Did Roddy McDowall have AIDS?
EZChip
On Mon, 05 Oct 1998 04:19:09 GMT, (Ryan) wrote:
>On Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:07:48 -0500, Wull <wjma...@datarecall.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Boy, talk about misinterpretation. I think I must be at the
>>head of the class for posts that are misinterpreted. But I
>>don't think I will explain again.
>>
>>Sorry about that
>>Wull
>>
>Good idea. Stop while you have only one foot in your mouth.
Unknown
Wull
I can't get over this groups predilection about saying
something nasty
about people after they have passed away.
I know, I know, someone always says, well go away or that is
what this group is all about. yah yah yah
IMO, the gossip should be about the living. People who are
dead can't defend themselves.
Wull--And I am not going away ;-)
Ryan wrote:
>
> Anyone know?
Reetswh
Wull wrote:
<some snippage>
>I can't get over this groups predilection about saying
>something nasty
>about people after they have passed away.
Exactly which part of the thread subject is nasty? Word is he died of cancer,
which can be a sympton of AIDS. If someone had asked if he had heart disease,
would you have complained that's "saying something nasty" about the dead too?
So you're telling us a person who dies of AIDS has something to be ashamed of?
Geez, you're an ignorant asshole.
Reets
Wull
I have read more posts about RM than almost anyone since I
have been reading. Quite a few have talked about him having
a brain tumor or cancer of the brain.
I know of no aids related malady that ever listed brain
cancer as an aids related illness (and I have had quite a
bit of experience with aids
patients). ergo I thought the poster was being nasty asking
that question. (he could have been a new reader, but I doubt
it).
The shame as you have concluded is clearly an incorrect
assumption,
something that happens a lot in reading rather than seeing
and hearing what a person says.
But I can withdraw the post if if upsets you that much.
Wull
Wull
head of the class for posts that are misinterpreted. But I
don't think I will explain again.
Sorry about that
Wull
Jules de los Reyes wrote:
>
> On Sun, 04 Oct 1998 18:05:30 -0500, Wull <wjma...@datarecall.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Of what importance is that now?
> >I can't get over this groups predilection about saying
> >something nasty
> >about people after they have passed away.
> >I know, I know, someone always says, well go away or that is
> >what this group is all about. yah yah yah
> >
> >IMO, the gossip should be about the living. People who are
> >dead can't defend themselves.
> >
> >Wull--And I am not going away ;-)
> >
> >Ryan wrote:
> >>
> I have AIDS. You have a problem with people with AIDS? Fuck
> you you pathetic shit. I mean that in the nicest possible way of
> course.
> Anywho, I haven't been paying much attention to it, but
> McDowall supposedly died of liver cancer. (Was it something else?)
> Liver cancer is currently one of the leading causes of death for
> people with AIDS, since continuous chemotherapy damages the liver and
> can cause liver cancer.
> IF Roddy McDowall had AIDS and didn't want to disclose it, it
> was because he cared about what shitheels like you think. I hope that
> wasn't the case. But what's nasty here isn't wondering if McDowell had
> AIDS, what's nasty here is YOU!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jules (an AIDS model. I couldn't believe it, can you?)
mslinda
The official statement said *brain* cancer, not liver.
Linda ASGTPR#49
Unknown
wrote:
>Boy, talk about misinterpretation. I think I must be at the
>head of the class for posts that are misinterpreted. But I
>don't think I will explain again.
>
>Sorry about that
>Wull
>
Catty
wrote:
>Of what importance is that now?
>I can't get over this groups predilection about saying
>something nasty about people after they have passed away.
Wull, having AIDS is not a crime, but a tragedy - as with cancer, etc.
>I know, I know, someone always says, well go away or that is
>what this group is all about. yah yah yah
>IMO, the gossip should be about the living. People who are
>dead can't defend themselves.
Aw. come on. Are you saying that we shouldn't gossip about Clark
Gable, James Dean, Ginger Rogers, Dorothy Parker, Dennis Wilson,
Natalie Wood, Nietzsche, Kurt Cobain, etc.? If it wasn't for the
dead, Kenneth Anger would be living out his days as a bitter ex-child
star in Florida, muttering darkly about the Old Hollywood.
In any case, the living celebrities can't defend themselves in ASG,
anyway.
>
>Wull--And I am not going away ;-)
Of course not. ASG is open to everyone - as long as they have passion,
love, devotion and all for celebrity gossip and celebrity gossip only.
Catty (a film bore)
xx
*NaNcY*
wrote:
>Of what importance is that now?
>I can't get over this groups predilection about saying
>something nasty
>about people after they have passed away.
>I know, I know, someone always says, well go away or that is
>what this group is all about. yah yah yah
>
>IMO, the gossip should be about the living. People who are
>dead can't defend themselves.
>
>Wull--And I am not going away ;-)
Why would anyone need to defend themselves if they did or did not die
of AIDS. Would you say that a dead person can't defend themselves if
a person asked if they died of a car accident or a heart attack?!
Asking the question about if Roddy did or did not have AIDS is hardly
nasty. This kind of attitude is why people who have AIDS feel they
must cover it up. I find your comment about AIDS far nastier than the
question!
*NaNcY*
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Extex1013
>I have AIDS. You have a problem with people with AIDS? Fuck
>you you pathetic shit. I
Hello idiot this is alt showbiz gossip not alt lets not hurt Jules feelings.
It is GOSSIP!
I didn't find all the princess di death jokes funny either or the Sonny bono
jokes etc but thats what this ng is about .
Just because you have aids doesn't mean we can't comment on anyone else having
it.This is about GOSSIP .
Or is AIDS OT because it would be un-pc to talk about it but we can joke
about other poeples death and dying I think not .
Get over yourself
>But what's nasty here isn't wondering if McDowell had
>AIDS,
extex
David Migicovsky
>
>In any case, the living celebrities can't defend themselves in ASG,
>anyway.
>
Why not? I agree they *don't,* but they could.
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Marie5890
There isnt any indication that he had AIDS. Pure speculation
MCD LANCER
>mari...@aol.com wrote:
>There isnt any indication that he had AIDS. Pure speculation
In his obituary in the New York Post this morning, it stated he was survived
only by a "close friend," which I think is fueling the speculation that he was
homosexual and possibly died of AIDS.
Regards,
Mary Beth :-) (hey, sometimes you outlive your family and are only survived by
friends.)
~*~ Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. ~*~
David Migicovsky
>
>
>Mary Beth :-) (hey, sometimes you outlive your family and are only survived
by
>friends.)
Please quote with attributions. Didn't that one come from Lucrezia Borgia?
Marie5890
Just because a person is a homosexual and dies doesnt mean they have
AIDS......Like I said before there is no indication he had AIDS....purely
speculation
MCD LANCER
>"David Migicovsky" <da...@see.sig> wrote:
>MCD LANCER wrote in message <19981005111106...@ng126.aol.com>...
>>
>>
>>Mary Beth :-) (hey, sometimes you outlive your family and are only survived
>by
>>friends.)
>
>
>Please quote with attributions. Didn't that one come from Lucrezia Borgia?
Wow, did someone famous say that? I thought I was being my usual simplistic
self . . .
Regards,
Mary Beth :-) (that's what happens when your life is little and sad)
MCD LANCER
>mari...@aol.com wrote:
Oh, that's right -- you are the *final* expert on this.
Regards,
Mary Beth :-) (don't know if he did or didn't have AIDS, but he's certainly
dead)
Wolfenhnd
The problem with someone asking, "Did he (or she) have AIDS?" is that most
people only ask that question under *certain circumstances*. When a person has
been known to a drug user or of an alternate lifestyle this seems to be the
question everyone needs clarified. However, would you, for instance, ask your
co-worker if his grandmother had AIDS when she died?
Why do people think nothing of asking that about a person who might have
been/or was openly gay? Gay does not equal AIDS anymore than being straight
means *NOT* having it.
If I may recommend: before you ask that question again, imagine how you will
feel if someone asks it of you when your mother or father dies. If you aren't
offended by the thought of the question being asked of your loved one, then go
ahead and ask. But, honestly, don't be surprised if they *are* offended by
your curiousity.
I had a good friend who died of cancer. He was talented, delightful, had a
great sense of humor and was in a long-term relationship. He was also gay. To
this day, I know someone who insists he died of AIDS simply because he was gay.
That is the equation that most people make: Gay + dead = AIDS. No matter
how incorrect it is, it is a hard notion to get out of people's heads.
(Now donning flame-proof undies....)
***-.._.--**-.._..-.........Wolfenhnd.......-.._..-**--._..---***
Marie5890
>Oh, that's right -- you are the *final* expert on this.
Did I say I was the final expert on this? or was this something you decided for
me? I just made the comment that there is no indication that he died of AIDS,
whether he was gay or straight. It is merely speculation.
Marie5890
A good illustration of the point I was trying to make :) Thanks
MCD LANCER
>mari...@aol.com wrote:
>Did I say I was the final expert on this? or was this something you decided
>for
>me? I just made the comment that there is no indication that he died of AIDS,
>whether he was gay or straight. It is merely speculation.
>
>
And how many times did you say it was only speculation?
Regards,
Mary Beth :-) (who basically agrees with what you said, but is not sure why
you're so vehement about insisting it's only speculation. this is a gossip ng,
after all)
Catty
wrote:
>Catty wrote in message <3618406a...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>
>>In any case, the living celebrities can't defend themselves in ASG,
>>anyway.
>>
>
>
>Why not? I agree they *don't,* but they could.
>
IMO, if they did, they will be wasting their time. For starts, no one
will believe them if they say who they are.
I mean, would you believe that I'm Benicio del Toro?
Wait.
<put in a few marbles in my mouth>
Woull' ya blealeeve tha' I'mmm Beneceo 'El 'Oro?
Marie5890
>but is not sure why
>you're so vehement about insisting it's only speculation. t
LOL...was I being vehement ? or are you speculating that I was?....:) I was
just making a comment .....:)
David Migicovsky
>>
>>Why not? I agree they *don't,* but they could.
>>
>IMO, if they did, they will be wasting their time. For starts, no one
>will believe them if they say who they are.
>
That's not necessarily true. David Lee (Creator, Executive Producer) and
Jeff Greenberg (Casting Director) both post in alt.tv.frasier.
But it obviously takes a long time and a history of reasoned posting in
order to be believed. Mr. Lee tends to correct factual errors, almost like a
living FAQ. If you go into the group and say "Frayshure Sux" you will not be
likely to receive a reply.
If you want to successfully impersonate a celeb discussed here, the way to
do it would not be to get outraged, but to correct simple errors of fact.
i.e., if someone says Rosie O'Donnell bought her kids, she could delurk to
say that actually they came from the Happy Valley Adoption Home. If, OTOH,
she delurks to say "I am NOT a lesbian!!! Why do you say such horrible
things? Are you jealous?" we'll never believe it's her, even if it is.
>I mean, would you believe that I'm Benicio del Toro?
>
Well I've never seen you together, so I'm not ready to dispute it yet.
elai...@my-dejanews.com
It's not like anyone was going to "make" anything out of it. He never tried
to hide the fact that he was gay. Roddy was universally loved. I am not aware
of anyone ever having said so much as a discouraging word about him.
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PRINCESSPK
>It's not like anyone was going to "make" anything out of it. He never tried
>to hide the fact that he was gay. Roddy was universally loved. I am not aware
>of anyone ever having said so much as a discouraging word about him.
Wanna?
Back in my days of academia we weren't allowed televisions in our rooms, so we
had to gather in The Commons' Room to watch a little tele. Roddy, Patricia
O'Neil, and Cloris Leachman were chatting it up on an afternoon talk show.
They just went on and on about how truly unpleasant it was to have to endure
the unaesthetic presence of fat people. "I cahn't see why they just cahn't
stay at home, maybe only come out at night, late at night." That's a direct
quote. The others were just as strident.The fat girls in the room were
mortified, the thin ones uncomfortably trying to find a place to look, praying
for a commercial.
While I take no pleasure from the misfortunes of others, and certainly not from
their passings, I find it amazing that people who ask for compassion for their
"differences", can find none in their hearts for others. Sexuality, size,
whatever, no one should feel shamed by just being. It says in the Desiderata,
"Like the trees and the stars, you have a right to be here". No addenda about,
"unless you are gay or fat".
Reigning and Deigning
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<19981005171201...@ngol07.aol.com>...
>
>While I take no pleasure from the misfortunes of others, and certainly not
from
>their passings, I find it amazing that people who ask for compassion for
their
>"differences", can find none in their hearts for others. Sexuality, size,
>whatever, no one should feel shamed by just being. It says in the
Desiderata,
>"Like the trees and the stars, you have a right to be here". No addenda
about,
>"unless you are gay or fat".
>
But we're trying to get a "pink" amendment passed.
David Migicovsky
Alexandra wrote in message <361942f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
>On Sun, 04 Oct 1998 18:05:30 -0500, Wull <wjma...@datarecall.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Of what importance is that now?
>
>them on occasion.
>
If I may interject here, I think both attitudes ultimately have the same
root concern.
Many of us have seen the automatic linking of gay deaths with AIDS, and the
automatic linking of AIDS with being gay. Even for the most open-minded
straight PWAs and HIV- gays, there's likely a bit of an annoyance. Few
people really want to take on another minority status when the one they have
has enough problems.
At the same time there are people who believe the only way to get rid of the
stigma is through openness. And certainly no one gets too upset if someone
asks if someone died of cancer. We'd all probably be best off phrasing
questions in the manner of "What did ***** die from?" rather than supplying
the disease. <g> Realistically, that won't happen.
A lot of the time the "Was it AIDS?" question is asked only because the
person was gay. That doesn't mean it always is, of course.
Usually the best way to deal with things like this is to defer to the wishes
of the people concerned. That's why most of us say gay rather than
homosexual, even the ones who miss the good old days when gay meant happy.
In this case, I have no idea who gets jurisdiction though. <g>
In any event, it's obvious that both positions come from caring about the
feelings of other people.
Jeg7777
>
> >topt...@my-dejanews.com was having another manic Monday when he posted:
>
> >Is the PK for PORK?? As in FAT????
> >
> >So Roddy didn't like fatties, so what?
> >Who does?
> >
> >Gross obesity is just that.....gross.
> >
> >No reason to hate someone just cause they find tubbos unappealing.......
> >
> >Sheesh
> >
>
> Nah, we just hate them cause they're ignorant assholes who speak to our royalty
> the way you just did.
THIS coming from someone who doesn't have a problem with people who
automatically wonder if (and/or assume) a person had AIDS just because
he may be gay. Hello, kettle? This is pot. You're black, did you know
that?
--
Joe
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topt...@my-dejanews.com
princ...@aol.com (PRINCESSPK) wrote:
>
> In article <6vb96t$mci$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, elai...@my-dejanews.com writes:
>
> >It's not like anyone was going to "make" anything out of it. He never tried
> >to hide the fact that he was gay. Roddy was universally loved. I am not aware
> >of anyone ever having said so much as a discouraging word about him.
>
> Wanna?
>
> Back in my days of academia we weren't allowed televisions in our rooms, so we
> had to gather in The Commons' Room to watch a little tele. Roddy, Patricia
> O'Neil, and Cloris Leachman were chatting it up on an afternoon talk show.
> They just went on and on about how truly unpleasant it was to have to endure
> the unaesthetic presence of fat people. "I cahn't see why they just cahn't
> stay at home, maybe only come out at night, late at night." That's a direct
> quote. The others were just as strident.The fat girls in the room were
> mortified, the thin ones uncomfortably trying to find a place to look, praying
> for a commercial.
>
from
> their passings, I find it amazing that people who ask for compassion for their
> "differences", can find none in their hearts for others. Sexuality, size,
> whatever, no one should feel shamed by just being. It says in the Desiderata,
> "Like the trees and the stars, you have a right to be here". No addenda
about,
> "unless you are gay or fat".
>
>
> Pink Wishes
> The Princess \^*^*^/
>
Ok
Is the PK for PORK?? As in FAT????
So Roddy didn't like fatties, so what?
Who does?
Gross obesity is just that.....gross.
No reason to hate someone just cause they find tubbos unappealing.......
Sheesh
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MCD LANCER
>topt...@my-dejanews.com was having another manic Monday when he posted:
>Is the PK for PORK?? As in FAT????
>
>So Roddy didn't like fatties, so what?
>Who does?
>
>Gross obesity is just that.....gross.
>
>No reason to hate someone just cause they find tubbos unappealing.......
>
>Sheesh
>
Nah, we just hate them cause they're ignorant assholes who speak to our royalty
the way you just did.
PK stands for PINK, numbnuts.
Regards,
Mary Beth :-)
Marie5890
Well Elizabeth Taylor's weight never seemed to stop him from being close
friends......so I wonder at this
Catty
>In article <19981005110437...@ng18.aol.com>,
> mari...@aol.com (Marie5890) wrote:
>>
>> There isnt any indication that he had AIDS. Pure speculation
>>
>
> It's not like anyone was going to "make" anything out of it. He never tried
>to hide the fact that he was gay. Roddy was universally loved. I am not aware
>of anyone ever having said so much as a discouraging word about him.
Er..I did. Granted, I was upset of having to watch 'My Friend, Flicka'
every night for one entire summer to please a certain cousin of mine -
so since then, every time I see McDowall, I get kinda upset - so I was
rude about him a few times.
I don't think I will ever get his voice out of my mind until I die.
That's why I can't bring myself to forgive him (even though he
was totally fabulous in Evil Under the Sun).
"Flicka? ...Flicka! ....FLICKA!!" Aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh!!!
(Seriously, McDowall - as an adult - will be missed. No question.)
Richard Vine
>only by a "close friend," which I think is fueling the speculation that he was
>homosexual and possibly died of AIDS.
This is EXACTLY what pisses me off! The formula gay + dead = AIDS.
Gay people die of heart disease, pneumonia, in car crashes, of cancer,
and all the other causes that kill off people who (gasp) are NOT
gay. A small MINORITY of people - whether gay or straight - also die of AIDS.
Is it REALLY so hard for some people to believe that a 70-year-old
man died of cancer? The question of AIDS would never have been raised if
there weren't speculation about his sexuality, despite the fact that
AIDS is NOT a disease that exclusively affects homosexuals.
The gossip about Roddy McDowell having AIDS reveals that some people still
assume that every gay man is an AIDS carrier. It's nothing
but homophobia.
/RV
Belmond9
qab...@uab.rubbish.ericsson.se said:
>Is it REALLY so hard for some people to believe that a 70-year-old
>man died of cancer? The question of AIDS would never have been raised if
>there weren't speculation about his sexuality, despite the fact that
>AIDS is NOT a disease that exclusively affects homosexuals.
>
>
And there was Reggie White again quoted yesterday as saying that "We wouldn't
have an AIDS problem if it wasn't for what those homosexuals do with
eachother".
The stupidity of our culture is mind-boggling.
MCD LANCER
>Jeg7777 <jeg...@erols.com> wrote:
>THIS coming from someone who doesn't have a problem with people who
>automatically wonder if (and/or assume) a person had AIDS just because
>he may be gay. Hello, kettle? This is pot. You're black, did you know
>that?
Excuse me, Joe, could you point out where in my post where I said it was
*right* that people did that or that I *approved* of people making that
assumption? Or even that *I myself* made that assumption? I believe I simply
stated that some people made the gay + death = AIDS assumption. And exactly
where did I say that I thought Roddy McDowell had AIDS? Try nowhere, Joe.
Why people would assume he died of AIDS when it was very clearly and regularly
stated that he had cancer (brain cancer, was it not?) is beyond me. I'm not
homophobic, and I don't believe that every single gay or lesbian individual has
AIDS or HIV, Joe.
I suggest that you remove whatever bug it is that has crawled up your ass.
Regards,
Mary Beth
David Migicovsky
>
>>Jeg7777 <jeg...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>>THIS coming from someone who doesn't have a problem with people who
>>automatically wonder if (and/or assume) a person had AIDS just because
>>he may be gay. Hello, kettle? This is pot. You're black, did you know
>>that?
>
>Excuse me, Joe, could you point out where in my post where I said it was
>*right* that people did that or that I *approved* of people making that
>assumption? Or even that *I myself* made that assumption? I believe I
simply
>stated that some people made the gay + death = AIDS assumption. And
exactly
>where did I say that I thought Roddy McDowell had AIDS? Try nowhere, Joe.
>
>Why people would assume he died of AIDS when it was very clearly and
regularly
>stated that he had cancer (brain cancer, was it not?) is beyond me. I'm
not
>homophobic, and I don't believe that every single gay or lesbian individual
has
>AIDS or HIV, Joe.
>
This is all getting so silly. It's obviously an issue that pushes a lot of
people's buttons, but the people we're hearing from are ones we should all
know are NOT homophobic or AIDSphobic.
In the past few years we have seen a revolution in how the gay closet is
viewed. At one time it was considered inviolate. While a few told, no one
asked. And if someone dared ask, they were jumped on.
More and more people came out, and more and more of us started saying "How
dare you treat us differently? Stop 'respecting our privacy' so much -- all
you're doing is perpetuating our second-class citizenship."
And as a result, we don't automatically assume that someone who pops in
asking if John Travolta is gay is a screaming homophobe. He might just be
curious and think the question is no different from asking his age.
Today, AIDS and HIV are much the same as being gay was. No one's really sure
what the right thing to say or do is. When it comes to gay issues, here in
ASG we can count on opinions from a dozen or so gay men, and dozens of
others over the years. As a result, most people in ASG, even those who've
never met a gay man IRL, know what is likely to cause offense. Fortunately
and unfortunately, on AIDS issues we've only had Jules' viewpoint and the
issue hasn't come up nearly as often.
A true bigot will not hesitate to use offensive language. If someone
doesn't, and has a history here, it might be a good idea to assume that
their motivations are good, but they may need some education, or they may
just honestly disagree with you. There are still some gay people, a large
number in fact, who do not believe in outing under any circumstances. I
disagree with them, but I can't deny their existance.
So let's try not to jump on each other over this issue. I think we have
enough things to fight about already.
PRINCESSPK
In article <MfbS1.69$6c.137...@news.randori.com>, "David Migicovsky"
<da...@see.sig> writes:
> No addenda
>about,
>>"unless you are gay or fat".
>>
>
>
>But we're trying to get a "pink" amendment passed.
Jealous! You're just mad because the last time the exterminator did your
building, you found a "Jackass Motel™" where your bed used to be.
Reigning and Deigning
Pink Wishes
The Princess \^*^*^/
Love the Great Pink Thing? She can be had at:
Catty
Vine) wrote:
<snip the good bits>
>The gossip about Roddy McDowell having AIDS reveals that some people still
>assume that every gay man is an AIDS carrier. It's nothing
>but homophobia.
>
I think it is more to do with ignorance than homophobia.
To be fair, the films didn't help either. Quite a few films had a main
gay character who is a AIDS carrier or dying of it. I didn't realise
this until a friend and I talked about a film, Dying Young (a Julia
Roberts/Scott Campbell film). During the discussion about the story,
he went, He died of AIDS, didn't he? I said No, cancer, I think. He
said You are wrong, it was AIDS. He was gay and dying of AIDS. We
squabbled a bit and I realised that he was thinking of another film
which Campbell was in - I think, 'Longtime Companions', so I corrected
him and described that film. He insisted that wasn't the film he saw.
We went through a pretty long list of films that have gay characters
with AIDS (and HIV+) before we found the film he was thinking of - To
Die For (not that Kidman film, it's a British gay film).
As you say, not every gay person died of AIDS, so it is a shame that
these these films - unwittingly, I think - influence the public so
much that they end up thinking: gay + dying = AIDS.
On personal note, a relative of mine died of heart failure almost a
month ago and when I'd bump into a person who knew him,
I'd tell this person that he died, and he or she very often responded
with a "Oh, I'm sorry......did he die of AIDS?" Almost every bloody
time. I said almost because a few responded with a "I'm sorry...did
he die of alcohol poisoning?" <laughs> Either way, Paul is fucked.
Even his sons were asked these questions, Pip told me that one even
asked if he (Paul) died of "that gay disease". It's quite incredible
to see how far ignorance can reach!
Michael Ritchie
>
> In his obituary in the New York Post this morning, it stated he was survived
> only by a "close friend," which I think is fueling the speculation that he was
> homosexual and possibly died of AIDS.
In the three obits I've read so far, none have mentioned
any survivors except a sister. A "close friend" was
quoted as saying that he died of simply "cancer,"
though Army Archard's column a couple weeks ago that
first broke the story said he had brain cancer.
Certainly he was gay, though the AIDS speculation
seems just that: speculation. My father died of brain
cancer at the age of 68; people of that age do sometimes
without AIDS being at its root.
--M.
Michael Ritchie
> He never tried to hide the fact that he was gay.
Well, God love him, but yes, he did. If he didn't
talk about it in the press, he hid it. I don't
judge him for this; according to the NYT obit, he
was a big believer in private lives staying
private, leading to him being a good friend to
lots of Hollywood stars because they knew he would
keep their secrets. But he obviously *did*
go some lengths to at least avoid talking about
his sexual orientation.
--M.
Mary Campbell
Michael Ritchie (mrit...@columbus.rr.com) writes:
> MCD LANCER wrote:
>>
>> In his obituary in the New York Post this morning, it stated he was
>> survived
>> only by a "close friend," which I think is fueling the speculation that
>> he was homosexual and possibly died of AIDS.
>
> In the three obits I've read so far, none have mentioned
> any survivors except a sister. A "close friend" was
> quoted as saying that he died of simply "cancer,"
> though Army Archard's column a couple weeks ago that
> first broke the story said he had brain cancer.
I've seen the friend identified as Dennis Osborne in a couple of places
-- see for example the BBC news site at http://news.bbc.co.uk (go to
"World" and then to "Entertainment"). Osborne is described there as
having taken care of Roddy during the last few months.
Rob Merritt
>Anyone know?
Well yes he does. However lucky for Roddy, he is already dead from
cancer so AIDS will not affect his life style one bit. Catching a
terminal disease after already dying doesn't bother most people.
However is your about to have sex with the dead guy, use the proper
protection.
Sick questions require a sick answer.
Rob Merritt
http://www.bcpl.net/~robertm
Knopp
wolf...@aol.com (Wolfenhnd) wrote:
> The problem with someone asking, "Did he (or she) have AIDS?" is that most
> people only ask that question under *certain circumstances*. When a
person has
> been known to a drug user or of an alternate lifestyle this seems to be the
What type of alternative lifestyle did McDowall lead?
-Knopp
Wolfenhnd
>What type of alternative lifestyle did McDowall lead?
>
>-Knopp
"Alternate" as perceived by the ASKEE; normal to the deceased.
Clearer now?
***-.._.--**-.._..-.........Wolfenhnd.......-.._..-**--._..---***
Extex1013
Before we all have a fit what is the # 1 killer of gay men in the United
States?
Thats why the question was asked
extex
Wolfenhnd
>
>"Alternate" as perceived by the ASKEE; normal to the deceased.
>
>Clearer now?
>
>***-.._.--**-.._..-.........Wolfenhnd.......-.._..-**--._..---***
Wait! Wait! Maybe I meant "alternate" as perceived by the ask*ER*. Really,
it's just too early for this kind of crap. Let me try once more to clarify:
People have *perceptions* about what is normal. They tend to take their little
paradyms and apply them to everyone else. If they think someone is gay they
are likely to ask the AIDS question. That's just the way it is. Go argue with
the putz' who ask that question, not me.
And, for me, this was the end of this thread....
***-.._.--**-.._..-.........Wolfenhnd.......-.._..-**--._..---***
Jennifer Basil
: Before we all have a fit what is the # 1 killer of gay men in the United
: States?
: Thats why the question was asked
: extex
It kills more hets than gays. And many men die of heart attacks...number
one killer. So when a guy you know dies, do you immediately say
"Heart ATtack?!?!". No. Especially if you already heard they chad
cancer.
D'oh!
Jenny
--
___________
Jennifer A. T. Basil Has angst, will travel.
Laboratory for the study of Wee Beasties
"Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree! Merry merry king of the bush
is he! Laugh, Kookaburra, laugh Kookaburra! Save one there for me!"
Catty
>
>Before we all have a fit what is the # 1 killer of gay men in the United
>States?
> Thats why the question was asked
> extex
The answer: heart failure is the #1 killer of gay men in the US.
Do I win the prize? What is this? Ooooh, George Clooney the Doctor
doll! Can I bash it over Imogen's head? Kewl!
IMOGEN! Come here...there is something I want to show you! Aw, don't
look so wary. Come here, darls. A bit closer, dear....
Knopp
wolf...@aol.com (Wolfenhnd) wrote:
> >
> >"Alternate" as perceived by the ASKEE; normal to the deceased.
> >
> >Clearer now?
Not a bit.
> >***-.._.--**-.._..-.........Wolfenhnd.......-.._..-**--._..---***
>
> Wait! Wait! Maybe I meant "alternate" as perceived by the ask*ER*.
Really,
> it's just too early for this kind of crap. Let me try once more to clarify:
> People have *perceptions* about what is normal. They tend to take their
little
> paradyms and apply them to everyone else. If they think someone is gay they
> are likely to ask the AIDS question. That's just the way it is. Go
argue with
> the putz' who ask that question, not me.
I wasn't arguing. I was asking a question. I suppose you have now
answered the question: Roddy McDowall was gay.
Thank you.
> And, for me, this was the end of this thread....
Okay.
-Knopp
RGINA
>
>I think they mean his unnaturally close relationship to the collie...
>m.p.
So.... are you insinuating that he died of complications of --Rabies?
alt showbiz gossip
LovettsMom
Does anybody really care WHY he died? Just the fact that a brilliantly
talented actor passed away from any horrendous disease should be enough to make
us all grieve.
Let the man, and all others who have died of all syndromes just rest in
peace....why question their lifestyles after they've left us? I think it's
cruel and very untasteful. Who cares what he did behind closed doors!
Sorry, but I just get SO angry at this sort of discussion. My brother died of
AIDS and I know the social trials and tribulations as well as the medical that
anyone who is ill goes through. Does it make a difference if one dies of
Cancer or AIDS or an Anuerysm or whatever? Just dying should be more than
enough...and if they suffered throughout their last days does that make the
question even hotter? Who cares how.. ....lets just let them rest in peace and
remember them for the legacy they've left us.
*~R~*
RGINA
>Does anybody really care WHY he died?
*Why* celebrities (who most of us don't know) die, get divorced, end up in
rehab, do wild and crazy things--provokes curiosity and hence gossip, which
is what this newsgroup is about. A similar mentality exists with drivers
when they encounter an accident on the road and stare. I can understand how
callous it sounds, especially if a person knew him and read these remarks. But
this newsgroup isn't a fan-based group as much as a curiosity center.
alt showbiz gossip
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
: Knopp wrote:
: > What type of alternative lifestyle did McDowall lead?
: I think they mean his unnaturally close relationship to the collie...
No no, it was agreeing to play Scrooge in last year's Madison Square
Garden Theater production of A CHRISTMAS CAROL (trading off with Hal
Linden). They have Roger Daltrey, of all people, doing the role this
year. God, this production sucks. It's about as alternate a lifestyle as
you're likely to find around these parts... :)
(A propos of nothing, my first husband tells me Roddy will forever be
etched in his memory for his flub in the show that we saw, wherein he
declared to Marley's ghost, "There's more of grave than of gravy about
you!" We just about fell out of our seats at that one.)
- Elayne
--
"Very few people possess true artistic ability. It is therefore both
unseemly and unproductive to irritate the situation by making an effort.
If you have a burning, restless urge to write or paint, simply eat
something sweet and the feeling will pass." - Fran Lebowitz
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
: Before we all have a fit what is the # 1 killer of gay men in the United
: States?
I figured it was still homophobia.