Pedophilia? (Was: An HBs training)
James L. King III
Outfoxing The Foxes <outfoxinn...@juno.com> wrote:
> Some Guy Writes:
>
>
> > girls. You are a MORON. And since you have no legitimate copyright on
> > your
> > book, I'm wondering how long will it be until someone scans it and
> > distributes
> > it on the web?
> >
> > <-----------Well, if they did that, odds are they'd ignite a very
> > unpleasant chain reaction. Writers don't take kindly to copyright
> > violations, you see. The work IS registered.
>
> Not according to the LOC. And so when the judge says that the LOC has no
> registration record, what are you going to say? When the LOC says that
> the number you gave is invalid, what are you going to do?
>
> <-----Considering the number of literary agents and publishers who found
> me through my registration of this book, I'd have to ask why you or
> anyone else was unable to locate the same information they did.
That's why I asked you for those sources. Since the Library's own
database does not have your books, they must be using other databases,
or you sent them information or press releases regarding your book.
They could not have gotten your information from the Library of
Congress, because the Library of Congress has *no* record of your book
ever even having been sent to them. As far as they're concerned, your
book doesn't exist. Just because you have a registration form (which
could have easily been forged) doesn't insure that the work is properly
registered.
> I could
> also produce a copy of the actual registration form as evidence of the
> copyright.
Oh, I agree that you have a copyright. You don't even have to register
to have a Copyright. But you *do* have to register that copyright to
enjoy the legal benefits of registration. Copyright attorneys don't
usually accept cases where the work isn't registered.
Right now, legally, the book is not listed as registered. This is the
truth, regardless of whatever steps you have taken to resolve that.
> What you would be doing would be a threat to the entire
> publishing industry, which would bring its weight down on you rather
> quickly, lest any dangerous precedents be established. Why don't you try
> threatening a big publisher with this?
Because they're responsible enough to register their works, and to
notify the Library in the event of errors.
> Got the guts? Your continued
> insistence that my book is not registered with the LOC despite the
> availability of this information to others in the industry may even
> constitute libel.
Then sue me. I'll prove that the Library of Congress database does not
have your book in its database. Anyone else can go and see the same
results I did. No libel. Please. Sue me. Do it now. Don't wait until
later. Call up Mr. Kaplan and tell him you want to sue me for libel.
Now. Go. Do it. File.
>
>
>
> > People go to JAIL for
> > doing things like that.
>
> Who? Who's gone to jail for copyright violation?
>
> <-----Look it up.
You're the one who said people went to jail. It's your responsibility
to tell us if you want us to follow up. Who's gone to jail?
> Considering the malicious intent here, it's a definite
> possibility. Not that anything has happened, but if it does that is a
> definite option.
>
>
> > Outside of shutting down the web as we know it
> > (or making anyone involved in the trail at risk of losing millions),
> you
> > wouldn't accomplish much. You should see the new copyright laws, too:
> > they have TEETH. They are designed specifically to prevent what you
> just
> > threatened.
> >
>
> Yeah, now ray's gonna shut down the web. Tell me ray...what are you
> going to do if somebody starts sending out copies of your book via some
> anonymous server outside of the US? US laws have no teeth save for in
> the US. And those have no teeth unless you can prove that your book is
> registered.
>
> <-----------Possession of the material would be a crime as well.
For who, the person who purchased the copy? Or for the people who have
the free copies? You would have to prove that they didn't purchase your
book or receive it as a gift from someone.
> There's
> also very little thing as anonymity on the internet. Yours and James'
> postings would at least be sufficient to justify an investigation of you,
> that's for sure.
Good. I look forward to meeting the private investigators. I will
expect them sometime around the year 2018.
> What would you do if someone did this to ROSS?
>
>
> Right now all you could do would be to sue to recover actual value...that
> being the cover price of the number of books you can prove were copied.
> That would be mighty hard to do over the net....especially if somebody
> just posted the full text to usenet via some anonymous server. Then
> there would be no telling how many hundreds or thousands of copies would
> quickly be saved and sent out.
>
> <--------Punitive damages.
Only if your book is registered. Which it isn't, according to the
Library of Congress Copyright Office.
> Also suits against Dejanews and any ISP that
> carries USENET for transmitting stolen property.
Good luck. When you sign up for those services, you grant them an
immunity clause so they can't be sued for such things. While that in
itself may not be legal, it provides additional problems when you go to
court.
> Again, the posters in
> this group would be the primary suspects and an investigation of them
> would likely occur.
Good. I await the investigation.
> The media isn't stupid, either. Of course, what
> would also happen is that Foxhunting would become the dominant seduction
> strategy, thus eliminating the need for other products, so Ross would see
> a dramatic dropoff in his business, but that in no way justifies anyone
> breaking the law.
Um, is this like your other prediction that you'd become a nationwide
best seller within a few months after releasing your book?
>
>
>
> You'd be powerless to do anything to stop everybody from seeing your book
> is bullshit, ray.
>
> <----------Keep thinking that. The law says otherwise. I may already be
> able to take action on what you've done now.
Then sue. File. Go. Now. Do it. Don't delay. Any delay will only hurt
your case, because you chose not to file, even though you are aware of
the harm being done to your business. Every second you delay hurts your
case. Go right now. Call Mr. Kaplan. Call Mr. Cochran. Tell them you
will provide secretarial services in exchange for representation for a
libel suit. I can prove everything I have said regarding your
copyright. There is no libel. But go ahead and sue me if you think the
law says otherwise.
>
>
> Also...if somebody was to buy a copy of your book then sell on the
> secondary market, there's nothing you can do about it. IOW somebody can
> buy your book, then sell that copy to someone else for a penny, who can
> then sell it to someone else ect ect. As long as it is only one copy at
> a time.
>
> <--------Everything you say to me applies to Ross
And there is a market for resale for his products. You see people
posting every so often.
But perhaps people don't resell his product because they feel it's
worth keeping.
> .....aside from that,
> once you start disregarding the law you make yourself a lot of
> enemies......too bad you have to resort to such posts when they do
> nothing to help the group.....
Yes, I have enemies. That's a part of life. There will always be people
who dislike you.
And don't pretend to be concerned about the group, Ray. You're only
concerned about yourself.
>
> I have faith in US law to protect me. I also have faith in the public's
> sense of justice to determine when to intervene against someone like you.
> You're just a bully, and one day you're going to be stopped, because
> that's what happens to bullies. Funny how you totally ignored the poster
> who went on about 14 year-old girls at his pool. Sounds like pedophilia
> to me, but of course he didn't write a book that is slicing and dicing
> Ross's customer base, so I guess you have no need.
That's right. If Greg wrote a book about seduction, I would be
interested in pointing that post out. Greg also admits to learning and
growing, and his posts are always entertaining and engaging. Greg
understands that he doesn't know it all, and I have respect for people
who learn and grow.
But since you've labelled yourself a seduction know-it-all who knows
more than anyone else, I feel compelled to show people the holes in
your theories and attitudes. You claim that Foxhunting has no need to
ever change ... so in the future, the two bedroom apartment with
massage table will still be considered a staple seduction item
according to you.
Those who consider themselves great will be humbled. Those who are
humble are the ones who are ultimately considered the greatest.
>
> Another thing: my book isn't something you read once and toss away.
> It's
> written like a CHESS book. What I'd like to see is you find the courage
> to try this on another author. Got the guts? Don't think so.....
Other authors have their books registered at the Library of Congress.
Here, I'll show you, using sources I recommend to others:
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TX-4-831-592 (COHM) ITEM 6 OF 7 IN SET 4
TITL: Love 101 : to love oneself is the beginning of a lifelong romance
/ Peter McWilliams.
PHYS: 395 p.
CLNA: Prelude Press, Inc.
DCRE: 1995 DPUB: 1Jun95 DREG: 8Jun98
ECIF: 1/B/L
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TX-1-490-473 (COHM) ITEM 3 OF 5 IN SET 5
TITL: Intimate connections : the new and clinically tested program for
overcoming loneliness, developed at the Presbyterian-University of
Pennsylvania Medical Center / acDavid D. Burns.
EDST: 1st ed.
IMPR: New York : W. Morrow, c1985.
PHYS: 333 p.
CLNA: David D. Burns
DCRE: 1984 DPUB: 2Oct84 DREG: 18Jan85
ECIF: 1/B/L//B
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TX-3-428-001 (COHM) ITEM 2 OF 2 IN SET 6
TITL: The art of mingling : easy, fun, and proven techniques for
mastering any room / acJeanne Martinet.
EDST: 1st ed. CLNA: Jeanne Martinet
DCRE: 1992 DPUB: 18Oct92 DREG: 4Nov92
ECIF: 1/B/L//A
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TX-2-645-788 (COHM) ITEM 1 OF 1 IN SET 7
TITL: Love tactics / acThomas W. McKnight & Robert H. Phillips.
IMPR: Garden City Park, N. Y. : Avery Pub. Group, c1988.
PHYS: 132 p.
CLNA: Thomas W. McKnight & Robert H. Phillips
DCRE: 1988 DPUB: 10Feb88 DREG: 11Sep89
ECIF: 1/B/L
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TXu-375-018 (COHM) ITEM 1 OF 1 IN SET 20
TITL: How to get the women you desire into bed / by Ross Jeffries
{pseud. of Paul J. Ross}
PHYS: 54 p.
CLNA: Paul J. Ross
DCRE: 1989 DREG: 12Jun89
APTI: The Book of dirty seduction tricks.
ECIF: 1/B/D//A
XREF: acPaul Jeffries , <pseud.> SEE Paul J. Ross , 1958-.
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Now, I also recommend the newsletters and other free materials from
Ross' website, which he apparantly hasn't registered. (It took me a few
tries to get Love 101, however, so perhaps the home study course is
registered under a different title.)
I realize that the database is large. But when I search the database
for "Outfoxing the foxes," "Outfoxing," "Gordon, Ray," "Parker, Gordon
Roy," "Parker, Gordon R.," "Charming Prince Charming," the ONLY book
that comes up in the database is this:
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TXu-629-661 (COHM) ITEM 1 OF 1 IN SET 23
TITL: Lose weight, have sex, get hired, and live happily ever after.
PHYS: 190 p.
CLNA: acGordon Roy Parker , 1967-
DCRE: 1994 DREG: 14Apr94
ECIF: 1/B/D//A
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Go ahead, Gordon. Sue me. You know my address and phone number (and if
you don't it's not hard to get.) You can file the papers. Please. Sue
me. I want you to sue me for libel. I would CHERISH the opportunity to
show a court that all I did was report on my findings while researching
the Library of Congress' database.
You would have absolutely no case against me. I'm doing you a favor by
pointing out that the Library has obviously made an error which you
should correct.
Did you send in the update registration for your second edition? The
one where you corrected the typos and removed the duplicate pages? A
publisher would have made sure that your book was free from typos and
was properly formatted before release. That's why they don't have to
spend extra money to register the corrected materials .. they usually
get it right the first time.
Now go ahead and sue me. Now. Not next month, not next year, but now.
You won't, because you know you can't win a case against me.
James King
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