Natalie Wood & Robert Wagner --> old gossip
Miz Edwina
WOOD CAUGHT ROBERT WAGNER IN BED -- WITH A MAN!.
Well, I have some questions to ask about Natalie & RJ. I hope someone can help
answer them.
1. Alledgedly, according to a new book titled NATASHA: THE BIOGRAPHY OF NATALIE
WOOD (author is Suzanne Finstad), Natalie caught Robert in bed (in 1962)
w/another man. Does anyone know if this man was perhaps another actor? The
GLOBE article does not say so. I'm just curious. This supposed incident
happened back when she & RJ were married for the 1st time. It's one of the
reasons the book says led them to divorce. Back then, RJ explained it to
Natalie as he was experimenting sexually but that he knew in his heart he was
heterosexual.
2. Also, at age 15, the article says Natalie was raped by someone who is
described as a "legendary Hollywood action hero who betrayed her young trust".
Supposedly, the trauma led her to embrace a lifetime of sexual promiscuity.
Quoting the GLOBE article:
"This book doesn't name the rapist, who is still living," notes the source. But
this man's shameful past life as a serial sexual predator was later revealed by
his own wife!"
OK. Who is he? Just about everyone I can think of is dead now. TIA.
Edwina
Teebu Philip
On 20 Apr 2001, Miz Edwina wrote:
>
> Quoting the GLOBE article:
> "This book doesn't name the rapist, who is still living," notes the source. But
> this man's shameful past life as a serial sexual predator was later revealed by
> his own wife!"
>
> OK. Who is he? Just about everyone I can think of is dead now. TIA.
>
Bill Clinton! :)
mslinda
I hope it's Charlton Heston. ;-)
Linda C.
mslinda
Natalie was born in 1938 and would have been 15 in 1953. That year she
made "The Silver Chalice" with Jack Palance. He's still around, isn't he?
Linda C.
The Avocado Avenger
>Teebu Philip wrote:
>> On 20 Apr 2001, Miz Edwina wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Quoting the GLOBE article:
>> > "This book doesn't name the rapist, who is still living," notes the
>> > source. But this man's shameful past life as a serial sexual
>> > predator was later revealed by his own wife!"
>> >
>> > OK. Who is he? Just about everyone I can think of is dead now. TIA.
>>
>made "The Silver Chalice" with Jack Palance. He's still around, isn't he?
The following year she made "Rebel Without A Cause", and Dennis Hopper
played a hoodlum in the movie. It could be him, I suppose, although he
wasn't much older than her. There aren't really any other candidates.
Also, at age 15, any sexual activity is legally "rape" so she may have
been consenting but under-aged. I just don't remember Palance's wife ever
stating he was a sexual predator, but she may have.
Stacia * The Avocado Avenger * Life is a tale told by an idiot;
http://www.io.com/~stacia/ * Full of sound and fury,
There is no guacamole anywhere. * Signifying nothing.
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Boffman
>played a hoodlum in the movie. It could be him, I suppose,
I think Dennis Hooper is capable of rape. I do. He's bad news.
mslinda
But the item ran: Also, at age 15, the article says Natalie was raped by
someone who is
described as a "legendary Hollywood action hero who betrayed her young trust".
I don't think of Hopper or Newman as action heroes. And it sounds like
the rape was forcible rather than statutory.
Linda C.
LMF
>> "This book doesn't name the rapist, who is still living," notes the source. But
>> this man's shameful past life as a serial sexual predator was later revealed by
>> his own wife!"
>
Ronald Reagan, Nancy is very bitter.
lechugon
mslinda wrote:
It can't be Heston, he's not a Democrat.
John
Mametsuki
Mametsuki
mslinda
>
> what about the guy Wanger,oops. I mean Wagner, was boffing?
> Mametsuki
What about him?
Linda C.
Bastard Toadflax
mslinda wrote:
He got boffed apparently.
Sam (i'm told that can be painful) Sands
>
>
> Linda C.
BritaS5118
>someone who is
>described as a "legendary Hollywood action hero who betrayed her young
>trust".
>
Palance is an action villain. Other possibilities are Kirk Douglas, Clint
Eastwood or James Garner. Surprisingly, Sean Connery was working in Hollywood
in 1955 as an extra.
E Varden
>
>
> Natalie was born in 1938 and would have been 15 in 1953. That year she
> made "The Silver Chalice" with Jack Palance. He's still around, isn't he?
>
Yes!
Pe (what kind of wood doesn't float?)
maryanne kehoe
Could this have been Jack Nicholson? Didn't Natalie (early in her
career) make a couple of films with Jack where they were bit players? (I
think it was right before she made "Inside Daisy Clover")
maryanne kehoe
JGrotowski
>described as a "legendary Hollywood action hero who betrayed her young
>trust".
>Supposedly, the trauma led her to embrace a lifetime of sexual promiscuity.
>
She did a TV show with Ronald Reagan in 1953.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/movie-1066286/about.php
Sidney Falco
about that time. there exists a classic still photo of dean holding a
gun on him...
"I don't mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy." -- Samuel Butler
Lisa
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My money is on Kirk Douglas. He is both a legendary action hero and he was
known to fool around a LOT.
He's as creepy as his son.
Miz Edwina
>played a hoodlum in the movie. It could be him, I suppose, >>
boffman wrote:
<< I think Dennis Hooper is capable of rape. I do. He's bad news. >>
Agreed. He is ultra-creepy.
But was he ever an "action hero"?
Edwina
Miz Edwina
>
> > The following year she made "Rebel Without A Cause", and Dennis Hopper
> >played a hoodlum in the movie. It could be him, I suppose,
>
> I think Dennis Hooper is capable of rape. I do. He's bad news. >>
Linda C. wrote:
<< But the item ran: Also, at age 15, the article says Natalie was raped by
someone who is
described as a "legendary Hollywood action hero who betrayed her young trust".
I don't think of Hopper or Newman as action heroes. And it sounds like
the rape was forcible rather than statutory. >>
You're right about the rape. It was described as brutal.
Edwina
Miz Edwina
I agree that Palance has been an action villian -- not hero. The year would
have been 1953. Was Connery & Eastwood in Hollywood at that time? Have the
wives of any of these actors ever said anything negative about them?
Edwina
Annie RUtahkn2Me
>My money is on Kirk Douglas. He is both a legendary action hero and he was
>known to fool around a LOT.
>
>He's as creepy as his son.
>
What movie was Natalie Wood in with Kirk Douglas? Nothing comes to mind.
I agree about Douglas being someone capable of forcing himself on a young girl.
He's always seemed like a huge egomaniac.
All I ever used to read about Kirk was what a womanizing Hollywood pig he was.
Didn't Michael's mother write about that in her autobiography a few years ago?
Then, Douglas had a stroke and gained instant sainthood. As if sudden,
terrible illness turns a lifelong bastard into an angel.
What a crock!
Annie RU
mslinda
>
> >From: "Lisa" ekea...@uswest.net
>
> >My money is on Kirk Douglas. He is both a legendary action hero and he was
> >known to fool around a LOT.
> >
> >He's as creepy as his son.
> >
>
> What movie was Natalie Wood in with Kirk Douglas? Nothing comes to mind.
>
rapist could have been someone making a movie on the same lot or a
family friend.
Linda C.
Rainey Bowels
"Miz Edwina" <mize...@aol.com> wrote in message...
> Was Connery & Eastwood in Hollywood at that time? Have the
> wives of any of these actors ever said anything negative about them?
Sean Connery's former wife Diane Cilento and his former lover Lyndsey De
Paul have both been on record stating that Sean Connery had physically
abused them in the past.
Lisa
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And now he's leering at Catherine Zeta Jones-- has said on several occasions
that if his son hadn't married her, he would!!! What a creep!
>
>
>
Miz Edwina
> Was Connery & Eastwood in Hollywood at that time? Have the
> wives of any of these actors ever said anything negative about them? >>
rainey_bowels wrote:
<< Sean Connery's former wife Diane Cilento and his former lover Lyndsey De
Paul have both been on record stating that Sean Connery had physically
abused them in the past. >>
True. But, back in '53, I thought Connery was still doing things to get
discovered in England like modeling & the Mr. Universe contest. Anyway, none of
this means that he wasn't capable of violence. I just don't think he was in the
US at the crucial time period? Anyone know if he was here in '53?
Edwina
Miz Edwina
>
> >From: "Lisa" ekea...@uswest.net
>
> >My money is on Kirk Douglas. He is both a legendary action hero and he was
> >known to fool around a LOT.
> >
> >He's as creepy as his son.
> >
>
> What movie was Natalie Wood in with Kirk Douglas? Nothing comes to mind.
> >>
Linda C. wrote:
<< According to the IMDB, they never made a film together. Of course, the
rapist could have been someone making a movie on the same lot or a
family friend.>>
Kirk Douglas makes for an interesting guess. Didn't both he & Natalie have
parents who were Russian emigrants to this country?
Edwina
Miz Edwina
Edwina
Alan wrote:
<< Yeah... the original never said she acted with him in a movie, did it?>>
<< On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:02:29 GMT, mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net> gave
this insight:
:Annie RUtahkn2Me wrote:
:>
:> >From: "Lisa" ekea...@uswest.net
:>
:> >My money is on Kirk Douglas. He is both a legendary action hero and he was
:> >known to fool around a LOT.
:> >
:> >He's as creepy as his son.
:> >
:>
:> What movie was Natalie Wood in with Kirk Douglas? Nothing comes to mind.
:>
:According to the IMDB, they never made a film together. Of course, the
:rapist could have been someone making a movie on the same lot or a
:family friend.
:
:Linda C.
: >>
Lisa
Everything points to him, the bastard. I never much liked Natalie Wood, but
if this is true I feel sorry for her. I suppose the studio protected him and
she was too young/intimidated to file charges.
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> Yeah... the original never said she acted with him in a movie, did it?
>
> Alan
>
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:02:29 GMT, mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net> gave
> this insight:
>
> :
>
>
BritaS5118
>discovered in England like modeling & the Mr. Universe contest. Anyway, none
>of
>this means that he wasn't capable of violence. I just don't think he was in
>the
>US at the crucial time period? Anyone know if he was here in '53?
>
>Edwina
>
>
>
His first IMDB credit is as an extra for a Hollywood movie called Lilacs in the
Snow in 1955. Doubt if they'd be traveling in the same social circles. I don't
think he'd be described as a Hollywood action hero--international action hero
is more like it.
My guess is Douglas or Charlton Heston.
The Avocado Avenger
>britas wrote:
><< Palance is an action villain. Other possibilities are Kirk Douglas, Clint
>Eastwood or James Garner. Surprisingly, Sean Connery was working in Hollywood
>in 1955 as an extra. >>
I looked in the IMDb listings for Wood's movies during 1952-1955, just
in case the age was fudged a bit in the BI. She didn't work with Douglas,
Eastwood, Garner, or Connery during those years. The only actors who
could be described as legendary action heroes and who are still alive are
Jack Palance, Paul Newman, and Dennis Hopper.
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There is no guacamole anywhere. * Signifying nothing.
The Avocado Avenger
>No. Didn't say they were co stars. I am almost certain it's Kirk Douglas.
>Everything points to him, the bastard.
Hrm, if they didn't have to be co-stars it could be almost anyone.
Still, Connery would be unlikely. Has Douglas' wife ever come out and
said he was a sexual predator or anything as the BI said?
I've got some long-distant memory of someone coming out and saying that
their husband was a nasty person, and this BI reminded me of it, but I
just can't remember *who* it was. It could have been Douglas' wife said
something before his stroke; nothing since his stroke has been negative.
mslinda
>
> mize...@aol.com (Miz Edwina) writes:
>
> >britas wrote:
> ><< Palance is an action villain. Other possibilities are Kirk Douglas, Clint
> >Eastwood or James Garner. Surprisingly, Sean Connery was working in Hollywood
> >in 1955 as an extra. >>
>
> I looked in the IMDb listings for Wood's movies during 1952-1955, just
> in case the age was fudged a bit in the BI. She didn't work with Douglas,
> Eastwood, Garner, or Connery during those years. The only actors who
> could be described as legendary action heroes and who are still alive are
> Jack Palance, Paul Newman, and Dennis Hopper.
>
Linda C.
Jinxblues
>NATALIE
>WOOD (author is Suzanne Finstad), Natalie caught Robert in bed (in 1962)
>w/another man. Does anyone know if this man was perhaps another actor? The
>GLOBE article does not say so.
I heard a long long time ago that Robert Wagner was having sex with Christopher
Walken the night that she went overboard and drowned.
I'm surprised that this news group doesn't consider this to be old news that
everyone knew about . . .
maryanne kehoe
I seem to recall years ago, reading an interview with Robert Wagner,
where he mentioned something that happened to Natalie when she was a
kid....I got the impression that RJ knows who this guy is, and if so,
why didn't he confront the guy when Natalie was alive?
I am sure there is no time limit to prosecuting statutory rape anywhere
in the US.
Miz Edwina
>NATALIE
>WOOD (author is Suzanne Finstad), Natalie caught Robert in bed (in 1962)
>w/another man. Does anyone know if this man was perhaps another actor? The
>GLOBE article does not say so. >>
Jinxblues wrote:
<< I heard a long long time ago that Robert Wagner was having sex with
Christopher
Walken the night that she went overboard and drowned.
I'm surprised that this news group doesn't consider this to be old news that
everyone knew about . . . >>
You're right that Wagner's alledged bisexuality isn't a new rumor . . . just
the 1st time I think the rumor has been put to print in a book. Like you say,
it's been gossiped about for years. FWIW, this GLOBE article doesn't address
all the gay rumors surrounding Wagner. It alludes only to one gay love affair
back in 1962 which caused the collapse of the Wagner/Wood 1st marriage.
Also, the article doesn't suggest the rumor that Wagner & Walken were
alledgedly lovers the night of Natalie's death. Maybe the book will? I don't
know. There is no mention of Walken in the GLOBE article.
One thing the article does say about the night Natalie died is that Wagner was
alledgedly AWAKE but DRUNK when Natalie died. He had maintained he was asleep
at the time she drowned.
Here's a quote from the GLOBE article:
Finstad says Wagner swore yacht captain Dennis Davern to secrecy after telling
him that "he would be tormented to his dying day."
Edwina
icyfl...@nf.sympatico.ca
Can somebody please fill me and anybody else in. I've inferred so far that
Natalie had been raped, but how-violently and forcefully or was she just
ravished. I heard a story about how when she was a young girl she gave up
her virginity to Nick Wilder i believe but his penis was too big for her or
something and it was therefore a bad experience-or was that Lesley Ann
Warren.
Icy.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Miz Edwina
<< Sorry but i didn't catch the first part of what this story is all about.
Can somebody please fill me and anybody else in. I've inferred so far that
Natalie had been raped, but how-violently and forcefully or was she just
ravished. I heard a story about how when she was a young girl she gave up
her virginity to Nick Wilder i believe but his penis was too big for her or
something and it was therefore a bad experience-or was that Lesley Ann
Warren. >>
It might have been Lesley Ann. I don't know.
We were discussing a new biography of Natalie Wood coming out this summer. The
GLOBE is doing a cover story this week on the book called Natasha: The
Biography of Natalie Wood. One shocking part of the book says Natalie was
brutally raped at age 15 by "a legendary Hollywood action hero who betrayed her
young trust". There is no indication of how brutal the rape was from the
article other than the article describing it as "traumatic" and a "brutal
rape". The book alledges the trauma led Natalie to embrace a lifetime of sexual
promiscuity. We are trying to guess who Natalie's rapist was?
Accoding to the GLOBE:
"The book doesn't name the rapist, who is still living", notes the source. "But
this man's shameful past life as a serial sexual predator was later revealed by
his own wife!"
The shattering rape triggered Wood's self-esteem problems in her teens and 20s,
leading her to accept every lecherous come-on from studio honchos and stars as
"the unavoidable trade-off for success."
The book reveals Wood's "reckless prosmiscuity" from age 15 on, with such
lovers as Rebel Without a Cause director Nicholas Ray, Frank Sinatra, actor
Dennis Hopper, and even Elvis Presley."
We've had lots of different guesses. Most people seem to be guessing Kirk
Douglas lately.
Edwina
Annie RUtahkn2Me
>Sorry but i didn't catch the first part of what this story is all about.
>Can somebody please fill me and anybody else in. I've inferred so far that
>Natalie had been raped, but how-violently and forcefully or was she just
>ravished. I heard a story about how when she was a young girl she gave up
>her virginity to Nick Wilder i believe but his penis was too big for her or
>something and it was therefore a bad experience-or was that Lesley Ann
>Warren.
>
>Icy.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Who is Nick Wilder?
The name doesn't ring a bell with me. TIA
Annie RU
E Varden
>
[Kirk Douglas]
> And now he's leering at Catherine Zeta Jones-- has said on several occasions
> that if his son hadn't married her, he would!!! What a creep!
As if Catherine ZJ would have no say in this arrangement...
Pe
Sally G. Waters
"maryanne kehoe" <atl...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> I am sure there is no time limit to prosecuting statutory rape anywhere
> in the US.
Wrong. This depends on state law, and the states differ on their
limitations of action. For example, in Florida (Fla. Stat. 775.15),
there is an exception for sexual battery, but NOT that it can
be prosecuted at any time. (And many states will view statutory
rape - basically, sex with a minor - as different from a sexual
assault by force or without consent.)
Sally
maryanne kehoe
But as I recall the argument RJ had was with Natalie (supposedly about
her heavy drinking) and it escalated from there, with Walken getting
involved and he and RJ having a fight about it (with Christopher taking
Natalie's side that she only "had a few glasses of wine").
mslinda
>
> The book reveals Wood's "reckless prosmiscuity" from age 15 on, with such
> lovers as Rebel Without a Cause director Nicholas Ray, Frank Sinatra, actor
> Dennis Hopper, and even Elvis Presley."
>
What so they mean "even Elvis Presley?" Elvis took Nat home to Graceland
to meet his mom, and they were an item for months. It was certainly no secret.
Linda C.
RGINA
>But as I recall the argument RJ had with Natalie( supposedly about her heavy
drinking)
Unless you were there, the "supposed" argument RJ had with Natalie is (even
today) speculation, which has to be taken with as many grains of salt as Tom
and Nicole's marital reports.
> and it escalated from there, with Walken getting
>involved and he and RJ having a fight about it (with Christopher taking
>Natalie's side that she only "had a few glasses of wine").
I remember reading a newspaper source reporting Natalie's blood alcohol level
well over the intoxicated level. The few people who know the real story here
(and that includes the coroner at the time) have not revealed the real truth
and I doubt it will see any light while Robt. Wagner is alive.
alt showbiz gossip
Jinxblues
>here
>(and that includes the coroner at the time) have not revealed the real truth
>and I doubt it will see any light while Robt. Wagner is alive.
I thought coroner Noguchi (spelling?) was reprimanded for being much too public
with this autopsy and some other celebrity deaths from that time period.
RGINA
>> The few people who know the real story
>>here
>>(and that includes the coroner at the time) have not revealed the real truth
>>and I doubt it will see any light while Robt. Wagner is alive.
Jinxblues wrote:
>I thought coroner Noguchi (spelling?) was reprimanded for being much too
>public
>with this autopsy and some other celebrity deaths from that time period.
From what I can recall, I believe he initially did give out too much info,
including her blood alcohol level to the press. But soon afterward, his
official statement was made that sounded unconvincing and inconclusive-- which
is consistent with being muzzled.
alt showbiz gossip
mslinda
I thought so, too. Wasn't he pretty much railroaded into an early retirement?
Linda C.
Mary Higgins
hamilton
Higgins) wrote:
> >kid....I got the impression that RJ knows who this guy is
> Orson Wells?
Orson Wells an 'action hero' -- come on.
maryanne kehoe
>retirement?
That is what I thought so too Linda, but didn't Gil Garcetti (LA
District Atty.) try to bring Noguchi (sp also) back to investigate the
Ron and Nicole murders and there was such an outcry over it (due to the
fact the way he handled the Natalie Wood inquest, plus other celeb
deaths) that the idea was dropped.
Maybe the laws are different out in California (lol), but BAC levels,
especially in a celeb death are routinely released to the media in
Michigan and here in Georgia.
Miz Edwina
Mary wrote:
<< Orson Wells?>>
Thanks for the suggestion but the rapist is still living. Whoever he is must be
really influential in Hollywood for others to protect his identity for so long.
Edwina
Regina989
writes:
>The worst thing about being a child star is you *can't* fudge your age. ;-)
>
>Linda C.
>
It's probably harder now, but in the old days you certainly could fudge it...
Shirley Temple is on record as saying that she was promoted as being
one year younger than she really was, back in her heyday.
Reg
Annie RUtahkn2Me
He's a legendary action hero who's still alive.
And, just like Kirk Douglas, Heston was well known to be one of Hollywood's top
womanizing pigs.
He's another egomaniac who always considered himself to be God's gift to women.
Annie RU
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mslinda
>
> What about Charleton Heston?
>
> He's a legendary action hero who's still alive.
>
> And, just like Kirk Douglas, Heston was well known to be one of Hollywood's top
> womanizing pigs.
> He's another egomaniac who always considered himself to be God's gift to women.
>
we know if they even met back then?
Linda C.
BritaS5118
>He was my very first thought last week, but can we make a connection? Do
>we know if they even met back then?
>
>Linda C.
>
I think we can assume that there are certain people she wouldn't have
met--Connery, Eastwood--because they were just getting started then. The item
suggest an established star who had a good guy image and betrayed her trust.
It would be nice if she had done a movie with Heston or Douglas, but there are
all kinds of connections we might not know about--she auditions for a role in
their movie, doesn't get it but keeps in touch anyway. Or she meet Star X in
the studio commissary while having lunch. Or she's at the next lot over when
they're shooting films.
The other clue is that a wife or ex-wife blew the whistle on the guy. Other
than Connery, who does that fit?
Annie RUtahkn2Me
We still don't know whether Natalie even knew Douglas, let alone Heston.
Hell, I'm still shocked to find out Robert Wagner is/was bisexual!
I'd never heard that till it was posted here the other day.
Annie RUtahkn2Me
late 40s.
And, he's another egomaniacal, lecherous, legendary pig.
BritaS5118
>Tony Curtis is another actor who comes to mind. He started in Hollywood in
>the
>late 40s.
Legendary action hero or late life transvestite, you be the judge.
mslinda
Linda C.
mslinda
With at least a couple if ex-wives. Janet Leigh might keep quiet for the
sake of their children, but Christine (Mrs. C. #2) might need the money
enough to write a tell-all book.
Linda C.
Patty
: WOOD CAUGHT ROBERT WAGNER IN BED -- WITH A MAN!.
:
: Well, I have some questions to ask about Natalie & RJ. I hope someone can help
: answer them.
:
: 1. Alledgedly, according to a new book titled NATASHA: THE BIOGRAPHY OF NATALIE
: WOOD (author is Suzanne Finstad), Natalie caught Robert in bed (in 1962)
: w/another man. Does anyone know if this man was perhaps another actor? The
: happened back when she & RJ were married for the 1st time. It's one of the
: reasons the book says led them to divorce. Back then, RJ explained it to
: Natalie as he was experimenting sexually but that he knew in his heart he was
: heterosexual.
:
: 2. Also, at age 15, the article says Natalie was raped by someone who is
: described as a "legendary Hollywood action hero who betrayed her young trust".
: Supposedly, the trauma led her to embrace a lifetime of sexual promiscuity.
:
: Quoting the GLOBE article:
: "This book doesn't name the rapist, who is still living," notes the source. But
: this man's shameful past life as a serial sexual predator was later revealed by
: his own wife!"
: OK. Who is he? Just about everyone I can think of is dead now. TIA.
:
: Edwina
:
Brace yourself what a thought, how about Anthony Quinn?
Sidney Falco
with curtis 10 years later?
charles bronson wa in hollywood at the time, but not a star.
glenn ford is still alive, as is richard widmark but i think palance &
douglas are the best guesses.
btw, there are other rumors about chuck heston, & they don't involve
women...
"I don't mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy." -- Samuel Butler
Bob
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The real SMDJ
Agreed. That was my first thought...and it doesn't say that they worked
together.
maryanne kehoe
What about Ronald Reagan? That is if acting in cowboy movies can be
considered an "action hero".
Mary Campbell
> Patty wrote:
>> :
>> : 2. Also, at age 15, the article says Natalie was raped by someone who is
>> : described as a "legendary Hollywood action hero who betrayed her young trust".
>> : Supposedly, the trauma led her to embrace a lifetime of sexual promiscuity.
>> :
>> : Quoting the GLOBE article:
>> : "This book doesn't name the rapist, who is still living," notes the source. But
>> : this man's shameful past life as a serial sexual predator was later revealed by
>> : his own wife!"
>> :
>> : OK. Who is he? Just about everyone I can think of is dead now. TIA.
>> :
>
> Agreed. That was my first thought...and it doesn't say that they worked
> together.
Or Sterling Hayden? They worked together on a movie when Natalie was
about 15. Certainly an action hero, if not legendary. I don't know if
any of his wives talked about him, but his marriages were stormy.
The real SMDJ
The thing that makes me wonder about Anthony Quinn is that his wife
publicly discussed his serial adultery when they were finally
divorcing. It was very, very public.
Irv Eyne
hamilton wrote:
>Orson Wells an 'action hero' -- come on.
"Come at me like a veal chop", Orson used to say, brandishing a knife
and fork.
Oh yes, my friend, 'action hero' is an apt description of the late Mr.
Wells, just ask any waiter or sommelier from the now defunct Ma Maison
restaurant in Los Angeles - the tales they could tell would erase any
doubt. Once, when confronted by a teeming platter of oysters, Orson was
heard to vow, "I'll demolish the whole lot of 'em, and maybe another
dozen as well."
Food lived in fear of Orson's enormous appetite for destruction. He may
not have _served_ any wine before it's time, but that doesn't mean he
didn't plan for it's eventual demise. When he finally got his just
desserts, in the form of stereo cabinet residence, thousands of critters
breathed a collective moo of relief.
I don't, however, think he perpetrated a dastardly act upon the young
Miss Woods, unless of course it was a catered affair.
Irv
Sidney Falco
star.
anthony quinn is a good guess.
g_ba...@ether.com
<la...@bug.com> wrote:
> : 1. Alledgedly, according to a new book titled NATASHA: THE BIOGRAPHY
OF NATALIE
> : WOOD (author is Suzanne Finstad), Natalie caught Robert in bed (in 1962)
> : w/another man. Does anyone know if this man was perhaps another actor? The
> : GLOBE article does not say so. I'm just curious. This supposed incident
> : happened back when she & RJ were married for the 1st time. It's one of the
> : reasons the book says led them to divorce. Back then, RJ explained it to
> : Natalie as he was experimenting sexually but that he knew in his heart
he was
> : heterosexual.
FWIW, some old (in age) friends of mine told me that Wagner and Wood were
bisexuals, so this news doesn't surprise me. They claimed that the
Hollywood of their heyday knew all about the couple ...
The Avocado Avenger
>..then why would natalie wood go on to make a movie (the great race)
>with curtis 10 years later?
They were also romantically linked in the movie "Sex and the Single
Girl".
>glenn ford is still alive, as is richard widmark but i think palance &
>douglas are the best guesses.
Heston and Quinn are also good guesses, but I still say the hook is
finding out whose wife later told the world her hubby was a sexual
predator.
Ooh. Now that I think about it, wasn't it Anthony Quinn, whose wife a
few years ago, during the divorce, said he was a sexual predator?
Stacia * The Avocado Avenger * Life is a tale told by an idiot;
http://www.io.com/~stacia/ * Full of sound and fury,
There is no guacamole anywhere. * Signifying nothing.
The Avocado Avenger
>Or Sterling Hayden? They worked together on a movie when Natalie was
>about 15. Certainly an action hero, if not legendary. I don't know if
>any of his wives talked about him, but his marriages were stormy.
Sterling has been dead for some time, and he wasn't erally an action
star. But they did star together in "The Star", heh.
jefe88
I know I speak for everyone in alt.showbiz.gossip when I say that Irv
Eyne needs to post a lot more often.
Jefe
Annie RUtahkn2Me
Yes indeed, Irv, please post more often.
I think Orson Welles, himself, would have laughed at your droll comments. Very
funny, indeed!
MLYoung
>women...
>
Rumor away, s'il vous plait.
--margaret
Miz Edwina
<< Brace yourself what a thought, how about Anthony Quinn? >>
I like the suggestion because at the time of the rape Anthony was married to
Cecil B. DeMille's daughter. While people may not have liked him, many
respected Cecil. It may account for why there is a wall of silence even to
today. I also like the Kirk Douglas suggestion, too. It would especially
explain why so many people are still so secretive about the identity of the
rapist. Michael is a very influential person in Hollywood. Another odd thought
I had was Marlon Brando because it was rumored he was (is?) so twisted. But
then I thought again that he probably wasn't enough an action hero to count
much.
Edwina
Razzle Bathbone
Hey Irv, great post.
Razzle--------adding this one to my keeper feature.
icyfl...@nf.sympatico.ca
Wood promiscuous? I heard that she,one of the most beautiful women of all
time apparently fucked everybody but i don't know if it was true or not. If
Natalie was promiscuous maybe it had more to do with the fact that she was
half french and would therefore screw because she had the french love and/or
need of fucking.
Apparently if even schmucks like us were lucky enough to be around her we
could have been screwing one of the most sexually attractive women there ever
was. Why the hell didn't i go to Hollywood?
But really, was she that screwable that she used her pussy as a kind of
currency in this world?
Icy.
KAR
assistants to lunch at Ma Maison. We were called "secretaries" then, which was
fine by me. (It is a sorely missed tradition, killed off about 12 years or more
ago -- the major players at the agency used to throw magnanimous, limo-driven,
gift-laden affairs, plying assistants with liquor and hoping, no doubt for major
bean-spillage as a result; those days are long gone in the new alleged era of
austerity.). This was in 82 or 3, I forget, but Welles was there at his table
(upstairs?) huge, voracious and alone.
There's a CD, Celebrities At Their Worst in which an angry sound engineer gets his
payback for a recording session with Welles at which Welle's tragic abuse of the
technicians is preserved. (I'm Orson Welles, goddamit, you morons, you idiots,
etc.).
I would have hated to be an oyster on a plate laid in front of him.
I'm not sure this well-told story of the Welles action figure is complete fiction.
Jim Murtha
thinks hard and suggests
>Clinton
Good guess, Teebu! Clinton would have been about 7 then. Precocious
little devil wasn't he?
Keep slinging that mud, damned if some of it won't stick,
jm
Teebu Philip
come on ... it was just a joke ... that's why i added the smiley.
this is alt.showbiz.gossip ... this isnt a place for a serious discussion
of the issues.
Mametsuki
>I like the suggestion because at the time of the rape Anthony was married to
>Cecil B. DeMille's daughter. While people may not have liked him, many
>respected Cecil. It may account for why there is a wall of silence even to
>today. I also like the Kirk Douglas suggestion, too. It would especially
>explain why so many people are still so secretive about the identity of the
>rapist. Michael is a very influential person in Hollywood. Another odd
>thought
>I had was Marlon Brando because it was rumored he was (is?) so twisted. But
>then I thought again that he probably wasn't enough an action hero to count
>much.
I think your logic is right on the money. I cannot think of any other stars. I
would have added Errol Flynn, who had a penchant for both sexes AND very young
girls. But I do not believe they ever made a film together.
Mametsuki
Patty
"Mametsuki" <mame...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010426142037...@ng-mi1.aol.com...
: Mametsuki
The person has to be living. I think it was Anthony Quinn because of what came out
during his divorce from his second wife a few years ago - I believe that he was a
womanizer and physically abused his wife. His 2nd wife was 20 years younger,
although not 15 when he met her, but he did have a penchant for young things.
Not long ago it was reported he fell in love with a 12 year old in Brazil and wanted
to bring her to the USA.
It's reported that one of Natalie's partners was Raymond Burr. How did that happen
since he was gay? How many years was he with his partner before his death?
Patty
Miz Edwina
<< ..then why would natalie wood go on to make a movie (the great race)
with curtis 10 years later?
charles bronson wa in hollywood at the time, but not a star.
glenn ford is still alive, as is richard widmark but i think palance &
douglas are the best guesses.
btw, there are other rumors about chuck heston, & they don't involve
women... >>
FWIW, my sister mentioned Glenn Ford as a guess to me, too. She also thought
of Cliff Robertson.
Edwina
The real SMDJ
Patty wrote:
>
> It's reported that one of Natalie's partners was Raymond Burr. How did that happen
> since he was gay? How many years was he with his partner before his death?
>
Geee, I've never heard of any gay guys sleeping with women before they
made a final decision....or perhaps just as a temporary diversion.
Miz Edwina
<<snip>>
<< It's reported that one of Natalie's partners was Raymond Burr. How did that
happen
since he was gay? How many years was he with his partner before his death? >>
I've never heard this piece of gossip about Natalie & Raymond. Are you sure it
wasn't just something dreamed up by someone to make Raymond appear as if he was
interested in women? I believe Raymond & his partner were together for many
decades. Maybe 3 decades?
Edwina
The Avocado Avenger
>austerity.). This was in 82 or 3, I forget, but Welles was there at his table
>(upstairs?) huge, voracious and alone.
Welles didn't hide the fact that he was a consumer, of course. He
consumed everything and everyone he could. He also was very willing to
make a joke at his own expense, and even wrote character dialogue which
was used by players in his films to put his own (very large) character
down.
But I can't imagine him being alone unless he wanted to be. But then
again, I would bet that he *wanted* to be, at that moment.
Pat Fish1
>> Oh yes, my friend, 'action hero' is an apt description of the late Mr.
>> Wells, just ask any waiter or sommelier from the now defunct Ma Maison
>> restaurant in Los Angeles - the tales they could tell would erase any
>> doubt. Once, when confronted by a teeming platter of oysters, Orson was
>> heard to vow, "I'll demolish the whole lot of 'em, and maybe another
>> dozen as well."
>>
>> Food lived in fear of Orson's enormous appetite for destruction. He may
>> not have _served_ any wine before it's time, but that doesn't mean he
>> didn't plan for it's eventual demise. When he finally got his just
>> desserts, in the form of stereo cabinet residence, thousands of critters
>> breathed a collective moo of relief.
>>
>> I don't, however, think he perpetrated a dastardly act upon the young
>> Miss Woods, unless of course it was a catered affair.
>>
>> Irv
>
>I know I speak for everyone in alt.showbiz.gossip when I say that Irv
>Eyne needs to post a lot more often.
>
>Jefe
>
>
That was my first thought upon reading the post.
Pat Fish/Merryland
jefe88
> It's reported that one of Natalie's partners was Raymond Burr. How did that happen
> since he was gay? How many years was he with his partner before his death?
Gay, schmay. Simply put, Raymond lay underneath the glass coffee table;
Natalie naughtily crouched at the ready up above.
Jefe
jefe88
>
>
> come on ... it was just a joke ... that's why i added the smiley.
> this is alt.showbiz.gossip ... this isnt a place for a serious discussion
> of the issues.
Whaddya say we turn out all the lights and we'll all play Add The
Smiley.
Jefe, all frisky or something
RGINA
>> It's reported that one of Natalie's partners was Raymond Burr. How did
>that happen
>> since he was gay?
I doubt he was her "partner." In his early years as an actor, Burr did the
typical closeted things: dated the *arranged* starlets, even gave interviews
about having an ex-wife or two. In the case of Burr and Natalie, they may have
been friends--but nothing more. In the 50's it was common to see an
up-and-coming actor (often gay) out with a new starlet, hoping Hedda or Louella
would put them in their respective columns. Even James Dean, who reportedly
hated the PR games and mostly preferred men, did the starlet route with such
women as Terry Moore, Ursula Andress and there were even "whispers" about the
young Natalie. It's all about getting noticed--as we can see in today's
hollywood as well.
alt showbiz gossip
Elayne Riggs
> I know I speak for everyone in alt.showbiz.gossip when I say that Irv
> Eyne needs to post a lot more often.
'Cause he essentially did a fat joke disguised as erudite satire? At
least Jay Leno's writers are more honest when they make unfunny and
erroneous associations between weight and gluttony.
- Elayne
The Avocado Avenger
>Elayne, Orson was the poster boy for that deadly sin.
Yet, it didn't kill him. Slightly on a tangent, but I've noticed lots
of very large actors tend to live as long as thinner actors, yet large
comedians/comic actors tend to die younger. I'm comparing Belushi and
Candy and Farley to Hitchcock, Welles, and Burr.
Someone who knows more about this could probably prove me wrong. I'm
just musing.
>He opined that
>fact himself many a time. He was famous for being camped out at his
>own table, by himself, in a favourite restaurant, indulging himself
>much as described. Yes, he was obese. It was because he loved to eat
>and had no particular desire to excercise moderation.
One co-star of "Chimes at Midnight" once said that Welles watched *what*
he ate, by only eating boiled chicken instead of the rich catered foods
they had one evening, but then he'd eat 3 boiled chickens. And Welles
often complained that people who think he was depressed or mentally
unstable because he was fat, and he'd say no, he was fat because he ate a
lot. He was more level-headed about his size than most others.
mslinda
>
> Imogen <Imo...@nowhere.com> writes:
>
> >Elayne, Orson was the poster boy for that deadly sin.
>
> Yet, it didn't kill him. Slightly on a tangent, but I've noticed lots
> of very large actors tend to live as long as thinner actors, yet large
> comedians/comic actors tend to die younger. I'm comparing Belushi and
> Candy and Farley to Hitchcock, Welles, and Burr.
> Someone who knows more about this could probably prove me wrong. I'm
> just musing.
Belushi, Candy and Farley all used drugs.
Linda C.
Buddy Romaine
>It's reported that one of Natalie's partners was Raymond Burr. How did that happen
>since he was gay? How many years was he with his partner before his death?
>
>Patty
Raymond Burr was gay? I thought he was the one into that
caucafresia...or whatever that sex is where you like to do stuff with
poop...who am i thinking of?
andrew.
Mametsuki
>caucafresia...or whatever that sex is where you like to do stuff with
>poop...who am i thinking of?
>
>andrew.
I heard from the vine that it was the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.
Mametsuki
MLYoung
>
>Linda C.
Knew about Belushi and Farley--tell
me about Candy's candy.
--margaret
Irv Eyne
Some cow claiming to be Elayne Riggs from fire...@panix.com, wrote:
>'Cause he did a fat joke disguised as erudite
>satire? At least Jay Leno's writers are more
>honest when they make unfunny and erroneous
>associations between weight and gluttony.
Whatsamatta for you, got a problem with 'fat jokes', Porky? Does a
little too much adipose tissue contribute to a general feeling of
discomfort, perhaps between your ears, is that what's buggin' ya,
Ms.Bovine? Here's a remedy, take a fork and lube it with habenero sauce,
then fuck yourself with it until you shout the names of all the saints -
do it daily until you die.
www.dimensionsmagazine.com/news/we11jjd4.htm
Irv
P.S. - Thank you for the criticism, I'll try to be more honest in the
future when making unfunny and erroneous associations between weight and
gluttony.