Juggler Workshop Review and Lay Report (VERY LONG)
SexPDX
myself were the participants) and a report of an airport PU --> !close which
took place in Seattle immediately following the workshop.
There is so much to be said about this workshop that Stormwolf and I can't
possibly cover all of the material, nor can we provide a full account of
EVERYTHING that was said and done, so to deal with the length of this report
I am going to cover the material that most helped me and give a few examples
of situations we encountered in the field with regards to each point and
subsequently give my overall thoughts on the workshop. There are some very
interesting and funny things that happened that I have left out since the
post is so friggin long as it is, but I will start other threads for them
later (but not tonight, I am SOOOOO wiped after I finish this post, LOL).
Stormwolf and I both went into the workshop with strong game by Juggler's
estimation. It was a marathon day/night workshop and the venues included,
bars, restaurants, clubs, streets, malls, clothing stores, bus stops,
bookstores, coffee shops, and even the beach. I am fairly positive I
interacted with upwards of 100 women in two days. It was tiring. I got
very little sleep all weekend, the least of the three of us. But that was
primarily because I could feel my game literally metamorphosing during the
entire workshop and I wanted to be awake for every second of it.
Juggler is a really cool guy. He is not only into seduction mentorship as a
business but he is genuinely interested in the success of his students and
many of his former students are now his close friends. We hit it off as
soon as we started talking on the phone. Seeing him IRL was great. It's so
cool to see the most normal looking guy (Juggler looks about as
Joe-Blow-average-dude as you can get) with such awesome game. Women are
into him wherever he goes.
When I showed up at the Seattle airport, having driven from Portland, to
pick him up Juggler the baggage claim, I had a sarge going and he jumped
right in when he saw me sarging before we even formally met.
"You will NEVER guess what Juggler does for a living," I said at one point
in the convo.
"What DO I do for a living, SexPDX?," asked Juggler, "THIS should be
interesting."
"Juggler is a garbage man," I began, "AND he has ANOTHER job....where he
teaches guys how to PU girls. In fact I have paid him to fly out here to
teach me how. He is famous for the effect he has on women, WORLD RENOWNED
in fact."
Eventually I left to smoke a cigarette and Juggler continued talking to the
chick for a while. He told me later that he thought she was on the edge of
whether to believe us or not but he swayed her towards thinking it was a
joke. If she ONLY KNEW how true it was! Hahaha! That interaction set a
good tone for the weekend as we drove north to Vancouver where we would post
up at Stormwolf's place. I had been sarging with Stormwolf on previous
occasions.
Juggler's eye for interpersonal interaction is astonishing. He was able to
observe many of my sarges and tell me exactly what the woman was thinking in
such a way that I couldn't argue with. When he explained it made perfect
sense to the point where I often found myself wondering why the hell
something he had observed in me was not a conclusion I had come to myself.
His insight has added years to my life by saving time thinking "what if
this? what if that?".
Juggler Method is a process that focuses on gaining deep rapport quickly by
targeting wide ranges of expression. The goal is to move towards the
feeling between you and the woman of being comfortable to freely express
yourselves about anything and the feeling of mutual desire to be involved in
each other's lives. If you can achieve these things, #closes, *closes,
!closes, or whatever will happen naturally because they are inevitable. The
Juggler Method itself, in my interpretation, is not a series of instructions
of what to say and do in order to achieve skill in the game because NO SUCH
INSTRUCTIONS EXIST. The method is more of a combination of a set of body
language techniques and a conversational framework, what is actually said
comes from YOU. Relying on yourself rather than material coming from
OUTSIDE yourself is the central philosophy of Juggler Method.
Juggler and I are in total agreement that viewing seduction as a battle to
be won or approaching it competitively is not the best frame of mind.
Seduction is a cooperative effort between you and the woman. The
interactions are a dialogue not a monologue. It's something you and her do
together, not something you do *to* her. And seduction should be something
you do for your own enjoyment of it and not something you do to look cool to
others. The competitive attitudes that have been cultivated among some guys
in the seduction community do not help guys get started nor are they
something that help guys who already have game advance their game and they
are something that I would like to see abandoned.
For the record, I would like to at this time retract ANY criticism or
chastising I have ever directed towards Mystery students for insisting that
one has to see MM done IRL to get it because the same thing is true of
Juggler Method. The body language and conversational style are a huge part
of the method and it they don't come across completely on the internet.
*** JUGGLER AND "ALPHANESS" ***
Juggler's immediate observations of me were that I was "too alpha". By this
he meant that I had a lot of energy which had times came off as being
aggressive.
When I started as a newbie a long time ago, I thought this was important.
So I tried to be as alpha as I could. My friends back home who are natural
PUA's are all much MORE alpha than me and I thought I was FAR from being
"too alpha" but Juggler thought otherwise. Since I don't even try to come
across alpha at all anymore, this was something I did unconsciously probably
as result of exposure to my very alpha friends. Juggler thought I needed to
tone down the alphaness a little because since I am tall, have a deep voice,
and have an expressive face with large eyes my alphaness was intimidating a
lot of people. I never thought about it that way but he was right.
*** OPENING ***
The first real day of the workshop pretty much blew away any sticking point
I had associated with opening. Prior to the workshop I could open fine MOST
of the time but I tended to reuse canned openers a little too much and
relied heavily on opinion openers (both of which I will still do
occasionally).
What Juggler recommends is to enter a venue looking for openers rather than
looking for targets. To look for creative pretenses to talk to anyone.
Kids, UG's, dudes, old people, families. Whoever. If you can get good
enough at this, starting conversations with women who are actual targets you
want to seduce will be easier. Also, it's good to demonstrate to potential
targets by talking to non-targets in their vicinity that you are a confident
person who is genuinely interested in people and who has no problem talking
to a stranger.
During one exercise, Juggler had us enter a Starbucks with a smile and get
into a good interaction with the first or second person we see. I talked to
a paramedic about my dad who is a cop back home and about his job for a
while and then over by the cream counter I managed to rally a semi-large
group of people around a picture hanging above the cream counter trying to
figure out what the picture was actually OF. Fun stuff.
Statements make the strongest openers. "I like..." for example is something
he uses.
Questions can be good as long as you can follow up with some good
value-stacking statements following the question. Something as simple as
"Hi, how are you?" with immediate follow-up in the form of statements can be
good too.
As the workshop went on, I found myself becoming so interested in finding
openers as a fun thing in itself that I would come up with openers and just
HAVE to use them. I saw a girl in a club with white nail polish and I told
her, "I like the way your nails glow under the black light." That opened
really well, she was into me from the beginning.
Eavesdropping on conversations and jumping in with a relevant statement
relating to the topic is good too.
Another way to create OPPORTUNITIES to open is to use what Juggler calls a
"break". Both Stormwolf and I found this to be very effective. Breaks can
be either verbal or physical. It is an action, physical or verbal that gets
her attention but is not directed AT her.
A verbal break would be to start a conversation with someone on the OTHER
SIDE of her from you and when she demonstrates attention to what is being
said, involve her.
A physical break is to stand near her but look at something other than her
and when you see that she perks up and looks at you, open her. It's very
hard to explain all types of physical breaks without seeing it demonstrated
IRL. You can get very effective with the KINDS of physical breaks you do.
Physical breaks are deadly effective opening tools. Particularly effective
in the situation of two girls sitting at a table. Sometimes you have to get
WAY close and actually try it a few times to actually get the break, but
once you do get it and you open when it happens you are in a MUCH better
position than if you had opened only by talking to them without having their
attention as result of a physical break.
I simple example of an effective physical break would be those we did in our
approaches of women on benches in the mall.
Imagine that you are walking forward down a hallway and there is a target
ahead sitting on a bench on the left side. To do a physical break you would
walk by her close enough that she notices you and you turn to the left
TOWARDS HER as you sit on the other side of her. This will be very likely
to get her to look at you RIGHT AWAY at which time you can go right into
your opener.
Although we did not field test this in the workshop, Juggler mentioned that
he would sometimes just go up and introduce himself with his name as an
opener. When I asked Juggler if he liked Gunwitch's idea of introducing
yourself with your first and last name he agreed with Gunwitch that it would
demonstrate a lot of confidence.
With static (stationary) as opposed to dynamic (moving) targets, there is
not too much pressure to have to open with the first thing you say.
Sometimes you can drop statements out separated by some lull before you
finally crack the nut and get her to open.
*** BODY LANGUAGE ***
It's funny that Juggler is such an expert on body language since his own
posture is actually pretty bad. Nonetheless it works well for him since the
most important thing is to appear RELAXED. Perfect posture is not all that
important. Besides, consciously second-guessing your posture looks bad if
it comes across. Just be relaxed, when it's unconscious, it's genuine.
I never imagined there were so many body language mistakes there were in my
game until Juggler saw me in action. I don't know HOW long it would have
taken me to figure all this out.
I have a tendency to talk with my hands a lot. Since I am a pretty good
size dude HIGH arm movements can be intimidating. Juggler suggested that I
talk with my hands all I want but to keep them at waist level and below. I
did it and it seemed to work well.
On one occasion I was sarging a girl in a club with Juggler observing right
behind me and I accidentally raised my left hand up high quickly and I
slapped my left hand with my right while looking at Juggler and he cracked
up laughing. Hahaha!
He also noticed I had a bad habit of "hen pecking", which is when she wants
to so you something or you learn over to hear her better moving just your
HEAD over to her without the rest of your body. Juggler said to close the
distance whenever I have the opportunity. I did not interpret this advice
correctly at first and in the same sarge as the hand-slap Juggler observed
that she was really into me and liking my game but a little annoyed that I
kept encroaching on her by moving myself closer to her while keeping myself
square. This was another example of intimidating body language for a person
my size. Instead, Juggler said that the more intimate position I should
move towards is hip-to-hip. Juggler views physical closeness itself as
actually more important than kino.
At one point, Juggler and Stormwolf watched me sarge a Japanese girl on a
mall bench. She was into me but was a little embarrassed due to the
language barrier. She spoke softly and I "hen pecked" to hear her instead
of scooting my whole body towards her.
While sitting beside a woman you are sarging it's also good to be turned at
an angle that is towards her rather than straight ahead.
Juggler advises to keep your body trunk still while you talk, whether or not
you talk with your hands. If you do talk with your hands, make the hand
movement match up with your speaking delivery and move your head towards the
person who is talking whether it be your target, your wing, or someone in
the group.
*** CONVERSATIONAL STRUCTURE ***
In my interpretation, the most important parts of Juggler's conversational
structure are the following:
1) Generating Value by Making Statements
A statement provides value, a question asks the other person to provide
value. You want to make mostly statements. In fact, we went for a few
hours of sarging and talking to people where we restrained ourselves from
asking ANY questions to anyone. Requests for information from others had to
be phrased as a statement. Try doing this for a long time, it will change
your perspective on the issue tremendously.
Ultimately you want the target to express herself and you will run into some
situations where you do have to ask some questions to get that to happen but
it's best to limit it. Juggler explains it more fully in this post...
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2) Management of Conversational Threads
Anything you talk about becomes a conversational thread. Conversational
threads can spin off in different directions and give rise to new ones.
Juggler recommends to let her interrupt you. Never fight her for the floor.
If you have to fight for the floor you don't deserve to have it at that
point. If she is talking, that means she is expressing which is what you
want her to do anyway. Also, the thread that is broken by the interruption
is something you can come back to later. It's best not to force it.
This is something you can practice all the time even when you are not
sarging and it was something particularly helpful to me since Juggler
mentioned the fact that I am naturally a long-threaded conversationalist as
one of my SP's. His feedback was that the things I have to say are very
interesting but they come in long chunks that I tend to want to get across
in their entirety and that interacting with me can be tiring because of
that.
One problem with using patterns is that guys become attached to and they
always want to finish them. Juggler encourages guys to give up those
attachments. Being experienced in SS, I can say that I am sure there will
be times in the future I will run some patterns for the hell of it if it
fits the situation well but a lot of times the girls are just not trying to
hear any of that stuff and you have to recognize that. Which brings me to
my next point...
3) Noticing Her Reactions
Break up your stories. Give her a chance to react. Don't feel responsible
for her reaction. You should never feel responsible for her reaction.
There is really not many things that are really BAD reactions. In fact you
should not even need a reaction at all. When you make a statement you are
just expressing, she is free to reaction however, and you pay attention to
her reaction and either lead the convo or let her express depending on what
is happening.
Part of the problem with using scripts and routines is that guys are looking
for some reactions they think they should get but they are not. They feel
responsible for the girls reaction. If one script doesn't give them the
reaction they want, they'll run another and another. It is less like a
dialogue and more like a monologue.
Some beginners who I have talked to say to me "Juggler's Method seems like
it's just fluff. WRONG! Making strong statements about your observations
and reactions to the world is VALUE, not fluff. The tendency to think in
this way stems from a lack of experience and a belief on the part of some
that anything that is not a packaged and prepared routine is fluff. Those
ROUTINES are what is FLUFF!
Your observations and reactions to the world make you human and THAT is why
they are value. Oh...and just so you know this, if you don't have
observations of the world you trust enough to express you may want to
consider the possibility you have serious self-esteem issues that are
affecting your quality of life in an adverse way, but the GOOD THING...is
that it's easily and quickly corrected.
Very important realization: THERE CAN BE LULLS IN CONVERSATION!
It's okay. You don't have to fill it up with script, after script, after
script HOPING she approves of something you run by her. You say what you
say from a place of genuine deeply-held belief and you need nobody's
approval for that which you choose to share or express. Lulls are fine,
just make sure that what you DO say are value-stacking statements.
If you have a hard time coming up with strong statements at a particular
time, think about what you like and declare "I like (whatever)...". Get her
attention doing that and throw another statement down about it and watch her
reaction.
4) Advancing Interactions at Conversational High-Points
Examples of Advancing Include:
- Introducing Yourself
- Closing Physical Distance
- Kino
- SOI
You want to do these things at high-points of enthusiasm in the interaction
such as laughter or enthusiastically agreeing on some point that was made,
etc.
Many guys will, for example, introduce themselves at a low point in the
interaction or a lull in the conversation and that is a mistake. If you are
in a lull, you need to stack some value with statements and get back up to a
high point before you advance.
5) Positivity
You can talk about things that are a little bit negative but try to put a
positive spin on it. Juggler caught me on this a few times. We'd be
sarging and I'd mention "I live in Portland, it's really just a small town
with big buildings."
"What's GOOD about that, SexPDX?", Juggler would mention noticing the
negative connotation in my language.
"What's really cool about it is that you get the pleasant ambiance of a
smaller town atmosphere with large amount of people and larger city type of
things to do.", I would add.
6) Changing Topics
Really where you want to be is the feeling of being able to talk about
ANYTHING. Instead of DEEP rapport (talking in depth on ONE thread) what you
want is WIDE rapport (ability to talk about anything. You can test this by
abruptly changing topics to something totally different.
I was in a situation once this weekend where the chick was on a thread that
was hopelessly negative and I could not put a positive spin on it. I
changed topics right from bus bombings in Israel to bears totally out of
nowhere and I pulled it off.
*** LISTENING & PROVING YOU ARE LISTENING ***
To listen is not enough. You have to prove you are listening to her. A few
ways to do this.
1) Listen with a blank, still look.
Don't react to what she is saying until she is done. React to what is said
in the full context of the message. Don't nod and go "Yeah, uh huh, I see"
while she is talking because that comes across as blindly agreeing and also
that you are not even listening.
2) Amplify Her Reactions
Whatever reaction she has to something repeat it back to her in a way that
demonstrates an understanding of it. If it's a negative reaction, try to
put a positive spin on it. I just typed out several examples of this and
none of them are going to come across correctly in text, so I have give up.
That's a treat I guess will have to be left for the workshop.
*** AMOG SITUATIONS ***
Juggler was very good at confidently introducing himself to guys.
Particularly befriending peacocking guys. However, how to handle a
particular AMOG intrusion situation was the only major disagreement I had
(and still have) with him all weekend. Here is what happened...
Juggler opened who I thought was the hottest chick in the club and left me
with her while he went to find Stormwolf. Whatever Juggler said to her
generated a lot value quickly because I was IN when he left and he did so
quickly. In clubs you have to open with strong statements. Everything in
the beginning has to be nothing but VALUE, VALUE, VALUE or you will not get
in and stay in.
Anyway, I talked to the HB for about ten minutes. Good interaction. I
think she was mainly just happy to be talking to a genuine person somewhere
she would not expect to.
After a while a guy slightly shorter than me but we built approached us and
held a lime up to me. "Here he said," looking at the lime as though to
suggest I take it from him. I just looked him in the eye and didn't say
anything.
"You should have this," he said, "you are a limey guy."
"Come again.", I said.
At that point the HB came between us, leaned her back against me and tried
to take the lime from him.
"I want the limey guy to have it," he insisted. I just smirked and looked
at him while shaking my head slowly. He walked away. I talked to the HB
some more and she introduced me to three of her friends so I had a 4-set
going for a little bit. After a while the HB I was originally talking to
left and I mentioned the lime situation to her friend who told me AMOG was
her BF.
I talked to the HB for a while after the interaction with AMOG and she did
NOT mention that he was her BF. I think it's because he acted like such an
ass that she was embarrassed to admit it.
Juggler's take on this is that he would not have "fought" with the guy and
probably would have TAKEN the lime from him. Sorry, Juggler, bad move IMO.
If I had taken the lime from him he would have said, "There you go, buddy"
and shoulder-blocked me out. He was testing me to see I would let him punk
me out and I didn't stand for it. I would be really curious if there were a
way to recreate the exact same situation with Juggler in it instead of me
how it would have gone down but I have trouble seeing taking the lime from
the AMOG as the right move.
*** WINGSMANSHIP ***
Juggler's position on wingsmanship matched up perfectly with what I have
always done. Wings have to be invited. I slipped up once on an escalator
while he was sarging a chick and I jumped in with a comment during a lull
and Juggler reminded me to let him have his lulls.
While sarging in groups at the club, Stormwolf and I would check up on each
other and stand in the vicinity of the wing's group making it clear that we
are available to be invited IF we are wanted in the sarge at that time. If
we are not invited, then we assumed it was not necessary or convenient to
invite the wing at that time.
*** WORKSHOP REVIEW CONCLUSION ***
I was thinking of taking this workshop when I was much newer to seduction
and I am actually happy to have held off until now. I went in with enough
game to really get a lot out of it and I was able to seduce an HB in an
airport immediately afterwards for a lay. I do however, know guys who went
in to Juggler's workshop very new and it helped them a lot so no matter what
your level it is probably helpful.
The workshop is, like seduction itself, a cooperative effort. The
participants in the workshop have a lot to do with how it goes. Stormwolf
and I knew each other before the workshop and each had good skills. Having
a newer guy along would have made it a little different but it still would
have been fun. If the group were a larger one with a diversity in levels of
experience (as Juggler told me he has had in the past), I could imagine it
would help a lot for some more experienced guys to help Juggler in coming up
with missions and exercises for the newer guys to do. Also, Juggler himself
is skilled enough to pretty much open for anybody and have them be in at
least for a while, or perhaps smooth it out if needed.
The workshop rocks. Juggler is THAT good, delivers the goods, yadda, yadda,
yackidy shmackidy, whatever else you want to say....Hahaha!
Seriously, this is arguably the best $300 I have ever spent in my life. My
game was good before I got there but it is much more polished now.
I barely got back to Portland in time for class and walking around campus
and the way girls respond to me already is just a LITTLE different.
Also....dammit, Juggler! Now I can't even go to the friggin burrito hut
down the street without getting into some long drawn out conversation where
people are really interested in me. Geez, what have you done to me, man?!
:-)
*** LAY REPORT ***
The problem with Juggler Method LR's I can already see I am going to have is
that I have quite a bit of trouble actually remembering what was said at
what time. The reason for this is that it's a dialogue and not a monologue.
The chronological order of events becomes muddied in your memory when
working to recall an interaction where you were you had wide rapport and
were in a state of free-flow expression. Nonetheless, I will do my best.
Juggler and I drove from Vancouver to Seattle where he would catch a flight
home at 11:30 pm. On the way down we talked to our mutual friend, PiQL
about the workshop and we talked with Wham while waiting to go through the
border.
Having some time to kill in Seattle, we met up with my friend, Opus briefly.
I drove Juggler to the airport at about 8:30. I still had a hour drive
ahead of me and I was visibly exhausted from the intensity of the weekend.
I decided to chill with Juggler for a while inside before starting the drive
down. While Juggler was at the ticket counter I was walking back and forth
by people in a complete tired daze but still doing physical breaks, opening
people, etc. It was like I was running on pure muscle memory after a
weekend of non-stop sarging.
Juggler and I sat down at the coffee shop and talked for a while before I
decided to go outside to smoke a cigarette. I invited Juggler to come with
me but he declined.
Standing outside Sea-Tac Airport on the curb of the baggage claim pull-in
area I saw HB SeaTac. The thing is, I didn't even approach her because she
was hot. She only looked like a 7 at first in her scarf and long coat but
she was a 9 when her clothes came off later! I approached her because I am
now in the habit of looking for openings rather than targets and I saw an
opportunity for a cool opener.
"I like the way you wear your scarf, vertically around the head like
that....My friend Juggler was in France recently and he told me that's they
way the wear it there....are you from France?"
We talked about travel and our experiences on our respective trips. She
lived in Seattle, just got back from the East Coast and had a friend who was
supposed to pick her up who she was having problems getting a hold of.
At one point I mentioned that I would think it would be cool to train sales
people, not because I like the WORK of sales but because I found the
interpersonal interactions aspect of it fascinating.
"You would be really good at that! Look how easily you can just walk up and
talk to strangers like me.", she said.
"REALLY? You think so? Thanks a lot?"
I find it works well to respond really enthusiastically to her sincere
compliments. When you compliment someone you kind of put yourself out
there. I personally like it when *MY* compliments are well-received and I
know it. Let her know she is making you feel good. It's almost like you
are going DDB on HER.
At a high point in the interaction (laughter, I think) I SOI'd her with "I
like you". She started asking me a lot of questions about how often I come
to Seattle, etc. It was pretty clear she was into me. On top of that,
knowing that she was in need of a ride home, a !close seemed like a very
likely outcome here. I went to go find Juggler and tell him what was going
on, but #closed her before I left in case her friend came by and scooped her
up while I was inside.
Upon finding Juggler, I gave him a run-down on the situation and he agreed
that she was into me. Juggler came down, and met her and talked very
briefly before bidding me goodbye to go catch his plane.
She went back to talking about her friend who she hadn't gotten a hold of in
2 hours.
"You must feel so stranded," I said as I closed distance hip to hip and
started kino, "but the good thing is that these situations get taken care of
you can feel comfortable knowing that it doesn't last and that it will be
okay."
"So are you going to be my savior?"
"To tell you the truth I am very hard-pressed ever to play the role of a
knight in shinning armor but I will give it a shot this time."
On the way there she asked how Juggler and I knew each other and I told her
the story Juggler and I had been using the whole workshop which was
Juggler's dad used to date my mom.
I was so tired that it took me a really long time to remember where I parked
my truck. On the way out of the parking garage she kept saying she didn't
know what she would have done if it weren't for me. To which I responded
C&Fishly, "I hear that a lot, what would everyone do without SexPDX?"
She expressed concerns for my safety in driving back to Portland which I was
GENUINELY concerned about myself. I was making up my own lanes on I-5 on
the way to her house! She offered to let me sleep over at her place. I was
quick to set up a sort of poetic saving each other frame to by saying...
"Looks like you are saving me now."
"We are saving each other."
I few minutes after that I skipped the Delbert McClinton CD ahead to that
song that goes...
He keeps sending me angels
Here they come a flyin'
He keeps sending me angels
To keep me from cryin'
He keeps sending me angels
Sweet and true
He keeps sending me angels
Just like...you
This whole "saviors of one another" frame complimented our matching state of
being tired from travel quite well.
We talked about just about everything on the way back. Family,
spirituality, past relationships, favorite movies, dogs, etc.
BTW, Juggler, I didn't actually ASK about her relationship situation but she
brought it up for me which helped.
Everything was going really well except for the fact that she was nervous
because the person who was supposed to give her a ride who she had not heard
from also had her kids. (she has a 6 YO and a 3 YO).
When we got back to her place she put on some tea for me and started setting
up the futon but I could tell she was nervous still. It was hard to tell
if I was going to be able to get her to relaxed to be sexual.
She went to take a shower and while she was in there I called Stormwolf and
got Juggler's cell phone number. I had hoped to catch Juggler while she was
in the shower and get some quick advice but he had evidently turned it off.
When she came out of the show I saw just how hot her body was (which had
been obscured by a long coat and otherwise thick layered clothing before.
Yummy!!!
All the sudden we hear a not on the door and it's her friend dropping her
kids off. Turns out her phone had some problems or something so she didn't
get HB SeaTac's message.
Anyway, everyone was happy to know each other was okay and the kids and HB
SeaTac were happy to see each other. The friend chatted with us briefly and
left.
It was strange because normally the kids being home isn't considered a GOOD
thing as far as !closing goes but here it definitely was!
I got in really good with her kids. They loved me. That never hurts.
At one point she pulled out some photos to look at and sat down next to me
and after several sarges where I was corrected on it, I am completely broken
of the hen pecking habit, I moved right in hip-to-hip.
Later on she went to put the kids to bed and that she would come out and
talk to me.
She didn't come out after a few minutes so I assumed she fell asleep. At
that time I was too tired to give a rip. However, I woke up at 6:am Monday
morning and just reveled in the satisfaction of having had my first night of
sleep that wasn't on a floor and lasted for more than 4 hours in days. HB
SeaTac comes out and gets under the covers with me and we have sex.
During pillow-talk/afterplay I said...
"I have something to tell you. I have been truthful with you about
everything so far...except for one thing. Juggler actually does have
another job I didn't tell you about. He teaches seduction."
I proceeded to tell her about the workshop, ASF, why I got into all this,
the whole nine yards. She found it interesting and was blown away by my
honesty. But said, "You didn't seduce me, I seduced you."
"You are right," I said, "You did. That was the idea."
-PDX
Mr. Pink
that was a sweet report! i wanted to know if you are on mysterys lounge, if
you are whats your handle? i would love to talk to you about the workshop
somtime. my name is Paul im on mysterys lounge. ive been wanting to get
some info on jugglers workshops. if you can provide any that would be great,
like jugglers email address or website adddress if he has one.
hope to her back from you!
thanx
Paul
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SexPDX
Thanks for the props, bro. I am not in Mystery's Lounge. I mostly post on
mASF and in my own forum, Club PDX. I am sure Juggler would love to hear
from you. His website is www.seductionarts.com and you will find his
contact info on the site.
-PDX