Step #1 For AFC'S
James L. King III
Liar wrote:
> There's a lot of talk about visualization on this newsgroup.
> Visualization is something I've been practicing my entire life, and it's
> a lifeblood of sorts for me. I take it very much for granted, and it's
> one reason I never needed to buy Ross's products. The first time I heard
> about Ross Jeffries, in fact, was on AOL from someone who was interested
> in hypnotic seduction and said that Ross was the leading authority on it.
> This was in 1995.
>
> I went to Ross's website and found a lot of useful information regarding
> how women think (in fact, it was the first confirmation of theories I had
> been developing along related lines for many years), but I also found
> what I thought was hokey to say the least. Trance-inducing poems, weasel
> phrases, and other techniques that sound a lot better on paper than they
> work in the real world. It's not that you can't use SS to get these
> results, but what you are accomplishing with the NLP is deal-closing. SS
> simply will not work unless you have an existing advantage.
>
So are you saying that it is absolutely and always impossible for Speed
Seduction to ever create any advantage? I believe that premise is
false.
> Before you can put SS effectively into practice, however, you are going
> to have to learn how to execute CHECKMATE. This means the actual sex.
> Even if you think you know what you are doing, you are losing a lot of
> points if you can't be creative enough to turn her on with your sexual
> knowledge. This is why it is VERY important to be able to carry out the
> tail end of a seduction FLAWLESSLY. Without this key ingredient, you
> will find yourself wandering aimlessly.
Why is it that you believe if the male wins (sex in this case), the
woman always loses? The whole analogy to chess and checkmate implies a
winner and a loser.
>
> Ask yourself what you would do if a porn star told you that she would
> give you ONE chance to seduce her. What would you do? How would you
> handle it?
You know, porn stars (save for one I worked with while DJing) have
never really interested me. Sorry to burst your bubble. Some of them
are attractive, and some of them are probably quite intelligent. But
unless they connect with me in a certain way, I'd very likely say
"thanks, but no thanks."
The reality of the people behind the sexual energy is quite
disappointing.
> Could you dominate her for the evening and not lose her? I
> know I can, and I also know that this was not something I learned
> overnight. When I say porn-star I am talking about women who are
> sexually advanced
Sexually advanced how? What exactly defines what is "sexually
advanced?" Sexual intimacy is as varied as people are, and what you may
consider "advanced" may not even be interesting to someone else.
The fact that you use the term "porn-star" implies that you believe
"sexually advanced" means being able to replicate what you see in a
typical porn movie. Well, give me several dozen "takes" with a woman
over a couple of days or so and another day or so of splicing and I can
replicate that quite well. 8 minute long ejaculations from many
different camera angles are simply not in my repertoire, nor will they
ever be.
The porn movies I've been exposed to were sorely lacking in foreplay,
too.
> and require lovers who are the same, or as they say,
> MAN ENOUGH. Are you? This is the CLOSE phase. What you do in bed will
> define who you are more than anything else.
Really? Gee, and all this time I thought it was my musical skill and my
general outlook on life and my patterns of public behavior that defined
who I was to most people. Not many people ask me to describe what I do
in bed.
> Without a CLEAR idea of how
> your sexual experience will go, you will not know what to work for and
> who to work for it with.
>
> Let your first visualizations actually have you performing as a stud with
> a woman. Depending on your personality, this will be a different script
> for each man.
Yet the image is still of a porn movie. Ick.
> The key is to know what you are doing at ALL TIMES. Until
> you are capable of seeing the evening through from start to finish, with
> her satisfied, most of your other efforts will fail. Don't worry about
> how to get her to want sex, but instead worry about what you will do if
> she says YES. Most men know what to do when rejected; sometimes their
> undoing comes when a woman calls their bluff.
>
> Outfoxing The Foxes: How To Seduce The Women Of Your Dreams
>
> This method WORKS. Fifteen years of intense work have produced the most
> intelligent and efficient seduction method EVER.
We have no proof that there is 15 years of work behind your product,
much less any intense work. That's ok, though, you'll be forced in
court to produce that evidence of hard work for 15 years, including
your 10,000+ interviews.
In the past, you've either backpedalled on research claims, saying that
you simply took Darwin's research (which would mean you lied about
doing your own research), or you've deflected the topic by asking for a
PhD from an accredited university before you'd show your research.
Kinda like asking for the diploma before you turn in your dissertation.
Not intelligent, not efficient, not acceptable, and not scientifically
valid.
I have no reason to believe you're telling the truth about your
research, and neither does anyone else. You refuse to release claimed
research data, so I must presume that such data does not exist.
Certainly I cannot base a scientific conclusion on non-existant data.
How do I know that you just didn't take the parts of your research that
supported your claims and use it and discard the rest? That's why I
want to see the raw data. I don't trust you. Nor should anyone trust
you. That's just being scientific.
And I don't care what Darwin had to say about it -- his research isn't
your research unless you've documented how you replicated his studies
and came to the same conclusions. I know what Darwin had to say. I want
to know what *you* found out in 15 years of intense research. I want to
see a hard copy of the 10,000 interviews you gave. I want to see the
statistics you compiled from those interviews. I want to see how you
made sure that the interviews were free from bias that would influence
your decisions (you *did* ask those 10,000 people the same questions in
the same order, right?).
Otherwise, I will continue to say that you are lying about the years of
research. It will be up to you to prove that you are telling the truth
about it if you sue me, which I believe you won't do, but I just want
you to know that I plan to continue to tell people that you are lying
about the research that went into your product.
James King
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Odious
Something tells me that porno movies constitute the loin's share of ray's
sexual experience. I mean this guy just posted a freakin' dissertation
on hypnotic seduction....his own stuff of course, because he'd never
steal from ross and try to pass the stuff off as his own. Well the
highlight of this mongoloid's braying was that he chatted online with a
girl 1500 miles away...because he claimed to know hypnosis and offered to
teach it to her. Then he talked to a stripper, who talked with him
because he claimed to know hypnosis and offered to teach it to her.
So basically ray is trying to brag about going around and trading free
hypnosis lessons for some conversation. No sex, not even anything
nearing sex...just talk. Which really seems to be all ray is capable
of.
THough this will surly go the way of all other of ray's online
romances...he'll maintain some degree of sane behavior for a month or
so. Then he will start to make demands, after he convinces himself he
has control of her. She will freak out and realize what a psychotic
fuckhead ray is and tell him to get lost. Though at this point she will
probably have told him her phone number and address. Or maybe even more
personal things, having believed him to be a sane person worthy of some
trust.
Trust he will quickly abuse as soon as it becomes clear she has seen
through his lies. He continues to go for intelligent women, but never
seems to figure out that the smarter she is, the easier it will be for
her to figure out ray is fucking nuts. So ray will then start to
threaten her and harass her. Having convinced himself she was leading him
on or lying to him, when in fact he was the one lying and she is only
just seeing though his bullshit. He'll threaten he life, that of he
family. He'll demand she profess love for him in public. He'll demand
she come and beg for his forgiveness.
When ray talks about "making women come to him" and "requiring women to
make it up to him when they mistreat him"....this is really what he is
doing. Taking what he knows about them and threatening them...filling
them with fear if they do not do what he tells them. He calls it being
dominant...in fact what he is doing is harassment and blackmail. But in
his fucked up excuse for a mind he's convinced himself this is actually a
seduction method. That is how crazy and psychotic his thinking is.
This is what he did to michelle, and he'll continue to do it again and
again. He is a psychotic predator who delights in causing women fear and
misery. Because he himself has lived a life of nothing but fear and
misery at the hands of women like his mother.
Is it any wonder that this guy is unemployable and has "blutos" beating
the crap out of him on a regular basis? I think it is only a matter of
time before one of these women, or some angry father or brother, takes
ray out.
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