The Shutdown of the ACS at Wizvax -Important. Read this.
Ms. Stephanie Gilgut
Due to the amount of email my mbox has received in the past few months, and
most especially, after the person used the service to post that pyramid
thing, the acs is going to go away. That was the 'straw that broke the
camel's back'.
What has really been leading to this decision is that it seems a fair
percentage of the net is so illiterate, that it cannot follow the simple
directions in every anon signature, and a total ignorance in seeing
the twice monthly postings about how it all works.
The net has sunken to the point of people changing their local usernames
to match their wi numbers. (you know who you are, and there is way more
than one.)
I have *way* too much to do, and too many users to support to expend this
kind of effort dealing with the rest of the net. The keyword of this s/w is
that it's automatic. Or rather it would be if people read some before they
hit the send key.
Anyway, after talking with Multics, we have decided to lose the service,
as it is now more trouble than it is worth. While it's not what we wanted
to do, it what we have to do. We'd like to thank the members of the
Secret Wizvax Society for the fun and stuff, and while it won't be active
we hope you'll fondly remember it.
As of March 22, all anon email / post traffic to this site will bounce.
St. Stephanie, Not-St. Sean, and Multics
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Ms. Stephanie Gilgut, Special Projects Director <ste...@wizvax.com>
Wizvax Communications - Public Access Internet - http://wizvax.com/index.html
1508 Tibbits Ave. Troy, NY 12180 V:(518)273-4325 F:(518)271-6289
"There is no sound, quite like the moaning of a thousand kajirae." - N-S Sean
gac
The closing of wizvax is a very sad occurrence. It was easy to use, and
provided a way for people who were afraid, timid, or in jeopardy to
reach out for contact. I was just about to publish an article on cross
dressing that mentionjed the service as a safe way of communicating with
others.
I am sorry that the burdenof runing it became intolerable, and thank
those who tried. Unfortunately, it seems that as the net grows, more
and more people who find abusing kindness and taking advantage of others
easy, are finding their way on board. Such is the price of
democratization.
Thanks, Wizvax, for trying.
M.A. Gilbert
Ms. Stephanie Gilgut (ste...@wizvax.wizvax.com) wrote:
: Due to the amount of email my mbox has received in the past few months, and
Eightmeg
: The real reason is that ACS @ Wizvax is operated by a company, a business,
: who now sees that providing this service exposes them to the rabid
: liability monster that has become a permanent fixture on the American
: landscape.
: I'm sure that the recent capitulation of Anon.penet after being sued, by
: divulging the ID of some people who used the service to post messages to
: alt.religion.scientology has a LOT to do with the decision.
I agree completely. I was going to mention that I had heard of this on a
local net about 1 month ago. Someone had uploaded the case description.
(It was very long.)
Its time for us Femdom enthusiasts (and otheres) to stand up and be counted!!
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stephen
GR8 SUB 4F <gr8s...@aol.com> wrote:
>I seriously doubt Stephanie's polite explanation that ACS @ Wizvax had
>become too burdensome because Netters have become "too stupid" to use it.
>
>So what if some idiot had changed their ID to match their wi number?
Simple, others might think they are sending anon mail to win...@wizvax.com
when they are actually sending mail (with their real return address) to
win...@foo.bar.com. welcome to the net, where forgery and fraud are everyday
normal things.
>
>The real reason is that ACS @ Wizvax is operated by a company, a business,
>who now sees that providing this service exposes them to the rabid
>liability monster that has become a permanent fixture on the American
>landscape.
It would really help if you did a little background research before spouting
off and ranting about things you know nothing about. Stephanie and wizvax
are almost one and the same entity in that she formed and ran wizvax. I
remember when she originally picked up the ball (and the code) when the
original anon site was shut down. The original wizvax was in her house, as
I recall which meant she was paying for the utilities and connections
herself, not stealing bandwidth from some company or University.
Now I see wizvax is a consulting and internet access business run by
Stephanie (Congrats if you are reading this, Steph!) and when one is
running a business one has little time for administrating something as
annoying as ACS.
>
>I'm sure that the recent capitulation of Anon.penet after being sued, by
>divulging the ID of some people who used the service to post messages to
>alt.religion.scientology has a LOT to do with the decision.
>
>Why should Wizvax be brave, when it isn't making them money?
I'm sure those of us who remember Ms. Gilgutand have seen her on the net over
it's whole existance, know that she's done
more brave things than you could probably do in a dozen lifetimes.
--
stephen, who always wished he had bought the sun that the anon software
first ran on.
MK aka Casey Hamilton
> GR8 SUB 4F (gr8s...@aol.com) wrote:
> : The real reason is that ACS @ Wizvax is operated by a company, a business,
> : who now sees that providing this service exposes them to the rabid
> : liability monster that has become a permanent fixture on the American
> : landscape.
Idiot. More like a toad using wizvax to spam the net with a pyramid
scheme, and the resulting flood of e-mail crashed the system.
> : I'm sure that the recent capitulation of Anon.penet after being sued, by
> : divulging the ID of some people who used the service to post messages to
> : alt.religion.scientology has a LOT to do with the decision.
>
> I agree completely. I was going to mention that I had heard of this on a
> local net about 1 month ago. Someone had uploaded the case description.
> (It was very long.)
>
> Its time for us Femdom enthusiasts (and otheres) to stand up and be counted!!
Oh, and Eightmeg is your *real* name, dearie?
+ + + +
I think I think; therefore, I think I am. - Ambrose Bierce
+======================================================================+
MK aka Casey Hamilton (No wannas, please; Ed/Equus and the
03/19/1995 Weaselboy are QUITE enough for me
to deal with!)
Ms. Margo
: I agree completely. I was going to mention that I had heard of this on a
: local net about 1 month ago. Someone had uploaded the case description.
: (It was very long.)
: Its time for us Femdom enthusiasts (and otheres) to stand up and be
: counted!!
Will someone tell me what the hell 8meg is talking about???
Very truly yours,
Ms. Margo
Who will stand up and be counted, but not on the bones of the Wizvax.
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ma...@netcom.com
Please don't send wanna's, as I'm having a hell of a time with the men
that I have.
Eightmeg
: Will someone tell me what the hell 8meg is talking about???
I read about a month ago how Scientology went to the anon service to get
someones name. They had all the legal documents they needed because they
were after someone who had published copyrighted Scientology material on
the internet. Someone who was very high in there ranks but then
"defected." So they went to the guys house and took several computers
and electronic equipment etc...
Leonard
: Ms. Margo (ma...@netcom.com) wrote:
: : Will someone tell me what the hell 8meg is talking about???
: I read about a month ago how Scientology went to the anon service to get
: someones name. They had all the legal documents they needed because they
: were after someone who had published copyrighted Scientology material on
: the internet. Someone who was very high in there ranks but then
: "defected." So they went to the guys house and took several computers
: and electronic equipment etc...
I believe the Finnish authorities merely appeared at Julf's and rather
than have them seize anything, he provided the court-mandated
information-the identity off the party accused of copyright infringement.
Not quite as dramatic.
Leonard:
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Jahwar
Eightmeg <eigh...@cyberverse.com> wrote:
> I read about a month ago how Scientology went to the anon service to get
> someones name.
> So they went to the guys house and took several computers
> and electronic equipment etc...
Eightmeg is confusing two cases. The person who runs the penet.fi
anonymous server gave the Finnish police the e-mail address of one
user when the police showed him their search warrent.
The Scientologists served a warrent on a person in California and
seized his computer equipment.
Jahwar
novice
>someones name. They had all the legal documents they needed because they
>were after someone who had published copyrighted Scientology material on
>the internet. Someone who was very high in there ranks but then
>"defected." So they went to the guys house and took several computers
>and electronic equipment etc...
Its not quite as cut and dried as that, Eightmeg. They went to the anon
service, showed the guy a couple of documents, and the guy caved in and
released the names. The guy could very easily have retained legal
counsel, and the lawsuit to release the names could be in the courts
until long after all
of us are deceased. Of course, that would cost money, and it might not
work, and as I understand it, the guy who runs the anon service wasn't
interested in spending that type of money to defend the secrecy of the
names. And I can't blame him. Its one thing if a business you have a
relationship with agrees to keep the names confidential, come hell or
high waters. Its another thing if someone just volunteers to keep names
secret out of the generousity of their heart. The customer of the
business can sue for any violation of the contract between the customer
and the business. The anon service, which didn't charge any money,
didn't create a contract, and therefore, the anon service couldn't be
sued for violation of a contract which didn't exist.
Ms. Margo
: Ms. Margo (ma...@netcom.com) wrote:
: : Will someone tell me what the hell 8meg is talking about???
: I read about a month ago how Scientology went to the anon service to get
: someones name. They had all the legal documents they needed because they
: were after someone who had published copyrighted Scientology material on
: the internet. Someone who was very high in there ranks but then
: "defected." So they went to the guys house and took several computers
: and electronic equipment etc...
O.K., now first let's get the story straight. The Finish police did have
a warrent to seize the computer which Julf owns which runs anon.penet.fi.
It was as a result of a computer break-in at the church of scientology -
the stolen material was later posted to the Net through penet.fi.
*BUT* the police did not take "several computers and electronic
equiptment". They had he warrent to do so, but offered Julf the option of
giving the name that belonged to the thief's anon address instead of
having the equiptment seized. After long hard debate he unhappily gave
them the name.
Julf has always maintained that he did not want any illegal activities
conducted through his system and that he could not protect people who did
so. Penet.fi is offered free to the Internet community, including the
time to administer it and deal with problems. It is a true service to us
all, as the ACS at Wizvax was before it shut down.
Now then, second, my comment as to what the hell you were talking about
was because I didn't understand what all this had to do with standing up
and being counted...care to clarify?
Very truly yours,
Ms. Margo
Eightmeg
In article <margoD5...@netcom.com> you wrote:
: Eightmeg (eigh...@cyberverse.com) wrote:
: Julf has always maintained that he did not want any illegal activities
: conducted through his system and that he could not protect people who did
: so. Penet.fi is offered free to the Internet community, including the
: time to administer it and deal with problems. It is a true service to us
: all, as the ACS at Wizvax was before it shut down.
: Now then, second, my comment as to what the hell you were talking about
: was because I didn't understand what all this had to do with standing up
: and being counted...care to clarify?
shutting down, therefore everyone who is using the anonymous posting
service will no longer be able to post anonymously. They will then hav
to use their real name and I suspect that there are quite a few posts
here that wouldn't be here without the anon. service because some people
are afrid of having their name here But that if they want to post in
the future, they will have to use their real handle, at least.
My handle here is Eightmeg, but my real name is Slave Mike on
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