Jamie Lee Curtis an XY female Here is PROOF
John Francis
<MRD...@nicotine.sucks> wrote:
>
>Nope. I'm afraid it's not an FOAF
>situation--just a friend with a name.
We're not doubting the existence of your friend - just
questioning your claim that she is an authoratative source
with relevant first-hand knowledge.
Because if she isn't, but is instead merely relating an
anectode she heard from someone else, it *is* a FOAF story.
Drew Lawson
MRD...@nicotine.sucks writes:
>>MLYoung <mly...@aol.comZAPTHIS> wrote...
>>Really? Which courses and which professors at Harvard and Stanford? And
>>what is your source for this statement?
>
>A friend of mine who attended Stanford
>Medical School was the original source
>of information--endocrinology, reproduction
>are the obvious areas of study where
>this would come up.
"The obvious areas" sounds like guesswork.
What professor(s) stated these items as fact?
>Nope. I'm afraid it's not an FOAF
>situation--just a friend with a name.
>If you really want to check out her
>existence, drop me an e-mail and you
>can look her up in Stanford's alumni
>directory.
At this point, it is at best a POAF (Professor Of A Friend) story.
We don't have any names, dates, etc.
And we're supposed to mail you at MRD...@nicotine.sucks to ask
for those, right?
Drew "hey, this is my friend's professor we're talking about" Lawson
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mellster
<MRD...@nicotine.sucks> wrote in message
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> On 3 Feb 2000 20:55:51 GMT, jfra...@dungeon.engr.sgi.com (John Francis)
wrote:
> >>situation--just a friend with a name.
> >
> >questioning your claim that she is an authoratative source
> >with relevant first-hand knowledge.
> >
> >Because if she isn't, but is instead merely relating an
> >anectode she heard from someone else, it *is* a FOAF story.
>
> She was given as a reference by a close friend.
> e-mail address: Ro...@garnet.cla.sc.edu
And this proves what, exactly? That the person who owns this email address
will answer the question in the affirmative?
I would be happy to unload all those old cigarette packs I'd been saving for
that poor unfortunate sould who could trade them in for all that dialysis
they needed some time ago. Care to take them off my hands, hmm? Perhaps you
know where they can be traded in?
mellster--tired of reading old wives' tales here, wishes she had some juicy
bits that no one has already posted here first! :)
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LMoyer1
lindsay
MLYoung
>
>lindsay
>
Which books?
--margaret
>
>
MLYoung
> <MRD...@nicotine.sucks> wrote:
>>
>>Nope. I'm afraid it's not an FOAF
>>situation--just a friend with a name.
>
>We're not doubting the existence of your friend - just
>questioning your claim that she is an authoratative source
>with relevant first-hand knowledge.
>
>Because if she isn't, but is instead merely relating an
>anectode she heard from someone else, it *is* a FOAF story.
>
No. The FOAF syndrome includes
anonymity--when you try to track it,
you run out of names. That's not what's
happening here. Also, given that this
is from an M.D., there is a matter of
professional expertise--the condition
has various symptoms. In attempting
to verify the story, one might check to
see which, if any, symptoms JLC
manifests--that we can see.
As for my friend's existence, it was indeed
questioned. However, I don't think she's
the smoking gun UAL requires--she
would be evidence that the JLC matter
is presented as fact in a major medical
school.
--margaret
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John Francis
>On 03 Feb 2000 21:59:08 GMT, mly...@aol.comZAPTHIS (MLYoung) wrote:
>
>>>In article <8loj9s0uf9bj1i8c3...@4ax.com>,
>>> <MRD...@nicotine.sucks> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Nope. I'm afraid it's not an FOAF
>>>>situation--just a friend with a name.
>>>
>>>We're not doubting the existence of your friend - just
>>>questioning your claim that she is an authoratative source
>>>with relevant first-hand knowledge.
>>>
>>>Because if she isn't, but is instead merely relating an
>>>anectode she heard from someone else, it *is* a FOAF story.
>>>
>>
>>No. The FOAF syndrome includes
>>anonymity--when you try to track it,
>>you run out of names. That's not what's
>>happening here.
I don't think anonymity is necessary for it to be a FOAF story;
just that, no matter how far you track it, you never get to an
authoratative source. It wasd always something the teller had
heard, and passed on, without any first-hand knowledge.
And that is *exactly* what is happening here. In fact, when
pressed, the friend whose email was published (quite possibly
without her knowledge) suddenly became, in fact, not a direct
friend but a reference at one remove quoted as an authority
by the person who told MRDanes the story.
>>As for my friend's existence, it was indeed
>>questioned. However, I don't think she's
>>the smoking gun UAL requires--she
>>would be evidence that the JLC matter
>>is presented as fact in a major medical
>>school.
Possibly. Or, possibly, that the JRC story is passed on, as
unsubstantiated rumour, by students at a major medical school.
I don't think anybody would dispute that - people like to tell
stories; why should students be any different?
But we haven't heard *evidence* that this is prevented as fact;
we haven't even heard from anyone who claims to have heard this
story directly. It really is nothing but FOAF reports so far.
Leo G Simonetta
>In article <8loj9s0uf9bj1i8c3...@4ax.com>,
> <MRD...@nicotine.sucks> wrote:
>>
>>Nope. I'm afraid it's not an FOAF
>>situation--just a friend with a name.
>
>We're not doubting the existence of your friend - just
>questioning your claim that she is an authoratative source
>with relevant first-hand knowledge.
>
>Because if she isn't, but is instead merely relating an
>anectode she heard from someone else, it *is* a FOAF story.
And the mere facts that they claim to have heard it at Harvard
(or Stanford) and that they currently use her as an example do
not nearly pass muster as proof.
I would want to know;
Who said it to them.
Where this person heard it.
and (most importantly)
Is there any proof (other than mere assertion).
--
Leo G. Simonetta
lsimo...@my-dejanews.com
Maggie
>>> >Was Jamie Lee Curtis born as a hermaphrodite?
>>> >
>>> >A7.
>>> >Most probably not. People who know more wouldn't be free to talk about
>>> >it anyway.
>>>
>>> I can think of two medical schools,
>>> Harvard and Stanford, where they
>>> use JLC as an example of an XY
>>> female--her body doesn't process
>>> androgen, so she has the secondary
>>> sex characteristics of female rather
>>> than a male.
>>
>>Really? Which courses and which professors at Harvard and Stanford? And
>>what is your source for this statement?
>
>A friend of mine who attended Stanford
>Medical School was the original source
>of information--endocrinology, reproduction
>are the obvious areas of study where
>this would come up.
>
***I have a friend who went to medical school at Tulane who told me the same
thing (a professor used JLC as an example of a woman with an XY chromosome).
Doesn't mean it's true, but it does mean that the rumor has been given credence
in major medical schools.
Maggie
"Caution: Cape does not enable user to fly."
-Batman Costume warning label
Wull
sexuality????
Give it a rest and leave JLC alone.
Wull--who needs no proof and doesn't give a fig about peoples' chromosomes.
Peep...@webtv.net
>I have a friend who went to medical
>school at Tulane who told me the same
>thing (a professor used JLC as an
>example of a woman with an XY
>chromosome). Doesn't mean it's true, but
>it does mean that the rumor has been
>given credence in major medical schools.
No, it means you're spreading an urban-legend.
*yawn*
Feel free to provide the name of the professor.
The AFU crowd would love to contact him.
Hugs,
Janice
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Peep...@webtv.net
>>Two different psychology books of mine
>>list her as having an xy chromosome
>Which books?
*ROFLOLOLOLOL*
Hugs,
Janice....."There's (at least) one born every second."
Peep...@webtv.net
proudly proclaimed:
>As for my friend's existence, it was indeed
>questioned. However, I don't think she's
>the smoking gun UAL requires--she
>would be evidence that the JLC matter
>is presented as fact in a major medical
>school.
*LOL*
Dipshit, will you get-over-yourself, already.
Sheesh.
NO reputable med-school in the country would present JLC=hermaphrodite
as *fact*.
IF your alleged "friend" is presenting JLC=herm as *fact* to her
students, she should get tossed outta whatever college she's working at.
Duh.
Zip hugs,
Janice, advising AFU that "mlyoung" cluelessly posted a "blind item" to
ASG a few months back re: "a socialite who covered herself in
peanut-butter & was found-out at a surprise birthday party."
*LOL*
Lee Ann
the same thing (a professor used JLC as an example of a woman with an XY
chromosome). Doesn't mean it's true, but it does mean that the rumor has
been given credence in major medical schools.>>
The only basis upon which a medical school would "give credence" to the
rumor is if they had seen Curtis' medical records to confirm her
condition.
There's absolutely nothing in Curtis' outward appearance that indicates
she is a hermaphrodite.
I'm quite amused that some people believe the medical community is
isolated enough to allow this "secret knowledge" to remain contained
inside med schools.
Trust me, if it was common knowledge within the medical community, my
father and cousin as well as my doctor friends, would have shared it
with me long ago.
Lee Ann
Lee Ann
students, she should get tossed outta whatever college she's working
at.>>
Hmm, Margie said last night that it was "just gossip" that her teacher
friend was giving to her students.
Now, it's suddenly fact!?
So, which is it, Margie? Gossip or fact?
Lee Ann
Peep...@webtv.net
>How many urban legends follow this
>particular scenario--that the experts
>in the field are the ones spreading the
>rumor?
No, the experts in the field are not spreading the rumor. The rumor's
being spread by naifs/trolls like you who claim that one of their
friends was told in medical school by a teacher that Jamie Lee Curtis is
a real hermaphrodite.
S-h-e-e-s-h.
Now, how 'bout those pop rocks & Life cereal, Mags...............??
Did you know the University of Chicago tells its med-students that
mixing pop-rocks, milk, Coca-cola & Life cereal in the right amount can
produce a nuclear
reaction?!
Zip hugs, ditz,
Janice
Smoot
(LMoyer1) wrote:
> Two different psychology books of mine list her as having an xy chromosome
>
> lindsay
Fine, just tell us the titles, authors and publishers of these books.
Emma
--
"Joie de vivre is a sign that you're not paying attention."
Leon Wieseltier.
Write me at TheS...@aol.com.
Lee Ann
list her as having an xy chromosome>>
Only one, eh?
>>>Why would a genetic issue be in
>>>psychology books?
>>Maybe a discussion of the psychological
>>component of gender?
>If that were the case, wouldn't any write
>up of her alleged
>problem/condition/whatever-it-is be pure
>speculation, as she has never been
>publicly diagnosed nor has she admitted
>to it?
Actually, it would be a lot, lot worse than pure speculation.
Lee Ann (happy to eat my hat if there's any medical texts listing Curtis
as a hermaphrodite.)
Lee Ann
Peep...@webtv.net
>>>>Why would a genetic issue be in
>>>>psychology books?
>>>Maybe a discussion of the psychologic
>>>component of gender
>>If that were the case, wouldn't any write
>>up of her alleged
>>problem/condition/whatever-it-is be pure
>>speculation, as she has never been
>>publicly diagnosed nor has she admitted
>>to it?
>Actually, it would be a lot, lot worse than
>pure speculation.
Believe it, baby!!
& what a SICK & ghastly thing to "speculate" upon! Good God!
You know, I'm just *assuming* Poor Marge is nutZ-as-usual, but, what IF
this Ina Roy critter really DOES tell her class that it's a fact that
JLC's a clinical hermaphrodite.............?!
*shuDder*
Hugs,
Janice, hoping someone takes the time to contact 'Ima Boy' to straighten
this hoo-ha out.
Either she's being slandered by Crazy Mags or she deserves getting her
ass whupped H-A-R-D before an ethics committee.
And how!!
MLYoung
>lmo...@aol.com (LMoyer1) uttered:
>
>>Two different psychology books of mine list her as having an xy chromosome
>>
>
>
Maybe a discussion of the psychological
component of gender?
--margaret
>
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MLYoung
>just that, no matter how far you track it, you never get to an
>authoratative source. It wasd always something the teller had
>heard, and passed on, without any first-hand knowledge.
>
>And that is *exactly* what is happening here. In fact, when
>pressed, the friend whose email was published (quite possibly
>without her knowledge) suddenly became, in fact, not a direct
>friend but a reference at one remove quoted as an authority
>by the person who told MRDanes the story.
Er, no. I'm the person with the friend
who was told this in medical school.
Mr. Danes lifted my post out of alt.
showbiz.gossip. I'm also the one who
gave the name of my source, whose
existence as a grad of Stanford Med.
School can be checked independently.
As for first-hand knowledge, most of
what you think you know you didn't
learn first-hand. In this case, the rumor
is clearly widespread throughout the
medical profession--presumably the
very group of people who should be
able to tell if the rumor is unlikely,
simply because the syndrome comes
with particular symptoms.
How many urban legends follow this
particular scenario--that the experts
in the field are the ones spreading the
rumor?
Some years back there was a rumor
that a famous movie star had AIDS.
No one had a named source, but Rock
Hudson did have AIDS.
>>>As for my friend's existence, it was indeed
>>>questioned. However, I don't think she's
>>>the smoking gun UAL requires--she
>>>would be evidence that the JLC matter
>>>is presented as fact in a major medical
>>>school.
>
>Possibly. Or, possibly, that the JRC story is passed on, as
>unsubstantiated rumour, by students at a major medical school.
>I don't think anybody would dispute that - people like to tell
>stories; why should students be any different?
>
>But we haven't heard *evidence* that this is prevented as fact;
>we haven't even heard from anyone who claims to have heard this
>story directly. It really is nothing but FOAF reports so far.
Well, not you. I did, so we're in a different
situation. I think the thing to do is
to find out more about the condition.
See if there's anything that makes it more
or less likely that this is the situation
with Curtis. See what supporting
evidence there is or is not. Ask someone
who has expertise in the matter.
--margaret
>
>
>
Dawn Molina
having a chromosomal abnormality...
Her lawyers would have a field day....
Please.....if you are really out to start a rumor....be intelligent about
it...
<Peep...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Once again, an incompetent failed to recognize incompetency:
>
> >>Two different psychology books of mine
> >>list her as having an xy chromosome
>
> >Which books?
>
> *ROFLOLOLOLOL*
>
>
> Hugs,
> Janice....."There's (at least) one born every second."
>
Maggie
>>I have a friend who went to medical
>>school at Tulane who told me the same
>>thing (a professor used JLC as an
>>example of a woman with an XY
>>chromosome). Doesn't mean it's true, but
>>it does mean that the rumor has been
>>given credence in major medical schools.
>
>No, it means you're spreading an urban-legend.
>
>*yawn*
>
>Feel free to provide the name of the professor.
>
>The AFU crowd would love to contact him.
***Sounds like you need to familiarize yourself with the current status of this
story. The Urban Legends website concludes that the story may well be true but
that it's sort of useless to speculate about it since JLC won't discuss it and
there's no other way to know for sure.
This is, most assuredly, *not* an urban legend. Which doesn't mean it's
true--just that it hasn't been proven untrue.
Maggie
>Poor Marge *still* didn't get it:
>
>>particular scenario--that the experts
>>in the field are the ones spreading the
>>rumor?
>
>
>being spread by naifs/trolls like you who claim that one of their
>friends was told in medical school by a teacher that Jamie Lee Curtis is
>a real hermaphrodite.
>
>S-h-e-e-s-h.
***I'm not sure why you seem to be so invested in saying this story is an urban
legend. That's certainly not what the Urban Legends site says.
I don't generally find that MD's are particularly good sources for false
medical gossip, so I give them a little more credibility than I would anyone
else spreading the rumor. And I can assure you that doctors do lots of talking
among themselves about their patients.
Maggie < still trying to figure out why a doctor would bother making up stories
about a movie star
MLYoung
>>Feel free to provide the name of the professor.
>>
>>The AFU crowd would love to contact him.
>
>***Sounds like you need to familiarize yourself with the current status of
>this
>story. The Urban Legends website concludes that the story may well be true
>but
>that it's sort of useless to speculate about it since JLC won't discuss it
>and
>there's no other way to know for sure.
>
>This is, most assuredly, *not* an urban legend. Which doesn't mean it's
>true--just that it hasn't been proven untrue.
>
In other words, it's a rumor--like much
of what's discussed on ASG and this
rumor floats around the medical
profession where it's given enough
credence to be taught to students.
It's interesting to me that people find
it much easier to believe Tom Cruise
is gay than Jamie Lee Curtis might be
an XY female.
--margaret
>
>
>Maggie
>
>"Caution: Cape does not enable user to fly."
>-Batman Costume warning label
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>Newsgroups: alt.showbiz.gossip
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Jamie Lee Curtis an XY female Here is PROOF
MLYoung
<mly...@aol.comZAPTHIS> wrote...
>>>>reproduction are the
>>>>obvious areas of study
>>>>where
>>>>this would come up.
>>>>The Harvard reference is
>>>>less solid.
>>>You could become a hero in
>>>alt.folklore.urban if you
>>>could provide any proof for
>>>it (not to mention that you
>>>would get the professors
>>>supposedly doing this in
>>>*serious* trouble with
>>>medical ethics bodies).
>>Why? They're not her
>>physician, there's no
>>doctor/patient privilege
>>involved.
>>However, I do recall that
>>there was supposed to be
>>some
>>brouhaha about a published
>>reference
>>to it that JLC blocked--no
>>details on
>>that.
>the people who told you
>about it
>also by any chance on duty
>in the emergency room the
>night that unlucky gerbil
>was rushed in to have
>Richard Gere removed from
Nope. I'm afraid it's not
an FOAF
situation--just a friend
with a name.
If you really want to
check out her
existence, drop me an
e-mail and you
can look her up in
Stanford's alumni
directory.
On 02 Feb 2000 23:02:53
GMT, mly...@aol.comZAPTHIS
(MLYoung) wrote:
>><<I'm afraid that part of
>>the story is
>>verifiable. The student in
>>question
>>now teaches and does,
>>indeed,
>>use JLC as an example.
>>Name available on
>>request.>>
>>Go ahead and post her name,
>>dear.
>>A.s.g and the
>>alt.urban.folklore
>Ina Roy. Go ahead, look it
>up.
>--margaret
This Ina Roy?
http://www.cla.sc.edu/PHIL/scistud/roy.html Ina Roy
Department of Philosophy/Medical Humanities Tel. 803-777-3737
e-mail address: Ro...@garnet.cla.sc.edu
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
MLYoung
>>being spread by naifs/trolls like you who claim that one of their
>>friends was told in medical school by a teacher that Jamie Lee Curtis is
>>a real hermaphrodite.
>>
>>S-h-e-e-s-h.
She's not a hermaphrodite. You always
were rather ignorant, Shriek-Shriek.
You should get out more.
>
>***I'm not sure why you seem to be so invested in saying this story is an
>urban
>legend. That's certainly not what the Urban Legends site says.
>
>I don't generally find that MD's are particularly good sources for false
>medical gossip, so I give them a little more credibility than I would anyone
>else spreading the rumor. And I can
And, also, we haven't seen any one
here debunk the rumor who has any
kind of medical expertise.
assure you that doctors do lots of
>talking
>among themselves about their patients.
They share information all the time--
gossip's the flip side of consultation.
>
>Maggie < still trying to figure out why a doctor would bother making up
>stories
>about a movie star
Most of them wouldn't. I think, however,
that this is a rumor that a lot of people
don't want to believe. It's a little
disconcerting.
--margaret
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>From:
HOGARTH
>>>Two different psychology books of mine list her as having an xy chromosome
>>
>
>>Why would a genetic issue be in psychology books?
>>
>Maybe a discussion of the psychological
>component of gender?
>--margaret
No. "JLC as a hermaphrodite" is indeed mentioned in two *psychiatry* texts,
but in the chapters entitled: "Gullibility: It's Causes and Treatment," and
"Who's on First: The Functional Inhibitors in the Daily Life of the 'Gomer
Personality'".
HOGARTH
Sbensong
Somehow I feel Paul Mangetti is due for an appearance shortly. And will weigh
in on this very issue.
Dawn Molina
fingers in annoying expectation.....).....com' on....com'on....we IS
awaiting!!!!!!!!!
Dawn Molina
"AN xy chromosome"
Somebody hasnt gone too far in basic biology have they???
Hmmmm
Lee Ann <TRX-...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> <<Two different psychology books of mine
> list her as having an xy chromosome>>
>
> Only one, eh?
>
Dawn Molina
An xy female...
Uhhh...mmmmm....that would make her ...ohhh..thinking...,mmmmm..I think I am
gonna burst a brain cell on this one...
Uh...."male"?
(Now dont get me wrong here...I am not sure if the hermaphrodite is xyy or
xxy....or if its something other combination....I do think one of those is
common in downs syndrome...not to sure about that though...)
But I am pretty sure XY..(in fact yea..I know) is male....
Unless I truly am not aware of something...(which I am willing to conceed if
you can find someone who really knows about chromosomal abnormalities...)
MLYoung
>
>An xy female...
>
>Uhhh...mmmmm....that would make her ...ohhh..thinking...,mmmmm..I think I am
>gonna burst a brain cell on this one...
>
>Uh...."male"?
No. Look up "intersex".
>
>(Now dont get me wrong here...I am not sure if the hermaphrodite is xyy or
>xxy....or if its something other combination....I do think one of those is
>common in downs syndrome...not to sure about that though...)
>But I am pretty sure XY..(in fact yea..I know) is male....
Usually, but there are exceptions.
>
>Unless I truly am not aware of something...(which I am willing to conceed if
>you can find someone who really knows about chromosomal abnormalities...)
Look up "intersex" and "androgen
insensitivity".
--margaret
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MLYoung
>>Personality'".
>>
>>HOGARTH
>>
>
>Somehow I feel Paul Mangetti is due for an appearance shortly. And will
>weigh
>in on this very issue.
>
Hmmm, I believe "paul" has Klinefelter's
Syndrome.
--margaret
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>Subject: Re: Jamie Lee Curtis an XY female Here is PROOF
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Peep...@webtv.net
>Sounds like you need to familiarize
>yourself with the current status of this
>story. The Urban Legends website
>concludes that the story may well be true
As true as the possibility that the Pope is genetically a woman.
>but that it's sort of useless to speculate
>about it since JLC won't discuss it and
According to the Beeman character, JLC "steadfastly denies it."
& *that* whackjob is the main "source" cited for the rumor.
>there's no other way to know for sure.
Well, jeezass, there's no way to know for sure about ANYone without a
physical examination or a look at his/her medical-records.
>I don't generally find that MD's are
>particularly good sources for false medical
>gossip,
Your source was a friend, not an MD, sugar.
>so I give them a little more
>credibility than I would anyone else
>spreading the rumor.
Pls. *name* the MD(s) who are telling their students that JLC is
genetically a male.
Sheesh.
The AFU-folk will be happy to contact them.
>Maggie < still trying to figure out why a
>doctor would bother making up stories
>about a movie star
"A doctor" isn't gonna cut it, pumkin. *Name* him. If you can.
BTW, have *you* ever tried to figure why med-school instructors all over
the country (world?!) would routinely disclose to their students the
confidential medical-records of a living woman?!
Have *you* ever tried to figure why this esoteric "factual" *knowledge*
of the medical-community hasn't filtered its way to the "laity" by now
or been published in
ANY reputable source..........?!
And *what*, pray tell, do you think a prof would tell a student who
happened to ask, "Hey teach, how do you *know* JLC is genetically a
male?"
Hmmmmm..........?!
Hugs,
Janice
Peep...@webtv.net
>Somehow I feel Paul Mangetti is due for
>an appearance shortly. And will weigh in
>on this very issue.
Paul's dead.
A friend of mine said his Forensic Sciences prof told him.
:-(
Hugs,
Janice, hoping Paul earns his Wings.
Peep...@webtv.net
looked into the mirror & muttered:
>you need to get out more
BRAVA(O?)!!
Hugs to your new-found self-awareness, baby,
Janice
ja...@home.com
ljgrey...@home.com
> It's interesting to me that people find
> it much easier to believe Tom Cruise
> is gay than Jamie Lee Curtis might be
> an XY female.
>
Oh, that's not the problem, silly. It's disbelief in the various
attributions to medical schools and psychology books
Bitte...@aol.com
>
> The following extraordinary exchange took place:
>
> >>
> >
> >>
>
> >Maybe a discussion of the psychological
> >component of gender?
>
> >--margaret
>
> No. "JLC as a hermaphrodite" is indeed mentioned in two *psychiatry* texts,
> but in the chapters entitled: "Gullibility: It's Causes and Treatment," and
> Personality'".
>
> HOGARTH
Okay, this one definitely makes it a necessity to keep papertowels in my
office, to clean the coffee spewed thru the nose off the monitor...maybe
even a plastic cover for the keyboard....
Bitte
Still giggling over the "Gomer Personality"
Maggie
>>Sounds like you need to familiarize
>>yourself with the current status of this
>>story. The Urban Legends website
>>concludes that the story may well be true
>
>As true as the possibility that the Pope is genetically a woman.
***Sigh. Here's what the Urban Legends website says:
"Current status (as of March 1997): We don't and will probably never know, and
that's ok. JLC chooses not to discuss it, she has a right to her privacy, and
further speculation is tacky. In short, the rumor has no place in AFU.
In May 1996 the thread surrounding this FAQ entry resurfaced in AFU, where it
seems to be the firm majority opinion that this FAQ entry should and will
remain U. for two reasons. First, the one tiny group who could be presumed to
have an authoritative answer to the question, JLC's doctors, are ethically
bound by confidentiality. Second, the one other person who might speak to the
question, JLC herself, chooses not to. Speculation into such a personal area by
anyone else is certainly a discourteous and disrespectful invasion of Ms
Curtis' privacy."
End Quote
***BTW, there's nothing in the whole website about the Pope being female.
>
maggie said:
>>but that it's sort of useless to speculate
>>about it since JLC won't discuss it and
>
janice said:
>According to the Beeman character, JLC "steadfastly denies it."
>
>& *that* whackjob is the main "source" cited for the rumor.
***Well, yes. Same way Michael J. Fox used to deny he had Parkinson's and
Kevin Spacey continues to deny he's gay. The denial may be true or false, but
I certainly don't remember such a denial ever being considered the final word
on an issue like this. Why in the world do you consider it dispositive?
>
maggie said:
>>there's no other way to know for sure.
>
janice said:
>Well, jeezass, there's no way to know for sure about ANYone without a
>physical examination or a look at his/her medical-records.
***That's what I said.
>
maggie said:
>>I don't generally find that MD's are
>>particularly good sources for false medical
>>gossip,
>
Janice said:
>Your source was a friend, not an MD, sugar.
***You need to read a little more closely. My source, a very good friend, is
the head of pediatric surgery at one of the largest hospitals in the country.
I don't believe those kind of jobs are handed out to non-MD's.
maggie said:
>>so I give them a little more
>>credibility than I would anyone else
>>spreading the rumor.
>
janice said:
>Pls. *name* the MD(s) who are telling their students that JLC is
>genetically a male.
***I have no idea of the professor's name and I can't imagine why you care.
I've been reading this newsgroup for quite a while and I have yet to see you
question the sources of posters asserting (before his announcement) that
Michael J. Fox had Parkinsons or that Kevin Spacey is gay (just for instance).
I suspect this is more about some sort of adolescent pissing match between you
and margaret young than it is about JLC. After all, this *is* a gossip
newsgroup. If you're so opposed to gossip perhaps you'd be happier hanging out
at alt.justthefactsma'am.
>
janice said:
>Sheesh.
>
>The AFU-folk will be happy to contact them.
>
>>Maggie < still trying to figure out why a
>>doctor would bother making up stories
>>about a movie star
>
janice said:
>"A doctor" isn't gonna cut it, pumkin. *Name* him. If you can.
>
>BTW, have *you* ever tried to figure why med-school instructors all over
>the country (world?!) would routinely disclose to their students the
>confidential medical-records of a living woman?!
***Who said anything about "routinely"? I suppose it would surprise you to
learn that doctors, being human, talk about all sorts of things with their
students and other physicians. This doesn't mean that their information is
always 100% correct, but it's just silly to contend that it couldn't possibly
have happened.
>
janice said:
>Have *you* ever tried to figure why this esoteric "factual" *knowledge*
>of the medical-community hasn't filtered its way to the "laity" by now
>or been published in
>ANY reputable source..........?!
***I have no doubt that it's because no physician is willing to go on the
record with this information. As you've worn yourself out saying, above,
although these sorts of things are commonly discussed among physicians, it's
not considered ethical to reveal the information to the public. But I'm sure
you knew that.
>
janice said:
>And *what*, pray tell, do you think a prof would tell a student who
>happened to ask, "Hey teach, how do you *know* JLC is genetically a
>male?"
>
>Hmmmmm..........?!
***Perhaps you are confusing me with your arch nemesis, margaret young. I've
never offered anything as proof of JLC's chromosomal content. I've just passed
on some information I heard from a source I consider unimpeachable. You are
free to credit it, or disregard it, as you wish. But, again, getting your
panties all in a wad over *gossip* in a gossip newsgroup seems to be sort of
silly. You obviously have some issues about either JLC or margaret young that
need to be worked out.
Good luck.
Hugs.
MLYoung
>really want confirmation. After all,
>both ASG and AUL invest a great
>deal of energy in sneering--and sneering
>at the Jamie Lee Curtis rumor is
>a long tradition in AUL. P
Oops, AFU.
--margaret
MLYoung
>> an XY female.
>>
>
>Oh, that's not the problem, silly. It's disbelief in the various
>attributions to medical schools and psychology books
>
Well, that's why I gave you a name.
And let's see, out of all of you, one
wrote to a fellow professor of hers,
none of you directly to her, despite
Reetsy's threats.
The rest of you, I think, don't
a long tradition in AUL. Plus, clearly,
some of you are rather conventional
and, well, weirded out by the possibility.
AIS isn't common, but it's not impossibly
rare, either. Doctors talk and, in
this case, there are a couple of reasons
for doing so: one as an illustration
for students and, two, as mentioned
in the Sun, as an example for patients
with the same condition. Personally,
if I were a 15-year-old girl with AIS,
I'd find it reassuring to know about
Curtis. I'm sure more than one physician
thinks that.
As for hearing about the medical
conditions of other actors, those do
get leaked. However, Curtis has the
added disadvantage of having a
medically interesting condition. Most
actors don't. However, the late Andre
the Giant's medical condition was
certainly discussed.
--margaret
MLYoung
>to her actual medical records have been blabbing about this? And
>doesn't she have a right not to be used as a medical exhibit if she
>doesn't want it to be public knowledge? Why does she not have the same
>rights to privacy as the rest of us?
She does--well, almost, for a public
figure there's a different standard
under libel law. However, enforcing those
rights means making all too much of
this stuff a matter of public record.
Also, she'd have to know who blabbed--
given the number of people who would
have legal access to her medical
records, that might be hard to do.
--margaret
Fiona McQuarrie
: The Harvard reference is less solid.
I heard on the radio last night that JLC is going to get the Hasty Pudding
Award this year from the club at Harvard that awards such things. There is
also an award for male actors. If this story about what they teach at
Harvard Medical school is true, maybe the Hasty Pudding Club could have
one ceremony instead of two.
Cheers, Fiona
Peep...@webtv.net
***Sigh. Here's what the Urban Legends website says: "Current status (as
of March 1997): We don't and will probably never know, and that's ok.
JLC chooses not to discuss it,****
But this isn't accurate b/c, according to the Beeman whackjob (the major
contributor to this nonsense), JLC "steadfastly denies it."
***she has a right to her privacy,***
*Beeman* sure as heck doesn't think so, sugar. He submitted an article
for *publication* to the BALTIMORE SUN claiming that JLC was a genetic
male & then -- *after* the reference was editorially thwacked -- he
checked his "sources" and "discovered"/admitted that he had ZERO
evidence to back his claim.
IOW, the guy's an unethical, incompetent asswipe.
***and further speculation is tacky. In short, the rumor has no place in
AFU. In May 1996 the thread surrounding this FAQ entry resurfaced in
AFU, where it seems to be the firm majority opinion that this FAQ entry
should and will remain U. for two reasons. First, the one tiny group who
could be presumed to have an authoritative answer to the question, JLC's
doctors, are ethically bound by confidentiality. Second, the one other
person who might speak to the question, JLC herself, chooses not to.
Speculation into such a personal area by anyone else is certainly a
discourteous and disrespectful invasion of Ms Curtis' privacy."
End Quote***
Bottom line: there's ZIP evidence, zip citations.
***BTW, there's nothing in the whole website about the Pope being
female.***
*LOL*
***Well, yes. Same way Michael J. Fox used to deny he had Parkinson's
and Kevin Spacey continues to deny he's gay.
The denial may be true or false, but I certainly don't remember such a
denial ever being considered the final word on an issue like this. Why
in the world do you consider it dispositive?***
Are you THIS clueless? There's ZERO evidence, ZERO citations, "just
gossip", & JLC denies it.
IOW, there's ZERO reason for a rational person to believe it.
<<Well, jeezass, there's no way to know for sure about ANYone without a
physical examination or a look at his/her medical-records.>>
***That's what I said.***
Think about what you said, pumkin.
***You need to read a little more closely. My source, a very good
friend, is the head of pediatric surgery at one of the largest hospitals
in the country. I don't believe those kind of jobs are handed out to
non-MD's. ****
Feel free to provide his name, baby.
***I have no idea of the professor's name***
I'm sure your "very good friend" does.
***and I can't imagine why you care.***
Are you shitting me?! You're posting this to *AFU* & you wonder why
I/anyone cares?! This UL keeps spinning its wheels *ad infinitum* & I'm
*certainly* going to follow up claims of "authoratitive sources".
Believe it!!
***I've been reading this newsgroup for quite a while and I have yet to
see you question the sources of posters asserting (before his
announcement) that Michael J. Fox had Parkinsons****
Uh, as I recall, MJF was displaying many symptoms at the time. Many
people on his film set(s) were apprised of his situation.
***or that Kevin Spacey is gay (just for instance).***
*LOL*
Uh, I've heard of gay-dar, not herm-dar, baby.
& I'm sure it isn't Kevin's proctologist(s) who's spreading the rumors.
***I suspect this is more about some sort of adolescent pissing match
between you and margaret young than it is about JLC.***
Hey, Mags *is* the gameball of ASG, baby. Don't deny moi a little
cyber-fun........:-) Her posting the peanut-butter UL as a "blind item"
is one ASG's Ten Classic Moments.
***After all, this *is* a gossip newsgroup. If you're so opposed to
gossip perhaps you'd be happier hanging out at
alt.justthefactsma'am.****
But, Mags (the other one) wasn't presenting it as *gossip*, sugar. Poor
Marge claims that her teacher-friend is presenting it as a clinical fact
to her students. ALL we wanna is a reference, a source.
'Til then, we got absolutely ZIP.
Zip but derisive *LOL*s.
Hugs,
Peep...@webtv.net
>Uhhh...mmmmm....that would make her
>...ohhh..thinking...,mmmmm..I think I am
>gonna burst a brain cell on this one...
>Uh...."male"?
Yep, genetically male; phenotypically female.
Another name for AIS is male pseudo-hermaphroditism.
ASG shorthand: herm........;-)
Hugs, honey,
Susan Carroll-Clark
packe...@my-deja.com wrote in message <87ecgc$vbd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2000, 12:32pm (MST-1) From: MRD...@nicotine.sucks
>
>
>This Ina Roy?
>
>http://www.cla.sc.edu/PHIL/scistud/roy.html Ina Roy
>Department of Philosophy/Medical Humanities Tel. 803-777-3737
>e-mail address: Ro...@garnet.cla.sc.edu
Congratulations. You have proved that there is an Ina Roy. Unfortunately,
what you have just proven is that Ina Roy exists, not that the story is
true.
Susan "yes, Virginia...."Carroll-Clark
Drew Lawson
Anyway, I thought this troll was supposed to be providing a medical
Professor at Stanford. That's an awfully long commute from South
Carolina to Stanford.
Drew "you can look it up" Lawson
--
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|dr...@furrfu.com | So little time |
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Marty Lakewood
Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2000, 2:02pm
From: VMo...@nospam.com
lmo...@aol.com (LMoyer1) wrote:
>Two different psychology books of mine
>list her as having an xy chromosome
>lindsay
Which books are those.
*************************
There are none, of course.
This is an urban legend that winds its way through a lot of medical
schools because, given their areas of study, it's repeated there more
often than it is in the outside world.
There's never any authoritative source given for it and only the
greener, more credulous students take it to heart.
But, to be fair, sport, medical schools need to have their pranks. A
sense of humor is essential to developing a lucrative bed-side manner
for the otherwise earnest, white-jacketed drug salesman.
I know my GP's a hoot.
--Marty
*****************************
Can't you hear the pitter-pat?
And that happy tune is your step.
Life can be so sweet
On the sunny side of the street.
*****************************
Rita Hansard
>Hmmm, I believe "paul" has Klinefelter's
>Syndrome.
Paul, did you give Margaret permission to look in your genes?
Rita Hansard
>In other words, it's a rumor--like much
>of what's discussed on ASG and this
>rumor floats around the medical
>profession where it's given enough
>credence to be taught to students.
Somehow I feel responsible for this.
Bad Rita, Bad, Bad.
P.S. This one makes the file.
Joseph M. Shair
<MRD...@nicotine.sucks> wrote in message
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: >MLYoung <mly...@aol.comZAPTHIS> wrote...
: >
<something purported to be someone's name and phone number>
<hack/>
Did she give you permission to post her name and phone number
to an international medium?
Marty Lakewood
Date: Feb 4, 2000, 4:39am
From: maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC
***Sounds like you need to familiarize yourself with the current status
of this story. The Urban Legends website concludes that the story may
well be true
*********************
I visited the webpage, hardly an authoritative source on anything. It
was mostly filled with babble, including a delusional contention that
because Jamie didn't respond to some Usenet denizen's e-mail enquiring
about her genotype, that could be taken as some evidence that she is
indeed a genotypic male.
The lone intelligent contribution I read was from a Brown U. professor,
Anne Fausto Sterling:
> I have never written about Jamie Lee Curtis. I know nothing about her.
> And I'm not interested. I also resent having things that I never said
> attributed to me. Please read my published work ("The 5 Sexes"; in The
> Sciences March/April, 1993) and use that as my statement on the
> question of intersexuality. I am not in the business of speculating
> about the personal lives of well-known people.
Peep...@webtv.net
>>Maggie < still trying to figure out why a
>>doctor would bother making up stories
>>about a movie star
>You haven't worked with enough of them,
>then.
Believe it, baby!!
In fairness to docs, though, I doubt the UL was made up by them. Ditto
for the Richard Gere-bil UL & the UL re: Rod
having a gallon of rod-juice pumped from his paunch.
The Jamie Lee=herm thing seems to have been concoted to exploit JLC's
androgynous image/name.
Moi suspects the UL was hatched by some resentful critter(s) who found
her androgyny threatening to traditional concepts of gender-roles.
So.......
THIS gal's thinkin'.........
Phyllis Schlaffly.............;-)
OTOH, it *could* have been started by a wacky, rogue(?) member(s) of
JLC's PR-team.
It sure makes her unusually fascinating.
Hugs,
MLYoung
>>what you have just proven is that Ina Roy exists, not that the story is
>>true.
>
>Anyway, I thought this troll was supposed to be providing a medical
>Professor at Stanford. That's an awfully long commute from South
>Carolina to Stanford.
Yep. Of course, I said she had
been a medical student at Stanford not
that she was a professor there. Do
you ever pay attention? It would
make your debunking efforts more
credible.
--margaret
>
>
>Drew "you can look it up" Lawson
>--
>|Drew Lawson | So many newsgroups |
>|dr...@furrfu.com | So little time |
>|http://www.furrfu.com/ | |
>
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>Subject: Re: ***URGENT BULLETIN: Dr. Ina Roy of South Carolina University
>States That Film Actress Jamie Lee Curtis H
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maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie) wrote:
Merely because something was said in a classroom, no matter how
prestigious the institution, does not make it truth. Lots of bad
information is perpetuated that way. No one but she or her MD's would
know this information. People with higher degrees can be as highly
misinformed as anyone esle.
> ***I have a friend who went to medical school at Tulane who told me
the same
> thing (a professor used JLC as an example of a woman with an XY
chromosome).
> Doesn't mean it's true, but it does mean that the rumor has been given
credence
> in major medical schools.
>
> Maggie
>
> "Caution: Cape does not enable user to fly."
> -Batman Costume warning label
>
>
--
Robert A. Walker, Ph.D.
Biological Anthropologist
Anatomist
Waterloo, New York
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Before you buy.
rwal...@my-deja.com
maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie) wrote:
>
> I don't generally find that MD's are particularly good sources for
false
> medical gossip, so I give them a little more credibility than I would
anyone
> else spreading the rumor. And I can assure you that doctors do lots
of talking
> among themselves about their patients.
>
> Maggie < still trying to figure out why a doctor would bother making
up stories
> about a movie star
>
You haven't worked with enough of them, then.
--
t...@home.com
that and some standard hospital quality assurance crap, they discuss
patients only with those who need to know.#
Was married to one, and if you think that's true...LOL. They are a very
chatty group, and not just with "those who need to know." As in:
cocktail party gossip.
Dawn Molina
I wasnt aware of this :)
Thanks for the info :)
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> Dawn dit:
>
> >Uhhh...mmmmm....that would make her
> >...ohhh..thinking...,mmmmm..I think I am
> >gonna burst a brain cell on this one...
> >Uh...."male"?
>
> Yep, genetically male; phenotypically female.
>
> Another name for AIS is male pseudo-hermaphroditism.
>
> ASG shorthand: herm........;-)
>
>
> Hugs, honey,
MLYoung
Hmmm, I'm beginning to think the
real urban legend is that doctors don't
gossip.
--margaret (and the check's in the mail)
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: Jamie Lee Curtis an XY female Here is PROOF
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MLYoung
>
>This is an urban legend that winds its way through a lot of medical
>schools because, given their areas of study, it's repeated there more
>often than it is in the outside world.
And the point of this Urban Legend
would be?
>There's never any authoritative source given for it and only the
>greener, more credulous students take it to heart.
This is all quite amusing to watch, given
that only one person has tried to
contact Dr. Roy and only indirectly,
via another co-worker. This person
used a pseudonym--
wdtha...@webtv.com that has no
record on Deja. Why, oh why am I
*not* surprised by this.
Now, if any of you actually wanted to
investigate this rumor, you'd read up
on the subject, contact people in the
field and follow-up on Dr. Roy's
information. Oh, and you'd be willing
to use a real name. But none of you
have done the most rudimentary
research, (Well, Lee Ann did--and
"rudimentary" just about describes it--
she visited a Web site and made a
couple of bad deductions.) you've
simply squawked about how it couldn't
be true because . . . doctors don't
gossip. Most of you don't actually
want to bite the bullet, however, and
find out.
Here, kids, are some AIS symptoms:
Taller than average (JLC is 5'9"--much
taller than her mother)
Good skin--androgen is linked with
acne. If you find a pix of a zit-faced
Curtis, you can pretty much dismiss
the rumor.
Immature nipples--not breasts, nipples.
Lack or scarcity of pubic and underarm
hair.
Elongated arms and legs.
Inability to bear children.
You're always allowed to think, you know.
Or you could just admit to yourselves
that you don't really want to know.
--margaret
Maggie
>Merely because something was said in a classroom, no matter how
>prestigious the institution, does not make it truth. Lots of bad
>information is perpetuated that way. No one but she or her MD's would
>know this information. People with higher degrees can be as highly
>misinformed as anyone esle.
***Well, duh.
Maggie
>***Sigh. Here's what the Urban Legends website says: "Current status (as
>of March 1997): We don't and will probably never know, and that's ok.
>JLC chooses not to discuss it,
>
>But this isn't accurate b/c, according to the Beeman whackjob (the major
>contributor to this nonsense), JLC "steadfastly denies it."
>
>
>for *publication* to the BALTIMORE SUN claiming that JLC was a genetic
>male & then -- *after* the reference was editorially thwacked -- he
>checked his "sources" and "discovered"/admitted that he had ZERO
>evidence to back his claim.
***LOL. Now *this* sounds like an urban legend. Why in the world would a
respectable paper like the Baltimore Sun even consider publishing an article
about the chromosomal makeup of a movie star? I think you've been had. Sugar.
>
janice said:
>IOW, the guy's an unethical, incompetent asswipe.
***I can see that margaret is not the only one around here with whom you have
issues. I don't have a clue who Beeman is and he's certainly not my source for
any information. Sugar.
>
maggie quoted UL:
>***and further speculation is tacky. In short, the rumor has no place in
>AFU. In May 1996 the thread surrounding this FAQ entry resurfaced in
>AFU, where it seems to be the firm majority opinion that this FAQ entry
>should and will remain U. for two reasons. First, the one tiny group who
>could be presumed to have an authoritative answer to the question, JLC's
>doctors, are ethically bound by confidentiality. Second, the one other
>person who might speak to the question, JLC herself, chooses not to.
>Speculation into such a personal area by anyone else is certainly a
>discourteous and disrespectful invasion of Ms Curtis' privacy."
>End Quote
maggie said:
>***Well, yes. Same way Michael J. Fox used to deny he had Parkinson's
>and Kevin Spacey continues to deny he's gay.
>The denial may be true or false, but I certainly don't remember such a
>denial ever being considered the final word on an issue like this. Why
>in the world do you consider it dispositive?
>
janice said:
>Are you THIS clueless? There's ZERO evidence, ZERO citations, "just
>gossip", & JLC denies it.
>IOW, there's ZERO reason for a rational person to believe it.
>
>Get.over.it.
***Yep. Gossip. That's what we discuss around here--right? Is Ricky Martin
gay? Does Kate Jackson have MS? Who's the father of Jodie Foster's baby?
These issues for the most part haven't made it into the legitimate press, but,
like the JLC story, there's lots of talk about them. There's very little
objective evidence about lots of things discussed here--it doesn't make them
per se untrue or unfit topics of conversation.
I still can't figure out why this stupid little inconsequential piece of gossip
has you so hot and bothered. And yes, I'm amused by your increasingly
histrionic posts. So sue me.
maggie said:
>***You need to read a little more closely. My source, a very good
>friend, is the head of pediatric surgery at one of the largest hospitals
>in the country. I don't believe those kind of jobs are handed out to
>non-MD's.
>
janice said:
>Feel free to provide his name, baby.
****Her* name. Uh, baby. And I'm not about to drag her into your obsession.
If that leads you to think less of my claim, well, I guess I'll just have to
gather up my dignity and somehow muddle through the rest of my life with a huge
hole in my heart because you, for some unfathomable reason, think I'm lying.
Believe me, if I wanted to lie about this, I'd have a *much* better story.
>
maggie said:
>***I have no idea of the professor's name***
>
janice said:
>I'm sure your "very good friend" does.
***Agreed.
>
maggie said:
>***and I can't imagine why you care.***
>
janice said:
>Are you shitting me?! You're posting this to *AFU* & you wonder why
>I/anyone cares?! This UL keeps spinning its wheels *ad infinitum* & I'm
>*certainly* going to follow up claims of "authoratitive sources".
***I'm not posting anything to AFU. I've never even read it. I'm posting to
ASG. Sugar.
>
janice said:
>Believe it!!
***What a charming little literary tic.
>
maggie said:
>***I've been reading this newsgroup for quite a while and I have yet to
>see you question the sources of posters asserting (before his
>announcement) that Michael J. Fox had Parkinsons
>
janice said:
>Uh, as I recall, MJF was displaying many symptoms at the time. Many
>people on his film set(s) were apprised of his situation.
>
>***or that Kevin Spacey is gay (just for instance).***
>
>*LOL*
>
>Uh, I've heard of gay-dar, not herm-dar, baby.
>
>& I'm sure it isn't Kevin's proctologist(s) who's spreading the rumors.
***Not sure what your point is here. Gossip's gossip. I didn't know there
were requirements about the source or why MD's are considered poor sources.
And I certainly can't figure out why gaydar is somehow superior to information
from a medical professional. Perhaps you could put the acceptable sources in
some sort of list from most to least believable. Post 'em to your own webpage,
maybe. It might get your mind off that margaret/Beeman/JLC thing--break the
cycle, you know.
>
maggie said:
>***After all, this *is* a gossip newsgroup. If you're so opposed to
>gossip perhaps you'd be happier hanging out at
>alt.justthefactsma'am.
>
janice said:
>But, Mags (the other one) wasn't presenting it as *gossip*, sugar. Poor
>Marge claims that her teacher-friend is presenting it as a clinical fact
>to her students. ALL we wanna is a reference, a source.
>
>'Til then, we got absolutely ZIP.
>
>Zip but derisive *LOL*s.
***Again. I'm merely passing on something I was told by a source I consider
unimpeachable. Gossip, I believe it's called. Again. No one's requiring you
to believe it. Or even read my posts. It seems your real complaint is with
margaret, and perhaps with someone named Beeman. Maybe you should take it it
up with them. Sugar.
wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
mly...@aol.comZAPTHIS (MLYoung) usenetted:
> It's interesting to me that people find
> it much easier to believe Tom Cruise
> is gay than Jamie Lee Curtis might be
> an XY female.
Why? There are a helluva lot more gay men in the world than there are
androgen-insensitive XY "females".
wg
ASGTP#063
Peep...@webtv.net
>Margaret Young writes:
>>In other words, it's a rumor--like much
>>of what's discussed on ASG and this
>>rumor floats around the medical
>>profession where it's given enough
>>credence to be taught to students.
>Somehow I feel responsible for this.
Hey, don't hog ALL the credit, baby.....:-)
>Bad Rita, Bad, Bad.
When she was good, she was very good, BUT..............
>P.S. This one makes the file.
I'm beginning to think the bOzO pAgE is gonna be too painful to read for
anyone with a heart *&*/*or* a conscience.
It's like pickin' on a "'tard".
Hugs of concern,
Janice, worried that the ASG gameball is getting a tad TOO dumb to play
w/..................:-(
damonution
MLYoung wrote:
>
> Well, not you. I did, so we're in a different
> situation. I think the thing to do is
> to find out more about the condition.
> See if there's anything that makes it more
> or less likely that this is the situation
> with Curtis. See what supporting
> evidence there is or is not. Ask someone
> who has expertise in the matter.
>
xy females tend to be tall and lithe, like supermodels.
they are sterile.
there's no way to tell unless one [1] examines
her gentalia
[2] does dna testing.
unless someone has done either, this is a rumour.
--
Definition of hypocrisy- Conservative leaders trying to prevent Elian
Gonzalez from being returned to his father.
HOGARTH
<<***Again. I'm merely passing on something I was told by a source I consider
unimpeachable. Gossip, I believe it's called. Again. No one's requiring you
to believe it. Or even read my posts. It seems your real complaint is with
margaret, and perhaps with someone named Beeman. Maybe you should take it it
up with them. Sugar.>>
Amen, sister.
I'm thinking the Dame Young and La Peep should bitch-slap it out, behind the
pool hall.
BTW, Maggie, do you ski?
HOGARTH
damonution
MLYoung wrote:
> Now, if any of you actually wanted to
> investigate this rumor, you'd read up
> on the subject, contact people in the
> field and follow-up on Dr. Roy's
> information. Oh, and you'd be willing
> to use a real name. But none of you
> have done the most rudimentary
> research, (Well, Lee Ann did--and
> "rudimentary" just about describes it--
> she visited a Web site and made a
> couple of bad deductions.) you've
> simply squawked about how it couldn't
> be true because . . . doctors don't
> gossip.
i haven't seen anyone here say it couldn't be true.
alhtough i've only read about 100 of the posts.
what i have seen is people taking this allegation seriously.
now, i don't read much of this group, so maybe
this is unusual.
but wrt this allegation, it shouldn't be.
Most of you don't actually
> want to bite the bullet, however, and
> find out.
how????????
we need some verifiable source.
like her actual medical records,
an actual quote from her doctor, or one of her hairs.
> Here, kids, are some AIS symptoms:
>
> Taller than average (JLC is 5'9"--much
> taller than her mother)
actually, 5-9 is rather short for ais-
they're usually more like 6 fett.
>
> You're always allowed to think, you know.
> Or you could just admit to yourselves
> that you don't really want to know.
you can't handle the truth!
that's supposed tobe why people are resisting it?
i hear these rumors all the time about how kevin
spacey is gay.
i don't give one whit one way or the other, but
i think it's improper to assert he is unless there's
some verification.
butmaybe i'mt heonly one.
MLYoung
>information is perpetuated that way. No one but she or her MD's would
>know this information. People with higher degrees can be as highly
>misinformed as anyone esle.
>
>
>
Yeah, but you guys have yet to show
why the JLC scenario's unlikely.
--margaret
MLYoung
I didn't post her phone number. Of course
I had permission to post her name.
--margaret
MLYoung
>
>
>maybe people are objecting because gossip isn't proof?
>
>that's the only reason*i* am.
>
Well, it wasn't offered as Proof, that
was doing of somebody who picked up
the post, changed the thread title and
stuck it in AFU.
The original context of my post was
in response to a post that claimed
JLC was probably not a hermaphrodite.
I simply mentioned that people in
medical school were told she was an
XY female.
--margaret
MLYoung
And a lot more actors are said to be
gay than AIS females.
It's not that surprising that an AIS
female would be prominent--the syndrome
creates a body, our culture finds
attractive--tall, leggy, busty, narrow-hipped.
While it's not common, it's not as rare
as you might think--around 1 in 20,000
births, according to one estimate. One
Miss America is said to have been AIS
(no, no idea which one), as well as several
fashion models, several Olympic-level
athletes and, according to one theory, Joan of Arc and Elizabeth Tudor (though
I think I recall reading that she had
periods, which would rule that out.)
The rate of babies born with some intersex
characteristics is estimated by one source
to be 1 in 2,000. True hermaphroditism--
someone with ovotestes or an ovary and
a testis--is extremely rare.
It's an interesting subject.
--margaret
>
>wg
>
MLYoung
>> or less likely that this is the situation
>> with Curtis. See what supporting
>> evidence there is or is not. Ask someone
>> who has expertise in the matter.
>>
>
>xy females tend to be tall and lithe, like supermodels.
>
>they are sterile.
>
>
>there's no way to tell unless one [1] examines
>her gentalia
>[2] does dna testing.
>
>
>unless someone has done either, this is a rumour.
>
Agreed. That's what I said it was.
--margaret
>
>
>--
>Definition of hypocrisy- Conservative leaders trying to prevent Elian
>Gonzalez from being returned to his father.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Subject: Re: Jamie Lee Curtis an XY female Here is PROOF
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Peep...@webtv.net
***LOL. Now *this* sounds like an urban legend. Why in the world would a
respectable paper like the Baltimore Sun even consider publishing an
article about the chromosomal makeup of a movie star? I think you've
been had. Sugar.***
You're illiterate, sugar. The paper did *not* consider publishing the
reference to JLC. That's *why* I said it was editorially "thwacked"
from the article -- an article that *was* eventually published, btw,
sans any JLC reference.
***I can see that margaret is not the only one around here with whom you
have issues.***
*LOL*
You're really getting hot & bothered over me calling you "the other Mags
from AOL", eh?!
*** I don't have a clue who Beeman is and he's certainly not my source
for any information.***
Go to the AFU FAQ & find out, dippy. He's a central player in this UL.
***I still can't figure out why this stupid little inconsequential piece
of gossip has you so hot and bothered. And yes, I'm amused by your
increasingly histrionic posts. So sue me.***
*LOLOL*
WHY would I sue you for being amused by "my increasingly histrionic
posts"?!
Sheesh, talk about getting hot & bothered.
THIS gal tends to get a little *passionate* in my opinions, pumkin.
Sue me.....;-)
****Her* name. Uh, baby. And I'm not about to drag her into your
obsession. If that leads you to think less of my claim, well, I guess
I'll just have to gather up my dignity and somehow muddle through the
rest of my life with a huge hole in my heart because you, for some
unfathomable reason, think I'm lying. Believe me, if I wanted to lie
about this, I'd have a *much* better story.***
R-e-l-a-x, baby. Take a deep breath.
I won't subpoena you for the FOAF's name.
>Believe it!!
***What a charming little literary tic.***
Not nearly as charming as your very un-literary "***" tic.
Your posting-style is a TAD difficult to follow, if you don't mind me
sassing.
***Not sure what your point is here. Gossip's gossip. I didn't know
there were requirements about the source or why MD's are considered poor
sources. And I certainly can't figure out why gaydar is somehow superior
to information from a medical professional. Perhaps you could put the
acceptable sources in some sort of list from most to least believable.
Post 'em to your own webpage, maybe. It might get your mind off that
margaret/Beeman/JLC thing--break the cycle, you know. ***
Chill on the defensiveness, baby. We're all here to have fun.
***Again. I'm merely passing on something I was told by a source I
consider unimpeachable. Gossip, I believe it's called. Again. No one's
requiring you to believe it. Or even read my posts. It seems your real
complaint is with margaret, and perhaps with someone named Beeman. Maybe
you should take it it up with them. Sugar.***
My complaint's w/ ANYone who expects a rational person to *believe* the
JLC rumor based on the "FOAF, I've got a friend, my prof said" stories.
I'm AM glad, though, to hear you're not one of them, but I would
STRONGLY urge you to reconsider the "unimpeachability" of your source,
Virginia.
*LOLOLOL*
Hugs,
Janice
MLYoung
>>
>> Taller than average (JLC is 5'9"--much
>> taller than her mother)
>
>actually, 5-9 is rather short for ais-
>they're usually more like 6 fett.
They are taller than the average woman,
but not as tall as a man would be.
Neither of Curtis' parents is particularly
tall--Janet Leigh, I believe, is quite
petite.
>>
>> You're always allowed to think, you know.
>> Or you could just admit to yourselves
>> that you don't really want to know.
>
>you can't handle the truth!
>
>that's supposed tobe why people are resisting it?
No, but people have various vested
interests in not believing it.
--margaret
>
>i hear these rumors all the time about how kevin
>spacey is gay.
>i don't give one whit one way or the other, but
>i think it's improper to assert he is unless there's
>some verification.
>
>
>
>butmaybe i'mt heonly one.
>
Peep...@webtv.net
>Maggie astutely noted:
><<***Again. I'm merely passing on
>something I was told by a source I >consider unimpeachable. Gossip, I
Sugar, you *really* consider Maggie noting her belief in the
unimpeachability of her second-hand source re: JLC=herm to be "astute"?!
*ROFLOLOL*
Has the fever grippe-ed your "brain"....?!
>believe
>it's called. Again. No one's requiring you
>to believe it. Or even read my posts. It
>seems your real complaint is with
>margaret, and perhaps with someone
>named Beeman. Maybe you should take it
>it up with them. Sugar.>>
>Amen, sister.
Nema, brother.
>I'm thinking the Dame Young and La Peep
>should bitch-slap it out, behind the pool
>hall.
You itchin' for a bitchslap yourself, sailor?! 'Cuz there ain't nothing
left of Dame Young to bitchslap.
>BTW, Maggie, do you ski?
*LOLOLOL*
Sheesh, you really ARE desperate, baby.
I k-e-e-p telling you that just b/c you're 40 & never-been-married
doesN'T mean everybody's whispering "gay, gay, gay" behind your back.
Sheesh.........;-)
Now high-tail it to that kitchenette & start rattling those
"therapeutic" pots & pans.
Simon Slavin
VMo...@nospam.com wrote:
> On 03 Feb 2000 21:45:45 GMT, lmo...@aol.com (LMoyer1) wrote:
>
> >Two different psychology books of mine list her as having an xy chromosome
>
> Which books are those.
At least two readers of AFU can get Psychology textbooks quickly and
cheaply. Tell us which ones they are and we'll check them out.
Simon.
--
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No junk email please. | solve your problem, but it will prove
| a nice distraction from it. -- PC Jensen
VPaterno
"There is no such thing as accident. It is Fate--misnamed."
--title card, Erich Von Stroheim's "The Wedding March," 1928
packe...@my-deja.com
Actress Jamie Lee Curtis Has TESTES. . . ! ! ? ? ?
In article <87ecgc$vbd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
packe...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2000, 12:32pm (MST-1) From: MRD...@nicotine.sucks
>
> Jamie Lee Curtis an XY female Here is PROOF
> MLYoung
>
> <mly...@aol.comZAPTHIS> wrote...
>
> >>>>>>>Q7.
> >>>>>>>Was Jamie Lee Curtis born
> >>>>>>>as a hermaphrodite?
>
> >>>>>>>A7.
> >>>>>>>Most probably not. People
> >>>>>>>who know more wouldn't be
> >>>>>>>free to talk about it
> >>>>>>>anyway.
>
> >>>>>>I can think of two medical
> >>>>>>schools,
> >>>>>>Harvard and Stanford, where
> >>>>>>they
> >>>>>>use JLC as an example of an
> >>>>>>XY
> >>>>>>female--her body doesn't
> >>>>>>process
> >>>>>>androgen, so she has the
> >>>>>>secondary
> >>>>>>sex characteristics of
> >>>>>>female rather
> >>>>>>than a male.
>
> >>>>>Really? Which courses and
> >>>>>which professors at Harvard
> >>>>>and Stanford? And what is
> >>>>>your source for this
> >>>>>statement?
>
> >>>>A friend of mine who
> >>>>attended Stanford
> >>>>Medical School was the
> >>>>original source
> >>>>of
> >>>>information--endocrinology
> >>>>reproduction are the
> >>>>obvious areas of study
> >>>>where
> >>>>this would come up.
>
> >>>>The Harvard reference is
> >>>>less solid.
>
> >>>You could become a hero in
> >>>alt.folklore.urban if you
> >>>could provide any proof for
> >>>it (not to mention that you
> >>>would get the professors
> >>>supposedly doing this in
> >>>*serious* trouble with
> >>>medical ethics bodies).
>
> >>Why? They're not her
> >>physician, there's no
> >>doctor/patient privilege
> >>involved.
> >>However, I do recall that
> >>there was supposed to be
> >>some
> >>brouhaha about a published
> >>reference
> >>to it that JLC blocked--no
> >>details on
> >>that.
>
> >the people who told you
> >about it
> >also by any chance on duty
> >in the emergency room the
> >night that unlucky gerbil
> >was rushed in to have
> >Richard Gere removed from
>
> Nope. I'm afraid it's not
> an FOAF
> situation--just a friend
> with a name.
> If you really want to
> check out her
> existence, drop me an
> e-mail and you
> can look her up in
> Stanford's alumni
> directory.
>
> On 02 Feb 2000 23:02:53
> GMT, mly...@aol.comZAPTHIS
> (MLYoung) wrote:
>
> >><<I'm afraid that part of
> >>the story is
> >>verifiable. The student in
> >>question
> >>now teaches and does,
> >>indeed,
> >>use JLC as an example.
>
> >>Name available on
> >>request.>>
>
> >>Go ahead and post her name,
> >>dear.
>
> >>A.s.g and the
> >>alt.urban.folklore
>
> >Ina Roy. Go ahead, look it
> >up.
> >--margaret
>
> This Ina Roy?
>
> http://www.cla.sc.edu/PHIL/scistud/roy.html Ina Roy
> Department of Philosophy/Medical Humanities Tel. 803-777-3737
> e-mail address: Ro...@garnet.cla.sc.edu
Rita Hansard
>>Somehow I feel responsible for this.
>>Bad Rita, Bad, Bad.
>Hey, don't hog ALL the credit, baby.....:-)
I assign all credit to you. And don't call me a hot dog. I may be hot,
but I ain't no dog.
Now go take a bath, Jethrene.
Her Highness The Pink Princess
mly...@aol.comZAPTHIS (MLYoung) writes:
>The rate of babies born with some intersex
>characteristics is estimated by one source
>to be 1 in 2,000. True hermaphroditism--
>someone with ovotestes or an ovary and
>a testis--is extremely rare.
>
>It's an interesting subject.
>
>--margaret
>>
Yes, dahling, so true! I saw a piece on it on TV, one of those 20/20-60
Minutes kindda shows, and a doctor who specializes in such things had a slide
show that just made the whole thing even more confusing. He showed what
absolutely looked like a thingie and two do-dos, and yet he said it was the
genitallia of a female. Of *course* MDs make mistakes, it was more baffling
than what I've seen on Springer.
FWIW, I saw an interview with Janet Leigh, in which she addressed the subject,
(blaming the androgynous name), and using some old shrink tricks, I could
"tell" that she was did not believe what she was saying. This doesn't mean
that JLC is transgendered, just that JL's explination was fabricated.
Reigning and Deigning
Pink Wishes
The Princess \^*^*^/
COSTUMES! NOW!
MAGIC! NOW!
THE PRINCESS VIDEOS! NOW!
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hamilton
princ...@aol.comedy (Her Highness The Pink Princess) wrote:
> In article <20000205024135...@ng-cf1.aol.com>,
> mly...@aol.comZAPTHIS (MLYoung) writes:
>
> >The rate of babies born with some intersex
> >characteristics is estimated by one source
> >to be 1 in 2,000. True hermaphroditism--
> >someone with ovotestes or an ovary and
> >a testis--is extremely rare.
> >
> >It's an interesting subject.
> >
> >--margaret
> >>
>
> Yes, dahling, so true! I saw a piece on it on TV, one of those 20/20-60
> Minutes kindda shows, and a doctor who specializes in such things had a slide
> show that just made the whole thing even more confusing. He showed what
> absolutely looked like a thingie and two do-dos, and yet he said it was the
> genitallia of a female. Of *course* MDs make mistakes, it was more baffling
> than what I've seen on Springer.
>
> FWIW, I saw an interview with Janet Leigh, in which she addressed the subject,
> (blaming the androgynous name), and using some old shrink tricks, I could
> "tell" that she was did not believe what she was saying. This doesn't mean
> that JLC is transgendered, just that JL's explination was fabricated.
the condition that she is rumored to have is fairly common and does not
produce ambiguous external genitalia. XYs with this condition simply
develop externally as girls -- in earlier times, no one ever suspected
they weren't -- although
they often grew very tall, never menstruated or had children etc. Today
the internal testes are usually removed and estrogen given at the normal
age of puberty so that they appear to be females. The factor which
inhibits testosterone from developing male genitalia may also inhibit its
affect on the brain.
Maggie
>***I can see that margaret is not the only one around here with whom you
>have issues.
>
>*LOL*
>
>You're really getting hot & bothered over me calling you "the other Mags
>from AOL", eh?!
***Uh, is that supposed to be a derogatory term? I assumed it was just an
effort to distinguish me from margaret young. I'm surprised to hear that
someone with a webTV address would think that tagging another poster with "AOL"
would be insulting. Chutzpah is the word that comes to mind. One of the
words, anyway.
And, BTW, I was referring to your issues with Beeman, not me.
>
maggie said:
>*** I don't have a clue who Beeman is and he's certainly not my source
>for any information.
>
janice said:
>Go to the AFU FAQ & find out, dippy. He's a central player in this UL.
***Not as far as I am concerned. And I don't read AFU. Much less their FAQ.
Why in the world would I want to find out about this Beeman person? And why do
you call me dippy?
janice said:
>>Believe it!!
>
maggie said:
>***What a charming little literary tic.
>
janice said:
>Not nearly as charming as your very un-literary "***" tic.
>
>Your posting-style is a TAD difficult to follow, if you don't mind me
>sassing.
***Actually I get lots of compliments about my posting style--most people think
it's very easy to read. Somehow I'm not surprised that you have trouble,
though.
>
maggie said:
>***Again. I'm merely passing on something I was told by a source I
>consider unimpeachable. Gossip, I believe it's called. Again. No one's
>requiring you to believe it. Or even read my posts. It seems your real
>complaint is with margaret, and perhaps with someone named Beeman. Maybe
>you should take it it up with them. Sugar.
>
janice said:
>My complaint's w/ ANYone who expects a rational person to *believe* the
>JLC rumor based on the "FOAF, I've got a friend, my prof said" stories.
***Funny, isn't it, that you don't have the same problem with all the other
FOAF info being bandied about here? What *is* your obsession with this
perfectly innocuous little detail (that may or may not be true) about JLC?
Yes. I'm amused.
>
janice said:
>I'm AM glad, though, to hear you're not one of them, but I would
>STRONGLY urge you to reconsider the "unimpeachability" of your source,
>Virginia.
>
>*LOLOLOL*
***Why in the world do you care what *I* think about anything?
Ok. Maybe you are sort of hung up on me. I guess I'm flattered. Sorta.
Maggie
><<***Again. I'm merely passing on something I was told by a source I consider
>unimpeachable. Gossip, I believe it's called. Again. No one's requiring
>you
>to believe it. Or even read my posts. It seems your real complaint is
>with
>margaret, and perhaps with someone named Beeman. Maybe you should take
>it it
>up with them. Sugar.>>
>
HOGARTH said:
>Amen, sister.
>
>I'm thinking the Dame Young and La Peep should bitch-slap it out, behind
>the
>pool hall.
>
>BTW, Maggie, do you ski?
***I suspect I'm going to regret this, but why do you ask? (and, no, I don't)
Maggie
>the condition that she is rumored to have is fairly common and does not
>produce ambiguous external genitalia. XYs with this condition simply
>develop externally as girls -- in earlier times, no one ever suspected
>they weren't -- although
>they often grew very tall, never menstruated or had children etc. Today
>the internal testes are usually removed and estrogen given at the normal
>age of puberty so that they appear to be females. The factor which
>inhibits testosterone from developing male genitalia may also inhibit its
>affect on the brain.
***Yes! This is exactly what my friend told me that started this whole JLC
conversation I had with her. My friend (a pediatric surgeon) had operated on
the abdomen of a young girl for something or other and saw what should have
been an ovary, but didn't look like one to. She removed it (or part of it, I
don't know) and had it tested--turned out it wasn't an ovary, but was a
testicle. She said the same thing you did about how these things would have
never been known in the old days and mentioned that when you hear about a
"mistake" in an amnio where a child that had been typed "male" turns out to
appear female at birth, it's not always a mistake.
Interesting stuff.
Maggie
>while it is possible for a male fetus to get typed female if the mom's
>cells rather than the babies are sampled, it is not possible for a female
>to be typed male [unless the samples are actually switched at the lab]
***We're not talking about normal xx females here--we're talking about people
with external genitalia that appears female, yet their chromosomes say "male"
(xy). An amnio would, indeed, type such a person as male, while she would
appear female at birth.
Lee Ann
for the Richard Gere-bil UL & the UL re: Rod having a gallon of
rod-juice pumped from his paunch.
The Jamie Lee=herm thing seems to have been concoted to exploit JLC's
androgynous image/name.
Moi suspects the UL was hatched by some resentful critter(s) who found
her androgyny threatening to traditional concepts of gender-roles.
So.......
THIS gal's thinkin'.........
Phyllis Schlaffly.............;-) >>
LOL! I don't suspect Schlaffly, dear, but perfectly put. These ULs
involving celebrities *are* usually borne from resentment.
Lee Ann
Lee Ann
physicians. And I used to work in a hospital. I stand by what I said.>>
Father, doctor; mother, nurse. Lots of personal and family friends in
the medical profession. Not a one was ever taught that Curtis is an XY
female. Not a one believes the rumor any more than I do.
Lee Ann
Lee Ann
I'm certain she didn't. I bet Leigh couldn't believe she was addressing
such a bizarre rumor. She also perhaps didn't want to go into the
issues of her daughter's androgynous image/appeal which is most likely
the genesis of the UL so she simply blamed it on the ambiguous name.
Lee Ann
Brian OConaill
Susan Carroll-Clark wrote in message ...
>
>Congratulations. You have proved that there is an Ina Roy. Unfortunately,
>what you have just proven is that Ina Roy exists, not that the story is
>true.
>
>Susan "yes, Virginia...."Carroll-Clark
I'm assuming you aren't posting in ASG so it's understandable you aren't
aware that the posting of that address was aimed at antagonising Margaret
Young rather than providing evidence of anything.
Brian
Lee Ann
Uh, no, dear, it's not fairly common.
Lee Ann
HOGARTH
>>BTW, Maggie, do you ski?
>
>***I suspect I'm going to regret this, but why do you ask? (and, no, I
>don't)
Well, if you ever tire of this pecking and scratching, drop into Aspen and
ol'Hogarth will give you a free lesson.
HOGARTH
Maggie
>
>Uh, no, dear, it's not fairly common.
***I wouldn't call it common, either, at an estimated 1 in 20,400 male births,
but I was interested to read that it's the third most common reason for primary
amenorrhoea (lack of periods). FWIW, the source I consulted listed the
incidence of AIS at between 1 in 2,000 and 1 in 65,000.
HOGARTH
>>Maggie astutely noted:
>
>><<***Again. I'm merely passing on
>>something I was told by a source I >consider unimpeachable. Gossip, I
>
>Sugar, you *really* consider Maggie noting her belief in the
>unimpeachability of her second-hand source re: JLC=herm to be "astute"?!
I believe she cited the doc-figure as a source for gossip, not fact. But I
might have been blinded by her utterly charming post.
>>BTW, Maggie, do you ski?
>
>*LOLOLOL*
>
>Sheesh, you really ARE desperate, baby.
>
>I k-e-e-p telling you that just b/c you're 40 & never-been-married
>doesN'T mean everybody's whispering "gay, gay, gay" behind your back.
Not desperate, baby cakes, just a typical man, part hound, part gorilla.
There's so little manly hardihood in this NG that I'm not surprised you think
I'm just being insecure.
>Now high-tail it to that kitchenette & start rattling those
>"therapeutic" pots & pans.
Well! A therapeutic session is scheduled for this very day. I'll be preparing
beef tenderloin with black peppercorn sauce & all the 'fixins. All the more
enjoyable knowing you'll be grubbing at whatever gristle DeWayne throws your
way.
Bon Appetit!
HOGARTH
Maggie
>>>BTW, Maggie, do you ski?
>>
>>***I suspect I'm going to regret this, but why do you ask? (and, no, I
>>don't)
>
>Well, if you ever tire of this pecking and scratching, drop into Aspen and
>ol'Hogarth will give you a free lesson.
***Sounds like fun. Can I bring my husband and three kids?
rwal...@my-deja.com
mly...@aol.comZAPTHIS (MLYoung) wrote:
> > Lots of bad
> >information is perpetuated that way. No one but she or her MD's
would
> >know this information. People with higher degrees can be as highly
> >misinformed as anyone esle.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, but you guys have yet to show
> why the JLC scenario's unlikely.
>
> --margaret
>
Any apparent phenotypic female who has not given birth could potentially
be suffering from AIS. No one but her MD is likely to know. There is
nothing for anyone else to "prove." And anyway, she's denied it and
that's enough for me.
--
Robert A. Walker, Ph.D.
Biological Anthropologist
Anatomist
Waterloo, New York
Peep...@webtv.net
>Peeps:
>>>>Somehow I feel responsible for this.
>>>Bad Rita, Bad, Bad.
>>Hey, don't hog ALL the credit, baby.....:-)
>I assign all credit to you.
Happy to hawg it, honey.......:o)....:O)
>And don't call me a hot dog. I may be hot,
>but I ain't no dog.
Well, *meow*, *meow*, *hissss*, girlfriend.
>Now go take a bath, Jethrene.
Draw me one, Granny & make it a double-wide. I'm fixin' to take my
critters with me.
Hugs,
Jethrene
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Peep...@webtv.net
C'est vrai, bebe. I'm sure Miss Janet was QUITE uncomfortable
addressing this persistent & bizarre rumor. Imagine someone asking Mrs.
Gere or Mrs. Stewart about why their respective sons' ULs
JustWon'tDie....................?!
*LOLOLOL*
Hugs,
Janice, who ALways finds it more interesting to see who's actually
~gullible~ enough to *believe* these ULs........
Dang straight!!