Is the ASSM group dying?
Laura
Mike T.
wrote:
>Hmmm?
No, but I think it's showing symptoms of war fatigue. Two serials, one
by cmsix and one by Lazlo Zalezac, seem more interested in warfare
than sex. Do young men in the US today masturbate while looking at
copies of Jane's Defence Weekly?
Mike T.
suzee
And then there's Katz's King Jakob.
Everything's slow this time of year, last summer vacations, getting kids
ready for school, etc....
suzee
cmsix
"Mike T." <mi...@invalid.net> wrote in message
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I don't have any idea, I'm not young.
cmsix
>
> Mike T.
Gary Jordan
Must be all those other writers gearing up for flash fiction of the hurricane
season at Jack's request. Since Danielle and Earl turned out to be (mostly)
non-threatening, they have to wait for another "Perfect Storm".
I'm starting two weeks vacation the week after next, first two weeks of
September. I have three plans for this vacation:
1. Not going to work.
2. Not going anywhere else, more than 100 miles from home.
3. Finishing "Going Down" and writing the second part of "Pirates of the Carob
Bean."
I've got another 2 weeks scheduled in November, ending after Thanksgiving.
Plan #1 is the same, but #2 is not to be within 100 miles of home. Unless I
acquire a laptop twixt now and then, I'll be offline for two weeks.
ASSM can get (and has gotten) along fine without me.
Down scope.
Gary Jordan
"Old submariners never die--at least, not on the surface..."
<I>"This communicating of a man's self to his friend works two contrary
effects, for it redoubleth joys, and cutteth griefs in half." - Francis Bacon,
Essays </I>
katzmarek
> "Mike T." wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:42:50 GMT, Laura <lauraly...@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hmmm?
>>
>>No, but I think it's showing symptoms of war fatigue. Two serials, one
>>by cmsix and one by Lazlo Zalezac, seem more interested in warfare
>>than sex. Do young men in the US today masturbate while looking at
>>copies of Jane's Defence Weekly?
>
>
> And then there's Katz's King Jakob.
Well, in my defence, KJ isn't about war, IMV. There's no battle scenes,
no feats of daring-do, no 'lets give 'em one for ol' Charlie, go lads,'
*this* time. Purely a co-incidence. OTOH there's more bonking than I
usually write, simply because I felt like it, and it could be worked
into the story without being too contrived.
I have no idea what young American men masturbate to, and frankly, I'd
rather not know. It does, however, put me off purchasing second-hand
copies of Jane's from the bookstore.
> Everything's slow this time of year, last summer vacations, getting kids
> ready for school, etc....
<offended sniff> Some of us don't live in the Northern Hemisphere, I
have not vacated because I'm not that crazy about snow and the beaches
are f**king cold. For that same reason, the bike remains locked in the
garage until things warm up. The brood *are* at school and I prefer it
that way.
Spring will be springing in a couple of weeks. It also means the grass
grows faasstt. BTW, Fall is autumn, right? So why isn't winter,
'fallen', Spring 'rising' and summer, 'hovering.' Just curious!
Don
> suzee
cmsix
Are you saying that we shouldn't write anything that young men can't
use for masturbatory inspiration? I might be insulted if I think about
it a little more. Naw, I'm not.
If you don't like what you're seeing on ASSM, open a text editor and
get started.
"It doesn't cost very much, and it last a long time." - from "Illegal
Smile" by John Prine.
cmsix
cmsix
You won't have to worry about me posting any more "War Stories" on
ASSM. I'm going to post the rest of "NanoVirus" because I think a few
are reading it. Believe me, I won't bother with anything else.
As far as I'm concerned, the readership at ASSM is substandard. They
are largely unappreciative assholes.
cmsix
Denny Wheeler
I'm sure Red and Victor as well as John and Argent are--or were--being
read. Please do keep posting to ASSM.
No, you won't get nearly as much feedback as from SOL--usenet doesn't
have feedback forms.
(or are you jerking chains again?)
-Denny-
the curmudgeonly editor
--
"A tree is a tree - how many more do you need to look at?"
Ronald Reagan (When he was Governor of California)
Denny Wheeler
wrote:
>I'm starting two weeks vacation the week after next, first two weeks of
>September. I have three plans for this vacation:
>
>1. Not going to work.
>2. Not going anywhere else, more than 100 miles from home.
>3. Finishing "Going Down" and writing the second part of "Pirates of the Carob
>Bean."
I have no trouble believing Gary will manage the first two.
The third? Wee--e-lllll....
suzee
>
> suzee wrote:
> > "Mike T." wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:42:50 GMT, Laura <lauraly...@hotmail.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hmmm?
> >>
> >>No, but I think it's showing symptoms of war fatigue. Two serials, one
> >>by cmsix and one by Lazlo Zalezac, seem more interested in warfare
> >>than sex. Do young men in the US today masturbate while looking at
> >>copies of Jane's Defence Weekly?
> >
> >
> > And then there's Katz's King Jakob.
>
> Well, in my defence, KJ isn't about war, IMV. There's no battle scenes,
> no feats of daring-do, no 'lets give 'em one for ol' Charlie, go lads,'
> *this* time. Purely a co-incidence. OTOH there's more bonking than I
> usually write, simply because I felt like it, and it could be worked
> into the story without being too contrived.
I haven't read it yet (I will though), so all I know about it is what's
been discussed here.
> I have no idea what young American men masturbate to, and frankly, I'd
> rather not know. It does, however, put me off purchasing second-hand
> copies of Jane's from the bookstore.
>
> > Everything's slow this time of year, last summer vacations, getting kids
> > ready for school, etc....
>
> <offended sniff> Some of us don't live in the Northern Hemisphere, I
> have not vacated because I'm not that crazy about snow and the beaches
> are f**king cold. For that same reason, the bike remains locked in the
> garage until things warm up. The brood *are* at school and I prefer it
> that way.
You weren't covered by my generalization because, of course, you've been
posting stuff. :)
> Spring will be springing in a couple of weeks. It also means the grass
> grows faasstt. BTW, Fall is autumn, right? So why isn't winter,
> 'fallen', Spring 'rising' and summer, 'hovering.' Just curious!
Look into chinese medicine... it covers some of those concepts. <g>
suzee
Jeff Zephyr
>
>"Mike T." <mi...@invalid.net> wrote in message
>news:053ci0h0mk4rm3bsl...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:42:50 GMT, Laura <lauraly...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Hmmm?
Hi Laura!
>> No, but I think it's showing symptoms of war fatigue. Two serials,
>> one
>> by cmsix and one by Lazlo Zalezac, seem more interested in warfare
>> than sex. Do young men in the US today masturbate while looking at
>> copies of Jane's Defence Weekly?
>
>I don't have any idea, I'm not young.
Well, there always were some guys into that. Or cars. Corvettes
are pretty sexy, you know? :-)
Still, I think it is more a matter -- as far as ASSM goes -- of
other writers not finishing anything up at this time. For anyone
involved with schooling -- either as parent with kids or student or
teacher or whatever -- the last two weeks of summer is pretty busy,
bounded by vacations and other entertainment which culiminate in the
(in the USA anyway) 1st week of September's holiday. Thereafter, we
expect to be busy in other ways, catching up later with writing and
reading and whatever else.
--
Jeff
Web site at http://www.asstr.org/~jeffzephyr/
For FTP, ftp://ftp.asstr.org/pub/Authors/jeffzephyr/
There is nothing more important than petting the cat.
cmsix
"Denny Wheeler" <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:21:32 GMT, "cmsix" <cm...@cmsix.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>You won't have to worry about me posting any more "War Stories" on
>>ASSM. I'm going to post the rest of "NanoVirus" because I think a
>>few
>>are reading it. Believe me, I won't bother with anything else.
>>
>>As far as I'm concerned, the readership at ASSM is substandard. They
>>are largely unappreciative assholes.
>
> I'm sure Red and Victor as well as John and Argent are--or
> were--being
> read. Please do keep posting to ASSM.
> No, you won't get nearly as much feedback as from SOL--usenet
> doesn't
> have feedback forms.
No, I'm not jerking chains or jerking off either. I didn't post "John
and Argent" though and I'm not planning to. I left an unmunged email
address at the top and bottom of each chapter and put my real unmunged
email address in so they could just click on reply to sender.
If that's too hard for them, I'm sorry. It's my opinion that they'll
never get any better unless we wobble the job.
Then again, it's entirely possible that no one is reading my stuff, in
which case I needn't have bothered at all.
cmsix
Uther Pendragon
> suzee wrote:
>> "Mike T." wrote:
>>>On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:42:50 GMT, Laura <lauraly...@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>>Hmmm?
>>>
>>>No, but I think it's showing symptoms of war fatigue. Two serials, one
>>>by cmsix and one by Lazlo Zalezac, seem more interested in warfare
>>>than sex. Do young men in the US today masturbate while looking at
>>>copies of Jane's Defence Weekly?
>>
>>
>> And then there's Katz's King Jakob.
> Well, in my defence, KJ isn't about war, IMV. There's no battle scenes,
> no feats of daring-do, no 'lets give 'em one for ol' Charlie, go lads,'
> *this* time. Purely a co-incidence. OTOH there's more bonking than I
> usually write, simply because I felt like it, and it could be worked
> into the story without being too contrived.
In hte six chapters I've read so far, only half a chapter takes place in
wartime, and Jakob deserts before he gets into combat. There is a lot of
sabre rattling in the background of the most recent chapter, but Jakob is
always ready to sheath his sword.
> I have no idea what young American men masturbate to, and frankly, I'd
> rather not know. It does, however, put me off purchasing second-hand
> copies of Jane's from the bookstore.
Whatever young Ynaks do with their _Jane's_, it's highly unlikely to
affect those in used beookstores in NZ.
> <offended sniff> Some of us don't live in the Northern Hemisphere, I
> have not vacated because I'm not that crazy about snow and the beaches
> are f**king cold. For that same reason, the bike remains locked in the
> garage until things warm up. The brood *are* at school and I prefer it
> that way.
But when the Yanks on the NG slow down, the NG slows down. It ain't
exclusively Yank but it's over half Yank, and most of the rest are N.
Hemisphere. You, the Father, Ozgirl, who else? The silence of We3 is
already the subject of another thread.
> Spring will be springing in a couple of weeks. It also means the grass
> grows faasstt. BTW, Fall is autumn, right? So why isn't winter,
> 'fallen', Spring 'rising' and summer, 'hovering.' Just curious!
Leaves fall in Fall. They don't hover in summer.
--
Uther Pendragon FAQs http://www.nyx.net/~anon584c
anon...@nyx.net fiqshn http://www.asstr.org/~Uther_Pendragon
cmsix
<dry...@shark.eat> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:21:32 GMT, in alt.sex.stories.d, "cmsix"
> <cm...@cmsix.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>You won't have to worry about me posting any more "War Stories" on
>>ASSM. I'm going to post the rest of "NanoVirus" because I think a
>>few
>>are reading it. Believe me, I won't bother with anything else.
>
>
>>As far as I'm concerned, the readership at ASSM is substandard. They
>>are largely unappreciative assholes.
>
>
> and I am not a writer.
And this is not ASSM. This is ASSD and they are not the same nor are
they interchangable. I did not say that the readership in ASSD were
assholes.
What was that offence line in your sig Denny's.
cmsix
>
>
Vulgar Argot
No, but I do tend to look for new porn through Jane's Guide. I'm
betting they're not the same Jane.
--Vulgar Argot
http://storiesonline.net/library/author.php?id=2020
--
"Vulgarity begins when imagination succumbs to the explicit."
--Doris Day
Tim Merrigan
And any comments to ASSM get shunted to here, sans curlies. I have to
admit that I haven't read your stories, yet, though I enjoyed, and I
think commented on, the excerpts you posted here, but I have been adding
them to my collection, to be read later.
--
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cmsix
"Tim Merrigan" <tp...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> cmsix wrote:
>> <dry...@shark.eat> wrote in message
>> news:9d4di0lcb5ikno4te...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:21:32 GMT, in alt.sex.stories.d, "cmsix"
>>><cm...@cmsix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>You won't have to worry about me posting any more "War Stories" on
>>>>ASSM. I'm going to post the rest of "NanoVirus" because I think a
>>>>few
>>>>are reading it. Believe me, I won't bother with anything else.
>>>
>>>Me raises hand...
>>>
>>>
>>>>As far as I'm concerned, the readership at ASSM is substandard.
>>>>They
>>>>are largely unappreciative assholes.
>>>
>>>I am here, reading and making comments.
>>>
>>>and I am not a writer.
>>
>>
>> And this is not ASSM. This is ASSD and they are not the same nor
>> are they interchangable. I did not say that the readership in ASSD
>> were assholes.
>>
>> What was that offence line in your sig Denny's.
>>
>> cmsix
>
> And any comments to ASSM get shunted to here, sans curlies. I have
> to admit that I haven't read your stories, yet, though I enjoyed,
> and I think commented on, the excerpts you posted here, but I have
> been adding them to my collection, to be read later.
When I see a comment in here that has come from ASSM, it has {ASSM} in
the subject line and his reply wasn't from ASSM, since I didn't post
mine there. I assumed that since he had a quote out of my reply in his
that he was replying to my reply. If I was wrong, I apologize.
Some of the few emails I did receive from ASSM readers pissed me off
more than not getting one, and it wasn't the ones that were critical.
It was the ones that start out. "I rarely send feedback or email to
authors of stories in ASSM" or some such. Sending something like that
is guaranteed to make me consider them an asshole until proven
different.
AS if they thought it was some mark of sophistication to read an
author's work and not even bother to thank them for going to the
trouble.
cmsix
Brogan Wayfarer
Well I've been debating posting my only (so far) story on ASSM, but
after reading the flames about people that post chapters to a story
that isn't finished yet, I will have to wait, if I post at all.
HOWEVER....
If anyone should want to read the 12 chapters I have done so far, it's
over at SOL, and called "Puzzles and Solutions"
http://storiesonline.net/library/st_get.php?id=39848
But be warned, it's not done yet.
Brogan Wayfarer
.
.
.
"You Are What You Is"
- Frank Zappa
Uncle Sky
Or some of us who read at ASSM may have read it all at SOL where we have
you on our favorite authors list.
--
Uncle Sky
http://www.asstr.org/files/Authors/uncle_sky
ftp://ftp.asstr.org/pub/Authors/uncle_sky
http://www.geocities.com/uncle_sky2004/index.htm
Uncle Sky
> <dry...@shark.eat> wrote in message
> news:9d4di0lcb5ikno4te...@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:21:32 GMT, in alt.sex.stories.d, "cmsix"
> > <cm...@cmsix.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>You won't have to worry about me posting any more "War Stories" on
> >>ASSM. I'm going to post the rest of "NanoVirus" because I think a
> >>few
> >>are reading it. Believe me, I won't bother with anything else.
> >
> > Me raises hand...
> >
> >>As far as I'm concerned, the readership at ASSM is substandard. They
> >>are largely unappreciative assholes.
I am not unappreciative, but then two out of three....
> >
> > I am here, reading and making comments.
> >
> > and I am not a writer.
>
> And this is not ASSM. This is ASSD and they are not the same nor are
> they interchangable. I did not say that the readership in ASSD were
> assholes.
>
> What was that offence line in your sig Denny's.
>
> cmsix
>
> >
> >
--
cmsix
"Brogan Wayfarer" <brogan_way...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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If they want to read something that is finished, they can go to a
bookstore and plop down the money.
cmsix
cmsix
"Uncle Sky" <Uncl...@home.alone.invalid> wrote in message
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> "cmsix" <cm...@cmsix.com> wrote:
>> <dry...@shark.eat> wrote in message
>> news:9d4di0lcb5ikno4te...@4ax.com...
>> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:21:32 GMT, in alt.sex.stories.d, "cmsix"
>> > <cm...@cmsix.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>You won't have to worry about me posting any more "War Stories"
>> >>on
>> >>ASSM. I'm going to post the rest of "NanoVirus" because I think a
>> >>few
>> >>are reading it. Believe me, I won't bother with anything else.
>> >
>> > Me raises hand...
>> >
>> >>As far as I'm concerned, the readership at ASSM is substandard.
>> >>They
>> >>are largely unappreciative assholes.
>
> I am not unappreciative, but then two out of three....
If I was talking about you, you would have known it.
cmsix
cmsix
"Uncle Sky" <Uncl...@home.alone.invalid> wrote in message
Thank you kindly. When the virus comes I'll try to get you an
antidote.
cmsix
Uncle Sky
I read unfinished serials on ASSM all the time. Yes it's frustrating when
the stop short of completetion but that doesn't stop me from following
them. Ed Biggers and New year come to mind. Both are at SOL but not up to
date there. Speaking of SOL I have 41 stories that are in progress in my
library there.
I think it's wrong to use too broad a statement when talking about a group
of people. I believe there are many readers out there that do not comment
on stories for a number of reasons which may seem silly to us. But my
feeling is that if one person reads and enjoys my story on any one group or
site that I post it to, then I have achieved my goal. I seek to bring
pleasure to others. The feedback does help by telling me I am reaching them
but it is not something I expect.
Damn. How did I end up standing on this stupid soap box?
>
> Brogan Wayfarer
>
> .
> .
> .
>
> "You Are What You Is"
>
> - Frank Zappa
--
FranzKafka79
Please continue in writing and posting.
Normally, if I read a story which has a long non-sex part I skip this
part of the story up to the beginning to hot sex.
With "Nano Virus" is is a difference. I am reading the story and
sometimes I am skipping the sex part for getting further with the
plot.
I would say, that you are the Tom Clancy of ASSM.
Have a nice day.
FranzKafka79
Denny Wheeler
>What was that offence line in your sig Denny's.
You mean this?
--
-denny-
Some people are offence kleptomaniacs -- whenever they see
an offence that isn't nailed down, they take it ;-)
--David C. Pugh, in alt.callahans
Silverman
news:gypVc.998$Rp6...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
I know from many many years of operating a BBS before the
internet took over fidonet and itcnet and caused their great
decline / disconnection that most people that use public
"free" things are very un-appreciative in word or deed.
It is as if you spend your time, effort, work, and in
some cases money (bbs' costed money - phone lines, long
distance to connect to area hubs, etc) for others and they
come to think of it as "deserved" to them.
Never a word of thanks, no donations, they use it, leave,
if it's down for a day or so they bitch as if you are their
employee, call in, read, leave, no thank you, no "hey that was
great", nothing.
However, and more on point for here, during that time I
saw and read many man of the stories by the authors of the
time period (when the anon servers were still around and
"safe" and such) and sent the encouraging note when I knew
where to send them to. I was able to "talk" to many authors
personally (I have spoken to Eros in Australlia - the one that
wrote many family oriented stories in the 80s), and found that
in all cases the authors wanted a single kind word for their
effort, a single letter would suffice, a mere simple effort on
the part of the reader to reward / thank them for their time,
trouble, and hassle.
And why not?! Indeed, why not?
You, for example, are writing a story I am following
avidly and I enjoy it. For a little while I can leave the day
to day and have fun in reading and that is something that
comes to me at no cost, isn't a drug, isn't illegal, requires
no effort: just some popcorn, a few nanovirus chapters (which
you seem to always post in a group of 2 or more) and a coke.
I, myself, would like to thank you for the enjoyment and
escape your work gives, the effort you put into it and give so
freely. If you have not seen my earlier post about it, I am
sorry, it has been awhile, but I, at least, thank you for your
stories.
As for the assholes causing you to curb your work; I hope
they do not ruin it for all by causing someone to stop posting
because these buttheads are twits of the highest order.
I cannot ask that you do not stop writing and posting
because if it gives you no more pleasure to work for your
audience then you shouldn't continue. I would think that
writing is like any other art: the artist must love their work
or else it's work and we all have enough work in our lives
that we don't need to simply plod along at something more for
no good reason.
I sincerely hope you do NOT stop writing, I hope the
maggot sucking ungrateful do NOT cause you to lose your
enjoyment of creating the stories you do; but I would rather
you stop than to become unhappy - especially after you have
given so much to us.
So be well and take care and do what makes you happy. :)
cmsix
"Denny Wheeler" <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote in message
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:46:49 GMT, "cmsix" <cm...@cmsix.com> wrote:
>
>>What was that offence line in your sig Denny's.
>
> You mean this?
Yes, thank you. That's the one I was thinking of.
Chess
cmsix
"FranzKafka79" <franzk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Now see there, if you'd said that earlier I wouldn't have got my
panties in a wad.
cmsix
Mike T.
>"Mike T." wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:42:50 GMT, Laura <lauraly...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Hmmm?
>>
>> No, but I think it's showing symptoms of war fatigue. Two serials, one
>> by cmsix and one by Lazlo Zalezac, seem more interested in warfare
>> than sex. Do young men in the US today masturbate while looking at
>> copies of Jane's Defence Weekly?
>
>And then there's Katz's King Jakob.
And I think it's a damn fine historical romance, with a very
believable background. The war intrudes, but it has more to do with
sociology than with military hardware.
Mike T.
Mike T.
>
>"Mike T." <mi...@invalid.net> wrote in message
>news:053ci0h0mk4rm3bsl...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:42:50 GMT, Laura <lauraly...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Hmmm?
>>
>> No, but I think it's showing symptoms of war fatigue. Two serials,
>> one
>> by cmsix and one by Lazlo Zalezac, seem more interested in warfare
>> than sex. Do young men in the US today masturbate while looking at
>> copies of Jane's Defence Weekly?
>>
>> Mike T.
>
>Are you saying that we shouldn't write anything that young men can't
>use for masturbatory inspiration? I might be insulted if I think about
>it a little more. Naw, I'm not.
>
>If you don't like what you're seeing on ASSM, open a text editor and
>get started.
Thanks, but my writing skills are not on a par with yours. When they
are, I'll give it a shot. Could be a while.
Mike T.
cmsix
"Silverman" <silv...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for that, maybe all I needed to do all along was say, "Hey!"
and stamp my feet.
cmsix
Frank McCoy
Most people rarely write to authors, even if the authors are their
favorite ones.
With that in mind, if somebody sends ME a note titled, "I rarely write
to authors, but ..." then *I* consider it a note of distinction that
they'd bother to write to ME, when with a million other stories out
there, they weren't moved enough to write. AND, I'm almost certain
that's what most of them meant: The letter as a compliment that I got
them interested (or even peeved) enough to write me.
I have several thousand people out there who have told me they read
every story I post ... But not one of those people writes me back on
every story. In fact, not one writes me back on one story in ten.
Why should they? If they've already told me they read EVERY story,
and enjoy all of them, why should they ass-u-me that I would be
asshole enough to expect them to repeat that with every story I post?
Telling me once *should* be enough.
I'm supposed to remember that they've already told me once that
they're waiting with bated breath for each story ... and not expect
them to repeat themselves on each one, or stop posting where they
read, just because I haven't heard from them for the last 20 stories
or so.
Of course, *I* post to ASSM and ASS (along with the incest groups)
just because I *know* there are people out there who like to read my
stories ... not to get myself all puffed up with compliments, or even
because I think I'm that great a writer. I'm not. I'm a mediocre to
fair writer who just happens to have a fairly loyal group of readers
because they like the type of stories I write, and I'm good enough of
a writer that my prose doesn't irritate.
Oh, I could get LOTS of email if I posted a note to alt.sex.stories
that I'd no longer be posting there, for one reason or another.
People begging me to stay and keep posting. As it is, I get
occasional email asking me if I'm still posting, as I haven't been
doing my share lately.
I'm trying to get up a full set of thirty or so, so I can post
one-per-day for a month, along with reposts, like I did the last time.
It's easier that way to do so and keep my website up-to-date.
--
_____
/ ' / ™
,-/-, __ __. ____ /_
(_/ / (_(_/|_/ / <_/ <_
cmsix
"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message
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I'm almost sure that is what they mean when they come to me too, but
I'm sure that I don't think it is good enough.
> The letter as a compliment that I got
> them interested (or even peeved) enough to write me.
>
> I have several thousand people out there who have told me they read
> every story I post ... But not one of those people writes me back on
> every story. In fact, not one writes me back on one story in ten.
>
> Why should they? If they've already told me they read EVERY story,
> and enjoy all of them, why should they ass-u-me that I would be
> asshole enough to expect them to repeat that with every story I
> post?
>
> Telling me once *should* be enough.
> I'm supposed to remember that they've already told me once that
> they're waiting with bated breath for each story ... and not expect
> them to repeat themselves on each one, or stop posting where they
> read, just because I haven't heard from them for the last 20 stories
> or so.
I don't expect a note for every chapter or even every story either,
and from ASSM readers, I don't expect any. That's why I don't expect
to post there any longer after I get the rest of "NanoVirus" up. If
they want to read more of my work, they can do a little of their own
and find it elsewhere. Maybe they'll email me and ask.
>
> Of course, *I* post to ASSM and ASS (along with the incest groups)
> just because I *know* there are people out there who like to read my
> stories ... not to get myself all puffed up with compliments, or
> even
> because I think I'm that great a writer. I'm not. I'm a mediocre
> to
> fair writer who just happens to have a fairly loyal group of readers
> because they like the type of stories I write, and I'm good enough
> of
> a writer that my prose doesn't irritate.
I don't consider myself a good writer either, but that doesn't mean
I'm selfless enough to fondle the keyboard for hours and then not get
an email to even mention it.
>
> Oh, I could get LOTS of email if I posted a note to alt.sex.stories
> that I'd no longer be posting there, for one reason or another.
> People begging me to stay and keep posting. As it is, I get
> occasional email asking me if I'm still posting, as I haven't been
> doing my share lately.
I wouldn't do that either, I'm not a fan of the grand exit. I
mentioned it here because this is a place I feel like I can come and
bitch about things I don't like and be fairly likely to have someone
else that doesn't like it either, speak up.
I admire your generous nature and your willingness to share your work
without reservation. I don't have that. If they don't have the common
courtesy to say thanks now and again, I'm just enough of an asshole
myself to stop.
I want to say that I'm not bitching at those that did send me a
thanks. If any of the six of you read this, I'd like to thank you
again for reading my work and for admitting it to me. If you ever feel
inclined to read something of mine again and can't find it, just let
me know and I'll make sure you can.
>
> I'm trying to get up a full set of thirty or so, so I can post
> one-per-day for a month, along with reposts, like I did the last
> time.
>
> It's easier that way to do so and keep my website up-to-date.
Again, I congratulate you for your generous spirit. Maybe I'll have
one too, in the next life; then again I might come back as a bunny.
cmsix
>
> --
> _____
> / ' / T
JustMe
> As far as I'm concerned, the readership at ASSM is substandard.
> They are largely unappreciative assholes.
Damnit, you've sent me off into a guilt trip !! I'm one of those readers
who enjoys reading stories, by a number of different authors, and only
very rarely think of sending feedback. I guess this is partly because I
tend to presume that most authors have bulging in-boxes, and that my note
of appreciation would - as likely as not- get deleted unread, or even
filed amongst the spam!!
Okay, to ALL authors and posters:- you have provided me with many hours of
enjoyment with stories, with opinions and with diverse comments on many
subjects. I appreciate all that you do even if I don't always agree with
what is said.
Thank you one and all.
I doubt if I'll mend my ways, but I will continue to enjoy and appreciate
all that is posted.
Come to think of it, about the only authors I ever did write to were We3 -
and they appear to have vanished into cyberspace. But hey, I wrote
something nice, so don't blame ME for their disappearance !!
I wonder if Denny is keeping them locked up somewhere!!!
JM
katzmarek
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:45:36 -0400, suzee <suz...@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Mike T." wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:42:50 GMT, Laura <lauraly...@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hmmm?
>>>
>>>No, but I think it's showing symptoms of war fatigue. Two serials, one
>>>by cmsix and one by Lazlo Zalezac, seem more interested in warfare
>>>than sex. Do young men in the US today masturbate while looking at
>>>copies of Jane's Defence Weekly?
>>
>>And then there's Katz's King Jakob.
>
>
> And I think it's a damn fine historical romance, with a very
> believable background. The war intrudes, but it has more to do with
> sociology than with military hardware.
>
> Mike T.
What a damned fine and generous thing to say. Ta!
I wanted to create something out of a few related fields of interest and
find out what happens. Michael Field's 'Mau, Samoa's struggle against
New Zealand's oppression' was the original catalyst. It's a fascinating
read. An old Samoan work colleague turned out to have an extraordinary
knowledge of pre-European Samoan history. He was an ex-Catholic priest,
had even met the Pope, then decided that the Samoan people had been
bullshitted to for 150 years.
Actually the German Protectorate of Samoa was astoundingly well-governed
by the standards of the day. Its two German Governors, Dr. Solf and then
a Dr Schultz, became Samoan speakers, worked through the traditional
decision-making process and were highly thought of. German rule was
benign and enlightened, however New Zealand Governors were absolute
shockers for the first 30 years and ruined this country's reputation in
the islands for decades.
'King Jakob' is utter fiction, of course. I 'know' what happened in
reality but I'm not saying until the end. :) I have a ton of resources
here, but I've only used them sporadically. I don't want to turn it into
a documentary, or pack it so full of facts to turn folks off. Thus, all
my characters, except von Spee (who is only incidental anyway) are
creations. (Though 'Hoffmann' is based very broadly on one 'Wilhelm
Hagedorn,' a coconut planter)
KJ is a labour of love and has so far absorbed many, many hours of work.
It has driven me crazy trying to achieve some kind of balance between
historical detail, characterisation, plot, eroticism and period
stylisation. I've savaged it with the editorial knife, juxtaposed this
and that and fretted over whether a paragraph works, is in context, is
well-written.
But hell, one kind word from a reader just about makes it worthwhile.:)
Don
Altan
> Some of the few emails I did receive from ASSM readers pissed me off
> more than not getting one, and it wasn't the ones that were critical.
> It was the ones that start out. "I rarely send feedback or email to
> authors of stories in ASSM" or some such. Sending something like that
> is guaranteed to make me consider them an asshole until proven
> different.
I just received a feedback email on my story "The Girl on the
Train" through the ASSTR form system. Yesterday, someone had
read it and sent me an email with positive comments, as well as
two typos she noticed. Fixing those, uploading, and now it is
in the "new updates" on ASSTR, which seems to get a bunch of
readers.
Anyway, this particular email consisted of a single word only:
"Incredible." Now, I'm the first to appreciate email, and in
particular positive ones. I get little enough of it (positive
feedback, I mean, not email). But I'm at a loss of how to interpret
this comment. I mean, I'm proud of this story, it is about as good
as I can do. But I also know that my best is not THAT great.
Did I just happen to hit a nerve with this particular reader?
Did I catch him or her in just the right mood? Or does he/she
respond like this to every halfway decent story?
On the one hand, I can see where cmsix is coming from with his
comments about reader feedback. On the other hand, responding
with just a single exclamation doesn't really feel very useful.
If the person who actually wrote this feedback (it was anonymous)
is reading ASSD, please don't misunderstand me. I do appreciate
the response, and I do keep them, one folder for each story.
But I'm not upset with the hopefully scores of readers who read
my stories without feeling the need to respond. I know it is not
easy to write a meaningful, interesting response--specially
since most readers are not writers in the first place.
I know, I'm rambling. I'll shut up now.
A.
------------------------------
http://www.asstr.org/~altan/
------------------------------
Hecate
wrote:
> I know from many many years of operating a BBS before the
>internet took over fidonet and itcnet and caused their great
>decline / disconnection that most people that use public
>"free" things are very un-appreciative in word or deed.
>
> It is as if you spend your time, effort, work, and in
>some cases money (bbs' costed money - phone lines, long
>distance to connect to area hubs, etc) for others and they
>come to think of it as "deserved" to them.
>
> Never a word of thanks, no donations, they use it, leave,
>if it's down for a day or so they bitch as if you are their
>employee, call in, read, leave, no thank you, no "hey that was
>great", nothing.
>
There's an interesting philosophical point there. In the UK, we have a
free health service. We also have a health service where, at my local
hospital, on average, 1200 people miss their outpatients appointments
every month. Consequently, there has been much discussion about
making appointments have a small fee on the basis that people don't
appreciate something they haven't had to pay for.
I think the same principle applies with free stories, free sites, and
so forth.
--
Hecate
hec...@newsguy.com
Dogs are Man's Best Friend because
He needs a buddy who's dumber than him
Unicorn
> ASSM. I'm going to post the rest of "NanoVirus" because I think a few
> are reading it. Believe me, I won't bother with anything else.
>
> are largely unappreciative assholes.
>
parthenogenesis
wrote:
I post stories only infrequently. Maybe a couple thousand people read
any one of them, and I get maybe ten or a dozen responses from
readers per story.
Most of the responses are along the lines of "I enjoyed your story;
thanks for writing it." A surprising (to me) number want to know if I
have a second chapter in the offing. A few bitch me out for not doing
it right (most of them seem to want ugly stuff). I have two (count
'em, two), Fans, who are unswervingly effusive in their praise. So it
goes.
A truth is that once a writer turns his work loose in the world, it
doesn't belong to him any more. It belongs to his readers, and
they're going to make of the work what they will. I'm talking a broad
principle here, not just about writers on ASSM and SOL.
Consider some of the classics. Students and scholars have spent
person-centuries analyzing, seeking to identify what informs the
writing, applying Freudian inerpretations, citing allusions, relating
obsure passages to events in the authors' lives at the time they were
writing,and so on--and those authors are dead and gone and unable to
speak for themselves.
If you want to write and publish, write and publish--but don't exepect
anything from your readers. And don't, for God's sake, take it all
personal. Your readers have their own baggage to contend with.
parthenogenesis
partheno...@XXXyahoo.com
http://www.asstr.org/~parthenogenesis/
Jake
beauty in women goes back & forth from Renoir to Twiggy on a regular
basis so why shouldn't stroke stories? Besides, the NanoVirus series
by cmsix is actually a Very Good story in its own right. The JCBiggers
series by Lazlo is a Damned Good story as well! Sometimes I just like
tuck it away & just read for the enjoymen of readin a Good story. I
just hope Both of them keep up the good work!
Uncle Sky<Uncl...@home.alone.invalid> wrote in message news:<20040821005119.948$A...@newsreader.com>...
cmsix
"Unicorn" <Som...@Somewhere.net> wrote in message
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And if youd spend more time telling the authors that, I might think
better of you.
cmsix
>
>
cmsix
cmsix
"Jake" <gjke...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Tesseract
But a natural top would just not feel comfortable as a bottom.
--
Tesseract
Bradley Stoke
It's a fair question.
But I think the answer is "No". However, ASSM is at long-term risk,
for the following reasons:
1. Competition
Once upon a time, ASSM was the best place to go for uncensored sex
fiction. Nowadays, there is competition from all over the Internet,
from the likes of Stories OnLine, Literotica and many others. Many
competitors provide higher quality control, better story presentation
and, in the case of Literotica, a greater volume of new stories.
Indeed, even ASSTR is a competitor of ASSM. The only thing that stops
ASSM dying is that although the proportion it has of the total number
of sex fiction readers (and writers) is dropping all the time, the
overall quantity continues to grow.
2. Stories
A few years ago, there seemed to me to be a higher quality of sex
fiction available on ASSM than there is now. Obviously, this is an
opinion and I'm sure that many people would disagree with me, but
there was a higher proportion of stylistically innovative stories with
genuinely original ideas. At the moment, there is a general samey-ness
about the stuff on ASSM. In fact, it's hardly any different from
Stories OnLine, with a very heavy bias towards mushy romance, American
pontification and Boy's Own Adventure Stories. There's nothing wrong,
in my opinion, about stories set in high schools, post-Apocalyptic
landscapes and Middle American middle-class middle-age ansgt, but the
proportion does seem to be very large. Why should anyone visit ASSM
rather than somewhere else, if one is looking for mainstream sex
fiction?
3. Usenet
Surfing on Usenet is generally not something most people new to the
internet would ever consider. The presentation is poor and the whole
notion of relying on something that resembles a set of e-mails for
fiction is unlikely to appeal to the non-technical surfer. In any
case, it's a bit unreliable in that sometimes posts don't appear, it
relies on issuing a command to download posts and formatting for ASCII
can be a bit fraught for those more used to word-processors.
However, ASSM has one important advantage over other media that will
probably ensure its survival. The various nanny-ware blockers that
prevent people from surfing to certain websites do not apply to
Google. So, the office-bound surfer who fancies reading a bit of smut
in the office will be able to access ASSM through Google groups. And,
as the presentation is so very dull, anyone looking over the
clandestine surfer's shoulder will assume that what's being read can't
be any fun.
So, until the day that Google Groups is filtered by commonly applied
work-based software, ASSM is assured a long and healthy future.
Bradley Stoke
--
www.asstr.org/~Bradley_Stoke
Denny Wheeler
>> Never a word of thanks, no donations, they use it, leave,
>>if it's down for a day or so they bitch as if you are their
>>employee, call in, read, leave, no thank you, no "hey that was
>>great", nothing.
>>
>There's an interesting philosophical point there. In the UK, we have a
>free health service. We also have a health service where, at my local
>hospital, on average, 1200 people miss their outpatients appointments
>every month. Consequently, there has been much discussion about
>making appointments have a small fee on the basis that people don't
>appreciate something they haven't had to pay for.
>
>I think the same principle applies with free stories, free sites, and
>so forth.
Hecate has a point. Many many people consider things to be worth what
they paid. (even when the less expensive item is in fact far
superior)
Denny Wheeler
>Thanks for that, maybe all I needed to do all along was say, "Hey!"
>and stamp my feet.
You can throw all the tantrums you want, Chess.
Harriet Scott
paradise its cohorts like to bully us into thinking it is. You're
absolutely right cmsix. I eventually figured out how to post to assm,
did so and got zero response.
Dying technology, kept alive by a few remaining zealots...
"cmsix" <cm...@cmsix.com> wrote in message news:<mGuVc.9062$Hp5....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>...
> "Denny Wheeler" <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:1qlci05m4tl6cjq8q...@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:21:32 GMT, "cmsix" <cm...@cmsix.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>You won't have to worry about me posting any more "War Stories" on
> >>ASSM. I'm going to post the rest of "NanoVirus" because I think a
> >>few
> >>are reading it. Believe me, I won't bother with anything else.
> >>
> >>As far as I'm concerned, the readership at ASSM is substandard. They
> >>are largely unappreciative assholes.
> >
> > I'm sure Red and Victor as well as John and Argent are--or
> > were--being
> > read. Please do keep posting to ASSM.
> > No, you won't get nearly as much feedback as from SOL--usenet
> > doesn't
> > have feedback forms.
>
> No, I'm not jerking chains or jerking off either. I didn't post "John
> and Argent" though and I'm not planning to. I left an unmunged email
> address at the top and bottom of each chapter and put my real unmunged
> email address in so they could just click on reply to sender.
>
> If that's too hard for them, I'm sorry. It's my opinion that they'll
> never get any better unless we wobble the job.
>
> Then again, it's entirely possible that no one is reading my stuff, in
> which case I needn't have bothered at all.
>
> cmsix
>
> >
> > (or are you jerking chains again?)
> > -Denny-
> > the curmudgeonly editor
> > --
> > "A tree is a tree - how many more do you need to look at?"
> > Ronald Reagan (When he was Governor of California)
Bradley Stoke
In general, I agree with you. The Usenet seems archaic and even
anachronistic in this age of XML, broadband and Java apps. However, I
wouldn't write it off altogether, even if it is one of the least
satisfactory surfing experiences on the Internet. Its very faults are
in some ways also its strengths.
Here are a few reasons why Usenet's not such a bad thing:
1. Censorship
As the newsgroups, with few exceptions, are unmoderated, there is no
censorship. Perhaps when one sees all the pictures of naked children,
some of the more unpleasant postings on ASS, and the tedious quarrels
all over the place, you might think a bit more censorship wouldn't be
out of order. However, in a world of repressive governments
(including, more and more, the American one), a bit of freedom of
expression must be a good thing.
2. Compatibility
There can't be an operating system in the world, even back to good old
DOS, that can't handle 7-bit ASCII. Although this limitation does not
lend itself to an enthralling reading experience, it does mean that
the postings can be read by anyone. You don't even need a browser to
view the Usenet, ASCII contains no viruses or trojans, and it's a good
fallback in a national crisis.
3. Google
Thanks to Google Groups, it is about the most reliable place to surf
for ASCII rendered smut that isn't filtered by the various nannyware
programs out there. If I want to read a Harriet Scott story on a
customer's site, I can do so through Google Groups, but not on your
website which is filtered (as a result of it being in the notorious
asstr.org domain).
Although ASSD is full of contributors who enthuse about the
limitations of the form, stating, for instance, that they'd rather
read a story in default fonts like Arial or Courier, than any fancy
fonts like Times New Roman or Garamond, this community of true
enthusiasts is probably not very large. Not surprisingly, happy in its
environment, the Usenet Luddite is keen to celebrate its glory, but
such an animal would be like a fish out of water in an environment
where fiercer, less kind, beasties might wander.
However, easy though it is to mock or deride such enthusiasts, I am
actually very grateful to such people in keeping the Usenet going and
ensuring its survival in an increasingly hostile world. It is such
dedication, indeed, that has brought to us all the wonders of the
World Wide Web.
You might not enjoy a conversation with a linux-head about awk, SMS or
HTTP, but it's thanks to such people that the world is now a better
and altogether happier place.
Bradley Stoke
--
www.asstr.org/~Bradley_Stoke
Tim Merrigan
> Harriet
>
>
> In general, I agree with you. The Usenet seems archaic and even
> anachronistic in this age of XML, broadband and Java apps. However, I
> wouldn't write it off altogether, even if it is one of the least
> satisfactory surfing experiences on the Internet. Its very faults are
> in some ways also its strengths.
>
> Here are a few reasons why Usenet's not such a bad thing:
>
> 1. Censorship
>
> As the newsgroups, with few exceptions, are unmoderated, there is no
> censorship. Perhaps when one sees all the pictures of naked children,
> some of the more unpleasant postings on ASS, and the tedious quarrels
> all over the place, you might think a bit more censorship wouldn't be
> out of order. However, in a world of repressive governments
> (including, more and more, the American one), a bit of freedom of
> expression must be a good thing.
I would add that, while servers may or may not carry a particular group,
newsgroups, once formed, particularly alt. groups, seem to go on
forever, whereas e-lists can be, and regularly are, shut down, and their
members' user IDs revoked, at the whim of the owners of their service
providers with no warning and no reason given. If Yahoo or MSN shuts
down a group, it's gone. If your news server stops carrying a NG with a
little searching you can find another that still carries it.
>
> Bradley Stoke
> --
> www.asstr.org/~Bradley_Stoke
--
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America,
and to the republic which it established, one nation, from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
Feel free to use the above variant pledge in your own postings.
Tim Merrigan
Yahoo Messenger: Tim_Merrigan_54
AIM: tppm1
suzee
> 3. Google
>
> Thanks to Google Groups, it is about the most reliable place to surf
> for ASCII rendered smut that isn't filtered by the various nannyware
> programs out there. If I want to read a Harriet Scott story on a
> customer's site, I can do so through Google Groups, but not on your
> website which is filtered (as a result of it being in the notorious
> asstr.org domain).
I found it surprising when using our library's `restricted access'
computers, that I could still get the alt.sex newsgroups through Google.
I didn't tell anyone though...
suzee
Tesseract
Usenet groups are independent of any web site or service provider so
have a life of their own. This is good, not only to combat censorship,
but also in case a operator looses interest. It also provides
unrestricted access.
Because it is so low tech it provides easy access to the internet for
many people. If you can master email, you can master usenet. You don't
need to know html. You don't need high bandwith to read it (except for
the binary groups). It's informal enough that you don't worry about
providing a 1 or 2 word response.
This provides an easy way to ask questions, which I've done several
times on technical groups. It's fast. The questions can be seen by a
large number of people. And they can be answered with minimum effort.
It also builds a sense of community. That's why I'm here. It's a fun
place to hang out. Any news group with regular participants can get
that sense of community. You can get a sense of that by the number of
Off Topic posts. Some off topic questions would be out of place if
asked by strangers but among the regulars it is the social lubrication
that allows the group to function.
This would not happen if everything has to be a formal web page or if
it depended on the good graces of a web site operator.
--
Tesseract
NoNamePoster
Harriet Scott wrote:
> Hallelujah. Someone else saying that usenet isn't the heavenly
> paradise its cohorts like to bully us into thinking it is. You're
> absolutely right cmsix. I eventually figured out how to post to assm,
> did so and got zero response.
>
> Dying technology, kept alive by a few remaining zealots...
Well, unless you posted under a different name, I can see nothing in there to respond to!!! Of course,
posting do appear to expire very quickly!!!
FranzKafka79
> "FranzKafka79" <franzk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46d2551e.04082...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > I would say, that you are the Tom Clancy of ASSM.
>
> Now see there, if you'd said that earlier I wouldn't have got my
> panties in a wad.
>
> cmsix
>
I hope that I understood it correctly and you will continue.
Have a nice day.
FranzKafka79
Harriet Scott
> Harriet Scott wrote:
>
> > Hallelujah. Someone else saying that usenet isn't the heavenly
> > paradise its cohorts like to bully us into thinking it is. You're
> > absolutely right cmsix. I eventually figured out how to post to assm,
> > did so and got zero response.
> >
> > Dying technology, kept alive by a few remaining zealots...
>
> Well, unless you posted under a different name, I can see nothing in there to respond to!!! Of course,
> posting do appear to expire very quickly!!!
>
>
or
Craig
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cmsix
"Craig"
<zeppelin.......nospam........@usasuxors.........nospam....com> wrote
in message news:j9c0d.127725$A8.64662@edtnps89...
>i for one enjoyed nanovirus :)
Thanks. I appreciate that.
cmsix
Just Some Guy
wrote:
>Hmmm?
It probably wouldn't be dying if legitimate submissions were actually
posted. Don't know how many times I've tried to post a story, only to
have it vanish into the ether. Yes I use the {ASSM} subject line. Yes
I use story codes. Yes I use an author name for original material. Yes
I credit the original authors in the case of a repost of someone
else's work. Dunno what the problem is, unless it's the fact that I'm
not a part of the clique.
For instance, a story titled "Linda" or alternately "Linda's Story"
by Lingus was recently reposted in the ASSM group, but the posted
version of the story was only parts of the first 6 chapters, with some
serious formatting errors. I attempted to post a complete version, all
9 chapters with no formatting problems or missing pages, twice. No go
both times.
So, I figure to hell with it. You don't want the complete story? No
skin off my nose. Instead I post things over at ASS, under several
names for fear of being branded a spammer, and let people who actually
want the story wade through the spam for it.
You made the rules. Now it's time to live and die by them. The rest of
us don't have time for the dumb shit.
Just 2 Cents
Just Some Guy
Uncle Sky
If you asked what the problem is instead of making acusations you might
find out. There are several moderators in this group who willingly answer
questions about formatting and story acceptance. You may discover there is
a problem at your end or between you and ASSM that can be fixed.
I am quite sure there is no clique. When I first started posting I didn't
know the people running ASSM and posted stories that many find
objectionable. But they showed up and when I had a problem I recieved
prompt polite help.
Try asking nicely and see what it gets you before you make any charges.
--
Uncle Sky
http://www.asstr.org/files/Authors/uncle_sky
ftp://ftp.asstr.org/pub/Authors/uncle_sky
http://www.geocities.com/uncle_sky2004/index.htm
suzee
Have you read the rules and *emailed* the posts to the correct address
instead of posting them to ASSM via usenet? That may be why they're not
showing up.
suzee
Uther Pendragon
> It probably wouldn't be dying if legitimate submissions were actually
> posted. Don't know how many times I've tried to post a story, only to
> have it vanish into the ether. Yes I use the {ASSM} subject line. Yes
> I use story codes. Yes I use an author name for original material. Yes
> I credit the original authors in the case of a repost of someone
> else's work. Dunno what the problem is, unless it's the fact that I'm
> not a part of the clique.
Well,
1) The LAW -- US law, but it this much is consistent for almost all
countries -- requires that you have the author's permission to repost
before you do so. You might not mind, what is the law to one superior to
humanity as you are? But ASSTR does mind; they are a legally-incorpprated
entiry, and the responsible persons are easy to find.
2) Partially for that and similar reasons, ASSTR requires a genuine
e-mail address.
Your post seems to assume that a post is a repost of someone else's work.
Actually, while reposts occur in ASSM, the main interest is in new works.
(Not that I'm in a position to talk about this, but my reposts are my own
work.) Did you get the author's consent and state that you had it in your
post?
Your post is from an obviously faked addy. Did you put a genuiine return
address on your post to ASSM?
If you omitted one or both those actions, then your prattling about a
"clique" is ridiculous. I've posted stories which went through moderation
on Hecate's OK. Anyone here for very long will tell you that we don't
belong to a clique, certainly not the *same* clique.
Actually, if you give a valid return address and your post is not
self-evidently spam, the moderators who turn you down should write you a
note telling you why.
--
Uther Pendragon FAQs http://www.nyx.net/~anon584c
anon...@nyx.net fiqshn http://www.asstr.org/~Uther_Pendragon
Russell Hoisington
news:dntek0l631vahrubb...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:42:50 GMT, Laura
> <lauraly...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hmmm?
>
>
> It probably wouldn't be dying if legitimate submissions were
> actually posted. Don't know how many times I've tried to post a
> story, only to have it vanish into the ether. Yes I use the {ASSM}
> subject line. Yes I use story codes. Yes I use an author name for
> original material. Yes I credit the original authors in the case
> of a repost of someone else's work. Dunno what the problem is,
> unless it's the fact that I'm not a part of the clique.
>
> For instance, a story titled "Linda" or alternately "Linda's
> Story" by Lingus was recently reposted in the ASSM group, but the
> posted version of the story was only parts of the first 6
> chapters, with some serious formatting errors. I attempted to post
> a complete version, all 9 chapters with no formatting problems or
> missing pages, twice. No go both times.
Oh, I definitely remember that one. You caused quite a stir among the
moderators with it, and the discussion raged for about three days.
One moderator approved it, but I initially rejected it because (1) you
said that you were not the author but you did not state that you had
the original author's permission to repost it, nor did you say that the
author had given blanket permission for its reposting; and (2) the post
exceeded the recommended limit of 5,000 lines.
The final decision was that since it was not clearly a spam repost it
should be approved. I still disagree with that because of the
copyright issues. If you've read any of the threads in ASSD about
stories being stolen from ASSTR and posted on commercial sites, you
should know that some of us take the copyright issues with our stories
VERY seriously. But that is the ruling and I acquiesce to final
decisions, and so I changed my vote to approved. That gave it the
necessary two approvals to move it forward.
That leaves the second problem and it is probably the reason why the
post hasn't appeared: size. Some older NNTP servers will not accept
posts above a given size, hence the limit stated in the FAQ. The size
rule is *not* an arbitrary one; it exists in order to insure that
everyone has an opportunity to see the post.
Posts that are too long are automatically e-mailed by the system to
admin where *one* person (Rey) cuts them to multiple posts *when he has
time*. In addition to having a busy Real Life, Rey has his hands
overflowing with problems in getting the ASSTR hardware/software
improvements up and running at the moment. It took him three weeks to
find and answer one question I sent him last month.
It's possible that Rey hasn't had time to get to it yet. It's also
possible, given the timing, that the upgrades to the servers over the
Labor Day weekend caused your post either to drop from or become lost
in the system when/after it was forwarded. That was a problem when the
servers were moved from Texas to California.
> You made the rules. Now it's time to live and die by them. The
> rest of us don't have time for the dumb shit.
We moderators will always do whatever we can to help someone who asks
for help with a problem.
But I really don't have time to waste on you or any other fool who
mouths off instead of asking if something went wrong, as if you think
y'all are exempt from Murphy's Law. The *only* reason I responded to
your diatribe was to possibly save someone else difficulties caused by
not reading the FAQ. Those rules are not arbitrary; they are based on
(1) law and (2) limitations of the ASSTR moderation system and the NNTP
system in general. They are there to try to eliminate the very
difficulties you caused by not following them.
Any time there is a variation in line length (requirements are designed
to accommodate the maximum number of newsreaders including some very
old, primitive ones), formatting (html is a primary component of spam
and is automatically stripped out of posts before any human in the
moderation system sees them), or size (covered above) from the rather
generous limits in the FAQ, either an automatic system or a manual
system gets involved. And each time that happens the probability of
something going wrong grows a little higher.
-- Russ
Rey del Sexo
wrote:
>Just Some Guy <noi...@thinkso.com> wrote:
>
>> It probably wouldn't be dying if legitimate submissions were actually
>> posted. Don't know how many times I've tried to post a story, only to
>> have it vanish into the ether. Yes I use the {ASSM} subject line. Yes
>...
>Your post is from an obviously faked addy. Did you put a genuiine return
>address on your post to ASSM?
>
>If you omitted one or both those actions, then your prattling about a
>"clique" is ridiculous. I've posted stories which went through moderation
>on Hecate's OK. Anyone here for very long will tell you that we don't
>belong to a clique, certainly not the *same* clique.
>
>Actually, if you give a valid return address and your post is not
>self-evidently spam, the moderators who turn you down should write you a
>note telling you why.
It is my belief that, whenever possible, if the moderation
team rejects a message, they contact the poster. Obviously if no
valid email address is given, they have no way of contacting the
poster.
At the request of the moderators, I'll be adding some features
to the moderation system to make it even quicker and easier for
moderators to contact posters (via email) about problematic posts.
If your posts truly are getting lost somewhere, it would be
helpful for you to email us when you post a story so we can ensure it
actually arrives and isn't getting eaten by our spam filter. If you
are posting submissions directly to the newsgroup, it's quite possible
your news server isn't properly forwarding the message on to the story
submission address. Because this problem is beyond the poster or
ASSTR's control, the recommended method for submitting a story to ASSM
is to email it directly to the story submit email address.
- Rey del Sexo
Denny Wheeler
Hey, I'm a longtime moderator, and I like to shoot off my mouth--so
I'll jump in too.
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:12:32 GMT, Russell Hoisington
<wri...@thekeyboard.com> wrote:
>Just Some Guy <noi...@thinkso.com> wrote in
>news:dntek0l631vahrubb...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:42:50 GMT, Laura
>> <lauraly...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hmmm?
>>
>>
>> It probably wouldn't be dying if legitimate submissions were
>> actually posted. Don't know how many times I've tried to post a
>> story, only to have it vanish into the ether. Yes I use the {ASSM}
>> subject line. Yes I use story codes. Yes I use an author name for
>> original material. Yes I credit the original authors in the case
>> of a repost of someone else's work. Dunno what the problem is,
>> unless it's the fact that I'm not a part of the clique.
>>
>> For instance, a story titled "Linda" or alternately "Linda's
>> Story" by Lingus was recently reposted in the ASSM group, but the
>> posted version of the story was only parts of the first 6
>> chapters, with some serious formatting errors. I attempted to post
>> a complete version, all 9 chapters with no formatting problems or
>> missing pages, twice. No go both times.
Firstly, I'll mention that Laura Lynn Davis seems to have issues
with/about ASSM, so I'd not take her remarks at face value.
But, to address some things. Story codes are NOT required. (Mat
Twassell, frex, never uses them). The {ASSM} flag isn't required (the
moderating software puts it in when it's not present). A valid--or
valid-looking--poster's email address IS required (see the FAQ).
Munged is okay. But any of the moderators might flag a post for
holding and send an email to an invalid-looking poster address; if
that email bounces, the post WILL be rejected. If there's no poster
email address, or one that's obviously fake (nob...@nothere.com is
typical), the post will be rejected.
If the post shows up with hopeless formatting, like lots of 'special'
or high-ascii characters, or if it's in a format we can't decipher
(say, WordPerfect's native binary format), we'll flag it and send an
email to the poster requesting a re-send, and describing the problem.
Often we make suggestions as how to most easily overcome the problem.
>Oh, I definitely remember that one. You caused quite a stir among the
>moderators with it, and the discussion raged for about three days.
>
>One moderator approved it, but I initially rejected it because (1) you
>said that you were not the author but you did not state that you had
>the original author's permission to repost it, nor did you say that the
>author had given blanket permission for its reposting; and (2) the post
>exceeded the recommended limit of 5,000 lines.
>
>The final decision was that since it was not clearly a spam repost it
>should be approved. I still disagree with that because of the
>copyright issues. If you've read any of the threads in ASSD about
>stories being stolen from ASSTR and posted on commercial sites, you
>should know that some of us take the copyright issues with our stories
>VERY seriously. But that is the ruling and I acquiesce to final
>decisions, and so I changed my vote to approved. That gave it the
>necessary two approvals to move it forward.
I need to address the copyright issue. Again. Rey has, here. I
have, here. But once again, it's jumped up.
Our policy in the moderation center is--and pretty well MUST be--that
the poster has obtained permission for the (re)post. The reasons have
been explained, and I don't care to take the time again.
We do have a list of sites/posters on a blacklist--they are all known
to disregard copyright. (No, not a one of them is an ASSD poster, save
that perhaps some of the sites spam here)
>That leaves the second problem and it is probably the reason why the
>post hasn't appeared: size. Some older NNTP servers will not accept
>posts above a given size, hence the limit stated in the FAQ. The size
>rule is *not* an arbitrary one; it exists in order to insure that
>everyone has an opportunity to see the post.
>
>Posts that are too long are automatically e-mailed by the system to
>admin where *one* person (Rey) cuts them to multiple posts *when he has
>time*. In addition to having a busy Real Life, Rey has his hands
>overflowing with problems in getting the ASSTR hardware/software
>improvements up and running at the moment. It took him three weeks to
>find and answer one question I sent him last month.
>
>It's possible that Rey hasn't had time to get to it yet. It's also
>possible, given the timing, that the upgrades to the servers over the
>Labor Day weekend caused your post either to drop from or become lost
>in the system when/after it was forwarded. That was a problem when the
>servers were moved from Texas to California.
Russ is quite right here. May well simply be 'Rey hasn't had time
yet'. May not.
>> You made the rules. Now it's time to live and die by them. The
>> rest of us don't have time for the dumb shit.
>
>We moderators will always do whatever we can to help someone who asks
>for help with a problem.
>
>But I really don't have time to waste on you or any other fool who
>mouths off instead of asking if something went wrong, as if you think
>y'all are exempt from Murphy's Law. The *only* reason I responded to
>your diatribe was to possibly save someone else difficulties caused by
>not reading the FAQ. Those rules are not arbitrary; they are based on
>(1) law and (2) limitations of the ASSTR moderation system and the NNTP
>system in general. They are there to try to eliminate the very
>difficulties you caused by not following them.
Well said, Russ. If someone can't be bothered to read the ASSM FAQ
(http://assm.asstr.org/assm/faq.html ) and then gets all pissy about
OUR needing to play by the rules, and that "the rest of us don't have
time" (more on this anon), then that person can expect very damn
little help or respect.
Now. To this: "The rest of us don't have time for the dumb shit."
I don't know if this was "Just Some Guy" or Laura Davis--and I don't
really give a tinker's dam. What I do know is that whoever said this
isn't doing anything to help. Rui--who, I suspect, may not be well,
and he's getting all the Good Thoughts I can muster--, Gary J, Rey,
Eli, Hecate, Russ, IceAltar, M.T.Head, Apuleius, all give unsparingly
of THEIR OWN time. (I give it a bit sparingly of late. *snort*) And
Lazeez, like Rey, has given not only time, but a lot of his own money
to provide a home for the fiction all here want to read (and many to
write)--but jerks have to come along and bitch about something they
get for free.
"don't have time for the dumb shit"??
Then GO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO PLAY, ASSHOLE.
Like maybe the local swing set or teeter-totter. Those of us who DO
have time for the dumb shit don't need you or anyone like you. The
regular readers of ASS, ASSD, and ASSM are generally aware that
somebody better have time for the dumb shit, or there will be only the
spam in ASS. There won't BE ASSTR, or ASSM, or StoriesOnline. (and
without them, there probably wouldn't be a Ruthie's Club, either; and
don't you for a minute believe that anyone's getting rich off of that
endeavor. They're doing it because they want to; yes, they're
charging for memberships. Yes, they're trying to make a profit. I
hope to hell they are so doing. But they are doing a helluva lot of
the dumb shit, too.)
So, those of you who haven't time for the dumb shit: thank your lucky
stars that some of us do. For if we didn't, the world would be a far
poorer place. I say it that way because in any field of
interest/effort, NOTHING will happen unless some people have time for
the dumb shit.
--
denny
"Yes, I have time for the dumb shit."
suzee
She simply asked where the posts were...
[snippety]
> I don't know if this was "Just Some Guy" or Laura Davis--and I don't
> really give a tinker's dam.
Just Some Guy is the one who seems to be bent all out of shape because
his stories, and reposts of other's stories, didn't get posted. Yes, he
needs to play by the rules because that's the only way they will get
posted.
suzee
Just Some Guy
<wri...@thekeyboard.com> wrote:
>But I really don't have time to waste on you or any other fool who
>mouths off instead of asking if something went wrong, as if you think
>y'all are exempt from Murphy's Law. The *only* reason I responded to
>your diatribe was to possibly save someone else difficulties caused by
>not reading the FAQ. Those rules are not arbitrary; they are based on
>(1) law and (2) limitations of the ASSTR moderation system and the NNTP
>system in general. They are there to try to eliminate the very
>difficulties you caused by not following them.
And thus the newsgroup dies. Your rules, your result. No problem. I
really don't care. Just quit bitching about the fact that the group is
dying.
As far as the 5000 line limit is concerned, you really need to at
least move into the 20th century. ASS doesn't seem to have a problem
with posts over that limit. True, you also have all the spam to wade
through, but as I said before; anyone who really wants the story will
go there to get it.
Ok, you have rules for your moderated group. I was trying to help out
when I saw something wrong that I was in a position to do so. Believe
me when I say I won't make that mistake again.
cmsix
"Just Some Guy" <noi...@thinkso.com> wrote in message
news:319sk097958t1559p...@4ax.com...
Rumors of ASSM's demise have been greatly exaggerated. I apologize for
my part in spreading them. I'm sorry that you don't like my rules,
we'll try to muddle through without you.
cmsix
Kelli Halliburton
> As far as the 5000 line limit is concerned, you really need to at
> least move into the 20th century. ASS doesn't seem to have a problem
> with posts over that limit. True, you also have all the spam to wade
> through, but as I said before; anyone who really wants the story will
> go there to get it.
ASS? You thing ASS is a monolithic entity? No, it's not ASS, insofar as
there is any such thing, that has the problem. It's the serve4rs that
CARRY it. Some of them count lines, and refuse to store, much less
transfer, articles with more than 5000 lines.
Your server is fine. You get to see all of them.
Some people use servers that are NOT so well-built, have these
limitations, and your story WON'T be visible on ASS on those servers'
feeds.
Got it?
Uncle Sky
BRAVO! You guys have said what U said way back at the start of this thread
and more. But you say it much better and with the authority of being mod's.
Denny Wheeler
<kell...@crosswinds.not.invalid> wrote:
(to Just Some Guy)
>Got it?
Kelli, I don't think there's a chance in hell that JSG gets it. (for
many, many values of 'it')
-denny-
--
Yes, I have time for the dumb shit.
Denny Wheeler
<noi...@thinkso.com> wrote:
>And thus the newsgroup dies. Your rules, your result. No problem. I
>really don't care. Just quit bitching about the fact that the group is
>dying.
I don't recall Russ bitching about--or saying in any way--that ASSM
was dying. I once again remark on how much you're doing to help.
The rules for ASSM have been in place for a long time. And, as Kelli
points out, the restrictions have more to do with the various news
servers which carry Usenet than anything else. Though it's also worth
mentioning that there are some still widely used newsreader programs
which can't cope with posts over a certain size.
You've had it explained to you why that huge repost hasn't shown up.
Have you gotten up the gumption to re-send it, in smaller, more
manageable chunks, or is that part of the dumb shit you haven't time
for?
-denny-
--
Yes, I have time for the dumb shit.
Uther Pendragon
bradle...@hushmail.com (Bradley Stoke) wrote:
> 2. Compatibility
>
> There can't be an operating system in the world, even back to
> good old
*** > DOS,
> that can't handle 7-bit ASCII. Although this limitation does
> not lend itself to an enthralling reading experience, it does mean
> that the postings can be read by anyone. You don't even need a
> browser to view the Usenet, ASCII contains no viruses or trojans,
> and it's a good fallback in a national crisis.
Hey!
DOS isn't all that old. There are older OSs still in use. UNIX
springs to mind.
Uther Pendragon
> And thus the newsgroup dies. Your rules, your result. No problem. I
> really don't care. Just quit bitching about the fact that the group is
> dying.
Um. One person, noting a short-term hiatus in posts, asked if the NG were
dying.
> As far as the 5000 line limit is concerned, you really need to at
> least move into the 20th century. ASS doesn't seem to have a problem
> with posts over that limit.
Newsreaders have problems with posts over that limit. My newsreader has
problems with some posts considerably under that limit. You can post any
crap on ASS you want, it's unmoderated. That doesn't mean that the people
can necessarily read it.
What we have here is a reposter of other people's work, apparently
without permission, who can't read the FAQ and then bitches about some
mythical "clique" 'cause he doesn't know what he's doing.
The Helmsman
>
> So, those of you who haven't time for the dumb shit: thank your lucky
> stars that some of us do. For if we didn't, the world would be a far
> poorer place. I say it that way because in any field of interest/effort,
> NOTHING will happen unless some people have time for the dumb shit.
Well said, Mr Wheeler.
I must point out that there seems to have been a long time agreement that
if a poster to ASSM doesn't use a valid email address, at least one or
more of the moderators or members of ASS* must be able to get in touch
with the poster when they need to.
IOW, If you aqin't gonna play by all the rules, you at least have to be
known--and available for contact.
As for dealing with the 'dumb shit', A culture, any culture that has
established itself will have what somebody will view as 'dumb shit' rules
and conventions. If you don't care for them, you find enough
like minded people and form your own culture, with your own 'logical and
well designed rules'. Then, *YOU* can sit back and get to deal with some
ego-centric person who feels that you *MUST* change to suit them.
Finally, on the issue of cliques in ASSD and ASSM... There's only one
officially recognized clique here that I know of. The Big Hopper Cllique.
It has nothing to do with posting stories. Quite the opposite in
fact. It's a tongue-in-cheek way of recognizing those writers who for
whatever reasons... Manage to find ways to collect their own unfinished
works.
Elf Sternberg, during his wanderings, managed to find out that there
might be an actual medical condition that leads to this action. LDVS, or
Leonardo DaVince' Syndrome.
A cure is still being sought.
Oh, Denny, Thanks for being one of those with time for the 'dumb shit'.
I'm a better writer because of it.
Thanks.
Denny Wheeler
<nulla...@nullaol.commit> wrote:
>Oh, Denny, Thanks for being one of those with time for the 'dumb shit'.
>I'm a better writer because of it.
Once again, thanks for the kind words.
Hm. You mentioned the Big Hoppers.
Maybe it's time to poll the hopper contents again.
-denny-
--
Yes, I have time for the dumb shit.
Jack C Lipton
> DOS isn't all that old. There are older OSs
> still in use. UNIX springs to mind.
CP/M-80.
Exec-8 (OK, OS-1100... uhhh... OS-2200).
I think there are still some TOPS-20 systems out
there but they're likely to be running on top of
SIMH...
Darn, I think CP-V is completely dead by now.
--
Jack C Lipton | cupasoup at pele dot cx | http://www.asstr.org/~CupaSoup/
"While life is too short to be taken seriously, it also lasts
for far too long to spend it with a stick up your ass." - me
cmsix
"Uther Pendragon" <anon...@nyx.net> wrote in message
news:73495915...@irys.nyx.net...
>
> bradle...@hushmail.com (Bradley Stoke) wrote:
>
> > 2. Compatibility
> >
> > There can't be an operating system in the world, even back to
> > good old
> *** > DOS,
> > that can't handle 7-bit ASCII. Although this limitation does
> > not lend itself to an enthralling reading experience, it does mean
> > that the postings can be read by anyone. You don't even need a
> > browser to view the Usenet, ASCII contains no viruses or trojans,
> > and it's a good fallback in a national crisis.
>
> Hey!
>
> DOS isn't all that old. There are older OSs still in use. UNIX
> springs to mind.
And no matter what they say, DOS is still the "starter engine" for
Windows.
cmsix
Kelli Halliburton
> And no matter what they say, DOS is still the "starter engine" for
> Windows.
Not for the NT variants, it isn't. They use a little thing called NTLDR to
boot with.
Kelli Halliburton
> Uther Pendragon wrote:
>> DOS isn't all that old. There are older OSs
>> still in use. UNIX springs to mind.
>
> CP/M-80.
>
> Exec-8 (OK, OS-1100... uhhh... OS-2200).
>
> I think there are still some TOPS-20 systems out
> there but they're likely to be running on top of
> SIMH...
>
> Darn, I think CP-V is completely dead by now.
How about a little CTSS?
I mean, if you're going to reach back, why not REALLY reach back, to the
granddaddy of all operating systems.
cmsix
"Kelli Halliburton" <kell...@crosswinds.not.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.21...@crosswinds.not.invalid...
I knew somone would call me out on it.
I guess I could make myself more nearly correct by saying that I was
talking about Windows and not Windows New Technology. I won't though,
I'll just say that you're right of course.
cmsix
I'm glad that Denny's has time for the dumb shit. Lazy bastard that I
am, most of the time I don't do it even if I have plenty of time. As
Richard Pryor would say, "That's why I'm in the position I'm in
today."
Stasya T. Canine
>
> Maybe it's time to poll the hopper contents again. -denny-
hopper=100 rem approximation valid for hopper currently in use
while hopper >=2
hopper=hopper^hopper
wend
You were saying?
Jack C Lipton
Actually, AFAIK, CTSS on the 7090 used a sixbit
code known as BCDIC, which could only cope with
uppercase. While transcoding to/from ASCII for
use w/ teletypes was implicit...
I don't think anybody has bothered to implement
the 7090 instruction set (as modified by MIT for
CTSS) for SIMH so there's no place to emulate the
system.
CTSS behavior, BTW, was one of the major influences
in the design of CP/CMS (what later became VM; read
Melinda Varian's "VM and the VM Community..." if
interested) but that took the direction of EBCDIC
rather than ASCII.
The real problem is that when you go back far enough
(even to the PDP-10 or PDP-8, both of which I've
played with) upper case was de rigeur. Mixed case
came w/ Unix due to some Model 37 Teletypes that
were probably gathering dust at Bell Labs; I do
suspect that Unix is what made mixed case a more
common requirement. (I wonder if the "accident" of
mixed-case was one of the drivers to turn the first
Unix systems into documentation tools w/ typsetting
capability...)
Of course RSTS (for the PDP-11) and RSX-11 (and
even RT-11) could qualify though I'm a bit vague
in that area. I do seem to recall that RSTS was
pretty much just a BASIC interpreter but that
no longer seems right. (shrugs) It's been over
30 years since I last looked at FOCAL as a language.
BTW, Kelli... given your moniker, are you getting
any of the largesse from the Feds for Iraq's
reconstruction? (smirks)
Kelli Halliburton
> BTW, Kelli... given your moniker, are you getting
> any of the largesse from the Feds for Iraq's
> reconstruction? (smirks)
As much as you get from the soup and tea company...
I have to say, I liked reading the above discussion. I don't seem to be
able to get the alt.folklore.computers feed to work here; I miss it. I
wasn't around for those days. I am too young to have ever worked the big
iron; the personal computer market was just leaving its infancy around the
time I began to be old enough to be interested in them (I was in 8th grade
when I began programming a TRS-80 Model III in BASIC while hanging out
at the local Radio Shack).
cmsix
"Kelli Halliburton" <kell...@crosswinds.not.invalid> wrote in message
Ever miss TRS-DOS? Profile? Scripsit?
I still remember when I got my first version of Scripsit that had a
mouse driver. I think I remember a version for Tandy XENIX but it
wouldn't use the mouse.
It was also traumatic when I couldn't find a Basic interpreter for
Tandy XENIX. It was a great day though when I found "Progress"
I was a Model 16 user and one of the worst days of my life was when I
realized that Tandy was switching to clones so they could "Me too Big
Blue"
In a previous life I lost my last Model 16 in a horrible "unpaid
storage unit rental" accident.
cmsix
Jack C Lipton
hand-assembled program into the front panel of
what was once considered a mainframe (i.e.
"Xerox Sigma-9") and had it _work_. It's an
amazing way to exercise one's understanding of
the instruction set.
Toggling in a program, BTW, is usually referred
to as "Banging Iron" (which, in some ways,
reflects on *THIS* group).
Admittedly the only people to _really_ get a
chance to do this kind of thing are, well,
rather old and grey by now; the ability to
deposit code into a system from what is now
laughingly referred to as a "front panel" is
long gone.
Though I *did* try to convince a newbie that
the "reset" button on the front of RS/6000
computers wouldn't work as a reset unless you
punched in "RESET" in Morse Code... but,
sadly, my deadpan delivery wasn't up to the
task.
Just Some Guy
>On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:34:09 -0700, in alt.sex.stories.d, Just Some Guy
><noi...@thinkso.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:12:32 GMT, Russell Hoisington
>><wri...@thekeyboard.com> wrote:
>>
>>>But I really don't have time to waste on you or any other fool who
>>>mouths off instead of asking if something went wrong, as if you think
>>>y'all are exempt from Murphy's Law. The *only* reason I responded to
>>>your diatribe was to possibly save someone else difficulties caused by
>>>not reading the FAQ. Those rules are not arbitrary; they are based on
>>>(1) law and (2) limitations of the ASSTR moderation system and the NNTP
>>>system in general. They are there to try to eliminate the very
>>>difficulties you caused by not following them.
>>
>>
>>
>>And thus the newsgroup dies. Your rules, your result. No problem. I
>>really don't care. Just quit bitching about the fact that the group is
>>dying.
>
>Who is bitching? The only person I see doing it you... and whine doesn't go
>well with bitching.
>
>>As far as the 5000 line limit is concerned, you really need to at
>>least move into the 20th century. ASS doesn't seem to have a problem
>>with posts over that limit. True, you also have all the spam to wade
>>through, but as I said before; anyone who really wants the story will
>>go there to get it.
>
>I know of dozens of platforms that have trouble with articles over 5000
>lines and another dozens of currently operating systems which discard any
>article over 5000 lines.
>
>So what you are saying is your own server doesn't have problems with excess
>of 5000 line articles, and you have seen some articles which have exceeded
>the 5000 line limit from other servers. However it seems to escape you that
>many, if not the majority of the servers still, don't like handling
>articles which exceed 5000 lines.
>
>Last time I asked a news admin, Ade replied that the norm on usenet is
>still considered best not to exceed the 5000 line limit. and to assure
>maximum propagation about 4500 lines would be the best to use.
So I guess this will be news to the folks in other groups who often
post video files with a bit over 300,000 lines. And before you say it,
these files regularly appear in groups other than the binaries groups.
You only have to look around a bit to see this is true. I'm sorry your
news server can't handle it, but it's not my fault.
Ok, I violated the rule on the size of the post. My bad. I didn't
realize there was such a rule when I originally posted the story. As I
said before, it won't happen again.
>
>>Ok, you have rules for your moderated group. I was trying to help out
>>when I saw something wrong that I was in a position to do so. Believe
>>me when I say I won't make that mistake again.
>
>That's right, as moderators they have a few obligations that someone
>posting to a non-moderated group don't have.
>
>However If I was a writer, I wouldn't give nor would I release my stories
>to Public Domain. Ergo those people that are reposters wouldn't have any
>authority or right to repost the stories. In reality, someone could most
>likely issue cancellations on any articles you repost as copyright
>violations, your usenet feed could cancel your account without notice and
>You ISP could pull the plug on you. the authors could seek compensation
>from you when and if they locate you. Both the Newsserver and ISP are
>required under law to co-operate with any discovery action to locate you,
>once a court order is granted.
>
>And I wouldn't depend of Supernews covering your identity for you. After
>the sting they got from not co-operating with Harland Ellison over a
>copyright violation, the authors would only have to serve a proper DMCA
>demand notice and the Admins at SN would be issuing the cancellations and
>sending originating IP addresses to the author for discovery processing...
>and you would be looking for a new newsserver.
>
>And when and if I write a story, it will not exceed the 5000 line limit. I
>happen to like the rules there, in ASSM, and I think the moderation team
>does a great job.
>
First of all, I don't use Supernews - never have. Don't know where you
got that from. Better look a little bit deeper into the header info.
Second of all, I seriously doubt anyone who wrote a story dealing with
pedo incest is gonna go looking to start legal action about copywrite
infringement with anybody. And no, the story in question didn't deal
with either of those topics, but you get my drift. You might want to
look into copyright law a bit deeper. If and when you ever do write a
story, that is....
Third of all, the post I tried to help out with was a REPOST OF
SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK, WHICH HAD BEEN REPOSTED 3 FUCKING DAYS EARLIER BY
SOMEONE WHO WAS ALSO NOT THE AUTHOR!
Everything below this point is an open reply to all the people who
responded to me in other posts. It is not directed at you personally,
Russell. However, if you see something that applies to you, go with
it...
If you're going to rag on me for violating the rule about the file
size, that's one thing. I admit I screwed up there. I can only claim
ignorance, and reply that it will never happen again. But don't be so
goddamned self-righteous when it comes to reposting another author's
work without permission. I refer to the August 27th 2004 post in ASSM
of Linda's Story by someone using the handle RSA, which, by the way,
started all this shit.
RSA posted half the fucking story, most of which was completely out of
sequence. It was posted without the original author's permission
(which must have just slipped past the handy dandy eagle-eyed
moderators) and included a line at the top of the fucking text that
stated he/she was not the author, and was just posting the story. The
original story was written by someone referring to themselves as
"Lingus." Nothing in that post indicated that RSA had permission from
"Lingus" to repost the story. So, thinking I wasn't the only one who
liked the story and knew this version was screwed up, I tracked down
and tried to repost the whole story in it's original form. The
original story as posted by "Lingus" can be found on the ASSTR
website, by the way.
While I'm at it, you only have to look at the ASSM group to see how
much bullshit the so-called rule about posting another author's work
really is. When I found the original repost of Linda's Story on August
27th, several posts made within 2 days of that post stood out as
reposts by someone other than the original author. NONE OF THEM STATED
THEY HAD PERMISSION OF THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR TO REPOST THEIR WORK AND
THEY WERE POSTED IN THE ASSM GROUP ANYWAY!
And if you're really going to enforce such a rule, then please tell me
WHY I see so many stories posted by someone calling him/herself "The
Editor" using several different Usenet handles.
Cut the bullshit. Don't try to pass yourselves off as something more
than you really are. You like to write and read dirty stories same as
me. Most of you have never been published. Most of you post here
because it's the only way you can be read at all (that or you're
afraid to let your "straight" friends know you write porn.) Don't try
to force-feed a bunch of bullshit about legal this and legal that when
half of the stories posted are considered illegal in most countries
around the world, and most of the states in the US.
You're smut authors who write stroke stories - nothing more. No big
deal, so am I. Some of us make money doing it, some don't. Please
don't start that bullshit about not prostituting your art by taking
money either. The only people who use that tired old line are the ones
who can't sell anything. Just wake the hell up, open your eyes to your
own hypocrisy, and get over yourselves.
You say there is no clique? Ok... Time to prove it. I eagerly await
the post stating the moderators of ASSM have gone back through their
archives, the posts remaining on their servers, and the ASSTR website
and have deleted all of the stories posted, reposted, or otherwise
submitted by anyone other than the original author (those posts,
reposts, or submissions, of course, bearing the magic words informing
the moderators that the poster has the original author's permission to
repost - whether that's actually provable or not - are excepted) to
include actually reading the text to eliminate anything submitted by
someone calling him/herself "The Editor" or anyone else submitting
work other than their own.
To do anything less is hypocrisy - not to mention probably illegal.
Your rules, remember?
Oh, and yes, Sweetpea - the ASSM group is dying...
"No matter how hard you try, you just can't polish a turd..."
Just Some Guy
?reality
Silverman <silv...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
cmsix, I'm hoping your aren't really thinking that. The storms here in
florida have shown me that often the only way to contact writers is
through assd. I realize this ng has lots of spam and age old arguments,
but it doesn't have anything to do with how readers feel about authors
Jeff Zephyr
wrote:
I rarely see any posts over 5000 lines per article. While some
posters do it, most such posts end up being useless, not propogating
at all or well.
Maybe you're mistaking the total number of lines in a multipart post
for the lines per article?
Path:
sn-us!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail
Maybe you aren't using Supernews directly, but it sure looks like it
is your primary feed (same as mine).
>Second of all, I seriously doubt anyone who wrote a story dealing with
>pedo incest is gonna go looking to start legal action about copywrite
>infringement with anybody. And no, the story in question didn't deal
>with either of those topics, but you get my drift. You might want to
>look into copyright law a bit deeper. If and when you ever do write a
>story, that is....
I think you need to check out the copyright laws. Stories are 100%
protectable material. Presuming that no author will bother to pursue
infringement would be unwise, because *some* of them out there write
under their own names, or are lawyers, or both.
>Third of all, the post I tried to help out with was a REPOST OF
>SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK, WHICH HAD BEEN REPOSTED 3 FUCKING DAYS EARLIER BY
>SOMEONE WHO WAS ALSO NOT THE AUTHOR!
Just because someone else made a mistake doesn't excuse your
mistake.
A lot of stories posted are clearly marked as allowing reposts.
Lacking that, reposting isn't legal. The risk of legal action isn't
high because there isn't much money involved -- not enough to justify
legal costs -- but there are exceptions. For example, stories ripped
from sites which pay the authors, whose publishers do have the
wherewithal to pursue matters.
As for which reposts are permitted on ASSM, you'd need to ask the
moderators again. I know that it isn't required that the poster be
the author of the story.
--
Jeff
Web site at http://www.asstr.org/~jeffzephyr/
For FTP, ftp://ftp.asstr.org/pub/Authors/jeffzephyr/
There is nothing more important than petting the cat.
Tim Merrigan
> Cut the bullshit. Don't try to pass yourselves off as something more
> than you really are. You like to write and read dirty stories same as
> me. Most of you have never been published. Most of you post here
> because it's the only way you can be read at all (that or you're
> afraid to let your "straight" friends know you write porn.) Don't try
> to force-feed a bunch of bullshit about legal this and legal that when
> half of the stories posted are considered illegal in most countries
> around the world, and most of the states in the US.
I can't speak to anything else in this post, but, aside from possible
copyright problems, and occasional spam that sneaks past the mods,
everything posted on ASSM is legal in the U.S. Any state or local laws
saying otherwise are in violation of the first by way of the fourteenth
Amendment, and so null and void.
>
> Just Some Guy
--
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and to the republic which it established, one nation, from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
Feel free to use the above variant pledge in your own postings.
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Shalon Wood
>>Second of all, I seriously doubt anyone who wrote a story dealing with
>>pedo incest is gonna go looking to start legal action about copywrite
>>infringement with anybody. And no, the story in question didn't deal
>>with either of those topics, but you get my drift. You might want to
>>look into copyright law a bit deeper. If and when you ever do write a
>>story, that is....
>
> I think you need to check out the copyright laws. Stories are 100%
> protectable material. Presuming that no author will bother to pursue
> infringement would be unwise, because *some* of them out there write
> under their own names, or are lawyers, or both.
Or have the money to hire a lawyer -- and the sense to register the
copyright within 90 days of posting, so that statutory damages are
available.
Shalon Wood
--
Check out Strange Love -- an ezine of science fiction, fantasy, and
paranormal erotica. Only $2 for more than 20,000 words of fiction!
Gary Jordan
>Just Some Guy wrote:
>
>> Cut the bullshit. Don't try to pass yourselves off as something more
>> than you really are. You like to write and read dirty stories same as
>> me. Most of you have never been published. Most of you post here
>> because it's the only way you can be read at all (that or you're
>> afraid to let your "straight" friends know you write porn.) Don't try
>> to force-feed a bunch of bullshit about legal this and legal that when
>> half of the stories posted are considered illegal in most countries
>> around the world, and most of the states in the US.
>
>I can't speak to anything else in this post, but, aside from possible
>copyright problems, and occasional spam that sneaks past the mods,
>everything posted on ASSM is legal in the U.S. Any state or local laws
>saying otherwise are in violation of the first by way of the fourteenth
>Amendment, and so null and void.
There's something to be said for JSG's position. How hard would it be to add
"x-no-archive-yes" (or the ASSTR-only version of that) to *all* posts coded
"repost"? Do we need 20 copies of *any* story archived? There's a different
code for revisions, if that was the intent.
They'd still make it to ASSM - they just wouldn't be archived on ASSTR. And, it
wouldn't hurt to go through and chuck out duplicates. (Who bells cat?)
Gary Jordan
"Old submariners never die--at least, not on the surface..."
<I>"This communicating of a man's self to his friend works two contrary
effects, for it redoubleth joys, and cutteth griefs in half." - Francis Bacon,
Essays </I>
Hecate
>Or have the money to hire a lawyer -- and the sense to register the
>copyright within 90 days of posting, so that statutory damages are
>available.
>
You don't need to register copyright with anyone to have the copyright
under the Berne Convention.
--
Hecate
hec...@newsguy.com
Darwinian man, though well-behaved,
At best is only,
A monkey, shaved
(G&S)
Shalon Wood
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 05:14:06 GMT, Shalon Wood <ds...@pele.cx> wrote:
>
>>Or have the money to hire a lawyer -- and the sense to register the
>>copyright within 90 days of posting, so that statutory damages are
>>available.
>>
> You don't need to register copyright with anyone to have the copyright
> under the Berne Convention.
No, but in the US you aren't eligible for statutory damages if you
haven't.
Denny Wheeler
wrote:
I'll reply to JSG separately.
>>>Don't try
>>> to force-feed a bunch of bullshit about legal this and legal that when
>>> half of the stories posted are considered illegal in most countries
>>> around the world, and most of the states in the US.
>>
>>I can't speak to anything else in this post, but, aside from possible
>>copyright problems, and occasional spam that sneaks past the mods,
>>everything posted on ASSM is legal in the U.S. Any state or local laws
>>saying otherwise are in violation of the first by way of the fourteenth
>>Amendment, and so null and void.
(referring to the US here; other countries' laws differ, and imo are
wrong when they define 'taboo' topics)
Tim is quite right. Text is protected. Write about whatever you
want--it's fiction. Maybe the portrayed activities are illegal in
many if not all places--but it's legal to write them into stories.
Child rape story? Legal. Snuff story? Legal.
etc etc.
>There's something to be said for JSG's position. How hard would it be to add
>"x-no-archive-yes" (or the ASSTR-only version of that) to *all* posts coded
>"repost"? Do we need 20 copies of *any* story archived? There's a different
>code for revisions, if that was the intent.
I didn't see anything in what he said that suggests this as part of
his position--but it's well-worth addressing.
Well, as to adding a no-archive header: some authors repost their
stories specifically to get them into archives--maybe the first post
never got into google, fex. Others use the 'repost' (or 'RP') tag but
have made some revisions or just basic cleanup and don't use any form
of revision code.
I agree that we don't need a million and twelve copies of any given
story archived. And I think we should add something to the ASSM FAQ
suggesting that *unchanged* reposts should carry a no-archive tag--at
least the 'x-asstr-no-archive: yes' one.
>They'd still make it to ASSM - they just wouldn't be archived on ASSTR. And, it
>wouldn't hurt to go through and chuck out duplicates. (Who bells cat?)
Are you volunteering, Mr. Davis?
>Gary (O'Kelly Davis) Jordan
-denny-
--
Yes, I have time for the dumb shit.
cmsix
"Denny Wheeler" <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote in message
news:vh3sn0hqdium0bfeb...@4ax.com...
Who's Mr. Davis and what's the point of weeding out extra copies. I'll
admit that it isn't so tidy to have to have two dozen copies of
Schoolboy Cheerleader Sluts and Bitches hanging around, but disk space
is so cheap now, I can't see where anything would be gained by tryint
to extract the extras, unless there is a *nix rendition of
"CloneMaster" or something like it that can compare files to make sure
that they are exactly the same.
Then again, I've been wrong before.
cmsix
Jack C Lipton
> (referring to the US here; other countries' laws differ, and imo are
> wrong when they define 'taboo' topics)
> Tim is quite right. Text is protected. Write about whatever you
> want--it's fiction. Maybe the portrayed activities are illegal in
> many if not all places--but it's legal to write them into stories.
> Child rape story? Legal. Snuff story? Legal.
> etc etc.
Y'know, it's interesting...
There are war stories, torture stories, murder mysteries,
all kinds of stories that run counter to someone's little
beliefs.
We (in the USA) were never given a constitutional right
to not be offended.
All right, so where does that leave us?
Well, some folks don't want federal monies handed to
organizations like planned parenthood; well, OK, if it
is all right to make those de-funding decisions, when
can we withdraw tax relief (or subsidized loans) to any
companies in the Tobacco industry? Or oil industry?
How about the military? If I don't want my tax dollars
being used to support an invasion and pogrom, well, it's
not like I can expect that change.
Heck, there are a LOT of little initiatives that I don't
think my elected representatives and unelected president
to fund... but it's a case of "tolerating" functions we
don't like to appreciate the functions we *do*.
Sadly, there are quite a few people who want to shut off
the ability to hear divergent opinions (and *facts*!)
who are denuding school libraries; why don't we just do
away with libraries altogether? After all, there will
ALWAYS be some material somewhere that will offend
somebody... even in the Dictionary!
The war is over information-- what we are being allowed
to see and hear-- and, with a narrowing of information
we can get a mind as narrow as DUHbya's.
David Brin in his book "Earth" made a throwaway comment
that no one's data feed was "perfectly filtered"; no
matter who you were, information that disagreed with
your chosen news sources would slip past them. Perhaps
that is the kind of pinhole we need to cut down on
pinheads.
--
Jack C Lipton | cupasoup at pele dot cx | http://www.asstr.org/~CupaSoup/
"Those who cling to religion can't acknowledge dissent because it's a
breath of doubt. Those who do not doubt themselves are more dangerous
(and less empathic) than those who can." -me