloid Closet last fall,
the film's producer spoke about Heston's refusal to let the film-makers
use a clip from "Tthe Agony and the Esctacy." He said that Heston wrote
them a long letter explaining that he determined that Michaelangelo was
straight after reading all of his original letters that had been saved and collected.
Everyone in the audience had a hearty laugh at the thought that Heston had
become expert enough in the ancient Italian language of Michaelangelo's time
to have mastered the letter's contents so thoroughly.
emma
Hey GAllen
Agony
>>and Esctacy" to be allowed in the "Celluloid Closet" because his
(Heston's)
>>personal research came to the conclusion that Michaelangelo was
straight!
>
>Did old Chuch actually read any of Michaelangelo's own writings?
>Although he never openly said which side his bread is buttered on
>
That's the beautiful part about it. Although armies of scholars and
specialists cannot conclude definitively on Michelangelo's sexuality (as
such a thing existed in the 16th century), Heston KNOWS FOR SURE. Maybe
it was a burning bush that told him...
BTW, Heston has some great, bitter letters to the LA Times about Mich. and
about Gore Vidal's Ben Hur story. Heston claims Vidal was passing through
Rome during the filming and ran into Willy Wilder on the street.
Apparetnyl Heston KNOWS Vidal is NOT a writer at all...
greg allen
images of Charlton Heston talking to his gas fireplace
Lee Weiser
>From: jdev...@netins.net (Joel DeVries)
>Subject: Re: Charlton Heston outed?
<Julie's post snipped>
>Is the homosexual agenda relevant to the "Roesanne" show?
Really? An agenda? Gee! Why is it that the only people who know this agenda
are the homophobes?
--Lee
Joel DeVries
Joel DeVries
>In article <4ku0d2$6...@insosf1.netins.net>,
>Joel DeVries <jdev...@netins.net> wrote:
>>
>>Is the homosexual agenda relevant to the "Roesanne" show?
>Hey, you know-nothing smegma-breath, the homosexual agenda is
>relevant to EVERYTHING that has to do with life, society, and
>the pursuit of happiness. Though I admit I've never heard
>of the "Roesanne" show; is that anything like the "Roseanne" show?
Okay, Okay, so I'm not a perfect speller, but why do you say the
homosexual agenda is relevant to EVERYTHING if they are such a tiny
minority in the every day world of " LIFE and COMMON SENSE" ?
>--Senator Airkiss
Greg Diamond
Joel DeVries <jdev...@netins.net> wrote:
>az...@azstarnet.com (Lee Weiser) wrote:
>>Really? An agenda? Gee! Why is it that the only people who know this agenda
>>are the homophobes?
>What is a homophobe?
It's a groub of letters prodoudced the sabe as adother group of letters.
(Pardod be, I hab a coad.)
If you had a dictioning, if you knew what a dictionary was, you could
probably look within it and see your picture under the definition of
homophobe, dimwit. Now why don't you respond to my earlier responses,
where I give your bottom the flaying you seem to crave?
--
<><><> "We've got politicians running their campaigns on corporate cash
Greg<> And you just know they'll be kissing that corporation's ass."
<>/\<>
<>\/<> (paraphrased from her forthcoming album) -- Iris DeMent
har...@ibm.net
>
>The Homosexual Agenda? What is that, a socially deviant Day Planner? Where
>do I get one?
>
>Susie
>Trying to manage her time queerly
No, no....you're thinking of the homosexual day-timer. The homosexual
agenda is what follows the reading of the minutes from the last
meeting.
Harvey
Some meetings even formally "adopt" the agenda
Coronal
> Does knowing that homosexuality is wrong, mean your a homophobe?
right for some, just as heterosexuality is for you. "Nuff said.
>I'm not scared of homosexuals,it's just that I think everybody should
> take care of their bodies
I'll bet that you're writing this while scarfing down a chili
cheeseburger and a few cold brews. After you're done here, you'll sit
back, grab your remote, and watch the tube.
>and since the average life span of a homosexual is around 40,
Pure B.S. You're probably quoting from that discredited moron, Paul
Cameron.
>come on..... lemmings jump off the cliffs of dover.
No, they don't. They don't live anywhere near England.
>I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
Given the fact that the new case rate is increasing faster among hets
than among gays, you may yet face that choice.
Joey M.
>In <751894494...@vine.org>, su...@vine.org (Susie Macksey) writes:
>>
>>The Homosexual Agenda? What is that, a socially deviant Day Planner? Where
>>do I get one?
>>
>>Susie
>>Trying to manage her time queerly
>
>No, no....you're thinking of the homosexual day-timer. The homosexual
>agenda is what follows the reading of the minutes from the last
>meeting.
>
>Harvey
What is all this DAY stuff? More like a Night-Planner. We
homosexuals hardly do anything when the sun shines, what with all the
fucking and sucking we do in the dark. What was it according to Joel,
a million partners per year or something like that? Oh jeez, the work
I gotta do to keep the average up! Lesse, I have a rimming scheduled
for 11, jizm swallowing for 11:05... Where I'm gonna fit in that
fisting is anyone's guess!
Michael S Ritchie
Joel DeVries <jdev...@netins.net> wrote:
>Okay, Okay, so I'm not a perfect speller, but why do you say the
>homosexual agenda is relevant to EVERYTHING if they are such a tiny
>minority in the every day world of " LIFE and COMMON SENSE" ?
Because:
1) Societies wind up being judged largely on how they treat
the minorities that exist within their realm.
2) You may not know it, but you know several homosexuals.
3) Homosexuals, we are told time and time again, run the
entertainment and fashion industries--think about how
much time you spend being entertained and wearing clothes.
Get it, Joel? No, I'm afraid you never will, since you're obviously
a closet case of the highest degree (since those who spend the most
time and effort battling the "homosexual agenda" are actually the
ones who are most afraid that they may be part of that agenda).
------------------------------------------------------------
|| Michael Ritchie // mrit...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ||
|| Just another disco-dancing, Oscar Wilde-reading, ||
|| Streisand ticket-holding friend of Dorothy ||
------------------------------------------------------------
Michael S Ritchie
>
>What is all this DAY stuff? More like a Night-Planner. We
>homosexuals hardly do anything when the sun shines, what with all the
>fucking and sucking we do in the dark. What was it according to Joel,
>a million partners per year or something like that? Oh jeez, the work
>I gotta do to keep the average up! Lesse, I have a rimming scheduled
>for 11, jizm swallowing for 11:05... Where I'm gonna fit in that
>fisting is anyone's guess!
Oh, lady, don't I *know* it. I have a haircut scheduled for
9 PM, followed by a quick BJ, then a tit-torture session, and
I still don't know *when* I'm gonna fit the water-sports
extravaganza in!
--Lance Steel
Patricia Greig
Coronal (Wha...@Zone.com) writes:
> Joel DeVries wrote:
>
>>come on..... lemmings jump off the cliffs of dover.
> No, they don't. They don't live anywhere near England.
>
This completely ruins a lovely, inspirational song by Vera Lynn.
If you'd survived "The War" and "The Blitz" and "The Rationing",
you'd have some sensitivity to the feelings of those dentally-
challenged on the Old World side of the Atlantic. Tsk, tsk.
Ah vun and ah two and ah sree: <picture the blue-rinse crowd,
all DSOs/MMs/VCs, bifocals and kilts> "We'll meet again, don't
know where, don't know WHENNNNNN..."
Sniff.
RFerrie
>c...@hooked.net (CR Willett) wrote:
>
>
>>>ae...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Max Wallace) writes:
>
>
>Does knowing that homosexuality is wrong, mean your a homophobe? I'm
>not scared of homosexuals, it's just that I think everybody should
>take care of their bodies and since the average life span of a
>homosexual is around 40, come on..... lemmings jump off the cliffs of
>dover. I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
>
>
Who says that "homosexuality is wrong" - and more to the point,
who are you to judge that? If you're talking religion,
"wrong" is between a person and God - you turn the other cheek -
judge not lest ye be judged. If you're talking biology,
homosexuality exists, and has existed, in all animals, for all of
evolution.
Second, it's a total fallacy that the
average life span of a gay man is around 40. But tell me, do you
watch NFL football? Or, do you think "football is wrong"? By
your criteria, you should. Of all the guys who don't take care
of their bodies... And it IS a fact that the average age of death
for former NFL football players is 39 - yes, 39.
Maybe you'd rather jump off a cliff and die quickly than suffer
through a terminal disease - that's your choice. But don't
suggest that gay men rush to get AIDS. Of all the communities
around, it's the gay community that has done the most to promote
education - the only thing that's going to fight AIDS (I don't
believe for a minute that people are going to give up sex, so
teaching prevention is the best way to stop the disease).
RFerrie
>c...@hooked.net (CR Willett) wrote:
>
>
>>>ae...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Max Wallace) writes:
>
>
>Does knowing that homosexuality is wrong, mean your a homophobe? I'm
>not scared of homosexuals, it's just that I think everybody should
>take care of their bodies and since the average life span of a
>homosexual is around 40, come on..... lemmings jump off the cliffs of
>dover. I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
>
>
Who says that "homosexuality is wrong" - and more to the point,
who are you to judge that? Second, it's a total fallacy that the
Lee Weiser
And don't forget those many nights filled with hours of shopping for the
latest fashions (gotta keep ourselves stocked on Ungaro frocks and FABulous
shoes!) As well as putting in time decorating our own and all our friends'
homes! Oh, yeah! And those trips to The Pleasure Chest to pick up a few "toys"!
--Lee
Malfouf al-Makboos
:>I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than die from aids.
:Given the fact that the new case rate is increasing faster among
:hets
:than among gays, you may yet face that choice.
More deceptive reasoning. Rates of increase can be deceptive.
AIDS among heterosexuals increased from a very, very, very
small number to a very, very, small number, a number far too
small to worry about. The percentage increase may be large,
but the absolute numbers are very small.
To illustrate, if a welfare queen manages to save $1 in the
bank in 1994 and $10 in the bank in 1995, she will, percentage-
wise, have made more money than Bill Gates. But that doesn't mean
she has a lot of money.
--
Manchester United #1 !!!!!!! Newcastle Sucks!
ka...@delphi.com
>Hey, forget that "average lifespan of homosexuals is 40" canard; I just
.
I believe the precise reference is the early 20th century standard
"There'll be lemmings over the White Cliffs of Dover" -- you know
when the war ends.
.
kassa
Lee Weiser
>Greg Diamond <gdia...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> writes:
>
>>Hey, forget that "average lifespan of homosexuals is 40" canard; I just
>>want a reference for that "lemmings jump off the cliffs of Dover" claim.
>I believe the precise reference is the early 20th century standard
>"There'll be lemmings over the White Cliffs of Dover" -- you know
>when the war ends.
Either that or Sir Joel the Anti-Homosexualist made a typo and meant Doug
Hemmings over the White Cliffs of Dover.
--Lee
Carolyn Poulter
>>Really? An agenda? Gee! Why is it that the only people who know this agenda
>>are the homophobes?
>What is a homophobe?
>
>Lee
I think it is some sort of bacteria that lives in homogenised (sorry
about spelling) milk.
--
Carolyn Poulter
Snacker
writes:
>....they all swear their kids don't do that....
>like the back of a car isn't on the official curriculum :)
>
I never laughed soooo hard!! Good one, Carolyn!
Sam #13
ExecProdRo
a joke. Yikes.
Jeff Kirk
10233...@CompuServe.COM says...
>
>:b) all homosexuals are promiscuous practice unsafe sex and are high-risk
>:candidates for AIDS
>
> You are right. This is untrue. I would substitute the word "most"
> for all. Let's use reductio ad absurdum to prove that this is true:
> The converse statement would be:
> "Most homosexuals are monogamous, practice safe sex and are low risk
> candidates for AIDS".
Of course, the irony of your "converse statement" is THAT IT'S TRUE!!! So
tell us Subbie, what is your source for your opinion that most homosexuals
practice unsafe sex and are at high-risk for AIDS? Can you identify a single
scholar - or even a single news article - that has quantifyable data to back
this claim up?
>:c) heterosexuals don't get AIDS
>
> This is an ambiguous statement. Of course many heterosexuals get
> AIDS. However, VAST majority of them are IV drug users. If you mean
> that AIDS is also spread heterosexually, it is, but VERY RARELY.
Oh yeah, you're right. All those heterosexual Thai whores and Africans who
have the disease must all be shooting heroin! And I'll ask you once again -
do you have any data to back up your information??? (already knowing the
answer is no...)
Jeff
Jeff Kirk
10233...@CompuServe.COM says...
>
> This reminds me of the faulty methodology of AIDS "activists" who
>claim that AIDS is a heterosexual disease by quoting studies of Thai
>prostitutes (a rather nonrandom sample, unless one assumes all women
>in Asia are prostitutes, a rather rather racist assumption, no?)
AIDS activists? You mean all those left-wing arch-liberal scientists at the
world's leading viral research center, the CDC?
>Clearly, these people are misrepresenting the facts to support their
>own agenda, and there is no evidence that their claims that AIDS is
>a heterosexual disease in Asia have any basis whatsoever in fact.
So I suppose you think all those "studies" that talk about the heterosexual
AIDS epidemic in Africa are just "gay propaganda" too, as are all the studies
showing how rapidly heterosexual contraction of AIDS is climbing in the U.S.
Tell me, Subbie, where do you get *your* facts? Can you name an ACCREDITED
scientist who profligates anything you've told us, or one who discredits
anything WE have told YOU?
Jeff
Jeff Kirk
>
>Okay, Okay, so I'm not a perfect speller, but why do you say the
>homosexual agenda is relevant to EVERYTHING if they are such a tiny
>minority in the every day world of " LIFE and COMMON SENSE" ?
He didn't say the "homosexual agenda" is relevant to everything. In any
case, following your logic, we should thus avoid topics having to do with ANY
minority group in the country. If you follow the generally accepted number
of how many homosexuals there are in the country (and yes, I know some
estimates are much lower and some estimates are much higher) - about 4-5% -
then I guess you mean we should ignore the concerns of most Asians and Native
Americans too, since they make up a similar percentage of the population.
Hell, while we're at it, let's just ignore the blacks too since they only
make up about 9% of the population.
Jeff
Michael S Ritchie
Lee Weiser <az...@azstarnet.com> wrote:
>
>And don't forget those many nights filled with hours of shopping for the
>latest fashions (gotta keep ourselves stocked on Ungaro frocks and FABulous
>shoes!) As well as putting in time decorating our own and all our friends'
>homes! Oh, yeah! And those trips to The Pleasure Chest to pick up a few "toys"
And there's those endless hours of taking care of that damn
track lighting! Mercy! It's enough to make this friend of
Dorothy go straight!
--M.
Malfouf al-Makboos
:Of all the communities
Well, since they're the ones getting it, that's to be
expected. Who else would you expect to be at the forefront
of AIDS education, the Rotary Club?
LOL!!! R. Ferrie! What a name for a homosexual!!!
ka...@delphi.com
>>And don't forget those many nights filled with hours of shopping for the
>>latest fashions (gotta keep ourselves stocked on Ungaro frocks and FABulous
>>shoes!) As well as putting in time decorating our own and all our friends'
>>homes! Oh, yeah! And those trips to The Pleasure Chest to pick up a few "toys"
>
>And there's those endless hours of taking care of that damn
>track lighting! Mercy! It's enough to make this friend of
>Dorothy go straight!
>
And for God's sake, boys, leave time to meet your "recruitment" quotas.
.
kassa (those homophobes just KNOW you're coveting their bods)
Joel DeVries
>In article <4l16q2$8...@insosf1.netins.net>,
>Joel DeVries <jdev...@netins.net> wrote:
>>az...@azstarnet.com (Lee Weiser) wrote:
>>>Really? An agenda? Gee! Why is it that the only people who know this agenda
>>>are the homophobes?
>>What is a homophobe?
>It's a groub of letters prodoudced the sabe as adother group of letters.
>(Pardod be, I hab a coad.)
>If you had a dictioning, if you knew what a dictionary was, you could
>probably look within it and see your picture under the definition of
>homophobe, dimwit. Now why don't you respond to my earlier responses,
>where I give your bottom the flaying you seem to crave?
Pardon me, but I do have several recent dictionarys and they don't
have the word homophobe in it, really they don't. Are you people just
making up words that really don't exist?
ECWhitley
things that don't concern you, and you seem to go out of your way to
insult people.
In English: you are courting a heart attack, an ulcer, or getting the crap
beat out of you.
You know, I'm a heterosexual middle-aged woman with two kids, live in a
tract house, drive a mini-van, and *I* support gay rights. In particular,
I think gay marriage should be legalized since gays can have children, and
adopt, and child do best being raised by two people who love them and have
a stable relationship. And it helps a relationship to have it recognized
by the law.
And once again I'll ask Joel--why do you hang out and post here if it
bothers you so much? Why do you watch ROSEANNE if you find her so
appalling? Turn your set off and go do some good in the world.--Eva
Whitley
Eva Whitley (ECWh...@AOL.COM)
Jeff Kirk
10233...@CompuServe.COM says...
>
> More deceptive reasoning. Rates of increase can be deceptive.
>AIDS among heterosexuals increased from a very, very, very
>small number to a very, very, small number, a number far too
>small to worry about. The percentage increase may be large,
>but the absolute numbers are very small.
Okay, Subbie, here are some facts about AIDS. *REAL* facts.
--approximately 15-20 million HETEROSEXUAL NON DRUG-USERS are currently
infected with the HIV virus in Africa and Asia. Is this a number "too small
to worry about"?
--from a recent CDC report on the spread of AIDS in the U.S....
"In 1993, 105,990 adolescents and adults were reported with AIDS,
representing a 127% increase over the 46,791 cases reported in 1992.
Adolescents, women, racial/ethnic minorities, and persons infected through
injecting drug use or heterosexual contact had the largest increase in case
reporting."
--some statistics on AIDS transmission in the U.S.:
Comparing the earlier time period (1981-1987) to the most recent time period
(1993-1995):
-the proportion of people with AIDS who contracted HIV through men
having sex with men has decreased from 64% to 45% of AIDS cases;
-the proportion of people with AIDS who contracted HIV through using
intravenous (IV) drugs has increased from 17% of cases to 27% of AIDS cases;
-the proportion of people with AIDS who contracted HIV through
heterosexual contact has increased from 3% to 10% of AIDS cases.
-the percentage of people with AIDS who are female has increased from 8%
during the 1981-1987 time period to 17.5% of AIDS cases during the 1993-1995
time period.
Believe us yet, Subbie? Still going to assert that the number of
heterosexual AIDS cases has gone from "very, very, very small" to "very, very
small"? I wouldn't call 10% - and rising - as small in any definition of the
term.
Jeff
Lee Weiser
>From: jdev...@netins.net (Joel DeVries)
>Subject: Re: Charlton Heston outed?
>Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 17:28:38 GMT
Re: Homophobe
>Pardon me, but I do have several recent dictionarys and they don't
>have the word homophobe in it, really they don't. Are you people just
>making up words that really don't exist?
Nope! It'sd a real word which really exists!! (And it's dictionarIES, Joel)
Besides, it's an easy word to figure out anyway.
--Lee, wondering how you came to believe the propoganda that gay people only
live to 40
Lee Weiser
<Joel's intelligence-challenged post snipped>
>This completely ruins a lovely, inspirational song by Vera Lynn.
>If you'd survived "The War" and "The Blitz" and "The Rationing",
>you'd have some sensitivity to the feelings of those dentally-
>challenged on the Old World side of the Atlantic. Tsk, tsk.
>Ah vun and ah two and ah sree: <picture the blue-rinse crowd,
>all DSOs/MMs/VCs, bifocals and kilts> "We'll meet again, don't
>know where, don't know WHENNNNNN..."
>Sniff.
And now you got me humming "I'll Be Seeing You"!!!
o/~ I'll be seeing you in all the old familiar places that this heart of mine
imbraces the whole day through!....o/~
SAY! That gives me a thought (A first, I know!) The trailer park may need a
piano bar in it!
--Lee
Michael S Ritchie
Joel DeVries <jdev...@netins.net> wrote:
>Pardon me, but I do have several recent dictionarys and they don't
>have the word homophobe in it, really they don't. Are you people just
>making up words that really don't exist?
My American Heritage, last updated way back in 1985, has an entry for
homophobia/homophobic. Look it up and try to extrapolate.
(I realize *you* may need to look up that last word, too.)
For your information, just because a word isn't in dictionaries
(notice the correct plural ending) doesn't mean it's not a word;
if it's in usage and lotsa folks know what it means (homophobe,
def, cyberpunk), it's a word whether or not Merriam-Webster deigns
to put it their dictionary.
--M., English teacher extraordinaire
Michael S Ritchie
>Michael S Ritchie <mrit...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>
>>>And don't forget those many nights filled with hours of shopping for the
>>>latest fashions (gotta keep ourselves stocked on Ungaro frocks and FABulous
>>>shoes!) As well as putting in time decorating our own and all our friends'
>>>homes! Oh, yeah! And those trips to The Pleasure Chest to pick up a few
>>>"toys"
>>
>>And there's those endless hours of taking care of that damn
>>track lighting! Mercy! It's enough to make this friend of
>>Dorothy go straight!
>
>
Actually, most of those 'phobes probably think I'm coveting
their 17-year-old son, but I couldn't possibly recruit anyone
who couldn't order a good latte, and that usually requires at
least a year of college.
--M.
Patricia Steward
>
> The only reason that I can think of as to why you persist
>here in a.s.g is to antagonise.
And the only reason he keeps doing it is because PEOPLE LIKE YOU KEEP
ON ANSWERING HIM!
Fer Chrissakes, utilize the "k" and "K" keys (or their counterparts on
your newsreader), and this guy will disappear faster'n' an Ungaro spring
frock at a Pride parade.
--
Patricia Martin Steward pams...@nyx.cs.du.edu
I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is;
I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express senti-
ments that differentiate me from a doormat. --Rebecca West, 1913
BarksdaleB
Weiser) writes:
>
>SAY! That gives me a thought (A first, I know!) The trailer park may need
a
>piano bar in it!
>
>
Hey, this is a great idea. And if Craig will sing "That's Amore" I'll
come every night.
BBoy,
who also responds well
to "Hey, Big Spender"
"A home's not a home without a Photoplay on the floor"
Coronal
Joey M.
>And for God's sake, boys, leave time to meet your "recruitment" quotas.
That's how I spend my Saturday's, cruising grade schools in a black
mini-van to plant the homosexual seed.
"Hey kid! D'ya wanna learn about the world of rough sex, good
grooming, opera and lavish, over-produced musicals? Hop in!"
~~~~~~~~~~
Joey the asg 'hoey
ASGTRP# 3
Joey's Smug, Self-Satisfied Homepage
http://miso.wwa.com/~jmbomb/
David Migicovsky
>..
>And for God's sake, boys, leave time to meet your "recruitment" quotas.
>..
>kassa (those homophobes just KNOW you're coveting their bods)
Well after all kassa, most of them have a lot to covet... except where that
might be an advantage.
David, who doesn't even covet many homosexuals.
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Patricia Greig
Patricia Steward (pams...@nyx10.cs.du.edu) writes:
> Patricia Greig <dc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>>
>> The only reason that I can think of as to why you persist
>>here in a.s.g is to antagonise.
>
> And the only reason he keeps doing it is because PEOPLE LIKE YOU KEEP
> ON ANSWERING HIM!
Whoah, singled the Canuck out when asking for the Usenet people to
come to their senses? Is this in a NAFTA clause? En garde, Mademoiselle,
and take this:
In a promotional interview for his 32nd album, Burton
Cummings, creator of that Canadian rock classic, "American Woman",
said this of his touring in the Ringo Starr All-Starr Band:
"I gotta tell ya, I felt like a kid for that whole seven months.
First of all, just to be called was the ultimate compliment.
Anybody from my age bracket would have killed to be part of that
tour. I had the time of my life. It was seven months and went by
like it was half-an-hour. We went to Switzerland and Rome and
Paris and Milan. Went back to Liverpool with Ringo. Played
London on his 52nd birthday. George Harrison came out to the show
and hung out with us all night. I mean, what more could you give a
kid from Winnipeg? It was incredible."
Hah. Dulled your senses yet? Think yourself fortunate that I didn't
include a story about the uproar concerning the use of Iroquois
false face masks in CBC advertisements for 'National Aboriginal
Achievement Awards'.
> Fer Chrissakes, utilize the "k" and "K" keys (or their counterparts on
> your newsreader), and this guy will disappear faster'n' an Ungaro spring
> frock at a Pride parade.
>
> --
> Patricia Martin Steward pams...@nyx.cs.du.edu
Rest assured, I've closed my pro-Muslim sermons, and retired from
the field.
"Who the gods wish to destroy they first make a mini-series for."
- J. Burchill
Jennifer Lyon
goes...
When you hear gossip about a celebrity's sexual preference, where exactly
does this gossip come from? How reliable is it? Or is it based simply
on someone's "gaydar?" I was just wondering because I keep hearing that
so-and-so and such-and-such are gay (or lesbian), and I don't see where
all these rumors come from. (Except in the few cases where they actually
come out of the closet on their own.) Someone, please enlighten me.
Thanks.
Malfouf al-Makboos
:Praytell, what subjects am I so "ignorant" about? You mean the
:"real" story
:about AIDS, how it's a gay-only disease that has no relevance to
:the
:heterosexual population of the world? You mean about how
:homosexuals choose
:to be deviant and thus deserve to die of AIDS?
Exactly! You took the words right out of my mouth!
KarWV
>Jeff Kirk wrote:
>:Praytell, what subjects am I so "ignorant" about? You mean the
>:"real" story
>:about AIDS, how it's a gay-only disease that has no relevance to
>:the
>:heterosexual population of the world? You mean about how
>:homosexuals choose
>:to be deviant and thus deserve to die of AIDS?
>
> Exactly! You took the words right out of my mouth!
>
>
No, I think he took the words right out of an ignorant pile of slime....oh
wait...that's what you said. Sorry, my mistake.
--kimberly, momentarily overtaken by the aforementioned asgtp
gang-mentality (and liking it! <g>).
Craig Smith
> Pardon me, but I do have several recent dictionarys and they don't
> have the word homophobe in it, really they don't. Are you people just
> making up words that really don't exist?
There are several possibilities. Either you don't have a dictionary
that is new enough, or one that is complete enough, or else you don't
know how to actually use one (your misspelling of "dictionaries" is a
definite tip-off).
From the American Heritage Dictionary, Third Edition:
homophobia, n. 1. Aversion to gay or homosexual people or their
lifestyle or culture. 2. Behavior or an act based on this aversion.
[homo(sexual) = -phobia.] --homophobe, n. --homophobic, adj.
And for all those who think "phobia" necessarily means "fear of,"
here's full poop on that one:
phobia, n. 1. A persistent, abnormal, or irrational fear of a
specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid the feared
stimulus. 2. A strong fear, dislike, or aversion.
Craig
A bitch, once again with dictionary
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