>Steve, where did you learn this garbage?
Garbage is all it takes to fool 'Jesse Garon'. <wink>
Good grief, of all the rumors, this is the craziest...Peter Lawford
happened to have dark hair and a furry chest...so does JFK...duh.
My husband has a furry chest, but I hardly think this is grounds for
a paternity test.
I think it was Vanity Fair magazine that recently did a big layout on
all the Kennedy kids of JFK's generation and their looks vary like any
large family's. They aren't clones of their parents. Genetics, even
within a family, are going to produce very different results. JFK
happens to favor his mother's side of the family, but he does have the
Kennedy chiseled jaw. He and Carolyn both have their mother's wide-set
eyes...in fact, Carolyn looks very much like her mother, but her
coloring is lighter.
>
> >
> >JSM1330 <jsm...@aol.com> wrote:
> >: Many people are wondering why JFK Jr. is bashing his Kennedy
> >: relatives, but the answer may be that JFK Jr. is not a "true"
> >: Kennedy. Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis stipulated in her will that her > >: personal diaries must remain sealed until after the deaths of both > >: her children, Caroline and JFK, Jr. - not HER death, mind you, but > >: BOTH of THEIR deaths. The reason is JFK Jr. is NOT John F.
> >: Kennedy's son, but is actually the result of a well-known affair
> >: between Jackie Kennedy and actor Peter Lawford. This fact will be
> >: revealed after the deaths of the Kennedy children, which may exceed > >: our lifetime!
You're forgetting that Jackie was an *extremely* private person. This is
one reason why she married Onassis because he could provide her with
the seclusion (and luxury!) which she needed. Her need for privacy would
naturally include the protection of her children after her death. It
may simply be that in the diaries she does reveal things from which she
would want to protect her children, but this does not give any
credibility to the rumor that JFK is not the son of JFK, Sr. In fact,
it may very well be that some of the things revealed would include the
political shenanigans of JFK Sr. If Jackie had hoped for JFK Jr to get
into politics, she would naturally not want anything his father had done
to reflect on the son.
> >: The physical resemblance between Peter Lawford and JFK Jr. is
> >: staggering. Caroline has the Kennedy facial and jaw features, but > >: this is not the case with JFK Jr. To see this uncanny father and > >: son resemblance, watch a movie of Lawford's, such as "Ocean's
> >: Eleven" with Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. or "The Longest Day" > >: with John Wayne and Richard Burton.
> >: It is also strange that JFK Jr. dropped the "Jr." in his name not
> >: after the death of his father, which is usually the case, but
> >: instead shortly after his mother's death.
It isn't strange at all that JFK Jr. didn't drop the Jr. after the death
of his father as he was only around three years old when his dad died.
> >: JFK Jr. also maintains a close, personal relationship with
> >: Lawford's family, and has been often photographed with them.
> >: Lawford's closeness to the Kennedy clan is more than mere casual,
> >: since Lawford was also involved with the Kennedys when JFK was
> >: having an affair with Marilyn Monroe!
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> >Elaine Gallegos
> >sat...@primenet.com
Of course "Lawford's closeness to the Kennedy clan is more than mere
casual" because he married a Kennedy sister. JFK, Robert and Ted
were his brothers-in-law. Not surprising that JFK Jr. is still
fond of his relatives.
Signed....CMc
Hmmm...how come then JFK jr has the same type of walk his JFK sr had? If
you look at old clips you can see they have the same type of walk. The
physique in the shoulder is also the same, look at old clips of a younger
thinner JFK and you see a very similar physique.
<balance snipped>
If you listen closely, you can hear the theme song from Twilight Zone
playing softly in the background... Interupted occasionally by the AOL
"You've Got Mail" voice.
Bill
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Ralph Nader says he is not a politician. He is - but
he's not as smooth with women as Robert Packwood.
An interesting load of crap.
> The physical resemblance between Peter Lawford and JFK Jr. is
>staggering. Caroline has the Kennedy facial and jaw features, but this is
>not the case with JFK Jr. To see this uncanny father and son
>resemblance, watch a movie of Lawford's, such as "Ocean's Eleven" with
>Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. or "The Longest Day" with John Wayne and
>Richard Burton.
And the physical resemblance between JFK Jr and JFK at a young age is
quite canny.
> It is also strange that JFK Jr. dropped the "Jr." in his name not
>after the death of his father, which is usually the case, but instead
>shortly after his mother's death. Perhaps Jackie told her son of his true
>heritage and this is why the "Kennedy loyalty" is not as powerful as it
>has been in the past.
Bullshit. Family is not determined by genes, but by who you grow up
with, love, etc. If my mother told me that my father was not my
biological father, that would not change one bit how I feel about my
father and his relatives.
> JFK Jr. wanted to pursue a career in acting, not politics -
>something Jackie prevented. JFK Jr. also maintains a close, personal
>relationship with Lawford's family, and has been often photographed with
>them.
Duh. Seeing how Lawford is his uncle, and his uncles kids are his
cousins, it's not surprising that he would spend time with them or be
photographed with them.
>Lawford's closeness to the Kennedy clan is more than mere casual,
At least it has been since he married JFK's, Bobby's and Teddy'
sister.
>since Lawford was also involved with the Kennedys when JFK was having an
>affair with Marilyn Monroe! At the time of Monroe's death (suicide or
>plotted elimination), Lawford , Bobby Kennedy, and JFK were nearby- a
>strange coincidence. Lawford was willing to put himself and his career in
>jeopardy in order to protect JFK's privacy in the affair as well as his
>own with Jackie Kennedy.
Why don't you use this creative thinking for something useful?
Chris
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Remind me again how old JFKjr was when his daddy died, three or four?
Hardly an age when one might be expected to make such decisions. Why,
Sammy Davis never did get around to it, and I'm sure his daddy died.
> JFK Jr. wanted to pursue a career in acting, not politics -
>something Jackie prevented. JFK Jr. also maintains a close, personal
>relationship with Lawford's family, and has been often photographed with
>them. Lawford's closeness to the Kennedy clan is more than mere casual,
Given that he married into the family, this hardly comes as a shock.
"Jesse Garon": the God damnedest mass of tact known to the human race
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: Many people are wondering why JFK Jr. is bashing his Kennedy
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We know for sure, at least that Chris Lawford is a REAL Kennedy. He has
the Kennedy look too. In fact, he looks sort of like his cousin, Maria
Shriver.
Does anyone know of a good Kennedy or Bouvier biography which includes
good pictures of JFK Jr.'s maternal grandparents? I've read a few which
have had some decent photos of Jackie's dad, Black Jack Bouvier, but it
appears her mom, Janet Lee, was rarely photographed. There are people
out there who look nothing like their father or their father's side of
the family; they got all their 'physical appearance' DNA from their mom
and mom's side.
Just checked a book out from the library called "Rose Kennedy and her
Family" by Barbara Gibson and Ted Schwarz. Really good book; dishes
some pretty good gossip and nasty little details about Kennedy life.
Not at all a whitewash of the Kennedy's, stating they were a large happy
family like some other authors have done.
One new thing in this book is the idea that Rosemary was not mentally
retarded at all. At most, she was learning disabled and severly
dyslexic. They have some pretty good facts to back up this theory.
Also, The authors imply that stories of Rosemary's violent temper
tantrums were made up just to add justification for the botched lobotomy
ordered by Joe Kennedy Sr.
Anyway, the authors state Peter Lawford had very limited use of one
hand, due to a childhood accident, and would always disguise the fact by
having his hand in his pocket or looped his left thumb in his belt. So,
in the movies, did you notice if Lawford took off his shirts with both
hands or mostly using one hand?
> p.s. still, I don't think JFK, Jr. is exactly "bashing" his Kennedy
> relatives-- more likely trying to give them a 'heads up'. His piece also
> castigates the media for hounding them.
That's what bothers me about the JFK Jr article. He scolds the media
for bashing his family and then does the exact same thing in his own
magazine.
What a hypocrite.
Jean
Except, of course, Sammy Davis. Thurston Howell, of course, wasn't a
real person, so although it seems unlikely that his grandfather was
alive at the time, he could still go by Thurston Howell III.
That's very significant. It's a revelation about his relationship with
his mother. Bottom line: he didn't feel fully grown up (as a fully
functioning adult) and/or free from the (suffocating?) legacy of his
Father until after she died,
It indicates to me that Jackie and John-John's relationship may -- not
suprisingly -- have had some heavy strains.
jsm...@aol.com (JSM1330) wrote:
>> The physical resemblance between Peter Lawford and JFK Jr. is
>>staggering. Caroline has the Kennedy facial and jaw features, but this is
>>not the case with JFK Jr. To see this uncanny father and son
>>resemblance, watch a movie of Lawford's, such as "Ocean's Eleven" with
>>Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. or "The Longest Day" with John Wayne and
>>Richard Burton.
I think it's time you got a new pair of glasses sonny. Chris Lawford
is the spitting image of his father. Jr. looks nothing like Chris
Lawford. ERGO Jr does not look like Peter Lawford
>> JFK Jr. wanted to pursue a career in acting, not politics -
>>something Jackie prevented. JFK Jr. also maintains a close, personal
>>relationship with Lawford's family, and has been often photographed with
>>them. Lawford's closeness to the Kennedy clan is more than mere casual,
>>since Lawford was also involved with the Kennedys when JFK was having an
>>affair with Marilyn Monroe! At the time of Monroe's death (suicide or
>>plotted elimination), Lawford , Bobby Kennedy, and JFK were nearby- a
>>strange coincidence. Lawford was willing to put himself and his career in
>>jeopardy in order to protect JFK's privacy in the affair as well as his
>>own with Jackie Kennedy.
>
>
Besides, I thought Jackie slept with Bobby not Peter Lawford
Big fan of Conspiracy Theory aren't you?
> jsm...@aol.com (JSM1330) writes:
> > It is also strange that JFK Jr. dropped the "Jr." in his name not
> >after the death of his father, which is usually the case, but instead
> >shortly after his mother's death.
>
> Remind me again how old JFKjr was when his daddy died, three or four?
> Hardly an age when one might be expected to make such decisions. Why,
> Sammy Davis never did get around to it, and I'm sure his daddy died.
As a general rule, one is only a "Junior" so long as one's father, the
"Senior" is still alive. Similarly, one is only a "3rd" (or, more grandly,
"III") so long as one's GRANDFATHER is still alive. Upon the death of
the senior possessor of the name, everybody moves up a notch. (This rule
does not apply to kings and popes, but it does to just about everyone else.)
Still, I can see how he might have wanted to wait; the name "John F. Kennedy",
with no qualifiers, still meant only one person to most Americans.
Steve
--
Response to "Age before beauty"
"Pearls before swine."
--Dorothy Parker
Elaine Gallegos <sat...@primenet.com> wrote in article
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> Wow..bizarre enough to almost be true... It's especially wierd, as it is
> obvious that John John really doesn't resemble JFK in the way that
> Caroline does. John jr. does strongly resemble his mother however.
> I dunno about the Lawford connection. I've seen Peter Lawford's son, and
> his visage screams of his relationship to Peter. John jr.'s appearance
> does not. I have to say, however, that John jr. looks no more like JFK
> than Peter Lawford, however.
>
>
>
> JSM1330 <jsm...@aol.com> wrote:
> : Many people are wondering why JFK Jr. is bashing his Kennedy
> : relatives, but the answer may be that JFK Jr. is not a "true" Kennedy.
> : Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis stipulated in her will that her personal
> : diaries must remain sealed until after the deaths of both her
children,
> : Caroline and JFK, Jr. - not HER death, mind you, but BOTH of THEIR
deaths.
> : The reason is JFK Jr. is NOT John F. Kennedy's son, but is actually
the
> : result of a well-known affair between Jackie Kennedy and actor Peter
> : Lawford. This fact will be revealed after the deaths of the Kennedy
> : children, which may exceed our lifetime!
> : The physical resemblance between Peter Lawford and JFK Jr. is
> : staggering. Caroline has the Kennedy facial and jaw features, but this
is
> : not the case with JFK Jr. To see this uncanny father and son
> : resemblance, watch a movie of Lawford's, such as "Ocean's Eleven" with
> : Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. or "The Longest Day" with John Wayne
and
> : Richard Burton.
> : It is also strange that JFK Jr. dropped the "Jr." in his name not
> : after the death of his father, which is usually the case, but instead
> : shortly after his mother's death. Perhaps Jackie told her son of his
true
> : heritage and this is why the "Kennedy loyalty" is not as powerful as it
> : has been in the past.
> : JFK Jr. wanted to pursue a career in acting, not politics -
> : something Jackie prevented. JFK Jr. also maintains a close, personal
> : relationship with Lawford's family, and has been often photographed
with
> : them. Lawford's closeness to the Kennedy clan is more than mere casual,
> : since Lawford was also involved with the Kennedys when JFK was having
an
> : affair with Marilyn Monroe! At the time of Monroe's death (suicide or
> : plotted elimination), Lawford , Bobby Kennedy, and JFK were nearby- a
> : strange coincidence. Lawford was willing to put himself and his career
in
> : jeopardy in order to protect JFK's privacy in the affair as well as his
> : own with Jackie Kennedy.
>
> --
>
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> > JFK2 has a completely different gate and none of the profound physical
> > disabilities of JFK1.
> >
>
> That's GAIT, not "gate".
> Not necessarily.... Close scrutiny of the gate at JFK2's indicate it
looks nothing like that of JFK1's... Also, JFK1 kept his gate open to
most every bimbo, where JFK2 is a tad more selective.
That's GAIT, not "gate".
Regards
>I don't recall him ever introducing himself as JFK, jr.
I know several people that met JFK, jr. in person before '94. He
introduced himself as "John, Jr."