Poundstone denied kids due to a technicality.
Destroycps!
(Sophia) wrote:
> > This had gone on too far, she should have her kids back.
<Howdo...@nite.com> wrote
You mean "THE" kids?
Destroycps!
Correct. I don't know the exact history of how those kids came into
Poundstone's possession, but she is not the mother of any of them. And the
mothers probably don't even know where their kids are, considering the
secrecy of adoption and foster custody.
The mothers and fathers of those kids may have lost their kids for no reason
at all. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the foster custody system,
you shouldn't assume some legitimate cause, and you shouldn't assume those
kids have or had nowhere else to go.
Poundstone appears to be the underdog is this situation and so she receives
sympathy. But if the court is to grant her, a foster contractor, latitude,
then the court should grant the same latitude to parents, who are the true
underdogs. Poundstone is a drunk. A parent with a CPS (Child Protective
Services) case would not get away with that - rehab or no rehab.
Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroy dfs!!!!!!!!!!
Howdo...@nite.com
Damn, thought you fell off end of the Earth. Where have you been? Good to
see your post. Good thoughts. free.
> Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroy dfs!!!!!!!!!!
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"..and that you may never experience the
humility that the power of the American Government
has reduced me to, is the wish of him, who, in his
native forests, was once as proud and bold as yourself."
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The Original Gumby Damnit!
adoption makes her no less a mother than if she adopted them. She made a
mistake driving under the influence...lots of other parents have done the
same thing and haven't met with the kind of punishment Poundstone or her
children have been given.
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ANIM8Rfsk
<< other parents have done the
same thing and haven't met with the kind of punishment Poundstone or her
children have been given. >>
Myabe they should have. Neither the kids nor society are enriched by
Poundstone gettng them, except for the 'anti children/pro criminal' element.
Al Fresco
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I sit in judgment.
Destroycps!
Destroycps!
> > I don't know the exact history of how those kids came into
> > Poundstone's possession, but she is not the mother of any of them. And
the
> > mothers probably don't even know where their kids are,
> > considering the secrecy of adoption and foster custody.
The Original Gumby Damnit!
> These are NOT foster kids....these are her legally adopted kids....the
> adoption makes her no less a mother than if she adopted them.
Destroycps!
(You might want to rephrase that, but I understand your meaning anyway.)
According to reports I've read, Poundstone at the time of the incidents had
two foster kids and three adopted kids. But I don't see what the big
distinction is. Foster contractors get their foster kids relabeled to
adopted kids so that the contractors, or now adopters, can get more money.
Adopters want the $10K adoption tax credit for one thing, and it's no secret
that the money is an incentive. Adopters and foster contractors also get
paid per kid every month, for those of you who didn't know.
These adoptions are not generally done with the consent of the parents or
the kids (even if they are old enough to have an opinion), and most parents
didn't want the state to take their kids. As I've before, it's a
pro-adoption myth that these kids are stranded with no place to go.
The modern legal stamp of legitimacy that the courts give to adoption is no
more valid than the previous stamp of legitimacy the courts gave to slave
ownership.
The Original Gumby Damnit!
> She made a mistake driving under the influence...
> lots of other parents have done the
> same thing and haven't met with the kind of punishment Poundstone or her
> children have been given.
Destroycps!
Many, many parents have done far less than that and have had their kids
taken by the state. You lack of acquaintance with the subject is
understandable, though. So-called confidentiality laws prevent the public
form seeing a true picture of how the state operates when it takes kids.
You are ignoring how Poundstone got the kids in the first place. Before
those kids were "taken" form Poundstone, they were taken form their parents.
You are defending a fake parent and ignoring the real parents.
Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroy dfs!!!!!!!!!!
nikki P
> Technically, she wanted to have sex with them.
accusation to convict someone of child molestation this would be one
very scary world.
FACTS: (if you even care)
Original charges : 3 counts of lewd act aginst One child under the age
14 (twelve year old foster child). 4 counts of child endangerment
against the other 4 children (one foster three adopted)
ACTUAL SENTENCE:
LEWD ACT CHARGES DROPPED by District Attorney.
Poundstone pleaded No contest to felony child endagerment (drunk
driving with the kids in the car ) and One Misdemeneor of personal
injury to a child (Mind you- a misdemenor could be anything emotional
or physical and is highly subjective)
from Dateline News:
Paula Poundstone speaks out
For the first time, the comic talks about the terrible accusations
against her and her battle to restore her good name
NBC News
Jan. 22 — Her fans would call her a gifted comedian. Her friends say
she's that and more — a kind and loving mother. So the last thing
anyone ever thought was that one day Paula Poundstone would also be
called a child molester. For the first time, the comedian talks about
the accusation and her fight to clear her name. Maria Shriver reports.
"IT'S AMAZING THAT I get up and walk around," says Paula Poundstone.
"It's amazing that I go out in public knowing that part of the
population, you know, probably never got the word that I'm not a child
molester. You know, I feel awful. If there was a way I could, you
know, I would rewind, I would."
Much as Paula Poundstone would like to roll life back a year, she
knows her only option is to go forward. The 42-year-old comedienne
fought her way up the ladder of a tough business then saw her career
and reputation crash down with charges that she abused her children.
She knows the road ahead will be rough.
She's got a lot to handle in this next year. "Yes," she says. "Yeah, I
do. I'm thinking a lot about what's before us, because we're in a
precarious position right now."
STUNNING CHARGES
‘It's amazing that I get up and walk around. It's amazing that I go
out in public knowing that part of the population... probably never
got the word that I'm not a child molester. You know, I feel awful. If
there was a way I could... I would rewind, I would.'
<sum> PAULA POUNDSTONE
Last June, Poundstone's image took a serious hit when she was charged
with child endangerment for drunk driving and with child sexual abuse.
She was stunned when authorities took her three adopted and two foster
children away.
"I think, you know, Jesus, there's kids in the orphanages in, you
know, the Balkans that the state of California believes are better off
there than with me," says Poundstone. "It's not a very good feeling."
Nor is the sensation of being under constant and intense scrutiny —
and not the friendly variety she's been used to in the past.
For more than 20 years, Poundstone has been one of the few women in
comic stand-up to stand out, enough to get her own HBO specials. She
was the one with the tie and the one who toyed with an audience. She
was smart, neurotic, quirky, and above all else — original.
She was a workhorse, a regular for years on the strip mall comedy club
circuit from Boston to Boise and beyond. She ground it out trying to
get to the top of the comedy world.
"And I got to the middle successfully, and you know, which is plenty,"
she says. "I was the right age for going around the country doing open
mike nights, and, you know, opening for a headliner for a week at, you
know, very little money, and staying you know, on couches and on
Greyhound buses. And I was foldable and tote-able."
And Jay Leno thought she was funny. He sent her to cover the 1992
national political conventions. It was her big break.
She was the first woman to win a cable ACE Award for her HBO special.
She had a TV show briefly, headlined major theaters, and by the
mid-1990s was earning more than a million dollars a year and getting
the big gigs like the Emmys and presidential galas.
Her laidback act paid off, bigger venues, glitzier crowds — not bad
for a small-town Massachusetts girl who says she always felt
different.
AN OUT-OF-STEP CHILDHOOD
‘I think that I was probably alone more than I think I should have
been.'
<sum> PAULA POUNDSTONE
"I think that I was probably alone more than I think I should have
been," says Poundstone.
Did she feel out of step with other kids? "Yes," she says. "Although I
had no idea how much in step that made me."
She says she still suffers from the depression and obsessive
compulsive behavior that made her a challenge to her middle-class,
middle-aged parents. As a teenager, she spent a year at a half-way
house and several years after that, severed her ties to most of her
family.
"I would rather spend time with people who bring out the best in me,"
she says.
And since she felt her family didn't, Poundstone went in search of
something that would. Eight years ago she found it in the foster care
system.
"I don't really know how I became a foster parent, but some of the
thought processes that I recall and am aware of is, is really wanting
to do something of value," she says. "Something that sort of added to
the world."
A single mother, she took in one baby, then another and another —
eight of them over the years. She fell in love with each of them and
ended up adopting three, each of a different race, each with a
different challenge, including one with cerebral palsy.
She bought a house with lots of space for kids and cut down on her
traveling for steadier gigs that kept her in town with her children.
HER FRIENDS DEFEND HER
Before long she was doing a lot of kids TV and became the poster mom
for foster parenting and other children's issues. Her friends say the
commitment is no act.
"I think she's a great mother," says Andrea Brandt. "She's very
dedicated. She is very loving."
Kathy Najimy says, "We call her Saint Paula Poundstone because of all
the work she did and does with foster children. It's just
unimaginable."
‘She drove four children while she was intoxicated. That wasn't right.
She admitted it from the beginning.'
<sum> STEVEN CRON
Poundstone's attorney It's a long fall from sainthood to
sinner, but that's what it looked like when news broke last June that
Poundstone had been arrested for endangering four of her children
while driving drunk, and for committing lewd and lascivious acts on a
child — a girl.
"…with the intent of arousing, appealing to and gratifying the lust,
passions and sexual desires of the said defendant and the said child."
"Yes," says Gina Satriano, the Los Angeles Deputy District Attorney
handling the case.
That's pretty tough language in there.
"When we file a case, we evaluate the evidence based on the ability to
look at the evidence and determine that we believe beyond a reasonable
doubt the charges can be proved to a jury," says Satriano.
Those were the charges that made the headlines initially. No one is
saying who made them because the case is sealed to protect the
children and there's a gag order in effect, but it's believed they
involve a 12-year-old girl, a foster child, who had lived with
Poundstone for just under a year.
"She drove four children while she was intoxicated," says Steven Cron,
Poundstone's attorney. "That wasn't right. She admitted it from the
beginning."
That's the only thing she admitted to? "Yes," says Cron. "She has,
from the beginning, denied lewd conduct charges. We said all along
that she wasn't guilty of that."
A CAREER IN JEOPARDY
As soon as the allegations were made, the state removed Poundstone's
three adopted children and the two other children she was fostering at
the time. She put her career on hold immediately and checked herself
into an alcohol treatment center.
‘Those first two weeks of rehab, I have almost no memory of. And I
think just the pressure... and just the trauma was so great, that I
can't even imagine what I said or did, you know?'
<sum> PAULA POUNDSTONE
"Those first two weeks of rehab, I have almost no memory of," says
Poundstone. "And I think just the pressure... and just the trauma was
so great, that I can't even imagine what I said or did, you know?"
The defense tried to show that whatever had transpired between the
12-year-old and Paula Poundstone, it was never intended to be a sexual
act. That was critical, because in California, intent must be proven
in order to prosecute anyone for sexual abuse.
"I can tell you that the district attorney's office conducted a
thorough and complete investigation, and they made the decision to
dismiss those three charges and replace them with one misdemeanor
count of injury to a child," says Cron.
Poundstone says to spare her children and herself further trauma and
the publicity of a trial, she pleaded no contest to one felony count
of child endangerment for driving the kids when she was drunk. And in
exchange for the D.A. dropping the three felony counts of lewd
conduct, she pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor for inflicting injury
on a 12-year-old child. Again, no one's giving details about that
injury, except to say "inappropriate," though not sexual, physical
contact did occur.
MOLESTATION CHARGES DROPPED
"After the re-evaluation of the facts, we believe the appropriate
charge was the physical infliction of pain and mental suffering,
rather than the sexual abuse acts," says Satriano.
So no sexual acts occurred? "She did not plead guilty to a sexual
crime," says Satriano.
Paula Poundstone says, "I am not a child molester. I wasn't convicted
of child molesting. They didn't convict me of child molesting because
they couldn't, because it's not true. If it were, they would have gone
for it. I don't think I've gotten any special favors or, you know,
somebody sort of gone easy on me. Having said that, I don't want to
seem like I'm just a victim, because I'm not. I mean, I set up a very
volatile situation just between the characters involved and the fact
that I was drinking. And you know, in retrospect, I realize that
things, you know, were unsafe."
She can't talk about what actually did happen. But can she say what
she didn't do?
"Well, I didn't do anything sexual, and I didn't hit anybody," says
Poundstone. "You know what happened is so colossally stupid that it's
you know, probably more embarrassing than anything else. But I don't
want to say anything that's going to get the judge mad. You know, I'm
on probation for five years."
‘After the re-evaluation of the facts, we believe the appropriate
charge was the physical infliction of pain and mental suffering,
rather than the sexual abuse acts.'
<sum> GINA SATRIANO
Los Angeles Deputy District Attorney She's already tested the
judge once. In November, he disciplined Poundstone for using
unsanctioned anti-anxiety medication, and ordered her to spend two
hours in jail.
Poundstone is very aware of the power the judge holds over her and her
children. For the next five years, she will be tested regularly to
make sure that she isn't drinking. She has to attend three Alcoholics
Anonymous meetings a week for the next year, see therapists and
complete a mandatory child abuse program. And for her, the most
painful punishment is she may never again foster or adopt another
child.
Her own three adopted children get to spend days with her, as they did
on this one, her first out of rehab, but a monitor must always be
present. The children are now under the jurisdiction of the court.
For the next year they will spend the night at the house of a friend
of Poundstone's, who got herself licensed as a foster parent.
A RUNAWAY WINE HABIT
The worst part, says Poundstone, is she knows she brought this upon
herself and her children with what she describes as a runaway white
wine habit.
"They understood that I had a drinking problem before I was arrested,
before they were taken away," she says. "Because the nanny told me
that they were looking up the word drunk in the dictionary one day.
And so when I heard that, I right away called a therapist that had
been working with my kids and asked her to come over. And I wanted
them to know that, yes, I was having a problem and that I was going to
take care of the problem and that was mommy's problem not theirs."
‘I wanted them to know that, yes, I was having a problem and that I
was going to take care of the problem and that was mommy's problem not
theirs.'
<sum> PAULA POUNDSTONE
Did she talk to her kids about what today means, about coming home,
about starting over? "My kids are so confused right now," says
Poundstone. "I have told them that I've made mistakes that have led to
this. They do know that. And I've apologized."
Poundstone has worked hard this past month trying to soothe her
children. Now she has to address the rest of her problems — mounting
bills and her stalled career.
"I don't know how to do anything else," she says.
Is she really scared then if she can't make a living at being a comic?
"Terrified," she says. "Terrified.
Afraid, perhaps, but also determined. In December, just days after
being released from rehab, she stood back up on stage.
"What I thought was that there were difficult subjects, there was a
big elephant in the room," she says. "I've told people from stage, the
most personal things. My act has always been a reflection of what I'm
doing. And it wouldn't make any sense to, you know, kind of push this
under the rug, and you know, do jokes about the weather."
This first audience gave Poundstone a chance and she hopes others
will, too. Poundstone is grateful to be back on stage. Now she's
hopeful that with hard work ahead, she can get the rest of her life
back, as well.
Poundstone is aware that her inability to discuss explicitly what
transpired might make some feel she is less than open. However, she is
counting on the fact that by admitting to an alcohol problem and
impaired judgement and by signalling her willingness to rehabilitate
herself, that people will be forgiving and let her move on.
nikki P
> You are ignoring how Poundstone got the kids in the first place. Before
> Those kids were "taken" form Pondstone, they were taken form their parents.
> You are defending a fake parent and ignoring the real parents.
>
> Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroy dfs!!!!!!!!!!
Ok OK I understand your rant against the foster. Adoption system. But
Are your really assuming that all foster children out there were
"stolen" from parents who cared for and respected these children?
Surely you must admit there are children out there in Dire straits who
have No representation.
In the case of Poundstone --Before she was arrested she had a
successful career. When she first became a foster parent in the early
90s she was at the Height of her career. She covered political
conventions, for the tonight show and wrote a column for Mother Jones
magazine. She spoke at Whitehouse Galas under both Clinton and Bush
(Sr). She did gigs for major cooperate conventions filling houses with
more than 1,000 seats. She had two cable Ace awards, regular TV
appearances and was a well-respected comedian. SHE DID NOT NEED THE
MONEY.
Second of all the children she "Took"? All different races; One with
Cerebral Palsy and One born addicted to crack, (as a baby these
children scream full time non -stop) another with diabetes. These
children she took in and cared for were the worst possible cases with
some of the most difficult physical and emotional problems as a result
of their unhealthy Birth parents.
To make money??? As if money was a way to prove somebody's intentions.
If you assume that you can reduce humanitarian efforts to a cheap
monetary argument that is shallow and stupid. But consider this:
Poundstone paid for therapists to help her children deal with their
emotional and physical disabilities. She paid for full time assistance
and cut down on her own career to be there for them as much as
possible. And she waded through the adoption process just like every
one else, waiting years and ONLY adopting them when it was the last
option. Poundstone has invested a whole lot more in their lives and
well being than those parents that lost them due to irreversible,
seriously debilitating causes. Now she is investing even more,
fighting for them in court and going through the even more expensive
process to get them back. If money were the issue she could have given
up a long time ago.
She has raised each one since they were babies. She has made it
possible for them to live healthy lives, go to school, make friends
and have a future, Paula Poundstone IS NO FAKE PARENT. She has
invested too much and is fighting too hard to be dismissed like that
by someone who KNOWS NOTHING about her background or these Children's
needs.
Destroycps!
nikki P
> Are your really assuming that all foster children out there were
> "stolen" from parents who cared for and respected these children?
Destroycps!
No, not all. Some foster kids are orphans.
But yes, there are a great number of foster kids who were unjustly taken
from their families.
nikki P
> Surely you must admit there are children out there in Dire straits who
> have No representation.
Destroycps!
Many of these kids who (as you say) are in dire straits are in foster
custody currently. They have no one to turn to when a foster contractor
takes advantage of them or harms them. The foster contractors are part of
CPS and CPS is the agency in charge or "investigating" child abuse. CPS
generally looks the other way - unless the situation reaches an extreme.
nikki P
> In the case of Poundstone --Before she was arrested she had a
> successful career. When she first became a foster parent in the early
> 90s she was at the Height of her career. She covered political
> conventions, for the tonight show and wrote a column for Mother Jones
> magazine. She spoke at Whitehouse Galas under both Clinton and Bush
> (Sr). She did gigs for major cooperate conventions filling houses with
> more than 1,000 seats.
Destroycps!
I realize there's a shortage of good comics working out there, but a
thousand for Poundstone alone? They must have been giving away free tickets
to the Gay Parade.
nikki P
> She had two cable Ace awards, regular TV
> appearances and was a well-respected comedian. SHE DID NOT NEED THE
> MONEY.
Destroycps!
If she were so busy with her wonderfully successful career, how did she have
time to care for this gang of sick foster kids?
nikki P
> Second of all the children she "Took"? All different races; One with
> Cerebral Palsy and One born addicted to crack, (as a baby these
> children scream full time non -stop)
Destroycps!
You read this in the New England Medical Journal?
nikki P
> another with diabetes. These
> children she took in and cared for were the worst possible cases with
> some of the most difficult physical and emotional problems as a result
> of their unhealthy Birth parents.
Destroycps!
Foster contractors get more money for "special needs" kids, and the
contractors are eligible for extra programs. Many times a "special needs"
kid is really not abnormal at all. It's a big scam.
nikki P
> To make money??? As if money was a way to prove somebody's intentions.
Destroycps!
It's meaningless? How many foster contractors would be in it if there were
no money?
nikki P
> If you assume that you can reduce humanitarian efforts to a cheap
> monetary argument that is shallow and stupid. But consider this:
> Poundstone paid for therapists to help her children deal with their
> emotional and physical disabilities.
Destroycps!
All foster kids in California (and other states) are more than eligible for
truckloads of "therapy". (That, in a large part, is what fuels the foster
custody machine, by the way.) Why would Poundstone herself pay for therapy?
All foster kids are also on Medicaid, and that program funds the care
associated with physical disabilities.
nikki P
> She paid for full time assistance
> and cut down on her own career to be there for them as much as
> possible. And she waded through the adoption process just like every
> one else, waiting years and ONLY adopting them when it was the last
> option.
Destroycps!
Since you seem to have some details on these adoptions, who sponsored them?
Who paid for the adoption attorney, for example? In all foster-to-adopt
cases that I know about, the state CPS agency pays for the adoption
attorney? I think you're thinking of a different kind of adoption when you
say she "waded". CPS takes care of the legal details in these adoptions.
nikki P
> Paula Poundstone IS NO FAKE PARENT. She has
> invested too much and is fighting too hard to be dismissed like that
> by someone who KNOWS NOTHING about her background or these Children's
> needs.
Destroycps!
And you know something about these children? It's very difficult to find out
much even if you are the parent. The foster custody machine operates away
from the public view.
It's very common for foster contractors to cast themselves with a halo above
their heads. They try to get sympathy and respect. But these are the very
worst people. They live by exploiting kids.
Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroy dfs!!!!!!!!!!
Howdo...@nite.com
SEX?
--
LMF
perceptions. I've been surprised by the amount of venom on
this NG toward Paula Poundstone. Is it knee jerk
pedophile-phobia, homophobia or Celebrity-o-phobia?
Is there a word for fear or hatred of celebrities? Celibigot?
Famephobe? Papparazzi?
Lesbian celebrities? DykeStar-shy?
ANIM8Rfsk
this NG toward Paula Poundstone. Is it knee jerk
pedophile-phobia, homophobia or Celebrity-o-phobia? >>
It's 'pro child, anti criminal'
Greg Hanson
> But Are your really assuming that all foster
> children out there were "stolen" from parents
> who cared for and respected these children?
Read the government stats. Huge numbers of kids
are removed without any constitutionally acceptable
reasons. They use suspicion, attitude and innuendo
all the time. The Juvenile Court that is supposed
to hold them in check pretty much BELONGS to the CPS
agency, effectively becoming their rubber stamp.
> Surely you must admit there are children out there
> in Dire straits who have No representation.
Why would they have no representation?
What state doesn't give them a GAL or a CASA
automatically?
> All different races;
Good for liberal brownie points.
> One with Cerebral Palsy
Are you sure that wasn't the reason the child was REMOVED from
parents?
> and One born addicted to crack, (as a baby these
> children scream full time non -stop)
But government report says babies are better off staying with a mother
even if she's a crack head than being in foster care. That's how bad
foster system is.
> another with diabetes.
Was that the reason for the removal?
> These children she took in and cared for were the worst possible cases with
> some of the most difficult physical and emotional problems as a result
> of their unhealthy Birth parents.
And it's the parents fault the child has CP or Diabetes??
There used to be a notion among rich people about "saving" poor kids
by adopting them and making them servants. People in England still
have a sort of Eleanor Roosevelt complex where they like to adopt kids
from impoverished countries, rather than improve quality of life IN
those countries.
You probably believe in absolute altruism.
You never do "good deeds" for the feeling you get eh?
Did you ever wonder if you're not really doing those
things for the "high" you get from it?
While I imagine you'd get all worked up about the labor
arrangements behind your South American alpaca sweater,
you choose to ignore the sinister side, the truth behind
where kids come from that are put up for adoption.
Al Fresco
>>Original charges : 3 counts of lewd act aginst One child under the age
>>14 (twelve year old foster child). 4 counts of child endangerment
>>against the other 4 children (one foster three adopted)
>>ACTUAL SENTENCE:
>>LEWD ACT CHARGES DROPPED by District Attorney.
>>Poundstone pleaded No contest to felony child endagerment (drunk
>>driving with the kids in the car ) and One Misdemeneor of personal
>>injury to a child
Here's a fact for YOU! Dropping to lesser charges is SOP where a plea is
involved, and it has nothing to do with guilt or innocence.
E Varden
>
> Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!!
>
Hey fathead: You had somthing interesting to say in this post, but
your repetitive loony "destroy crops" is SO obnoxious I've killfiled
you.
Get samrt, toots. Either comment on the issue or go fuck yourself.
Clear?
Pe
nikki P
> While I imagine you'd get all worked up about the labor
> arrangements behind your South American alpaca sweater,
> you choose to ignore the sinister side, the truth behind
> where kids come from that are put up for adoption.
I understand the point that foster care is a very flawed system and I
acknowledge that there are some people with sinisiter motives. But my
point was only that Poundstone did not "take" these kids for Profit or
Glamour.. as implied by "destroycps" she did so to take these kids
out of that flawed system and give them a home. And yes I do believe
she did so out of Altruism.
Hell Toupee
she took on fostering kids as a form of self-therapy. Call me naive,
but I'd hope a healthy adult wouldn't use kids to deal with her own
personal issues.
Then there's the fact that she _knew_ she had a drinking problem, yet
still felt it was appropriate for her to become a foster/adoptive mom.
She claims it wasn't until the nannies told her her kids were looking
up the word 'drunk' in the dictionary that she realized this was a
problem. How self-centered is that?
HellT
Greg Hanson
the alpaca sweater, but that doesn't change the
enlarged responsibility to check out the
background of the labor practices...
..Just as Foster Parents need to investigate
the truth behind the removal of the child
from the parents. This will NOT come from
the caseworkers. Caseworkers have been
caught telling LIES about why the child was
removed to the Foster Parents.
When you buy the alpaca sweater, did you
think the SALESPERSON was going to tell you the
truth about the labor practices involved?
If Foster Care were truly altruistic, then CPS
wouldn't need the thousands per kid, per month
they get reimbursed from the Federal Government.
States wouldn't be trying to illegally grab the
child's Social Security money.
States would NOT get the 5K adoption bonus.
And Foster Care would stop being seen as a channel
for adopting kids by most Foster caregivers.
What altruism are you imagining that does not
have motivations? Foster/adoption is a poor
place to look for people without motivation.
nikki P
The comment that she "knew" she had a drinking problem was made in the
context of anybody who looks back in 20/20 hindsight about their
drinking problem and tries to answer the question… When did it start?
Poundstone herself has also said she was "thankfully stopped in my
tracks rather quickly" .
You're right it would be self centered for her to BECOME a foster
parent if she had a drinking problem but she started to care for kids
9 years ago as according to all reports this problem had gone out of
control only shortly before she was arrested.
Of course that may not say much. Everyone with a drinking problem
will deny it to some extent and put off getting help.
But consider this: If Poundstone had been a slobbering drunk all her
life some gossip rag would have drug up HEAPS of juicy anecdotes from
people in the business to support some horrid caricature the day she
was arrested. But there's not much out there. No rumors, no horrid
tales of indiscretion running the gossip columns. NO –"man she was so
drunk and such a jerk" comments from years ago. In fact, to the
contrary, there have been many quotes from people in the entertainment
business as well as her neighborhood community supporting Poundstone.
The comments that have been made by her peers, coworkers, friends, PTA
parents and teachers from her kid's school and neighbors were nothing
but positive feedback on her abilities as a parent. These people
waited outside the courtroom for her with signs and t-shirts to show
they believed in her.
Take it as you will but I would believe those who were around her on a
daily basis would know her character best. If she had had a problem
for that many years there is no way she could have continued fostering
as long as she did, SOMETHING would have shown up YEARS ago.
Alcohol abuse is something that can sneak up on a lot of people, It's
a legal socially condoned drug that is available at every party, bar,
dinner date etc. and for a lot of people for whatever reason it
doesn't become a problem till later in life. That doesn't condone
Poundstone driving drunk --nothing and noone will argue that-- but to
imply that her motives are sinister and her whole life has been some
kind of drunken sham is just not fair.
Dan Sullivan
"Greg Hanson" <Gre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:35120b16.02110...@posting.google.com...
>
> And I'm sure you meant no harm when you bought
> the alpaca sweater, but that doesn't change the
> enlarged responsibility to check out the
> background of the labor practices...
Hey Nikki P,
FYI Greg's labor practices are non-existent.
A few years ago he decided to stay at home with his girlfriend's six-seven
year old little girl so her mother could go to work.
And he enlarged HIS responsibilities to areas he never should have been.
Greg made it a practice to be in the bathroom to hand the little girl a
towel when she was finished showering.
Like she couldn't pick up a towel by herself.
And he was there to put his hands on her to force her little head under the
shower spray when she didn't rinse the shampoo out well enough.
Like she couldn't get back in and rinse it off herself.
He was also there to force the little girl to take cold showers as "aversion
therapy" when she wet her pants.
Like... do ya think his responsibility got enlarged with THAT???
I'll bet it did. The sick bastard.
Not surprisingly almost two years ago her grandparents went over and removed
the little girl from that situation.
Child Protective Services took the mother to court and a judge ordered that
the little girl should remain with the grandparents.
To this day the mother and Greg have done absolutely none of what the court
asked them to do to get the little girl returned to her mother.
So if Greg can make somebody, anybody, look bad for what they've done,
that's what he does.
Obviously the latest target of Greg is Paula.
Don't try and justify anything that Paula has done to Greg, it's just a
waste of time.
> ..Just as Foster Parents need to investigate
> the truth behind the removal of the child
> from the parents.
FPs don't need to do anything but care for the children that are brought to
them.
They are caregivers, not investigators.
> This will NOT come from
> the caseworkers. Caseworkers have been
> caught telling LIES about why the child was
> removed to the Foster Parents.
Then the parents who lost the child should deal with the CW and the lies.
FPs are out of that loop.
> When you buy the alpaca sweater, did you
> think the SALESPERSON was going to tell you the
> truth about the labor practices involved?
Welcome to Greg's alpaca (Twilight) Zone.
> If Foster Care were truly altruistic, then CPS
> wouldn't need the thousands per kid, per month
> they get reimbursed from the Federal Government.
Foster parents get reimbursed THOUSANDS per kid per month?
You mean more than 24 thousand dollars a year per child?????
Can you substantiate that claim, Greg?
You should know that Greg asked the Judge to collect the little girl's child
support money so he could use it to pay for the storage of his excess
belongings AND he asked if the Judge couldn't collect THAT money could the
taxpayers of his home state foot the bill!!!!!
So don't let him BS you about who's altruistic and who's not.
> States wouldn't be trying to illegally grab the
> child's Social Security money.
What does that have to do with foster parents?
The state government is doing that.
> States would NOT get the 5K adoption bonus.
Again, what does that have to do with the fosterparents?
> And Foster Care would stop being seen as a channel
> for adopting kids by most Foster caregivers.
MOST caregivers adopt the fosterkids?
Prove that statement, Greg.
> What altruism are you imagining that does not
> have motivations? Foster/adoption is a poor
> place to look for people without motivation.
Greg, you stupid slut.
You of all people shouldn't be speaking about other people's motivation.
Even though Greg ostensibly stopped working to watch the little girl so her
mother could go to work, in spite of the fact that the little girl hasn't
stepped in the house for the last twenty months, Greg hasn't worked a single
day since.
So when you look up the word 'motivation' in the dictionary, Nikki, don't
expect to find a picture of Greg.
And if you see or speak or write to Paula, tell her someone appreciates the
good things she's done for her kids and his name is,
Dan Sullivan from Noo Yawk!!!
Ron
> Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Destroycps!
> > > I don't know the exact history of how those kids came into
> > > Poundstone's possession, but she is not the mother of any of them. And
> the
> > > mothers probably don't even know where their kids are,
> > > considering the secrecy of adoption and foster custody.
>
> The Original Gumby Damnit!
> > These are NOT foster kids....these are her legally adopted kids....the
> > adoption makes her no less a mother than if she adopted them.
>
> Destroycps!
> (You might want to rephrase that, but I understand your meaning anyway.)
>
> According to reports I've read, Poundstone at the time of the incidents had
> two foster kids and three adopted kids. But I don't see what the big
> distinction is. Foster contractors get their foster kids relabeled to
> adopted kids so that the contractors, or now adopters, can get more money.
> Adopters want the $10K adoption tax credit for one thing, and it's no secret
> that the money is an incentive. Adopters and foster contractors also get
> paid per kid every month, for those of you who didn't know.
OK, maybe its time to set the record straight. Destroys pathetic lies
and misstatements are getting a bit more than beyond reality.
Foster children are temporary. Period. They go home. They move on.
But they rarely become permanent fixtures in one's home. Adopted
children are permanent. They don't go away until such time as they
move out on their own, just like every other kid in the nation. This
dolt's inability to understand that, or their ability to lie about the
facts, is obvious.
Adoptive parents rarely are "paid" for the kids. Not monthly, not
annually, not even a one time stipend. Unless they adopt a special
needs child. But then again, anyone with a special needs child can
get state assistance, no matter how much money they make or their
background. There is no difference here. Tax credits? Sure we get
them, and so do you, and so does every parent. We got no more and no
less. Why do you have such a hard-on for that? You don't like us
being just like every other parent in the nation?
Lets try and tell the truth for a minute, you would be amazed how well
that is going to be accepted in real life.
>
> These adoptions are not generally done with the consent of the parents or
> the kids (even if they are old enough to have an opinion), and most parents
> didn't want the state to take their kids. As I've before, it's a
About 50% of the adoptions from the system are will the full consent
and support of the bio parents of the children. Consent is not needed
in cases where parental rights are not intact of course, but it is
often given anyway.
> pro-adoption myth that these kids are stranded with no place to go.
Of course they always have a place to go. Disney Land is always a
good choice. And one that every single child in the nation would
choose given the chance. Many of them over their family homes. But
that does not make the decision the right one, or the best one. Most
bio parents want their kids back, sure they do, and will take them
back in an instant. Someone wanting their "property" back is not
uncommon, but kids are not property.
>
> The modern legal stamp of legitimacy that the courts give to adoption is no
> more valid than the previous stamp of legitimacy the courts gave to slave
> ownership.
Thus speaks the voice of the abusive parent.
Lets face it, some people never should have been parents (I'm sure
that Destroy fits quite comfortably into that category). They have
enough trouble dealing with their own personal issues that they are
unable to provide any form of even basic care for a child, but there
they go having them by the truck-load. With some it's a money issue.
Poor parents know that they can get money from the state to assist
them in providing for any kids they may have, the more kids they have
the more money they get. That way they can keep their $6.00 an hour
part time job and still have a home to go to and drink beer and smoke
dope/crack/whatever.
> The Original Gumby Damnit!
> > She made a mistake driving under the influence...
> > lots of other parents have done the
> > same thing and haven't met with the kind of punishment Poundstone or her
> > children have been given.
>
> Destroycps!
> Many, many parents have done far less than that and have had their kids
> taken by the state. You lack of acquaintance with the subject is
> understandable, though. So-called confidentiality laws prevent the public
> form seeing a true picture of how the state operates when it takes kids.
>
> You are ignoring how Poundstone got the kids in the first place. Before
> those kids were "taken" form Poundstone, they were taken form their parents.
> You are defending a fake parent and ignoring the real parents.
>
Well destroy, you seem to have issue with the concepts of parenthood
and parenting. Try reading up on the subject. Your pathetic rants
and ongoing lies on the subject, well just about all the subject's
discussed here really, mark you as nothing more than a know nothing
troll. Intelligent people are not going to buy the shovel loads of
crap that you are tossing around, but then again if the people that
support your point of view were intelligent they would not have lost
their kids to the system.
I guess that rule is true, stupidity DOES have its own rewards.
Ron
Lady Taker
"Ron" <APositi...@netscape.net> wrote:
>Destroys pathetic lies
> and misstatements are getting a bit more than beyond reality.
Waitaminute! Waitaminute! You mean that someone who rants under the
username "Destroycps!" is irrational?? GETTHEFUCKOUTTAHERE!
Volfie (which is not to say I don't appreciate your post but I doubt anyone
reads Destroycps! more than once)
Greg Hanson
getting ripped off by your beloved state, as they ARE
getting reimbursed for monthly funds to you.
Loyal Fan
Wow Heavy! This from an expert on ripping off his beloved ones.