A visit to the ASAR archives
D. 'Krikket' Krick
*** SPOILER WARNING ***
Contents: Snippets of posts from the archives
of ASAR provided by Relkie's / Darella's
parents.
These deal with setting the facts streight as
to what occurred.
(Note: I'm keying these in by hand, as the computer setup I'm using is unable
to chop the files down to a smaller size so I can do stuff other than print it
off to a printer... Any typo's or mispellings are mine. What I am quoting is
kept word for word though!)
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Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: anon...@twells.com (Prisoner)
Subject: feedback on a decision
Message-ID: <Eq8Bn...@twwells.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1992 04:11:50 GMT
I decided that I could not let Relkie return home and pretend that she could
tough out the next year or so;
I used something I knew, that she wanted to protect her mother, and told her
that is she just went home, I'd call in child protective services, which would
have totally blown her mother's "protection". That made it impossible for her
to return home. That's what becan this whole circus; that night was her first
in a woman's shelter.
Not only did I violate her autonomy by making that decision for her but I did
so essentially by force.
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---> This next letter was witten after Relkie / Darella was put in a Mental
Health Facility against her will.
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: anon...@twwells.com (Prisoner)
Subject: where am I
Message-ID <Bq8LK...@twwells.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1992 07:45:38 GMT
Huh. They've locked the wrong one away.
I feel wrong; I feeling like being punished would be the right thing to happen
to me.
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Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: afd...@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Subject: Does abuse *justify* abuse ? Re: dealing with abusive posters
Message-ID: <26HYN199...@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>
References: <BqFJL...@twwells.com>
Date: 26 Jun 1992 16:35 EST
In article <BqFJl...@twwells.com>, anon...@twwells.com (Prisoner) writes...
>Just a reminder: the best way to deal with people who post
>abusively is to ignore them.
I can remember a time, prisoner, when a large segment of the readers of
this group found *your* posts to be inappropriate and abusive, yet they
were open-minded and compassionate enough to work with you rather than
trying to declare a boycott on your opnions. Perhaps it's time for what
`went around' then to `come around' now.
In this thread I see *vehemently* abusive missives directed at Ed, and all
under the auspices of righteous indignation at a post which, upon repeated
readings, directly and compassionately answered the question asked by Karla.
Even in *this* forun, a.s.a.r., asking a question and then implying that the
answer should fall a certian way or you're going to consider yourself
`abused' by the disagreement is nothing less than emotionally manipulative
and abusive behavior on the part of the questioner.
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From: fsl...@acad3.alaska.edy (Ossander Linda A)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: may I make my own decisions, please?
Summary: To bad for you
Message-ID: <2JUL92...@acad3.alaska.edy>
Date: 3 Jul 92 04:46:43 GMT
References: <BqEz4...@twwells.com>
Reply-To: fsl...@acad3.alaska.edu
In article <BqEz4...@twwells.com>, anon...@twwells.com (Prisoner) writes...
>(Does someone want to talk about how self-blame can be used to
>avoid being responsible? There's a niggle in the back of my head
>that says I do this.)
Now if you feel I am blaming you to damn bad mister!
A good healthy dose of anger does us wonders if we use it constructively. I
personally cannot stand to be manipulated by you or anyone else anymore. Have
a nice day.
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From: anon...@twwells.com (Prisoner)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: RE: a message from solitary
Message-ID: <Bt5r...@twwells.com>
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:39:52 GMT
Everyone who has a stake in this, which is to say everyone who is
using or contemplates using the APS, now can justify a need to
know whether or not I'm going to misuse my position as its
administrtor. You and I now both have a responsibility to
provide the facts so that others can decide for themselves.
Bluntly: I won't. This has nothing at all to do with my position
as APS administrator because, as admin, my few communications are
strictly technical in nature.
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Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: hol...@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: RE: a message from solitary
References: <Bt5r...@twwells.com>
Message-ID: <1992Aug18...@fnalo.fnal.gov
I don't know yet if you're "blaming the victim or whatever, but you are
missing the point. You places yourself in a position where you were going to
be her foster father. You made yourself her parent in her eyes. From the
point at which you did that, sex with her should have been an automatic no,
even if she ripped your clothes off and said "Take me."
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Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: anon...@twwells.com (Prisoner)
Subject: how do I?
Messge ID: <Bt7Hs...@twwells.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:07:29 GMT
I feel like if I say anything to or about Relkie that isn't
directly related to this recent thing, that I'm maybe doing
even more manipulation. I have no way to judge.
But guilt. That's the killer. It blinds me. It doesn't help that
there is someone hurt and that I'm part of the cause. And that means
that because I do know this, that I must accept blame for the hurt I cause.
i don't know what I should do. Yes, where it comes to the APS, I
know: let the facts be available and let people judge for
themselves. Most people are, for sure, going to condemn me. But
as long as they have an understanding, so long as they condemn me
for the right reasons or something close, I will be satisfied.
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Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: anon...@twwells.com (Prisoner)
Subject: a long night
Message-ID: <Bt84u...@twwells.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:25:17 GMT
She [Relkie] wrote of saying that she wanted to save herself for
someone else. I recall sayin ghtat this was a good thing since
she cared a lot for that person. I also recall that one of the
reasons we agreed to keep this off the net was that we didn't want to upset
that person.
The thing she reported as my saying that she wasn't a virgin anyway
so this wouldn't matter I don't recall. I don't know that I said that.
I might have, though.
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From: ft...@acad3.alaska.edu (OSSANDER LINDA A)
Nesgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: The Anonymous Service: This Waiter Has A Fake Accent
Message-ID: <17AUG199...@acad3.alaska.edy>
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:24:00 GMT
References: <14AUG92.140...@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>
<1992aug17....@qiclab.scn.rain.com>
>In article <14AUG92.14...@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> Z75N00 <Z...@UNB.CA>
writes...
>>I tried to come forward in a public forum and it backfired.
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>>I tried to make a report to the police a long time ago, and I wasn't
>>taken seriously (because i didn't run screaming out of the room
>>afterwards, said the female officer).
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>>I tried not to use names, butI didn't want anyone to be victimized any
>>longer.
---> That was Relkie writing....
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Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: anon...@twwells.com (Prisoner)
Subject: Re: Relkie
Message-ID: <BtAq6...@twwells.com>
Date Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:01:10 GMT
Z57NOOO writes:
: And I don't lie about things like this.
Let me second that. I do not believe that Relkie is lying about
anything.
Prisoner
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From: Z5...@UNB.CA (Z57N000)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Message-ID: <13AUG92.22...@UNBVM1.CSO.UNB.CA>
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:22:56 GMT
References: <12AUG92.22...@UNBVM1.CSD.CA>
<1992Aug13.0...@qiclab.scn.rain.com>
I am not trying to cause a scene. I am seriously afraid for the anon
posters, that a similar game might be played with their minds off asar
where we cant see it that was played with my mind. I am also afraid for
my own personal saftey. If I can identify the so-called benefactor
without using his name, alias or mail address then I will. And I so
believe I have. I DO NOT HAVE THE STRENGTH TO DIRECTLY ACCUSE HIM!!!!!
I have many friends who have known about this for quite some time.
Several people have been encouragine me to come forward. And let's face
it, it's not like it's irrelevant.
Sally, anyone who does what was done to me should not be places in a
position of power and influence in such a group as this. The man needs
serious therapy. I've seen his pattern. So 100 other posters may be
left alone. What about the one naive soul who has no choice but to post
anonymously, like me back in May and June, and who may end up another
relkie? The emotional dependence, the double-parasite cycle, it's
unhealthy and I am trying to make sure it doesn't happen again.
What did I want to happen? I WANTED THERE TO NEVER BE ANOTHER INCIDENT
LIKE THE LAST ONE. I'm sorry for wanting to be the last one.
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From: e...@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: say what?
Message-ID: <1992Sep3.2...@unislc.uucp>
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:02:05 GMT
References: <92090312...@saturn.upl.com>
All I can do is give my take on the whole thing. Again. <sign>
It was theorized that the APS at twwells.com had been compromised when it
was revealed that a posted called "Prisoner" was really Bell Wells, the APS
admin at twwells.com. Needless to say, some people felt there was a conflict
of interest here - especially when Bill admitted to abusing his trust as APS
administrator by contacting another poster directly using information gleaned
from the APS.
It is my hope that there will be many APS servers up and running eventually.
To that end,I have posted the complete source code to my APS (written
entirely in C) to alt.sources, for people to inspect commenton security
features and bugs, and suggest features (PATCHES ARE ALWAYS WELCOME!!!).
-->Side comment: If anyone out there wants the source code to run an anon
server, contact either Ed or I. We'll email you the C source code.
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I know that there is a lot of stuff that I still need to be dug up. This is
only scratching the surface. I may be missing some stuff atthe beginning of
the archive, and I know I haven't searched what I have throughly yet. Will
post more as I sift through things...
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Krikket - kri...@meltdown.chi.il.us -Pager# 708/324-6928
(Prefered Anon Address) - an...@anon.penet.fi -Chicagoland beeps
(I avoid whenever possible)- anon...@twwells.com -returned ASAP.
`My mother used to say you had scaly green skin and terrible halitosis.'
`Really, it seems that the reports of my breath have been greatly exaggerated.'
-- Bernice & Sheldukher in "The Highest Science" by Gareth Roberts