What does Arnold Schwarze...Negger names really mean? You might be surprised! Or offended.
Idris Alooma
darkerthenightth...@myrealbox.com says...
> In the Year of the Goat, the Great and Powerful Idris Alooma declared...
> > Heteph,
> >
> > I'm already tired of hearing Arnold Schwarzenegger's name being bandied
> > about on TV because of the closeness it is to an ugly name that Black
> > folks have been called for centuries by Caucasian hatemongers and other
> > Caucasian supremacist.
>
> I suppose you get offended when someone uses the word niggardly, too.
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=niggard
>
> > In German/Austrian I think it does pretty much
> > mean the same thing as it does in English
> >
> No, the racial epithet is derived from negro, which in turn comes
> from the Latin word for black (by way of Spanish, IMS). The German
> language has only a little relation to Latin, and uses a completely
> different word for black -- in fact, the word that appears in the
> first part of his name.
>
> > I hope it doesn't mean what I think it does. If I am right then Arnold
> > probably has some black people in his family,
>
> So do we all, if you look back a few million years.
>
> > and is black himself by
> > American definitions.
> >
> What American definitions are you talking about?
>
>
I'm referring to the fact that most Caucasians consciously,or
unconsciously believe that if a person has one drop of African genetic
makeup, then that makes them subhuman and definitely not Caucasian.
Arnold is in no way a Caucasian by those definitions. He is definitely a
Needtogrow!
You really only have to look back a few hundred years in America. When
Caucasians arrived here to loot, plunder, and murder they didn't bring
any Caucasian females with them.
So they did what any normal human would do. When you can't be with the
one you love... you love the one you are with!
At that time that meant that the Caucasian explorers and settlers were
sleeping with Native Americans, Hispanic, and African women. From that
small group of interracials have come most of the rest of us.
In my family for example my great grandmother was Mexican, Caucasian,
Cherokee, and African..
How many of you really know who all of your great great grandparents
were? That would be at least 8 relatives from many years ago. Do you
know where they grew up? Have you seen pictures of their parents?
Probably not.
There is a woodpile in the backyard of each and every one of you!
Celebrate your blackness! Don't be ashamed of it. Jesus was black! Moses
was Black! Abraham was black King Solomon was black!Cleopatra was black!
Alexander Dumas, Warren Harding, our president, was black, and so are
youse guys!
Ultra-Lib Terminator (ULT)
"Idris Alooma" <Ial...@earthlink.net> wrote
| Do you want one of those sleeping in the California state house? I don't
| and I intend to vote against the recall.I don't want him holding state
| dinners, kissing all over our delicate white, yellow haired, blue eyed
| lasses.
I would rather have Larry Elder or Ward Connerly in Sacramento but they
couldn't get elected. Arnold will do fine.
Predatory Rock Chick
>
> "Predatory Rock Chick" <Strok...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:BBA245ED.99133%Strok...@earthlink.net...
>> Ambrose wrote:
>>
>>> a result of a 6th century Rabbi's Talmudic
>>> writing of his personal interpretation of Genesis concerning the shame
> of
>>> Ham and Jappeth (father of Europeans) Both sons of Noah were accursed
> to be
>>> servants of Shem,
>>
>> I knew, of course, about Shem -- but where is Japeth shamed/cursed....?!
>>
>>
>> Curious hugs,
>> Janice
>
> It's not in the Bible but comes from various stories in the Talmud, the
> Midrash, the Zohar, Kaballah, etc which were a kind of onging series of the
> collected writings, teachings and interpretation of the Medieval Rabbi's.
It'd be interesting/entertaining to read what, if any, biblical-support was
used for that ...... but what I *really* want to know is why they assumed
Ham was black based on Noah being able to see him in the dark..........?!
Curious hugs,
Janice, *praying* I don't hear the "punchline"----> "He smiled."
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Ophie
> Not necessarily, but white people named Moore, More, are all derived
> from the original word "Moor" The term moor refers to black people in
> ancient times.
>
> thus whites with those names most likely also have heavy amounts of
> African genetic makeup in their ancestry.
>
> After over 200 years of slavery, where the white slavemasters had a
> field day raping black women in the quarters, there are very few white
> people in Amerikkka who don't have African ancestry five or six
> generations back.
This is so true: the so-called "one drop rule" did not really take
effect until the US stopped importing slaves, around 1808. Then
anyone who had traceable black roots were considered "black", as well
as the offspring of white slave owners and black slave women.
Ophie -- an informed white guy...
Edgar S.
Reminds me of an old movie: In some southern states it was illegal for
the races to have intercourse. A white guy had a mulatto girlfriend,
and the law was after them. Before the law broke into his room on the
river boat, he grabbed the girl, and cut her finger with his
pocketknive. He then sucked down and swallowed some of her blood.
When the law broke down the door to arrest them, he could honestly say
he "had black blood in him". Their relationship was legitimized.
Edgar S.
> In the Year of the Goat, the Great and Powerful Idris Alooma declared...
> >
>
> What America are you writing from?
>
> >if his ancestors were
> > "black plowmen" then by default he is a Ni..er! farmer!
> >
> Because words meaning "black" have never been used to describe
> any other trait than race.
Indeed, there's a term called "Black Irish". I believe this to mean
the black haired, fair skinned, blue eyed Irish.
The "black" plowmen, could have been the way they differentiated a
dark haired farming household from some other family.
Sean O'Hara
> In article <MPG.19e643711...@news.cis.dfn.de>,
> darkerthenightth...@myrealbox.com says...
>
> > > American definitions.
> > >
> > What American definitions are you talking about?
> >
> >
> I'm referring to the fact that most Caucasians consciously,or
> unconsciously believe that if a person has one drop of African genetic
> makeup, then that makes them subhuman and definitely not Caucasian.
>
> Arnold is in no way a Caucasian by those definitions. He is definitely a
> Needtogrow!
>
So having a name with any word meaning "black" makes him black? Does
this also mean that Jaleel White is white?
> You really only have to look back a few hundred years in America. When
> Caucasians arrived here to loot, plunder, and murder they didn't bring
> any Caucasian females with them.
>
Which caucasians? The Conquistadors didn't -- but seeing as
their country had been under Moorish rule for several hundred
years previously, they don't meet your definition of "caucasian"
anyway. But soon thereafter, European women started coming to
the colonies.
> How many of you really know who all of your great great grandparents
> were? That would be at least 8 relatives from many years ago. Do you
> know where they grew up? Have you seen pictures of their parents?
> Probably not.
>
Who the fuck cares? Only idiots think their ancestry has any
meaning.
--
Sean O'Hara
Gibberish in Neutral: http://diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com/
Peter Aradisio
> Indeed, there's a term called "Black Irish". I believe this to mean
> the black haired, fair skinned, blue eyed Irish.
Actually, the true "black Irish" are dark haired, dark eyed, and with
somewhat swarthy skin, from the remote northwest of Ireland. Their
blood is intermixed with shipwrecked Spaniards who escaped during the
Spanish Armada as well as other Iberian peoples who escaped Spain
during the Spanish Inquisition, including Moors.
>
> The "black" plowmen, could have been the way they differentiated a
> dark haired farming household from some other family.
"Black" in a name in lower Germany refers to the non-blonde Palatinate
germanic peoples who had very dark hair and dark brown eyes. It's the
same for people named "Schwartz" and the various derivatives. While it
does not refer to someone of African lineage, it was used
pejoratively. "Dark" Germans were generally considered "less German"
than the more Aryan-looking Prussians.
Ophie
> In article <872573c0.03100...@posting.google.com>, Ophir1891
> @aol.com says...
> > rusty_...@yahoo.com (R. Lerner) wrote in message news:<899e76df.03100...@posting.google.com>...
> > > >If I am right then Arnold probably has some black people in his
> > >
> > > Brilliant deduction, Sherlock.
> > >
> > > I suppose next you'll be telling us that Jack Black, Harry Blackstone,
> > > and Chris Blackwell must all have blacks in their family trees, too.
> >
> >
> > There is some truth to this. Some of Europe's oldest families have
> > cameos of obviously black-looking people in their coat-of-arms.
> >
> > England's Royal Family also has distant ancestors of African descent,
> > thanks to Queen Charlotte.
> >
> > My own family supposedly does too, though you wouldn't know it to look
> > at us.
> >
> Thank you for being a wise and honest person. :-)
>
> ALL human life, homo sapien sapien, originated in Africa approximately
> 1.5 million years ago and spread soon thereafter to Asia and Europe.
> Caucasians are humans correct..?Therefore their ancestry is African and
> came from Africa.
>
> It's just that simple. We are all JABON whether we like it or not!
>
> Im Hotep
I just believe in keeping my mind open, unlike some people on these
posts. Thank you, though.
Ophie
> >If I am right then Arnold probably has some black people in his
> family, and is black himself by American definitions.
>
> Brilliant deduction, Sherlock.
>
> I suppose next you'll be telling us that Jack Black, Harry Blackstone,
> and Chris Blackwell must all have blacks in their family trees, too.
Mary Tyler MOORE
Agnes MOOREhead
Yeah, they was sistahs....
Idris Alooma
Ial...@earthlink.net says...
> In article <I3Yeb.24019$ev2.5...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>,
> miles_...@hotmail.com says...
> > "rockie Feller" <gi...@highstream.net> wrote in message
> > news:vnoidqk...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Scharzenegger mean Black Farmer.
> >
> > Several years ago on the Tonight Show....it may have even been with Johnny
> > Carson it was so long ago, I can't remember... Schwarzenegger said that his
> > name literally meant "black plowman."
> >
> >
> >
> > > "Idris Alooma" <Ial...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.19e542684...@news.houston.sbcglobal.net...
> > > > Heteph,
> > > >
> > > > I'm already tired of hearing Arnold Schwarzenegger's name being bandied
> > > > about on TV because of the closeness it is to an ugly name that Black
> > > > folks have been called for centuries by Caucasian hatemongers and other
> > > > mean the same thing as it does in English
> > > >
> > > > also be ugly. Are there any German, or Austrian speaking folks on this
> > > > list...?
> > > >
> > > > If so would someone please tell us what the term "Schwarze" means?
> > > >
> > > > I hope it doesn't mean what I think it does. If I am right then Arnold
> > > > probably has some black people in his family, and is black himself by
> > > > American definitions.
> > > >
> > > >
>
> OK fine! Still by American white racial standards, if his ancestors were
>
>
> Im Hotep
>
> If Gray Davis is no good, let him finish his term, and kick his butt
> out! If you start recalling every politician who tries to do things to
> pay reparations to black people, or build solar panels to provide
> electricity for their state, the Nation will soon be at civil war again.
> Perhaps that is what you white folks want deep, deep down?
>
> The Black Rush from the CGI :-)
>
>
>
> Need I say more..? :-)
>
Thank you very much Peter, Ambrose and the other very intelligent, well
read folks who supported me somewhat. Later today I will post some
research about Belgium, Germany, and Austria that will blow your funky
minds.!
By the way when I say that all of you are "JABON" we had a fraternity
here back in the 80's who used that term on campus for a few years to
identify who was in the fraternity.
JABON stands for "Just A Bunch Of Ni--ers" :-) Believe me I call you all
that with tons of affection! :-))
I have spent my entire life living in areas that are mostly white.
Everett, Washington, Mukilteo, Wa, Lacey Washington, Old Nisqually, WA
Duluth, MN, CGI, Tucson, Az, Aviano, Italy for over seven years.
All of these places had black populations of less than 2% so I was
surrounded by blancs 24/7/365. Being a person who studied them
constantly and tried to figure out what made most of them the hateful,
paranoid, psychotic, mis-programmed, savage people that they are, I
learned more about them than most of you know about yourselves.
I worked with you all, dated dozens and dozens of white women for whom I
have tons of affection.
Whoever said white females couldn't do the Zampooogi definitely had it
all wrong!
I've known many of them of them who could make a brotha jump and shout!
Grab his head and holler "what is this all about" "Good grief Charlie
Brown"
I like white food, some white music, but I don't like white
supremacists!
so that you all don't come to the wrong conclusions about what type of
white person that is; here are a few definitions:
Great story at this link about how white supremacy works to the
advantage of white males and holds down everyone else.
http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whitsup.html
Inside the Mind of a White Supremacist: Part One of an Interview With
Matt Hale Part 1. Matt is another dangerous homeboy of mine. He
graduated from SIU with a law degree and then the bar association
refused to allow him to practice because he was an admitted white
supremacist. Now that is really hypocritical.
http://www.lawenforcement.about.com/library/weekly/aa100900b.htm
I have been sitting at the bar at Applebees and heard an attorney
telling his white woman friend that he hoped her new boyfriend wasn't a
Ni--er!
Most white think similar to Matt Hale but they are afraid to openly
voice how they feel. so why should Matt be punished for saying what he
believes? At least he is honest about it.
http://www.lawenforcement.about.com/library/weekly/aa100900b.htm
WHITE SUPREMACIST
Pronunciation: wIt su'premusist
WordNet Dictionary
Definition: [n] a person who believes that the white race is or
should be supreme
See Also: supremacist
Helan Page, an African American anthropologist, defines white supremacy
in the US as an "ideological, structural and historic stratification
process by which the population of European descent. . .has been able to
intentionally sustain, to its own best advantage, the dynamic mechanics
of upward or downward mobility or fluid class status over the non-
European populations (on a global scale), using skin color, gender,
class or ethnicity as the main criteria" for allocating resources and
making decisions.
This complex definition explains the substance of white supremacy and
its ability to mutate like a virus to meet constantly changing
conditions. Since neither white supremacy nor the European nationalism
that is its base is recognized as an expression of group interests, it
is difficult for other groups to defend themselves against it. Even many
who benefit from its existence fail to recognize its current
manifestation as institutionalized racism or homophobia.
These common group interests need no conscious manipulation to be
expressed; they are based on color, class, sexual orientation, and
Christianity. From far right groups like the Ku Klux Klan to liberals
who deny the pervasiveness of anti-Black racism on the left, white
supremacy privileges all people of European descent: a sort of
affirmative action for whites.
Unfortunately most of the rich and powerful whites in Amerikkka fall
into that category!
Anyway, I need to check my eyelids. I have a lot of typing to do later
to share with you all the information about the incredible amounts of
race mixing in Europe!
2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and jump! Hello people. how are we today? Are we ready to
go? Look at me and do exactly what I'm doing. Jump 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and
jump 2,3,4,5,6,7,8
I'm grooving to Disney-Lion King (Dance Remix) by Aerobic
It is exercise music with the beat from "THE MUSIC SOUNDS BETTER WITH
YOU" by Stardust
If you haven't heard it check it out today. It will definitely mellow
you out real quick folks.
Shlala Gashle
ANIM8Rfsk
Sigh
I guess you're too stupid to understand what a racist you are, even if the crap
you spewed was factually correct? For instance, the black population in Tucson
is 2 1/2 times what you claim it is.
Plonk
___________
The American Teleservices Association
has a NEW phone line (at least for now)
1-317-816-9336
www.ataconnect.org
They don't want you to contact them.
Vinyltap
>made a translation error, the split is not Schwarze-negger, it's
>Schwarzen-egger.
Well, I doubt that, but who knows.
My father is from the same country as Arnold and he says it's black and black.
Schwartz means black and negger does too. So it's black black to me. But
whatever. "Plowman" is likely derived from "black" not the other way around.
But hey...who cares.
Predatory Rock Chick
> Idris Alooma <Ial...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.showbiz.gossip:
>
>> Heteph,
>>
>> I'm already tired of hearing Arnold Schwarzenegger's name being
>> bandied about on TV because of the closeness it is to an ugly
>> name that Black folks have been called for centuries by Caucasian
>> hatemongers and other Caucasian supremacist. In German/Austrian I
>> think it does pretty much mean the same thing as it does in
>> English
>>
>> It just occurred to me last night that the first part of the name
>> may also be ugly. Are there any German, or Austrian speaking folks
>> on this list...?
>>
>> If so would someone please tell us what the term "Schwarze" means?
>>
>> I hope it doesn't mean what I think it does. If I am right then
>> Arnold probably has some black people in his family, and is black
>> himself by American definitions.
>>
>> Im Hotep
>>
>
> Schwarz means black, and I'm sure that the black refers to either the
> haircolor or the appearance. Most surnames are derived from
> occupations or physical characteristics. In Arnie's case, it's both--
> Black Plowman. I wouldn't be surprised if the black part came because
> he was a plowman. Anyone out int he sun for a living is going to
> become very, very tan.
True, but that might render "Schwarzen Egger" redundant; so I'm guessing
it's more likely a reference to hair color -- esp. a shade of dk. brown that
didn't lighten under the sun.
Hugs,
Janice
>I doubt there's negro blood in him, and making
> it up out of ignorance won't put it there. As was pointed out when I
> made a translation error, the split is not Schwarze-negger, it's
> Schwarzen-egger.
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Idris Alooma
anim...@aol.comNOSPAM says...
before you were hatched, it was as I said!
Look up the definition of a "Racist" It fits you perfectly, and me not
at all. Telling an unwillingly population the truth about how they came
to be where they are and as they are is not "Racist" I call it being
helpful. The truth will set you free eventually. it hurts at first to
hear it ,but you will become a much more calmer, wiser person if you
fill your head with truths instead of lies, and half truths. Your body
will much happier if you do that. :-0
Scotius
what his name meant. He said it means "Black plowman". Letterman then
asked him jokingly "...how do the Kennedys feel about having a Black
plowman in the family?" I don't think it means anything racist, but I
don't know for sure.
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 01:59:21 GMT, Idris Alooma <Ial...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>Heteph,
>
>I'm already tired of hearing Arnold Schwarzenegger's name being bandied
>about on TV because of the closeness it is to an ugly name that Black
>folks have been called for centuries by Caucasian hatemongers and other
>Caucasian supremacist. In German/Austrian I think it does pretty much
>mean the same thing as it does in English
>
>It just occurred to me last night that the first part of the name may
>also be ugly. Are there any German, or Austrian speaking folks on this
>list...?
>
>If so would someone please tell us what the term "Schwarze" means?
>
>I hope it doesn't mean what I think it does. If I am right then Arnold
>probably has some black people in his family, and is black himself by
>American definitions.
>
>Im Hotep
>
>
>
>
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Vinyltap
Schwartz and negger both mean black far as I've heard.
Neither term litterally means plowman in German.
I doint believe so at least.
Tom Hens
Vinyltap <viny...@aol.com> wrote...
You obviously don't know German.
"Egger" is the bit that means "plowman" (more or less, "harrower" would be
a more exact translation).
"Negger" isn't a German word at all.
"Schwarz", when applied to people and as surviving in many surnames, meant
black-haired and/or having a dark complexion -- exactly as it does in the
English surname Black, for instance.
The only thing that can be concluded from the name is that somewhere along
his paternal line of descent, at the time the concept of a fixed family
name was being established, Arnold had an ancestor who was a farmer and had
black hair.
Eric Pinnell
> I saw him on Lettermans' show once, and Letterman asked him
>what his name meant. He said it means "Black plowman". Letterman then
>asked him jokingly "...how do the Kennedys feel about having a Black
>plowman in the family?" I don't think it means anything racist, but I
>don't know for sure.
Schwarzenegger means literally "Blackish/Black farmer". Probably a
reference to the Schwarzwald, or Black Forest. Or it may mean a farmer
of black earth (which is the color of rich soil).
Eric Pinnell
(Author, "Claws of The Dragon", "The Omega File")
For a preview, see: http://www.ericpinnell.com and click on "books"
Idris Alooma
Idris Alooma
Ial...@earthlink.net says...
-----Original Message-----
From: Carleton_Bradley [mailto:carleton...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:07 AM
To: The Big Picture
Subject: [TheBigPicture2003] What does Arnold Schwarzenegger name mean
in Autrian/German
Hello
I think schwarze means black. My father who is black spent time in
germany during wwii, Arnolds name sounds simular but I am not sure if it
is the same. One may be the root of the other, I hope there is a german
speaking person who can help us as i am not an authority.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carleton_Bradley [mailto:carleton...@sbcglobal.net][Muhammad
Nasserbey] warze
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:07 AM
To: The Big Picture
Subject: [TheBigPicture2003] What does Arnold Schwarzenegger name mean
in Autrian/German
Thank you Muhammad and Brian. That is just what I had thought, and now
it has been verified.
We all know what Negger means in German or English.
Neger in German means "Blackamoor"
Neger {pl} blackamoors
Moor, More, Moore, also are names referring to someone who has very dark
skin. So basically Arnolds family means "Black Black" or as Americans
would say " Black Nigger" Good Grief! :-( :-) I wonder if Maria is
aware that she married a black man?
People don't get family names like that by random chance. I wonder if
someone has researched his family to see not IF... but where and how far
back the black folks are in Arnolds family...
One of these things that make you go hummmmmmmmmmmmm...
Im Hotep
Predatory Rock Chick
"Schwarzen Egger" = Black ploughman -- since it's a German surname, "black"
almost certainly refers to the hair, not the skin.
HTH
Hugs,
Janice, of mind "Schwarze Neger" = Black Negro.
Rick
> Heteph,
>
> I'm already tired of hearing Arnold Schwarzenegger's name being
> bandied about on TV because of the closeness it is to an ugly name
> that Black folks have been called for centuries by Caucasian
> hatemongers and other Caucasian supremacist. In German/Austrian I
> think it does pretty much mean the same thing as it does in English
>
> It just occurred to me last night that the first part of the name may
> also be ugly. Are there any German, or Austrian speaking folks on this
> list...?
>
> If so would someone please tell us what the term "Schwarze" means?
>
> I hope it doesn't mean what I think it does. If I am right then Arnold
> probably has some black people in his family, and is black himself by
> American definitions.
Schwartzen = Black Egger = Plowman
--
Rick
Visit the Entropy Productions homepage at
http://www.boundtoone.com/entropy.htm
R. Lerner
family, and is black himself by American definitions.
Brilliant deduction, Sherlock.
JAH
not sure what that means, but probably goes back centuries through
Arnold's family and the trade they did back then.
JAH
Keeper of Bruce Willis
rockie Feller
"Idris Alooma" <Ial...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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charliekilo
news:vnoidqk...@corp.supernews.com...
> Scharzenegger mean Black Farmer.
Several years ago on the Tonight Show....it may have even been with Johnny
Carson it was so long ago, I can't remember... Schwarzenegger said that his
name literally meant "black plowman."
> "Idris Alooma" <Ial...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Ophie
Sean O'Hara
>
> I'm already tired of hearing Arnold Schwarzenegger's name being bandied
> about on TV because of the closeness it is to an ugly name that Black
> folks have been called for centuries by Caucasian hatemongers and other
> Caucasian supremacist.
I suppose you get offended when someone uses the word niggardly, too.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=niggard
> In German/Austrian I think it does pretty much
> mean the same thing as it does in English
>
No, the racial epithet is derived from negro, which in turn comes
from the Latin word for black (by way of Spanish, IMS). The German
language has only a little relation to Latin, and uses a completely
different word for black -- in fact, the word that appears in the
first part of his name.
> I hope it doesn't mean what I think it does. If I am right then Arnold
> probably has some black people in his family,
So do we all, if you look back a few million years.
> and is black himself by
> American definitions.
>
What American definitions are you talking about?
--
Predatory Rock Chick
Well, there's Shirley Temple, who morphed into a negress overnight.
HTH
Hugs,
Janice
Idris Alooma
"black plowmen" then by default he is a Ni..er! farmer!
Do you want one of those sleeping in the California state house? I don't
and I intend to vote against the recall.I don't want him holding state
dinners, kissing all over our delicate white, yellow haired, blue eyed
lasses.
The next thing you know he will be trying to cover one of them. His wife
looks like a black woman so leave him with that. He should be happy.
We have already seen what a brute he is. Pulling trains on women,
groping and grabbing, trying to push their heads downward on the sets
and stuff.
He has done stuff already that makes president Clinton seem like a choir
boy! How can you Republicans want a sex fiend like this and yet be so
against a great man who only had a fine young woman take communion from
him a few times.
How can you respect George Bush? He is against abortion like most of us,
but he then allows the bombing and murdering of hundreds of innocent
Iraqi children.
You call yourselves Christians, but the real proof of religion is not in
what we say, but rather how we live. Since you now know that the
afterlife will be controlled by black people I suspect most of you white
folks are going to have a dilemma. How can you live a life so anti-
social towards your ancestors,people of color, and yet believe you are
going to heaven?
I tell you Satan is waiting on you people with a huge grin and some
sharp pitchforks!
I wish I could be there jabbing some of you all in the arse, but
unfortunately since I live my life free of color hatred and other false
notions about other races, I think I will be way up high sipping on some
Eiswein and great French Sauternes.
Sean O'Hara
>
What America are you writing from?
>if his ancestors were
> "black plowmen" then by default he is a Ni..er! farmer!
>
Because words meaning "black" have never been used to describe
any other trait than race. It couldn't be that his ancestors
plowed fertile black soil.
> Do you want one of those sleeping in the California state house?
Austrians? Sure.
> don't
> and I intend to vote against the recall.I don't want him holding state
> dinners, kissing all over our delicate white, yellow haired, blue eyed
> lasses.
>
Okay, vote for Cruz Bustamante.
Ambrose
Schwarzenegger. It means black plowman. The plowman is obvious. Black could
mean the color or it could designate the estate of the old feudal lord in
the area, or the medieval family vassal or serf group, or the color of a
wood, river or vale. There are others including old racial suggestions like
people with gypsy, morosco bloodlines etc.
Up until modern racism began developing in the pseudo-science of the
renaissance, race in Europe was mostly a matter of culture differences, or
had biblical overtones which were a result of a 6th century Rabbi's Talmudic
writing of his personal interpretation of Genesis concerning the shame of
Ham and Jappeth (father of Europeans) Both sons of Noah were accursed to be
servants of Shem, but that Ham would be in servitude to the other two.It was
determined by this rabbi whose name escapes me,that Ham was determined as
black, purely on the basis that in Genesis he was seen by Noah in darkness.
This Talmudic writer went on to decide that Ham's shame wasn't just that he
had seen his father drunk and naked, but that he had been whipped into a
sexual frenzy by his fathers drunken nakedness and had first raped his
father, and then castrated him. Very imaginative fellow, this Rabbi. Well,
as we know, much Medieval Jewish Midrash found it way in to traditional
Christian Church thought as mostly Jewish scholars were contravted as the
translators of the classical writings from Arabic to Latin in Spain and
Bologna Italy where much of the rediscovery of lost classical knowledge was
rediscovered. So thus came the Talmudic claim that because Ham was seen in
the dark that he was African, not only that, but he was also a sexually out
of control homosexual, and was involved in incest and paracidal sexual
mutilation. I would say that our Talmudic writing, 6th century Rabbi had
serious issues with race, homosexuality and parental authority. Now, see how
much trouble one maladjusted scholar can cause? Fortunately, his sick
interpretation of the Genesis story of Noah, didn't have much impact except
among obscure Jewish religious thinkers until the renaissance and the
creation of the modern idea of social structure based on pseudo-scientific
intangibles. Ah, but that is a story for another time.
Ambrose
Idris Alooma
ambrose...@hotmail.com says...
> Well, having some Germanic names in my family I can translate
> Schwarzenegger. It means black plowman. The plowman is obvious. Black could
> mean the color or it could designate the estate of the old feudal lord in
> the area, or the medieval family vassal or serf group, or the color of a
> wood, river or vale. There are others including old racial suggestions like
> people with gypsy, morosco bloodlines etc.
> Ambrose
>
>
>
Now can you summarize all of that high faluting talk into a couple of
paragraphs that we can all understand?
Specifically what are you saying about the myth of Ham? The King James
Original in Genesis specifically says that after Ham saw his father
naked Noah awoke and said "Cursed be Canaan!" See verse 25 below.
Now many of you people here are servants in restaurants, fast food
chains and other places right? There is a huge difference between being
a servant and being a slave which many whites want to falsely imply. On
top of that Canaan was cursed! Not Ham! Look in the Bibles you have in
your homes. the truth is right in front of you.
Furthermore in verse
Ge 9:1 ś And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be
fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
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It looks to me like GOD blessed Noah and his sons who were all black
people. So if GOD blesses all of them... do you think that Noah cursing
them would be more powerful than GODS blessings...?
You might think so, but rational, clear thinking humans certainly
wouldn't. So you can throw all of these Noah Ham lies out with the bath
water.
Also I am Methodist so I know nothing about the Jewish religion and I'm
not interested in it.
Rich and powerful Jews in Israel also don't practice what they preach.
If they did they wouldn't be using the latest technology that we
sold/gave them to massacre thousands of innocent Palestinian children.
Real Jews who are decent people do not behave like Arial Sharon and his
gang of thugs.
Ge 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father,
and told his two brethren without.
23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their
shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father;
and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's
nakedness.
24 ś And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had
done unto him.
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25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be
unto his brethren.
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26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be
his servant.
27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem;
and Canaan shall be his servant.
28 ś And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.
29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he
died.
I agree that all you say about his name could be true. However, it is
just as likely that when his family was named "Black Plowman" it was
because they were black people. Germany and Austria have had many black
people there for centuries.
Predatory Rock Chick
> a result of a 6th century Rabbi's Talmudic
> writing of his personal interpretation of Genesis concerning the shame of
> Ham and Jappeth (father of Europeans) Both sons of Noah were accursed to be
> servants of Shem, but that Ham would be in servitude to the other two.
I knew, of course, about Shem -- but where is Japeth shamed/cursed....?!
Curious hugs,
Ambrose
"Predatory Rock Chick" <Strok...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:BBA245ED.99133%Strok...@earthlink.net...
> Ambrose wrote:
>
> > a result of a 6th century Rabbi's Talmudic
> > writing of his personal interpretation of Genesis concerning the shame
of
> > Ham and Jappeth (father of Europeans) Both sons of Noah were accursed
to be
> > servants of Shem, but that Ham would be in servitude to the other two.
>
> I knew, of course, about Shem -- but where is Japeth shamed/cursed....?!
>
>
> Curious hugs,
> Janice
It's not in the Bible but comes from various stories in the Talmud, the
Midrash, the Zohar, Kaballah, etc which were a kind of onging series of the
collected writings, teachings and interpretation of the Medieval Rabbi's.
> Ambrose
Idris Alooma
rusty_...@yahoo.com says...
from the original word "Moor" The term moor refers to black people in
ancient times.
thus whites with those names most likely also have heavy amounts of
African genetic makeup in their ancestry.
After over 200 years of slavery, where the white slavemasters had a
field day raping black women in the quarters, there are very few white
people in Amerikkka who don't have African ancestry five or six
generations back.
Idris Alooma
@aol.com says...
ALL human life, homo sapien sapien, originated in Africa approximately
1.5 million years ago and spread soon thereafter to Asia and Europe.
Caucasians are humans correct..?Therefore their ancestry is African and
came from Africa.
It's just that simple. We are all JABON whether we like it or not!
Im Hotep
Ambrose
"Idris Alooma" <carleton...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.19e6af083...@news.houston.sbcglobal.net...
> In article <899e76df.03100...@posting.google.com>,
> rusty_...@yahoo.com says...
> > >If I am right then Arnold probably has some black people in his
> > family, and is black himself by American definitions.
> >
> > Brilliant deduction, Sherlock.
> >
> > I suppose next you'll be telling us that Jack Black, Harry Blackstone,
> > and Chris Blackwell must all have blacks in their family trees, too.
> >
> Not necessarily, but white people named Moore, More, are all derived
> from the original word "Moor" The term moor refers to black people in
> ancient times.
> I thought the word was Moops. :-)
Ambrose
