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Gerald P Gillespie
God will send your souls to an end-less abyss of hell-fire. Repent for
you sins while you still can.
Minister Bob
Paul Traina
> God will send your souls to an end-less abyss of hell-fire. Repent for
>you sins while you still can.
I repent; you're absolutely right -- SM is evil and bad.
Now go away.
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The fact that 47 PEOPLE are yelling and sweat is cascading
down my SPINAL COLUMN is fairly enjoyable!!
Young Rob Jellinghaus
> God will send your souls to an end-less abyss of hell-fire. Repent for
>you sins while you still can.
Yeh, 'n we havin' a whole lotta fun goin' down!!!
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David Edward Weiss
If I'm going to hell, I hope to get there first and save seats
for everyone else. You keep your bibles, I'll keep my handcuffs...
DaVE
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"I'm on the Highway to Hell!" --AC/DC
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Firebreather the ill-Tempered
Um, I'm confused! Is that ``if we do not repent God will not let us go
to an end-less abyss of hell-fire,'' or is it that you are against God and are
urging us to resist his temptation of sending us to said abyss?
Please! Be specific! Is that a threat or a promise? (I do so often
get them confused) Don't be such a tease!! What do we have to do to get sent to
an end-less abyss of hell-fire? And do we repent more or do more sins to earn
extra bonuses like chains and whips and flails and icecubes and feathers and being
brutally forced into unspeakable sexual acts with succubi and demons? Oh, my!
The very thought of a place where *anything* can be done to ones body, with the
absolute assurance that you cannot be killed by it, and it just goes on
forever...
Oh, God, you can't just leave me in this state! Go on! Tell me more!
The Beast
P.S. (Oh, please do forgive me for this heinous waste
of bandwidth, but I just *couldn't* resist. Please
forgive me, oh please, oh master, i didn't
mean it, i wont do it again, dont! please
no, masterrrrgggggggllllaaaararrrrrraaaaaaaayyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuu! ;)
Rich Chandler
I have a fear that when I go to hell, I'll be dumped in a room full of
bible-thumping bigots....
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In a truly D/S relationship, shouldn't that be "Insignificant Other"?
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"The U.S. Constitution has its flaws, but it's a damn sight better than what
we have now!"
Leonard Erickson
> God will send your souls to an end-less abyss of hell-fire. Repent for
>you sins while you still can.
Endless hellfire? Sounds great!
And why should I repent when I'm enjoying it so much.
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Leonard Erickson ...!tektronix!reed!percival!bucket!leonard
CIS: [70465,203]
"Oregon Guild Gold Card -- don't leave home without it!"
Stuart Rubio
>>Yeh, 'n we havin' a whole lotta fun goin' down!!!
>
>I have a fear that when I go to hell, I'll be dumped in a room full of
>bible-thumping bigots....
>
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>In a truly D/S relationship, shouldn't that be "Insignificant Other"?
I am not sure which I dislike more, the wordgames or your insistance
on trading such exchanges with "unregulars".
Let us face facts, huh, in a group like this one, we have to tolerate
and expect people from other groups to be upset with our subject matter.
They are a lot more self-conscious about what they say and do than we
are. If you post in groups like this one, you have to have a fair
degree of thick skin. Thin-skined people just do not survive here.
As for the bible-thumping, if I had a religion, a belief in some
ultimate force that could and did interact on the human plain, I
would probably be inclined to attack anyone who demonstrated the
deviance portrayed by this group. So what? What did our misbegotten
friend from whatever net-afiliation get out of our group? His advise
was unsolicitted, and as such, unwelcome, but his kind always are,
outside of their own environment. Leave him and his issues and
problems to himself.
While I dislike the use of SO to begin with, I can not see the
difference between the two; significant other or insignificant other.
They are, again, wordgames. Why play?
Peace and long live,
Stuart
Rich Chandler
>I am not sure which I dislike more, the wordgames or your insistance
>on trading such exchanges with "unregulars".
Huh?
>Let us face facts, huh, in a group like this one, we have to tolerate
>and expect people from other groups to be upset with our subject matter.
>They are a lot more self-conscious about what they say and do than we
>are. If you post in groups like this one, you have to have a fair
>degree of thick skin. Thin-skined people just do not survive here.
I think you have mistaken me for the original "Repent" poster.
>While I dislike the use of SO to begin with, I can not see the
>difference between the two; significant other or insignificant other.
>They are, again, wordgames. Why play?
I was just making a joke. I didn't think I needed smileys.
On another subject, that "Thick Skinned" comment brings something else
to mind. Does anyone else perceive that people into B/D/S/M are more
"In the closet" than say, homosexuals in the '60's?
It seems that the only way to broach the subject to most people is to
make some kind of joke. It seems to be a common activity that few
admit to.
My friends know about my tastes, but it came out as a long running gag *
before they eventually adjusted to the idea that I was serious.
* Running Gag: Bondage Equipment for Joggers.
Jeff Dauber
>
>On another subject, that "Thick Skinned" comment brings something else
>to mind. Does anyone else perceive that people into B/D/S/M are more
>"In the closet" than say, homosexuals in the '60's?
I don't think this is the case. I know very few people who are into
S&M/B&D who are not fairly open about it. Of course, I need to admit two
things. One, my group of friends is not typical. Two, until recently I
thought that vanilla sex included S&M.
>My friends know about my tastes, but it came out as a long running gag *
>before they eventually adjusted to the idea that I was serious.
I don't think that anyone doubted my intentions for a minute. Sometimes it
takes people a while to admit to kinkiness though...
>* Running Gag: Bondage Equipment for Joggers.
If you are going to make puns like this, let me tie you up first. I know
just what to do to people who make jokes like this...
Jeff
-FWA
Harry Ugol
>In article <1990Nov22.0...@wam.umd.edu> mau...@wam.umd.edu (Rich Chandler) writes:
>>
>>On another subject, that "Thick Skinned" comment brings something else
>>to mind. Does anyone else perceive that people into B/D/S/M are more
>>"In the closet" than say, homosexuals in the '60's?
>
>I don't think this is the case. I know very few people who are into
>S&M/B&D who are not fairly open about it. Of course, I need to admit two
>things. One, my group of friends is not typical. Two, until recently I
>thought that vanilla sex included S&M.
>
One, I don't think you *know* any straight people, dear, except maybe
at work (hetero, probably; straight... what would you *do* with a
straight person?) (Quick personal-dictionary definition: straight/gay
is not the same as heterosexual/homosexual. The latter is a
preference, the former an attitude to society and life in general.
See "conform".). Two, although most people on the net probably know
this by now, you had the good fortune to be born completely and
utterly without a sense of shame. You may still not realize how
different this makes you from most people.
In general I think it is very easy for people who are members of the
majority except for some of their preferred sexual activities to be
more closeted than people who are homosexual; it's in the dynamics of
the closet itself. A closet is available only to members of an
oppressed or otherwise looked-down-upon minority who have the option
of passing as members of the majority unless their behavior proves
otherwise. Black people and women, for example, with some very rare
exceptions, do not have the option of the closet. Gay people do. SM
people do. While I'm on or at least near the subject, let me say to
those who haven't thought about it before that, for me at least, the
option of being able to avoid persecution at the expense of being
one's self is one of the most subtly, invidiously terrible options of
all. It's only after you come out of the closet that you realize how
much of your life you sacrificed. I'm still paying for spending my
adolescence in the closet, and will for the rest of my life.
Anyway, the less of your life that is covered by the area in which you
have the option of being in the closet, the easier it is not to be
forced out. Once again, blacks and women are forced out from the
moment they're born. Gays are out in large numbers; one's sexuality
is in most cases a large part of one's life (even for people, unlike
Jeff and me and others, who do not claim a blood relationship to the
pig). A preference for SM is even subtler than a preference for sex
with one's own gender; the corresponding need and option to get out of
the closet is much smaller. I know hetero people who are into SM and
out of the closet. I don't think I know any straight people by that
description; I almost think that's inherent in the (again, my)
definition of the word.
>
>I don't think that anyone doubted my intentions for a minute. Sometimes it
>takes people a while to admit to kinkiness though...
>
Jeff love, with all due love and respect, in my experience you're as
subtle as a flung brick. (Everyone else should know that I knew,
before making that remark, that Jeff would take it as a compliment.)
Harry Ugol
UUCP: {backbone}!sun!warpten!harryu
ARPA: har...@warpten.EBay.sun.com
"Rivendell household rule #1 (taken from Mark Twain): If you can't
stand solitude, perhaps you bore others too."
Paul Traina
<In a truly D/S relationship, shouldn't that be "Insignificant Other"?
I _know_ that was just a joke. But in a truly D/S relationship, _both_
Others are a hell of a lot more significant than participants of any vanilla
relationship could ever hope for.
Please think twice before trying to be "clever." Your posting was rather
offensive to those of us who do take it to heart.
--
Hello? Enema Bondage? I'm calling because I want to be happy, I guess.. -- Zippy
Rich Chandler
> I _know_ that was just a joke. But in a truly D/S relationship, _both_
>Others are a hell of a lot more significant than participants of any vanilla
>relationship could ever hope for.
>
> Please think twice before trying to be "clever." Your posting was rather
>offensive to those of us who do take it to heart.
I think the most important thing is to be able to laugh at oneself. If you
can't do that, then you're too damn serious. I think Scenes should be
enjoyable, not grim.
Of course one's partner is the most important person in the world. This is
why I could never go to a "Professional" domme or respond to a personal ad
containing the word "generous" or asking for money to get a response.
That sort of "consideration" reveals a greater love of money than people.
Anyway, I find humor is a great way to break the ice. That running gag I
used to let my feelings known on a local board (When I lived in Philly)
took the form of a catchphrase "Hot Oriental Leather Goddesses in Bondage"
which lasted longer than any other joke on the board (and still gets mentioned
today). The other was a reference to a certain female user, along with 700'
of cotton clothesline and a stepladder. We got a whole number of jokes going
the result being that some people figured out how I felt, without them thinking
I was a sicko.
Then again, I wasn't the strangest person on the board by a long shot. One
person, a former housemate of mine, was on Geraldo, talking about gender
reassignment surgery, but freaked the poor guy out by mentioning that "he"
wanted to become a Lesbian after surgery. I guess I was comparitively easy
to accept....
Anyway, that was also how I came out of the "Closet" .
Lee Lady
>Of course one's partner is the most important person in the world. This is
>why I could never go to a "Professional" domme or respond to a personal ad
>containing the word "generous" or asking for money to get a response.
>That sort of "consideration" reveals a greater love of money than people.
I can respect your feelings that your needs could never be met by a
professional. I myself tend to feel somewhat the same. However as one who
knows several professional dominatrices, I think your posting makes it
obvious that you have never met one. The professional dominatrices I
have known have been women who care about their clients, care about their
skill, and have invested a lot of time and effort into becoming as skillful
as they can.
The thing about money is something that anyone whose profession involves
helping people has to come to terms with. Whether one is a healer, or an
artist, or a counselor, or a professional dominatrix, it is still necessary
to earn money. The fact that one cares about people, and genuinely wants
to help them, shouldn't be in contradiction to the fact that one wants
as good a standard of living as other people, and that one deserves to be
remunerated for one's skills.
--
Lee Lady la...@well.sf.ca.us
"Ninety percent of life is just showing up." --Woody Allen
Gary Fostel
One person wrote:
In a truly D/S relationship, shouldn't that be "Insignificant Other"?
And then another responded:
I _know_ that was just a joke. But in a truly D/S relationship, _both_
Others are a hell of a lot more significant than participants of any
vanilla relationship could ever hope for.
Please think twice before trying to be "clever." Your posting was rather
offensive to those of us who do take it to heart.
I wonder if the second person was also trying to be funny or do they
really think that the nature of the sex determines the nature of the
"significance" of the relationship. Frankly, I think that anyone who
really believes that probably does not know what a significant relationship
is all about.
Perhaps the second person should think twice before trying to be
defensive about their life. There are an awful lot of people who
might disagree pretty strongly with that opinion as well. The kettle
may be black here but the pot has a lot to learn too.
----GaryFostel---- Department of Computer Science
North Carolina State University
Fritz SANDS
>In a truly D/S relationship, shouldn't that be "Insignificant Other"?
No. In some, not in others.
Fritz