Ray's Last Post To Odious (Was: Re: Opinions on who are the True PUA's)
James L. King III
<19991008.060102.-301951.2...@juno.com>, Women
Prefer ME <women_purrrr...@juno.com> wrote:
> Some Guy Writes:
>
>
> > Look at MrSex4uNYC - he actively shares what he knows and learns
> > whenever he can - and he's a "Natural". He's got the best of both
> worlds.
> > You wanna call him a loser for trying to expand his range and talking
> to
> > Chumps? I don't think so...
> >
> > <------I look at the way people think I'm some shmuck, yet my real life
> > says otherwise.
>
> Oh yeah, what would you call a 32 year old man who can't hold down a real
> job, who's living at home with mom, who's infected with herpes, and who's
> relegated to running spam scams on usenet?
>
> <--------Scams? I ship my product. You may not find value in it, but
> hundreds of others have.
You can't prove that since you don't offer a money back guarantee. Some
people may not have found any value in it, but they have no recourse.
And fewer than 100 people have written to praise the book.
So I doubt the claim that hundreds of people have found value in it.
> There's no scam: I wrote a book, I published
> it, I sell it. The "living at home" is a bit misleading because my mom
> has a ton of mail order experience, we share computer equipment for our
> work, and I happen to LIKE it here.
Nice rationalizations.
> Can't hold down a real job? Again,
> where'd you get that idea? I held down regular jobs for years before I
> devoted myself to the internet. This is the problem with USENET: you say
> something loud enough and often enough and people believe you. In this
> case some punk kids got really obsessed with what I was writing about
> Dominique being abused, and told some very ridiculous lies about me,
> which you regurgitated without checking for accuracy. Herpes? Hey, 55
> million Americans have it. That was in my stupid days, when I had sex
> with women I barely knew......at least I learned my lesson, and herpes
> isn't AIDS...as a disease, it's not very brutal. Um, would you care to
> give your real name or do I have to sue it out of you?
>
You know, the prudent thing is to ignore all your threats until you
actually follow through.
Which I firmly believe you will never, *ever* do. (Emphasis
intentional.)
>
>
> A guy who is hated by everyone,
>
> <------Classic exaggeration to increase self-importance. I should point
> out that not everyone even comes close to hating me and a number of
> people like me a great deal.
Family doesn't count.
> The ones who like me get threatened if they
> support me publicly, and this discourages them. Come to think of it, you
> aren't very popular out here are you? Then again, most people think
> you're a paid shill for Ross. Are you? I don't know, but I know if I
> sue you that will come out.
>
The prudent thing is to ignore all your threats until you actually
follow through.
Which I firmly believe you will never, *ever* do. (Emphasis
intentional.)
>
>
>
> and who is so terrified of rejection and embarrassment that he
> concocts wildly idiotic schemes to avoid social contact.
>
> <-----No, I figured out how to get gorgeous women to approach me. I use
> a "return of serve" approach where if I'm approached first I then pursue
> once, and forget the women or go out with them from there. My gimmicks
> work fine. Take away all the hype surrounding this group and you have a
> much different story.
Yet, they are not original gimmicks at all. And you just recently
posted a technique for APPROACHING women and dropping a manifesto on
seduction in their lap as a technique for seduction. So why advocate
something that's different from what you are claiming works?
>
>
> A guy who is so pathetic he has to lie about having a girlfriend...only
> to have her come
> to the group and publicly state she was never his girlfriend?
>
> <-----Was that before or after she publicly posted a message saying she
> loved me?
>
> A guy who is so pitiful that he has to bribe women with offers of free
> hypnosis
> lessons to even get them to talk to him?
>
> <-------Hardly. I happen to like hypnosis (hence the name NC17 Hypno),
> and I found that it's a great way to interact with SOME women. Most of
> the women I "bribe" that way now are dancers (hypnotists are ugly and
> messed up anyway) who like learning the skill, like the adventure, and
> are very interesting people to know. That's a "bribe?" LOL In the REAL
> world, people with common interests often hook up. In your world, the
> women just roll over and play dead because of the magic of SS. That's
> another difference between that method and Foxhunting. A Foxhunter
> rejects women who roll over in a half-hour for a guy. The women I get
> tend to be the ones who are SS-immune. As for Michelle, she DID love me
> and probably would post here that she did if I asked her to. She sought
> me out, she pestered me for months, and when she got sick of me ignoring
> her she took up with Chris, but didn't tell me in case I changed my mind.
> She also tells me you hit on her a great deal, and I may ask her to post
> one way or another on that. She's 27, married, with kids, all things I
> normally wouldn't go near, and if it weren't for her daughter's
> gymnastics, or for her impersonating Tasha Schwikert (actually she says
> she didn't impersonate her, and that I did in fact help Tasha), I may
> never have talked to her at all. Did you have a point to make?
>
Yes: you still lied about her. In your early posts, you kept calling
Michelle your girlfriend, and you kept referring to an 18-yr old
ex-gymnast as your girlfriend (the one who won a bikini competition,
who you later identified as Michelle)
The fact is that you intended for us to believe that Michelle was 18,
and you made it a poster event in support of Foxhunting and the Foreign
Fox Gimmick (which you stole from Mr. Kulkis). It was only after
Michelle chose Chris over you that you began posting that she was a 27
year old drug addicted stripper with three kids.
>
>
> A guy like that is not a schmuck, he's beneath the schmucks. A guy like
> that aspires to one day ascend to the level of being a schmuck. For now
> he's little more that an insignificant piece of shit.
>
> <-------Hardly. I'm quite skilled, quite productive, and even with
> herpes I can still get laid. I was stuck on the internet for five years
> chasing two stories (Dominique's abuse and abuses of power on the
> internet), and now that that's done I'm about to sink back into my work.
> Don't assume that because I post here periodically that I have no life.
> If I work an office job I can post from there during lunch; if I work at
> home I can post during my breaks. You really don't know WHAT I do, do
> you? Then again, you were the one who claimed to have my picture not
> long ago, remember that? The picture wasn't me but you concocted some
> story about how you got it from a woman I had sent it to when that wasn't
> true either.....you want to talk about LIES? Seems you have quite a bit
> of them there.
>
> I suspect within a few years' time, most of the men who post here are
> going to view this period of their lives as a very dark one, and severely
> regret the approach they took with women. I grant you this much: this is
> not my target market.
Then why the hell do you continue to post to a non-target market?
> On the other hand, I feel I have as much right to
> post here as myself as anyone else. I never see you attacking John Eagan
> as a scam artist or a phony or reporting him to his ISP for posting ads
> for his book to this NG; same for the getgirls.com website.
That's because they're easy to filter out. They don't change their
email address on a frequent basis to bypass everyone's filters.
>
> You raise such serious issues with your postings that this is really not
> the place to deal with you. A court of law is. Due process is only
> fair, as is knowing who my accuser is. I've been accused of being a
> pedophile, a scam artist, and several other things I don't think you'll
> be able to prove very easily. And since I'm leaving the internet except
> for business (again, don't draw conclusions based on my posting habits
> because the internet is very portable these days), you're not going to
> have very much to argue with.
he prudent thing is to ignore all your threats until you actually
follow through.
Which I firmly believe you will never, *ever* do. (Emphasis
intentional.)
>
> The funniest thing here is that I spent several years dealing with a
> female who is so far beyond anything this group could ever pick up
> (except for the guy with the Playboy Playmates), and it was her who
> taught me how to deal with the rest of the female population. You act as
> a commentator on who I am but behind the scenes you work to harm me, you
> and others have bothered my friends and my supporters, and then you act
> like I have no friends. Get real. The best place to solve this problem
> presented by you is in the media and the courts. Many journalists have
> already dealt with Ross, and my story isn't exactly so unbelievable.
> Then of course there is Bishop and his threats, which speak for
> themselves.
>
he prudent thing is to ignore all your threats until you actually
follow through.
Which I firmly believe you will never, *ever* do. (Emphasis
intentional.)
> While all of this is going on, Foxhunting is STILL the best strategic
> seduction method I know of, although I have to concede superiority in the
> short-term to the PUA. A lot of what they do is stuff I make unnecessary
> with Foxhunting, but I have to say I'm very impressed with Mystery and
> some of the others who have been able to explain how to navigate the
> nightlife, which was never my strong suit (my book was written for men
> who don't want that garbage). I now know that there are ways to get a
> woman into bed quickly, though using them is still something I wouldn't
> recommend, for the guy's sake more than the woman's, because all you are
> usually going to pick up is trash, and maybe and STD or two, maybe HIV.
>
As I have posted before, your chances of contracting HIV from one
incident of unprotected sex from someone of unknown HIV status is 1 in
700.
> Don't even try to tell me that anyone on this group is sexually
> responsible.
I'm sure you don't want to believe that. Yet some of us are.
> It's easy to think that all women are sluts when you ignore
> the ones who aren't because they have rejected you.
It's easy to categorize the entire group of women who reject you and
give them a quality simply because they've rejected you. But that's not
really accurate.
> Those women are the
> ones who usually wind up seeking me out because they find me different
> from the slime who is constantly hitting on them. You make me out to be
> some loser but I've had a purpose for being on the net for the past five
> years, though it was one I couldn't really talk about very easily. The
> secondary purpose was one I could talk about, but that only exposed the
> problems with the internet. You really don't have a clue what's going on
> out here, or if you do, you are part of the problem.
>
> From this point on, you won't be paid much mind by me. Your libel
> against me has been cataloged and will be converted into a complaint
> against you, which will result in a judgment against you, and as you
> continue to talk to the wind, you'll find there's nothing you can do to
> stop this. Even as my income continues to rise, my position in society
> continues to rise, and my love life rebuilds from my stupidity with
> Michelle (she was more the exception that proves my rules), you'll keep
> howling, oblivious to reality, supporting Ross, and treating your sluts
> like the bad girls they are (watch out for HIV though), and you won't be
> leaving much of a mark on this world. I'll be continuing my crusades
> against child abuse, employment discrimination, sexual harassment,
> racism, child abuse, and internet abuses of power.
>
he prudent thing is to ignore all your threats until you actually
follow through.
Which I firmly believe you will never, *ever* do. (Emphasis
intentional.)
> What are you, 21 years old? Very young, barely an adult, very cocky, and
> very stupid. It's reflected in the way you behave out here, and it's
> reflected in the way you have made yourself vulnerable to me legally.
> You don't understand political activism or political actvists. You think
> everyone's goal in life is to be popular. It's not. I don't care who
> likes me or who does not. I care when people start violating my rights.
> The courts care as well. They don't like bullies who think that they can
> violate the law at will, because people like you take up their time and
> they get VERY annoyed at that. One key factor in any lawsuit is what
> both parties did to resolve the dispute in good faith.
he prudent thing is to ignore all your threats until you actually
follow through.
Which I firmly believe you will never, *ever* do. (Emphasis
intentional.)
> There is no good
> faith with you, just one unfounded attack after another, and for the
> purposes of promoting Ross Jeffries, a man who thinks he can stand in
> front of the world, tell women he can seduce them within an hour of
> meeting them, and who thinks that women becoming aware of his methods
> will not make them even slightly more immune to them. I'd love to see
> what the mainstream public has to say about that.
>
> Now if you will excuse me, I know a few LOCAL dancers who have an
> interest in hypnosis, and while I may have BRIBED them, at least it
> worked, it didn't cost me any money, and it isolated some gorgeous Foxes
> with incredible minds who don't mind hanging out with me, and don't mind
> that the primary theme of the interaction is sexual. Oh, and I don't
> even have to go out with them, just to their place, for an evening at a
> time, where we practice these highly sexual techniques, maybe getting
> involved, maybe not. One trick to this art is never seducing any
> individual hypnosis student, but simply letting nature take its course.
> Perhaps the day you acquire a sense of self you will move past blind
> pickups, which are very lame, and very high-risk sexually.
>
> Have a lovely time out here. And see you in court, stupid little punk.
> You're all mouth with absolutely nothing to back it up, and such a
> pathetic coward that you can't even give your real name. Don't worry,
> once I find it out I suspect there's probably a lot you want hidden, a
> lot that will be revealed.
he prudent thing is to ignore all your threats until you actually
follow through.
Which I firmly believe you will never, *ever* do. (Emphasis
intentional.)
James King
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