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in porn movies? I just don't understand this at all. I don't see why a
woman would enjoy having hot, smelly, sticky goo sprayed on her face. Maybe
she could tolerate it but...enjoy it?
As for the men, is this some kind of power trip or something, like pissing
on a tree to mark your territory? Believe me, as an avid consumer of porn I
DESPERATELY avoid talking to such people, but I would have a hard time
defending the practice of facials to the feminist anti-porn fanatics. Does
it strike anyone else as just a little bit degrading?
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Uncle Fester
>Will someone please explain to me what is so appealing about seeing faci
>in porn movies? I just don't understand this at all. I don't see why a
>woman would enjoy having hot, smelly, sticky goo sprayed on her face. M
>she could tolerate it but...enjoy it?
>
>As for the men, is this some kind of power trip or something, like piss
>on a tree to mark your territory? Believe me, as an avid consumer of po
>DESPERATELY avoid talking to such people, but I would have a hard time
>defending the practice of facials to the feminist anti-porn fanatics. D
>it strike anyone else as just a little bit degrading?
>
>zeeDawg
Seems like deja vu, but...
Just as in the thread "why anal", generalizing about
these things is not recommended.
I've known just as many women who've enjoyed facials/anal
as those that don't. Just as there are a lot of people
that consider any sort of oral sex to be 'ewww, icky yuck!'
As a one-time prolific poster to the alt.binaries.pictures.
erotica newsgroup, semi-specializing in the area of facials,
I can tell you this: Many of my posts were pics sent to me
by people wishing to remain anonymous. One of these was
a female, known to me. The pics she donated to me were of the
facial variety. In our correspondence she stated that she
was really into water-sports, but what *really* turned her
on was to have her man's cum spew all over her face and
mouth. What man would deny her this unless he was not really
into pleasing his partner? Personally I enjoy giving facials.
But I wouldn't force my partner to do such a thing. It's
probably not something that happens during a first-time
sexual encounter either. It's one of those things that occur
between a couple when they are at the stage that they *really*
want to please their partner in as many ways possible.
'Consentual' is a key word here though. Some of my earliest
experiences with facials were not my idea at all. My partner
took it upon herself (unintentional pun) to aim the thing.
I'd eaten her to climax, so she pulled me up there, proceeded
to give me the best head ever, and then in no uncertain terms
started jacking me off. I made a feeble protest as I wasn't
sure yet that she really wanted this to happen. Well, I was
wrong! She 'aimed' to please herself as well as me. Are there
a lot of women who enjoy doing this? Probably not. But
enough that statements like 'degrading' are unwarranted.
I don't feel as if I'm "marking my territory" either. A woman's
face during sex is one of my biggest turn-ons. I look at
my partner's face a lot during sex, and who can deny that
some of the expressions of their lovers' face during sex is
really the main attraction? A fetish for facials with a
willing partner is something that probably only those that
engage in the practice can understand. Either you like it,
or you don't, just like everything else.
And I DESPERATELY avoid talking to people that cast judgements
and aspersions on others' sexual kinks due to ignorance.
Feminist or whatever they may be. I made a special exception
in your case though. Why? Because you asked. And that's
the first step to understanding anything at all. I'm not
flaming you here, but I think that in the future you might
be a little more tactful in your questioning. Besides,
cum isn't "smelly" as a rule. Hot and sticky, yes. Just
don't eat to much seafood or things like garlic and the only
odor should be a slight hint of ammonia if any at all.
Hey, did you like the taste of beer the very first time?
Some people do, but I think it's an acquired taste.
After years of drinking beer, one can become quite the
connoiseur of brew. Some beer tastes like rat piss to me.
I wouldn't knock someone that enjoyed that particular
brand though. Same with sex. Whatever feels good and is
consentual is okay. And since everyone is different, that
old saying about stones and glass houses applies.
More than I wanted to say but what the hell.
Uncle Fester
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G'Day,
an3...@anon.penet.fi writes:
>Will someone please explain to me what is so appealing about seeing facials
>in porn movies? I just don't understand this at all. I don't see why a
>woman would enjoy having hot, smelly, sticky goo sprayed on her face. Maybe
>she could tolerate it but...enjoy it?
It's like most other things with sex, some people enjoy things that
others don't. There are many women who *do* enjoy getting facials. They
like seeing the man cum up close and they like the feel of it. Most like to
try to lick it from around their mouth etc too.
I relate facials to golden showers. Many ask me why I like women
pissing on me. To be honest I don't really know, I just do and it turns me
on immensely.
>As for the men, is this some kind of power trip or something, like pissing
>on a tree to mark your territory? Believe me, as an avid consumer of porn I
>DESPERATELY avoid talking to such people, but I would have a hard time
>defending the practice of facials to the feminist anti-porn fanatics. Does
>it strike anyone else as just a little bit degrading?
For some men it is a power trip and for many of the women involved
it is a way of submitting to their man. There is nothing wrong with this
as long as it is consentual.
We've had th facial discussion here before and a few of the women
put their side of the story to convince people that they do in fact like it.
Maybe it's time for them to have their say again, ladies .....
David.
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Dan Hartung
>Will someone please explain to me what is so appealing about seeing facials
>in porn movies? I just don't understand this at all. I don't see why a
>woman would enjoy having hot, smelly, sticky goo sprayed on her face. Maybe
>she could tolerate it but...enjoy it?
I seriously doubt that many women ENJOY it. But see below.
>As for the men, is this some kind of power trip or something, like pissing
>on a tree to mark your territory? Believe me, as an avid consumer of porn I
>DESPERATELY avoid talking to such people, but I would have a hard time
>defending the practice of facials to the feminist anti-porn fanatics. Does
>it strike anyone else as just a little bit degrading?
Ah yes ... velkum to Porno 101, I yem Doktor Freud .... ;-)
Indeed it is degrading. I'm not a major fan of them myself, though
sometimes .... <shakes head> Anyway, since historically at least,
the major market for porn has been The Frustrated Male, it would seem
rational to conclude that a lot of what feminist anti-pornography
activists deem "degrading portrayals of women" are the spades they're
called. That said, I don't know if it's as harmful as they claim ...
would we rather they be out finding REAL women to degrade?
Yes, it's a power trip, it's a way of visually demonstrating one's
virility (and the man on screen is presumed to be the representative
of the one sitting in the theater watching). But there are other
factors.
The first is probably a kind of joyous child-like revelry in bodily
fluids. (As one writer said once, a young child's first turd might
be proffered to his parents: "Look what I made, Mommy"). Another
factor is probably somewhat related -- rebellion against the shame
of making a mess, coupled with the shame of sex. (One reason that
coprophilia is a fetish.)
I think the basic idea comes down to this: "Semen is so messy and
obviuosly sexual that for a woman to take it on her face, she must
really love sex." Which for some men seems to be at once the
greatest compliment, and the greatest insult, they can give a woman.
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Uncle Fester
In article <CDvwp...@chinet.chinet.com> dhar...@chinet.chinet.com
(Dan Hartung) writes:
>In article <152311Z...@anon.penet.fi>,
<an3...@anon.penet.fi> wrote:
>>Will someone please explain to me what is so appealing about seeing facials
>>in porn movies? I just don't understand this at all. I don't see why a
>>woman would enjoy having hot, smelly, sticky goo sprayed on her face.
>>Maybe she could tolerate it but...enjoy it?
>I seriously doubt that many women ENJOY it. But see below.
Since the people that appear in porn movies are
being paid, they don't have to enjoy it. Only consent.
I do things in my job that I don't like, but as long
as the money is right...
>>As for the men, is this some kind of power trip or something,
>>like pissing on a tree to mark your territory? Believe me, as an avid
>>consumer of porn I DESPERATELY avoid talking to such people, but I
>>would have a hard time defending the practice of facials to the
>>feminist anti-porn fanatics.
>>Does>>it strike anyone else as just a little bit degrading?
>Ah yes ... velkum to Porno 101, I yem Doktor Freud .... ;-)
Pop psychology is fun, eh? Anyone can do it.
>Indeed it is degrading. I'm not a major fan of them myself, though
>sometimes .... <shakes head> Anyway, since historically at least,
>the major market for porn has been The Frustrated Male, it would seem
>rational to conclude that a lot of what feminist anti-pornography
>activists deem "degrading portrayals of women" are the spades they're
>called. That said, I don't know if it's as harmful as they claim ...
>would we rather they be out finding REAL women to degrade?
Degradation is in the eye of the beholder.
Since this is pop psych 101, I'd say something
like, "What you're saying amounts to 'if I don't
enjoy it myself, then nobody else could either',
Tell me more about your feelings on this."
>Yes, it's a power trip, it's a way of visually demonstrating one's
>virility (and the man on screen is presumed to be the representative
>of the one sitting in the theater watching). But there are other
>factors.
The corollary of bald men growing beards?
You say "presumed" but I think you meant to say
"wildly speculated" in a psychological sense.
Why? Because you don't know what anyone sitting
in the theater may feel about it, but you might
be projecting your own feelings here, so your
diagnosis of the factors is a non sequitur.
>The first is probably a kind of joyous child-like revelry in bodily
>fluids. (As one writer said once, a young child's first turd might
>be proffered to his parents: "Look what I made, Mommy").
Sort of like your article?
>Another
>factor is probably somewhat related -- rebellion against the shame
>of making a mess, coupled with the shame of sex. (One reason that
>coprophilia is a fetish.)
I thought psychology today had moved beyond blaming
everything of a sexual nature on one's relationship
with parents? And just what makes any particular
"thing" a fetish? Infant experiences may or may not
engender certain things. Some fetishes aren't "born"
until everything else has become blase and thus
sparks the search for new kinks to explore. It's
like telling a reluctant child to eat his peas,
"How do you know you don't like them unless you try them?"
While the child may not eat his peas then, you can
be sure that someday he will, because the meatloaf
and mashed potatoes have become boring. Hell, I'd
even venture that he will mix his peas up with the
mashed potatoes. What a thrill!
>I think the basic idea comes down to this: "Semen is so messy and
>obviuosly sexual that for a woman to take it on her face, she must
>really love sex." Which for some men seems to be at once the
>greatest compliment, and the greatest insult, they can give a woman.
Accent on the words "some men".
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and grant
you that the above may be as true a reason as _any_
other sexual act. Just as Andrea Dworkin has equated
penetration of any kind by a man upon a woman with
rape, you could stretch the meaning of any act upon
a woman by a man to be "degrading". I might make
an exception by allowing films such as the Gang Bang
series (and those like it) to be perceived as degrading,
but it really amounts to the same thing as determining
what constitutes "unacceptable" violence on the television.
What is the yardstick by which we measure these things?
If the man just withdraws from the vagina and spews
on the woman's stomach, is that degrading? If he does
the same, but spews on her breasts instead, is that
degrading? Is the clavicle the demarcation where
anything above that becomes somehow degrading?
I've seen "foot" films where the guys jerk off and
cum all over the feet of the woman. What is that?
Do those male fans of Fallon (The Squirt Girl) that
yearn to have their face between her legs when she
erupts want to be degraded? Probably not, I'd say.
It really burns me to see these things discussed with
the words "degrading" volleyed about without any
consideration for those of us that don't relate to it
in that way at all. It's nothing but a put-down, plain
and simple and insulting as well.
I detest the taste of beets, but I wouldn't say anyone
that does enjoy them should be classified as 'deranged'
and attach infantile precursors to their tastebuds.
So stop it.
> Daniel A. Hartung -- dhar...@chinet.chinet.com
Uncle Fester
(Who someday may even like beets)
Tord G.M. Malmgren
>>Another
>>factor is probably somewhat related -- rebellion against the shame
>>of making a mess, coupled with the shame of sex. (One reason that
>>coprophilia is a fetish.)
>>I think the basic idea comes down to this: "Semen is so messy and
>>obviuosly sexual that for a woman to take it on her face, she must
>>really love sex." Which for some men seems to be at once the
>>greatest compliment, and the greatest insult, they can give a woman.
as for a woman sucking a guy's dick is a token of acceptance..
> Do those male fans of Fallon (The Squirt Girl) that
> yearn to have their face between her legs when she
> erupts want to be degraded? Probably not, I'd say.
probably yes, I'd say.. And you'd probably say "no", cos they LIKE
it, but WHY do they like it?
> I detest the taste of beets, but I wouldn't say anyone
> that does enjoy them should be classified as 'deranged'
> and attach infantile precursors to their tastebuds.
it's not a question of equating "degrading oneself" to "being deranged"
and nobody's attacking anybody...
-T.
opinions are my own
Uncle Fester
>In article <1993Sep25.0...@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, the...@nyx.cs.
u.edu (Uncle Fester) writes:
>
>>>Another
>>>factor is probably somewhat related -- rebellion against the shame
>>>of making a mess, coupled with the shame of sex. (One reason that
>>>coprophilia is a fetish.)
>>>obviuosly sexual that for a woman to take it on her face, she must
>>>really love sex." Which for some men seems to be at once the
>>>greatest compliment, and the greatest insult, they can give a woman.
>
>
are not mine. Uncle Fester didn't say that.
>> Do those male fans of Fallon (The Squirt Girl) that
>> yearn to have their face between her legs when she
>> erupts want to be degraded? Probably not, I'd say.
>
> probably yes, I'd say.. And you'd probably say "no", cos they LIKE
>it, but WHY do they like it?
>
Exactly my point. You can't make blanket statements like
"they want to be degraded" as if every one who enjoys
something only enjoys it from the perspective of those
that see it as degrading. A prejudicial view in my opinion.
>> I detest the taste of beets, but I wouldn't say anyone
>> that does enjoy them should be classified as 'deranged'
>> and attach infantile precursors to their tastebuds.
>
> it's not a question of equating "degrading oneself" to "being deranged"
>and nobody's attacking anybody...
>
Well it's related. You see, I take the words "degrading oneself"
to be a putdown when the facts about the whys and wherefores of
any individual's sexual proclivities are completely unknown to
the critic of those very things. You don't know anything about
me other than what you read here. If you were to choose to believe
that I am fat or thin, balding or hirsute, any skin color you want,
then you'd be judging me from unknown factors and you'd be wrong.
I'm just saying that pigeonholing someone into a group in which
they don't fit is wrong. If I felt that my sexual kinks was based
on wanting to degrade/be degraded, I'd admit it and probably wouldn't
be writing all this crap in the first place. My analogy using
the word 'deranged' still stands.
I don't feel that anybody has been "attacked" here. I just happen
to think there's a little bit of prejudicial ignorance about the
subject. It would truly be ignorant to make statements about race,
or ethnic background in the same manner. Generalizations like
that are harmul at most and insulting at least.
>-T.
>opinions are my own
Uncle Fester
ted tumminello
>
> Will someone please explain to me what is so appealing about seeing facials
> in porn movies? I just don't understand this at all. I don't see why a
> woman would enjoy having hot, smelly, sticky goo sprayed on her face. Maybe
> she could tolerate it but...enjoy it?
>
> As for the men, is this some kind of power trip or something, like pissing
> on a tree to mark your territory? Believe me, as an avid consumer of porn I
> DESPERATELY avoid talking to such people, but I would have a hard time
> defending the practice of facials to the feminist anti-porn fanatics. Does
> it strike anyone else as just a little bit degrading?
>
> zeeDawg
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my wife loves when i give her facials! she says it is very intimate.
Dan Hartung
>(Dan Hartung) writes:
><an3...@anon.penet.fi> wrote:
>>>Will someone please explain to me what is so appealing about seeing facials
>>>in porn movies? I just don't understand this at all. I don't see why a
>>>woman would enjoy having hot, smelly, sticky goo sprayed on her face.
>>>Maybe she could tolerate it but...enjoy it?
>
>>I seriously doubt that many women ENJOY it. But see below.
>
> Since the people that appear in porn movies are
> being paid, they don't have to enjoy it. Only consent.
> I do things in my job that I don't like, but as long
> as the money is right...
Agreed so far ...
>>>As for the men, is this some kind of power trip or something,
>>>like pissing on a tree to mark your territory? Believe me, as an avid
>>>consumer of porn I DESPERATELY avoid talking to such people, but I
>>>would have a hard time defending the practice of facials to the
>>>feminist anti-porn fanatics.
>>>Does>>it strike anyone else as just a little bit degrading?
>
>>Ah yes ... velkum to Porno 101, I yem Doktor Freud .... ;-)
>
> Pop psychology is fun, eh? Anyone can do it.
Ah, the ad hominem attacks begin. Fester, how cum you're so
riled up? I normally respect your opinions.
>>Indeed it is degrading. I'm not a major fan of them myself, though
>>sometimes .... <shakes head> Anyway, since historically at least,
[...]
>
> Degradation is in the eye of the beholder.
> Since this is pop psych 101, I'd say something
> like, "What you're saying amounts to 'if I don't
> enjoy it myself, then nobody else could either',
> Tell me more about your feelings on this."
But one element of a larger whole ... I did go on from this point,
after all.
>>Yes, it's a power trip, it's a way of visually demonstrating one's
>>virility (and the man on screen is presumed to be the representative
>>of the one sitting in the theater watching). But there are other
>>factors.
>
> The corollary of bald men growing beards?
> You say "presumed" but I think you meant to say
> "wildly speculated" in a psychological sense.
> Why? Because you don't know what anyone sitting
> in the theater may feel about it, but you might
> be projecting your own feelings here, so your
> diagnosis of the factors is a non sequitur.
Since I don't actually get anything out of the typical facial,
other than to wonder why tghey felt the need to interrupt a
nice rhythm ... it's not my own feelings.
Are you asserting that the statement "A majority of men who watch
porn films do so in order to imagine themselves performing the same
acts" is an untruth?
Anyway, I was speaking more to what the producers think the audience
thinks, rather than what the audience actually thinks.
>>The first is probably a kind of joyous child-like revelry in bodily
>>fluids. (As one writer said once, a young child's first turd might
>>be proffered to his parents: "Look what I made, Mommy").
>
> Sort of like your article?
Oh, fuck off.
>>Another
>>factor is probably somewhat related -- rebellion against the shame
>>of making a mess, coupled with the shame of sex. (One reason that
>>coprophilia is a fetish.)
>
> I thought psychology today had moved beyond blaming
> everything of a sexual nature on one's relationship
> with parents? And just what makes any particular
> "thing" a fetish? Infant experiences may or may not
> engender certain things. Some fetishes aren't "born"
> until everything else has become blase and thus
> sparks the search for new kinks to explore.
Still, for many people a fetish is something that excites them
much more than "normal" sex (yes, we are using merely convenient
terms here and not making judgements) -- indeed, for most. I would
venture that most people go through life with at least one mild
fetish, that remains unexpressed for various reasons (guilt,
embarrassment, etc.). Those expansive souls who actually venture
out and do such things for the hell of it are a distinct minority.
I hope you would understand that my post was descriptive, not
prescriptive. I don't think it HAS to be that way. In fact it's
probably fucked up more people due to being that way.
>>I think the basic idea comes down to this: "Semen is so messy and
>>obviuosly sexual that for a woman to take it on her face, she must
>>really love sex." Which for some men seems to be at once the
>>greatest compliment, and the greatest insult, they can give a woman.
>
> Accent on the words "some men".
Agreed...
> I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and grant
> you that the above may be as true a reason as _any_
> other sexual act. Just as Andrea Dworkin has equated
> penetration of any kind by a man upon a woman with
> rape, you could stretch the meaning of any act upon
> a woman by a man to be "degrading".
True. And, in essence, I would say that much of the dreck that
passes for erotica DOES equate penetration with a kind of rape.
That doesn't invalidate all other erotica, thank God.
I might make
> an exception by allowing films such as the Gang Bang
> series (and those like it) to be perceived as degrading,
> but it really amounts to the same thing as determining
> what constitutes "unacceptable" violence on the television.
> What is the yardstick by which we measure these things?
> If the man just withdraws from the vagina and spews
> on the woman's stomach, is that degrading? If he does
> the same, but spews on her breasts instead, is that
> degrading? Is the clavicle the demarcation where
> anything above that becomes somehow degrading?
Actually, I would say that the facial is merely the crowning
glory of the act....i.e. there is some of the same element
no matter where exactly it gets ... deposited.
> I've seen "foot" films where the guys jerk off and
> cum all over the feet of the woman. What is that?
uh, that would be a fetish. ;-)
> Do those male fans of Fallon (The Squirt Girl) that
> yearn to have their face between her legs when she
> erupts want to be degraded? Probably not, I'd say.
Agreed. But then, 90% of porn films have a facial shot, and
only a handful have Fallon-facials. I don't think you're
going to see the "display" scene anytime soon where a man
arises from cunnilingus and smiles at the camera -- "loook
what I've got all over my face" -- as a porn staple.
(Though it would be a fun moment in a couples film. Haven't
seen one quite like that -- do they exist?)
> It really burns me to see these things discussed with
> the words "degrading" volleyed about without any
> consideration for those of us that don't relate to it
> in that way at all. It's nothing but a put-down, plain
> and simple and insulting as well.
Sorry I pushed a button. I didn't mean to paint everyone with
the same brush. And again, I was trying to address the reasosn
these things are USED as cliches, probably far out of proportion
to the actual interest of the audience.
Darryl Hamilton
>
cream on the market :). I've been told it does wonders for your complexion,
not to mention it's full of protein. :)
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Janice E. Cripe
>in porn movies? I just don't understand this at all. I don't see why a
>woman would enjoy having hot, smelly, sticky goo sprayed on her face. Maybe
>she could tolerate it but...enjoy it?
>As for the men, is this some kind of power trip or something, like pissing
>on a tree to mark your territory? Believe me, as an avid consumer of porn I
>DESPERATELY avoid talking to such people, but I would have a hard time
>defending the practice of facials to the feminist anti-porn fanatics. Does
>it strike anyone else as just a little bit degrading?
Boy has this discussion been frustrating for me to read!
_I_, for one, actually LIKE having my partners cum on my
face. And I like to see it in movies if the actress looks
like she likes it. (Screwing up her face and quickly wiping
it off doesn't work for me, but opening her eyes and mouth
and smiling as she licks it up or rubs it in is, at the
very least, the sign of a good actress, if she doesn't really
like it, and a serious turn-on.)
Why do I enjoy "having hot, smelly, sticky goo sprayed on [my] face?"
Well, let's see... I like having sex with my partners... I like to
see the cum that results from their excitement at being with me...
I get to see _and_ taste it if he splooges _on my face_ rather than
into my mouth closed around him or in various other locations on
my body (all of which I also like, btw, I'm not a slave to facials)...
it's playful and seems to turn on my partners just as much as it
turns me on. Seems like plenty of reasons to enjoy it to me!
And it doesn't strike me as degrading at all. I usually ask for it.
I've never had anyone act in anything but a positive manner while
he was "marking" me. I've always found faces to be the most important
thing for me in terms of attraction. In sex I want to see my partners
face. So wouldn't it be exciting for my partner to see my face as
he cums all over it? If only _I_ could see it from his POV too!!!
Well, this is a bit disjointed. It's been a long time since I've
posted. But I had to throw my comments into this discussion and
say that there are people out here who like this kind of activity
and don't see anything wrong with it. I'm sure there are women
who don't like facials, just as I'm sure that there are men who
don't like them or see them as some sort of power display, but for
me it's simply another act from which my partners and I get a lot of
enjoyment. I'm not gonna stop doing it because someone else thinks
it's degrading.
- Janice
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Honest is more what I mean. Not law-type honest ... but unto-thyself-
type honest. Be anything but a coward, a pretender, an emotional crook,
a whore: I'd rather have cancer than have a dishonest heart.
Truman Capote
"Breakfast at Tiffany's"
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James
> In article <CDvwp...@chinet.chinet.com> dhar...@chinet.chinet.com (Dan Har
> >
> >I seriously doubt that many women ENJOY it. But see below.
> >
> Gee I don't know about that. I heard it is better than any other facial
> cream on the market :). I've been told it does wonders for your complexion,
> not to mention it's full of protein. :)
>
>
> --
> Quick honey get my gun,
> There`s a foreign exchange student at the front door!!
Just ask any Roman Empress. :-)
--PHineas
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phi...@micromed.com (James)