Ray's lies about Michelle exposed (again) (was Re: ATTN: Guy696969 IF I CAN'T GET YOU ... )
James L. King III
<19990910.171109.-523055....@juno.com>, Outfoxing
The Foxes <outfoxxxxin...@juno.com> wrote:
> Some Guy Writes:
>
> > Look at the guy who's advice you're taking...he's lied about having a
> > girlfriend...his advice is contradictory on a daily basis...and he
> > actually brags about waiting for other guys to dump the girl he wants
> so
> > he might have a chance at her.
> >
> > <----This from the man who hits on said girlfriend repeatedly, and the
> > girlfriend posted we "may be meeting soon..." minor technicality!
> >
>
> Isn't this the same girlfriend that you said was a drug-using liar and
> an empty-net goal AND was someone that Foxhunters should avoid?
> Ray, either you're lying about all that, or you're lying that she's
> "all that," so to speak. It wouldn't be the first time you've lied,
> though.
>
> <-----All I said was she wanted to meet me.
You've said much more than that. I have the other posts where you say
she's of higher quality than everyone in this group combined. Then I
have the posts where you accuse her of lying and using illegal drugs. I
don't know what type of person Michelle really is, but your
descriptions of her don't make it easy to determine. Do I believe that
she's of such high quality that she's worth waiting for? Or do I
believe that she's of such poor quality that she isn't worth any time
or attention at all?
> I declined for the above
> reasons.
Then how in the world can you continue to call her your girlfriend when
in fact you've never met her and don't even intend on doing so?
The fact that you continue to try to describe her (alternately) as
someone so desirable that she is better than every single woman this
newsgroup has had combined (!!) yet also a drug-addicted homewrecking
liar makes me wonder which is true. Certainly both cannot be true at
the same time, therefore you have lied to the newsgroup.
> Another thing Michelle validates is that I do in fact coach.
> She has turned to me many times for advice for her daughter. Talk about
> the lies.
>
I'll be more than happy to talk about the lies. Let's begin when you
started claiming you had a girlfriend and was "cashing in:"
"Yep, got myself a girlfriend. An 18 year-old ex-gymnast. Cleared the
decks of all other Foxes and CASHED OUT" [6/01/99]
"I waited a while before even saying anything because I wanted to make
sure. Once I was sure I cleared the decks, got rid of EVERY woman I was
talking to other than her, and hooked up. I don't think it was a
mistake at all. " [6/02/99]
"Oh, another thing: Michelle doesn't want you bothering her anymore.
Neither does her new boyfriend [note: presumably Ray?] or any of the
other 30 or so men who have an interest in her." [6/02/99]
"The Foreign Fox Gimmick is an overall attitude which is highly
effective when used properly. I got my current girlfriend, an 18
year-old gymnast, with it. She recommends it to men as well."
[6/10/99]
"Ah, so when Michelle laughed in your face it was just a lost
opportunity on your part....LOL...she just won a bikini contest last
night, btw......LOL...." [6/10/99]
"... I am a bit taken aback by the comments I've received on her looks.
People are saying she's a 6 or a 7. I don't know; makes me wonder how
many of these guys are living in Playboy land because a photo of
someone taken at a beach without makeup is obviously not a glamour
shot. That was intentional, as was my own picture, as I don't believe
in using lighting and photography to counteract nature's deficiencies.
This woman is an ex-gymnast, rock-solid, shapely, quite good-looking
(her body isn't in the photo), and has features which are quite good
(symmetry, etc.), plus her mom is almost 40 and still hot, and she's
nice, kind, ethical, etc., and on top of all that she doesn't mind my
having herpes. I'd say I did fine." [6/14/99]
"If you saw the way my girlfriend rejected him [Odious], you'd
know....... " [6/23/99]
"Odious ... can't even get anywhere with my girlfriend.....who won a
bikini contest not long ago." [6/25/99]
"Well, here's one thing I never told the Foxhunters: if a woman doesn't
want you, and you tell her you will kill yourself if she doesn't have
you, there's a chance you might get her! This is how I lost my last
girlfriend (no, not the 18 year-old), and it was an eye-opener. She
chose me, and while breaking up with him he threatened to kill himself,
and since her previous boyfriend had also killed himself, she panicked
and reversed course ... So I guess it's back to "sarging" for me
(though not with that method) ... I was definitely played here."
[6/27/99]
"If you want to define a "toxic" female, Michelle Isham could be the
poster child. A stripper in Las Vegas (currently injured), drug user
(pot and ecstasy), and, as many in this group have pointed out, a
LIAR." [6/27/99]
"My initial interest in Michelle came when she impersonated National
Team member Tasha Schwikert and sought me out for the purpose of my
"coaching" her (or advising or whatever you call it). In this process
Michelle, as Tasha, came onto me repeatedly, telling me she "loved" me
(Michelle claimed later on she really did), but I had no interest in
Tasha though I did like Michelle." [6/27/99]
"It was only because of my post that Michelle's true identity was
uncovered ... An interesting sideline developed in this mess a few
months ago. Once I realized I was no longer talking to Tasha (she had
given up the screen name after a few weeks), I had no interest in
coaching her obviously, or in talking to Michelle, who was still
claiming she loved me." [6/27/99]
"After a few weeks of more lies and game-playing, Michelle finally
decided she was going to choose me. UNTIL Chris told her that if she
did that, he was going to kill himself. Michelle was very torn with
this, since she had already lost a lover to suicide ... and couldn't
bear to lose another one." [6/27/99]
"Criminal behavior seems to be Michelle's answer for everything. Sad.
Matt's another real winner: he's a chef at the Excalibur, having lost
his $60k a year job at another hotel because he mouthed off to his
bosses (according to Michelle), but with her stripping they seem to be
making ends meet, though an injury to her knee has harmed her income
lately." [6/27/99]
"I landed a girlfriend in 90 minutes with it [the Foreign Fox
Gimmick]." [6/30/99]
"Michelle WAS my girlfriend....um, for a few seconds here and there,
maybe, like I think, like she was real confused and wanted to play not
only the field, but the stadium, and had a habit of OMITTING things and
maybe LYING about others." [7/03/99]
"Scoring is not easy for ANY man. I've said before, in a pickup contest
I'd rather just show up with my girlfriend and let the other
contestants try to match it." [7/04/99]
"My girlfriend rejected him [Odious] cold." [7/15/99]
"I'm her boyfriend when I WANT to be pretty much." [7/16/99]
"yes Michelle and I are in a relationship ..." [7/16/99]
"You want him [Odious], you can have him. Maybe we should converse only
through this newsgroup for the time being, so there is no doubt as to
what is said between us." [7/17/99]
"I'm 32 and never married, have a girlfriend, and many other options if
that one doesn't pan out." [7/19/99]
Michelle posts: "Iam [sic] not with either odious or ray" [7/19/99]
"Women like Michelle prove how insipid SS is when the target is
half-intelligent. If all you want to sleep with are stupid sluts, Ross
is your man. Women who are honest or who value honesty don't go near
SS types. Some of those women are quite sexy." [7/20/99]
"First off, my thanks to the brothers in the newsgroup for pointing out
that my "girlfriend" was lying to me. When we were on the phone this
morning and she was swearing up and down that she was, I knew better
and told her I won't be talking to her until she absolutely proves
without any doubt that she's my lover." [7/21/99]
"NOTE TO MICHELLE: I'll be out getting laid tonight since I don't have
a girlfriend." [7/21/99]
"Now if you will excuse me, I have a lady to tend to who has been
feeling a bit neglected the last few days and is tired of fending off
liars and losers. Cya." [7/23/99]
"I stopped an SSer cold who wanted my lady and couldn't get anywhere
with her." [7/24/99]
"No, that's you trying to act like you weren't rejected by my
girlfriend. Pathetic loser. Get Michelle to post here that she's not
my girlfriend if you're so confident. Go ahead. She does that she
never hears from me again, which is why she won't do it. I haven't
decided whether to require her to post her love for me here before I
talk to her again, but perhaps I should." [7/24/99]
"unless of course Michelle posts a message out here that she wants to
talk to me, and a note to her, don't post it unless you're willing to
have sex with me so there is NO DOUBT about your intentions." [7/24/99]
"Michelle's words speak for themselves ... [Michelle posts on 7/24/99:
I'm so in love with you ray.]" [7/25/99]
"If Michelle was out to dump me, her strategy was to rely on my fear of
commitment by telling me she loves me ... so far Michelle has met EVERY
requirement for keeping my interest." [7/25/99]
"My girlfriend posted here. [She] was on her way to the 1988 Olympic
Gymnastics team before she blew her knee out ... in the future I may
require ALL my lovers to post here. Then again, if the current one I'm
pursuing/with works out, I may be off the market for good." [7/25/99]
"She's just 2,500 miles away at this time. If and when I hook up with
her, we can catch up pretty quickly." [7/25/99]
"I date only women who are 18-21 years old, and who are formally
trained dancers." [7/26/99]
"Now, I don't want to write Michelle off totally, but there's no way I
can speak to her again until we resolve this USENET crap ... she has
not proven that she wants me and only me ... I will leave it to her to
be willing to prove, beyond all doubt, that I was not lying and she was
not forging her posts. Since our "relationship" is already public, I
say we should go all the way with it if she's serious and set a new
standard for backing up internet postings ... Can you say 'webcast?'
... I also think the group should follow my lead and only post in the
future about relationships they have if they are willing to have
actual, live sex over the internet." [7/27/99]
"Now, I am either in or out of circulation, right now in
semi-circulation, more concerned with my website than relationships.
Michelle had said she wanted to hook up; I gave her the benefit of the
doubt. Perhaps down the road she'll meet my requirement; if not, let
someone else here who was pursuing her post their proof." [7/29/99]
"But since you're into talking about Michelle, did you know she is a
DRUG ADDICT? That's the reason I didn't want her. Plus her face is
ugly. Don't blame me for bringing that up, but Michelle does drugs on
a regular basis. I have overheard her husband Matt call their seven
year-old daughter a 'slut'" [8/05/99]
"[Michelle is] a drug-addicted stripper who has put her seven year-old
daughter's life in jeopardy with irresponsible parenting, and who
exposes her to an abusive father." [8/05/99]
"If there is a mindrapist here, it is MICHELLE, who sought me out and
pretended to be a 14 year-old gymnast." [8/05/99]
"I have already moved on to other women. Michelle even posted that she
loves a guy named Chris." [8/05/99]
"She [Michelle] was talking to me as of last night." [8/06/99]
"I used to talk to her all the time. Now I don't talk to her. She's
too dishonest." [8/06/99]
"Michelle does use drugs on a regular basis." [8/06/99]
"After a while, I ... continued talking to Michelle, who had expressed
a strong interest in me which I did not return because she was married
with children (that is what I recommend to Foxhunters). She continued
to pursue me for several months after that." [8/17/99]
"Who said I went for her? SHE is the one who claimed to LOVE me. I
just said I had seduced her, and I did. Very well, I might add. Too
bad you don't get it and never will." [8/17/99]
"by the way, Michelle still talks to me regularly." [8/17/99]
"Truth be told, I was interested in coaching her daughter for the 2008
olympics...." [8/18/99]
"Perhaps one day this group will realized why I passed on this woman
[Michelle]. Foxhunters are too smart and dignified to ever let
themselves get hooked up with TRASH...." [8/18/99]
"Odious can't do that. He thinks he's discrediting me by defending a
piece of drug-addicted street trash." [8/18/99]
"I'm done with Michelle." [8/18/99]
"Michelle can go fuck herself: she LIED about me and seemed to want
to inflict damage on me because she was rejected by me." [8/18/99]
"Well I never met her offline (resisted several urges to due to red
flags), but I got involved primiarly because her daughter is a gifted
gymnast, she was not doing a very good job with her daughter (she'd
lose her cool a lot and was irresponsible in general), plus I had
learned that Dominique had sent her to talk to me, which is how she
seems to prefer to stay in touch. Michelle is a very skilled dancer
and quite sexy. Obviously, for no sane man would tolerate a
personality like that for long. I sure didn't." [8/18/99]
"Michelle may be sexy, but she is 27, married, and has three children."
[8/18/99]
"Actually, that is not the case. Michelle pursued me relenetlessly
[sic] for a few months, and I rejected her (for a relationship)."
[8/18/99]
"Michelle became very attracted to me and very jealous of Dominique at
the same time. She is 27 years old with three children and is
married." [8/18/99]
"Doesn't look like you respect women too much yourself, or maybe
drug-addicted street trash like Michelle who is ruining her daughter's
lief [sic] are more your style" [8/18/99]
"Once I learned Michelle had begun impersonating Tasha (I talked to
Tasha but only for a few weeks), I told her she had defrauded me and
that I wanted nothing further to do with her. At this point, she
refused to leave me alone, contacting me on an almost daily basis,
telling me she loved me, that she wanted to be with me, etc. I told
her that her lies made that impossible." [8/18/99]
"As for me, I'll be out with other women. Michelle may be sexy, but
she's a compulsive liar, a drug-addict, a mother who put her daughter's
life in danger (real danger, not a wish), and someone who has a failed
marriage under her belt. If I'm a loser for avoiding that, so be it.
Let me lose every day. Most SSers would have wound up trapped so badly
in her life that they would be lucky to get out alive. Through
Foxhunting, I AVOIDED the mess." [8/18/99]
"Well it's not like I wasn't talking to other women at the same
time...Michelle just has a VERY gifted gymnast for a daughter and that
goes beyond sex. Is she messed up? Who isn't? ... Now we're just back
to getting along very well." [9/06/99]
"Actually Michelle isn't messed up, but she's covering for someone who
is. There's this 17 year-old runaway gymnast who is quite obsessed
with me, and used Michelle to keep tabs on me." [9/06/99]
"The second person I ever met online was a female whose quality is
greater than every lay this group has ever had, COMBINED. So what if I
chose to wait 5-6 years for her to figure herself out?" [9/06/99]
"Other women are MEANINGLESS compared to the league I play in."
[9/06/99]
"Suffice it to say that we are getting along fine now and should be for
the forseeable future. " [9/06/99]
"Also ignore the post from Michelle yesterday which said we were getting
along fine and might meet soon." [9/7/99]
"Michelle isn't someone I want." [9/10/99]
James King.
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