Tough competition
thx
still...
I've had competition, you see. It's not that I turn into a spineless
jellyfish whenever some other guy is around, it's just that my chances
deteriorate drastically when I have competition and I can't seem to do
anything about it. And I've been really GOOD.
In both instances, I was on a lecture at the uni. I guess this is kind of an
outing report.
First time, I was talking to this chick and this guy who was sitting next to
her (they didn't know eachother prior to that). I was smooth all the way,
entertaining, kino with the chick, some fluff palm reading and all that. The
chick was having fun, and this guy was laughing at every other word I said.
I swear I thought he was some fucking fag, he was so into it. And when HE
talked, I figure he's the lamest thing since the Power Rangers. Talked only
about himself, complaining how his BMW sucks when it snows, laughing at his
own lame jokes and calling someone on his cellphone every five minutes. The
chick was nothing near to the state I get her in and I do my best to try and
be objective here.
Anyway, I was talking for like two minutes with this other chick that I know
(9.5 social proof), and when I turned back to this one (8) to close, I hear
this guy talking about taking her to dinner. Okay, I listen. He says they
could go to this italian place (expensive, I took a chick there once back
when I was even more clueless) and this chick asks when, and says ok. Then
we talk for two more minutes and she excuses herself and I never see her
again.
Now, how did he manage to do this? He didn't convey ANY personality, said
some lame shit, offered to buy this chick dinner, bragged about his car and
all that. The only other good thing about him besides money was that he
looked good. I guess this chick was a gold/looks digger.
Anyway... what I want to know is how to handle guys like this. He was not an
obstacle, I got good rapport with him, he didn't try to sabotage me, but in
the end the chick just went along with him and tossed me onto the loser
pile.
The other time was this chick who's a dancer and she likes to travel with
her troupe. When I got rapport, I asked her where she would like to travel,
asked her to describe the place, planted anchors, mirrored gestures and fed
her words back to her and all that. She got that "doggy dinner bowl" look
and I read her horoscope and it said she will meet a special person today.
Then she smiles, introduces herself to me, offers her hand and that very
moment this guy sits next to her. Asks her if the seat is available, says
something funny (I didn't hear what but she laughed), pays zero attention to
me and now she sort of turns to him. I couldn't hear what they were talking
but after the class she says to me "See ya!" and goes with this guy to a
cafe accross the street.
Now what was that all about? I saw them walking together today holding
hands. I was with that 9.5 social-proof chick and managed a "Hi" and a
halfhearted smile.
Now how to handle this kind of thing? It's not yet becoming a trend, but I
was pissed off. I did real GOOD both times but both times their brains
seemed to run on a two second clock. What good are all these techniques if I
lose them to the first guy that comes along? I heard you can leech on
someone's crash and burn, but not this.
The thing that pisses me off the most is that I didn't learn anything except
to try and be alone with the chick. And after that, I guess I should keep
her locked up with no visitors as long as I'm into her...
rgds.
whois...@my-deja.com
"thx" <singu...@blackhole.net> wrote:
> I've had a bad week. I know, I know, you've all been there, done that,
but
> still...
Yeah fu,king right still... Fuc,ing bummer
>
> I've had competition, you see. It's not that I turn into a spineless
> jellyfish whenever some other guy is around, it's just that my chances
> deteriorate drastically when I have competition and I can't seem to do
> anything about it. And I've been really GOOD.
>
> In both instances, I was on a lecture at the uni. I guess this is kind
of an
> outing report.
>
> First time, I was talking to this chick and this guy who was sitting
next to
> her (they didn't know eachother prior to that). I was smooth all the
way,
> entertaining, kino with the chick, some fluff palm reading and all
that. The
> chick was having fun, and this guy was laughing at every other word I
said.
Mysteries style. Disarm the obsticles. I would have squelched this
shit. How did he get in your conversation uninvited? Pretending to
laugh at you lokes? I would take that as rude on his part. I'd be rude
back. "Say would you please go away? Me and miss peaches are talking."
> I swear I thought he was some fucking fag, he was so into it. And when
HE
> talked, I figure he's the lamest thing since the Power Rangers. Talked
only
> about himself, complaining how his BMW sucks when it snows, laughing
at his
> own lame jokes and calling someone on his cellphone every five
minutes. The
> chick was nothing near to the state I get her in
I wonder about all this state stuff. Doggy dinner look could be she's
thinking about algebra problems.
>
> Anyway, I was talking for like two minutes with this other chick that
I know
> (9.5 social proof), and when I turned back to this one (8) to close, I
hear
> this guy talking about taking her to dinner. Okay, I listen. He says
they
> could go to this italian place (expensive, I took a chick there once
back
> when I was even more clueless) and this chick asks when, and says ok.
Then
> we talk for two more minutes and she excuses herself and I never see
her
> again.
She sees you with 9.5 she may have counted herself out.
>
> Now, how did he manage to do this? He didn't convey ANY personality,
said
> some lame shit, offered to buy this chick dinner, bragged about his
car and
> all that. The only other good thing about him besides money was that
he
> looked good. I guess this chick was a gold/looks digger.
OK he had you in 2 accounts - money and looks. She wanted to use him
for money. Shes basically an expensive hooker.
>
> Anyway... what I want to know is how to handle guys like this. He was
not an
> obstacle, I got good rapport with him, he didn't try to sabotage me,
but in
> the end the chick just went along with him and tossed me onto the
loser
> pile.
Have you ever been on the other side of the coin? Imean, have you
ever been in a situation where some other guys is trying to PU her but
YOU got her! How do you percieve this other guy? What are your
weaknesses even though you have her? What could the guy do to fuck it
up for you?
Think about it. For a sec and then read on...
I have two points. One is - If you've been on the other side of the
coin - don't whine! I used to whine about competition until I realised
how sometimes it was the OTHER smuck who lost out - NOT ME - and some of
these guys really were hurting as a result of me winning. Sometimes I
hate winning because I really do hurt guys and often wished I'd gave the
poor smuck a chance but I don't - I want the pussy and have been around
long enough to know nice guys finish last. What comes around goes
around. Not a good pep talk but I think you'll see there's something to
be cheerful about. If feels great when you win. It sucks when you lose.
Second point: My weakness in a competitive PU situ depends on what the
other guy does. If he is persistant and not letting me get into the
talk and engaging her non-stop - He has a chance. If he intimdates me
- I will eject. No chick is worth it.
>
> Now how to handle this kind of thing?
> I guess I should keep her locked up with no visitors as long as I'm >
into her...
Your guess is good. Nice guys finish last and you have to plain ass be
a jerk about it. Here's ways to do this. Purposely keep engaging her
despite the guy, intentionaly and obviously ignore the guy, direct
the conversation, in some way let him know this is a private
conversation and he is being rude, let him know he is not welcome by not
letting him get in. Be firm about it. I hate fags with BMWs anyway.
They need to go leech somewhere else. I have told guys; "Hey dont you
think you need to go somewhere else?" Stick with her until you have
gotten the time you deserve with her. Stick with it .
I'm just throwing out suggestions. I've done the above and it worked.
I've done the above and the guy copped my same attitude and got even
MORE into her.
The real basic is: what comes around goes around. I lose out to
competition all the time. I get 15 minute breaks and I play hour sets.
ALOT happens in an hour. It happens all the time to all of us and it is
not some special jinx for you alone. It happens alot when they are
elites. It's lame, it sucks, it aint fair but it is the playing field.
greg1
>
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sexuality or excitement enough. Could be you are coming off as over
eager. Or it could be dumb luck, that both times the guy was hot and
her type.
NightLight9
In article <s90qpu...@corp.supernews.com>,
"thx" <singu...@blackhole.net> wrote:
> I've had a bad week. I know, I know, you've all been there, done
that, but
> still...
>
> I've had competition, you see. It's not that I turn into a spineless
> jellyfish whenever some other guy is around, it's just that my chances
> deteriorate drastically when I have competition and I can't seem to do
> anything about it. And I've been really GOOD.
>
> In both instances, I was on a lecture at the uni. I guess this is
kind of an
> outing report.
>
> First time, I was talking to this chick and this guy who was sitting
next to
> her (they didn't know eachother prior to that). I was smooth all the
way,
> entertaining, kino with the chick, some fluff palm reading and all
that. The
> chick was having fun, and this guy was laughing at every other word I
said.
> I swear I thought he was some fucking fag, he was so into it. And
when HE
> talked, I figure he's the lamest thing since the Power Rangers.
Talked only
> about himself, complaining how his BMW sucks when it snows, laughing
at his
> own lame jokes and calling someone on his cellphone every five
minutes. The
> chick was nothing near to the state I get her in and I do my best to
try and
> be objective here.
>
> Anyway, I was talking for like two minutes with this other chick that
I know
> (9.5 social proof), and when I turned back to this one (8) to close,
I hear
> this guy talking about taking her to dinner. Okay, I listen. He says
they
> could go to this italian place (expensive, I took a chick there once
back
> when I was even more clueless) and this chick asks when, and says ok.
Then
> we talk for two more minutes and she excuses herself and I never see
her
> again.
>
> Now, how did he manage to do this? He didn't convey ANY personality,
said
> some lame shit, offered to buy this chick dinner, bragged about his
car and
> all that. The only other good thing about him besides money was that
he
> looked good. I guess this chick was a gold/looks digger.
>
> Anyway... what I want to know is how to handle guys like this. He was
not an
> obstacle, I got good rapport with him, he didn't try to sabotage me,
but in
> the end the chick just went along with him and tossed me onto the
loser
> pile.
>
> to try and be alone with the chick. And after that, I guess I should
keep
> her locked up with no visitors as long as I'm into her...
>
> rgds.
Mudbomb17
Basically with the first
situation it sounds like u did all the right things. You got her in the right
state but that other shmoe went in for close instead of u.If theres anything I
learned about HBs is that "You gotta strike while the irons hot". If she hot,
theres a millions guys that are after her.
I dunno if u watch Siefeld but have u ever seen
the episode where George says something cool and then leaves. "i left when i
was on top". Thats kinda what u gotta do.
My problem is that i over talk. I get so much rapport that she wants
to be friends and the sex thing fades. Make it powererful, but short and sweet.
Close or get her #
In the second case it also sounds like u put her in the right state.
You seem to be good at that. Maybe she was just attracted to the other guy
more. Thats the best explainatin i could think of.
The bottom line is u
gotta know when to hold em and when to fold em. Dont talk too much. Leave her
wanting more......Then give it to her, if shes lucky ;)
Mud
thx
>Mysteries style. Disarm the obsticles. I would have squelched this
>shit. How did he get in your conversation uninvited? Pretending to
>laugh at you lokes? I would take that as rude on his part. I'd be rude
>back. "Say would you please go away? Me and miss peaches are talking."
The guy was not really an obstacle. He was simply competition and there was
nothing to disarm. He didn't really talk to her exclusively, he just talked
to both of us, like three friends chatting, only he asked to take her to
dinner and he got her. And I couldn't really tell him to go away. This was
in a lecture hall, with long rows of seats close together, and she was kinda
in the middle and she was game. No one was there first.
>I wonder about all this state stuff. Doggy dinner look could be she's
>thinking about algebra problems.
Yeah, I kind of tent to disregard the "signs" most of the time, but I've
picked up on it when I pulled chicks before. I was on course, I could see
it, but he simply beat me to it. If you're talking about the second chick,
then you're probably right.
>She sees you with 9.5 she may have counted herself out.
True. I never thought of that.
>Have you ever been on the other side of the coin? Imean, have you
>ever been in a situation where some other guys is trying to PU her but
>YOU got her!
Actually, the answer is NO! ;-)
I never had to DIRECTLY compete with some guy before. Sure, there are
chicks' personal AFCs, but I ALWAYS ask them if they like the chick. Since
were mostly shy fucks, every single one of them said that they were "just
friends" so I got the green light. And besides, when I'm onto the chicks,
the pAFCs usually make themselves scarce, so it's not competing DIRECTLY.
So you see, I don't have much experience with this, but I know what you're
saying.
>I have two points. One is - If you've been on the other side of the
>coin - don't whine! I used to whine about competition until I realised
>how sometimes it was the OTHER smuck who lost out - NOT ME - and some of
>these guys really were hurting as a result of me winning.
Don't think I'm bitching! If the guy does a chick better, he's welcome to
her. I only wanted to know what I can do to somehow gain the upper hand, how
to intimidate them or psyche them out using non-violent means.
It seems to me that many chicks would rather go for the looks and clothes
and money if they got to choose, so I try to get them alone and make them
choose between "yes" or "no" rather then "this guy" vs. "that guy".
Also, if I had learned anything, I wouldn't feel so bad about this. Read my
reply to nightlight.
>They need to go leech somewhere else. I have told guys; "Hey dont you
>think you need to go somewhere else?" Stick with her until you have
>gotten the time you deserve with her. Stick with it .
Ah, they're all fair competition. But the problem is, I lost all the ground
I gained with both chicks in a very short time and I don't know how or why.
And the guy could simply bury me by saying "It's a free country".
Good post and lots to think about!
rgds.
thx
>Hard to say without being there. Doesn't sound like you are conveying
>sexuality or excitement enough. Could be you are coming off as over
>eager. Or it could be dumb luck, that both times the guy was hot and
>her type.
Ahm, the thing is, I don't think I did anything wrong. I was about as good
as I can be at this moment and the other guy was simply better, in both
cases.
About sexuality, I don't know. I've never talked to that chick before, and
it was during class. I mean, I just didn't feel comfortable enough for that
kind of talk, and I just might have screwed it up that way. What do you
think?
What pissed me off is that I don't know WHY it turned out the way it did.
The first guy appeared to be completely clueless and I didn't hear what the
other guy was about. I mean, it probably IS dumb luck, but I am worried it
could become a trend.
I remember this other guy one time. I was talking to a 3-set (1UG + 2HBs)
and he sort of appeared out of nowhere, goodlooking, funny, playful, and I
just sat there and observed. I was NOT sorry about this instance as it has
provided a lot of pointers for me. This guy was a textbook example of PUA:
confidence, playfulness, smile, kino, negs, non-supplicative behaviour...
Almost like he learned the stuff here, only he went straight for the best HB
and ignored the UG. They asked him to go for coffee and it looked as he was
in for a lot of fun...
I wish I was as good as that... I know, practice, practice...
rgds.
old_...@my-deja.com
> > Then she smiles, introduces herself to me, offers her hand and that
very
> moment this guy sits next to her. Asks her if the seat is available,
says
> something funny (I didn't hear what but she laughed), pays zero
attention to
> me and now she sort of turns to him. I couldn't hear what they were
talking
> but after the class she says to me "See ya!" and goes with this guy
to a
> cafe accross the street.
>
> Now what was that all about? I saw them walking together today holding
> hands. I was with that 9.5 social-proof chick and managed a "Hi" and a
> halfhearted smile.
>
> Now how to handle this kind of thing? >
I can offer three proven tactics to counter Alpha Male Other Guy (AMOG)
intrusions:
Typical Situation One: your above “I was working her and this AMOG
moves in”
Solution: As soon as the AMOG inserts himself, and, she pays attention
to him, do the following:
Smile at the AMOG and say “hold on a sec OK”. Touch her shoulder and
turn your body so that you’re between her and the AMOG. Then, lean
forward and whisper in her ear: “I don’t want to share your attention
with anyone else. Let’s continue this some other time” She’ll either
respond positively or not. If negative, smile at her and say, “he’s
all yours”. If positive get the #, smile, and say “I’ve got to run but
I will see you again” Use a strong hand pointing gesture when you say
the “See you” so that it places a verbal anchor and also asserts your
dominance over her vis a vi the AMOG.
TIP: it’s fucking vital in these situations to always whisper in the
chycks ear. Why? Do you remember from elementary and middle school
how the chycks were always whispering in each other’s ears? They love
it! It creates an instant atmosphere of intimacy and “specialness”.
Plus, tactically, you want to keep the AMOG shut out and guessing. I
call this the “whisper close”.
Two other typical AMOG competitive situations and how to deal with them:
Typical Situation Two: You’re sitting at the bar with two chycks at
adjoining bar stools and you’re working them.
Solution: If it’s two chycks that you started chatting up at the bar
with you and them sitting on the adjoining bar chairs, always move so
that you’re positioned between the two chycks. This means that any
AMOG has to choose one or the other to approach.
IF the situation is that you’ve been chatting up two chycks and some
AMOG comes along and exploits your mistake and inserts himself between
the two chycks before you can position yourself between them (as
happened to me very recently), here’s what I did:
I touched the chyck (whose back by then was to me – don’t you just hate
that) nearest to me on her shoulder and whispered in her ear: “I’ll
bet you that he propositions you and your friend to a threesome”.
If she’s like this chyck, she’ll immediately turn to face you with a
laugh and and a “How much do you want to bet kind of reaction”. I
said, “Since I won’t be here to verify the bet, let’s just make it
buck. That way, it won’t be the amount, it’ll be whether I was
right or you were right. I'll trust your honesty!” (I had already
closed and was going to meet her the next night at this bar where the
other woman was bartending). I left by saying “I gotta run but I’ll
see you both in Ridgefield (a nearby town where the other woman
bartended)”.
Typical Situation Three: You’ve been chatting up some chyck and you
have leave for moment (maybe to hit the men’s room) and when you
return, there’s this AMOG that’s moved in
Solution: Approach from the AMOG’s blind side and visually get her
attention from a slight distance away, from behind him. A sharp
“Yeo!” and a finger point at her should do very nicely to get her
attention. From there, your alternatives are:
If you didn’t already do the close (shmuck! it’s almost never too early
to do a trial close), then move in per Situation One above and do a
whisper close.
If you already had gotten the close (attaboy for that), then say “Gotta
run. See you like we planned”. Use a strong hand pointing gesture when
you say the “See you” so that it places a verbal anchor.
bigbry
really destructive to your ego if you don't have the right attitude. Don't
let this get too serious. You never get rejected you only find out if she
has good taste. Ask yourself, "what's the difference between being thourough
and being serious?" I think if you are being serious then if you fail you
will feel like you weren't good enough or something. If you are thourough
it's like a scientist that is trying an experament: he has to be very
optimistic and learn from his experiences. Never concider it a failure.
There's no such thing as failure.
Now as far as strategy goes: I like old dog's whisper technique but I would
have immediately started to illiminate the compitition very ambiguously. The
guy sits down and laphs at my jokes I would look at him like where the hell
did you just come from and then look at her like he doesn't even really
belong with us. Then I'd say, "You ever meet someone who really annoys you?"
to her. Then I'd go into the wisper technique.
My guess is that women love, absolutely love men fighting over them. This
girl was getting all this attention from the both of you but he was the one
who closed on her first.
Remember this rule and you won't run into a problem like this again: Close
early and close often. The sooner you create that emotional closeness with
her close. Shit you might as well just close as soon as the guy sits down
with you guys.
Better luck next time I hope.
--bigbry
Barbara
file this goes!
Admiringly,
Vince
whois...@my-deja.com
"thx" <singu...@blackhole.net> wrote:
> whois...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >Mysteries style. Disarm the obsticles. I would have squelched this
> >shit. How did he get in your conversation uninvited? Pretending to
> >laugh at you lokes? I would take that as rude on his part. I'd be
rude
> >back. "Say would you please go away? Me and miss peaches are
talking."
>
there was
> nothing to disarm.
No no no I mean YOU are his obsticle and he was disarming you. HE was
using (in part) mysteries style.
He didn't really talk to her exclusively, he just
talked
> to both of us, like three friends chatting, only he asked to take her
to
> dinner and he got her.
I wouldnt have talked with him.
>And I couldn't really tell him to go away. This
was
> in a lecture hall, with long rows of seats close together, and she was
kinda
> in the middle and she was game. No one was there first.
That does suck.
>
nuff said
whois...@my-deja.com
old_...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <s90qpu...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "thx" <singu...@blackhole.net> wrote:
A new acronym. :) AMOG What a great post!!! Nathan!!! Please
archive this one.
greg1
Mudbomb17
scientist part was also a great perspective i never thought of. Keep them
coming............
Mud
old_...@my-deja.com
"bigbry" <big...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> Now as far as strategy goes: I like old dog's whisper technique but I
would
> have immediately started to illiminate the compitition very
ambiguously. The
> guy sits down and laphs at my jokes I would look at him like where
the hell
> did you just come from and then look at her like he doesn't even
really
> belong with us. Then I'd say, "You ever meet someone who really
annoys you?"
> to her. Then I'd go into the wisper technique.
>
> My guess is that women love, absolutely love men fighting over them.
This
> girl was getting all this attention from the both of you but he was
the one
> who closed on her first.
>
> Remember this rule and you won't run into a problem like this again:
Close
> early and close often. The sooner you create that emotional closeness
with
> her close. Shit you might as well just close as soon as the guy sits
down
> with you guys.
>
>
>
strategy focus. Let me help you connect the dots.
The strategy is based on two key elements:
1) use body action, kino and the whisper move
to physically and mentally isolate the chyck from the AMOG.
2) Put the onus on the CHYCK to make her choice: you can have my
attention or his but not *both*. Remember from my previous post that
the conditions are the AMOG's intruded *and* she's paying attention to
him. That's why I tell you to use the "I don't want to share your
attention with anyone" as your LEAD whisper assertion. Then, the image
that you're establishing is that you're wise to her and you're not
going allow her to put you in the position of competiting with the AMOG
for her attention.
That's the IDEAL strategic position for HER and the WORST strategic
position for YOU.
I know there's a natural male impulse to confront the AMOG. Resist it.
It's a loser since it sets you up to be manipulated by the chyck and is
a major waste of your valuable time. Besides which, what are the
possible outcomes? The guy may be good; you don't know. Then you're
the one who looks lame. The most likely outcome is that
you make each other look lame and she blows you both off but not until
she's throughly amused herself and gotten all of the ego gratification
that she can extract from you both. But hey try both ways - see which
works better for u.
maniac_high
Fucking EXCELLENT reply.
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> I can offer three proven tactics to counter Alpha Male Other Guy
> (AMOG) intrusions:
>
> ....
I am damn glad I read this post. This thread is excellent. And we got
a new acronym, too!
~jay
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old_...@my-deja.com
Thanks Maniac
Gotta shape these AFC's up. Perhaps morning pattern calistenics is
required: Hey you AFC's line up and give the connection pattern!
Old Dog
BadBoy25M
not even funny how it works. And I often use the words "Can you picture
it"," can you see it","can you feel it" and then maybe "feel those
feelings", "relive those sensations" ,"isnt it absolutely wonderful"....
BadBoy25
old_...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> In article <sTsk4.38071$Mg.5...@c01read03-admin.service.talkway.com>,
> "maniac_high" <mania...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Old dog,
> >
> > Fucking EXCELLENT reply.
> > Maniac
>
> Thanks Maniac
>
> Gotta shape these AFC's up. Perhaps morning pattern calistenics is
> required: Hey you AFC's line up and give the connection pattern!
>
> Old Dog
>
Odious
If you view these men as "competition" you've already lost to them.
> Then she smiles, introduces herself to me, offers her hand and that very
> moment this guy sits next to her. Asks her if the seat is available, says
> something funny (I didn't hear what but she laughed), pays zero attention to
> me and now she sort of turns to him. I couldn't hear what they were talking
> but after the class she says to me "See ya!" and goes with this guy to a
> cafe accross the street.
>
> Now what was that all about? I saw them walking together today holding
> hands. I was with that 9.5 social-proof chick and managed a "Hi" and a
> halfhearted smile.
>
> Now how to handle this kind of thing? It's not yet becoming a trend, but I
> was pissed off. I did real GOOD both times but both times their brains
> seemed to run on a two second clock. What good are all these techniques if I
> lose them to the first guy that comes along? I heard you can leech on
> someone's crash and burn, but not this.
>
> The thing that pisses me off the most is that I didn't learn anything except
> to try and be alone with the chick. And after that, I guess I should keep
> her locked up with no visitors as long as I'm into her...
>
> rgds.
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Barbara Gildner
anything to this email address again!
Vince Runza
Or I'll hold my breath until I turn blue!
> Never send anything to this email address again!
Forgive me if this was crossposted. It was not meant to reach anyone but
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Vince
P.S. But if you came here and read this, it's your own fault.
max...@hotmail.com
whether AMOG or AFC's are mere speedbumps, they may make you slow down a
bit, or vere around them or just roll right over them, but they are not
roadblocks by any stretch of the imagination.
What I don't quite understand is why if another guy closes for a phone
number or a date, why does that take you out of the running?
If you can use these skills to sleep with women who are married, the
ultimate indication of a man having "won" a woman in our society, why
does a mere phone number exchange or date take you out?
A good follow up is to say to her, "ok, looks like you have plans on
Friday, what are you doing Saturday?" or better yet, ask her to breakfast
on Saturday morning. She's not going to admit that she might be busy
(getting busy) because that would imply that she was planning on hooking
up with a guy she just met. And she's unlikely to have him over or else
she'll miss going out with you. And if she does blow you off, she'll run
the risk of having you think she's a slut, if she cares. Lots of good
binds on that one.
Now, some women may respond with "I have another date" or "I can only
date one guy at a time" or some such, simply acknowledge what she says
and say "you look like the kind of woman who can handle more than one
guy, besides, right now you have now way of knowing whether it'll work
out with him or if it turns out HE'S A TOTAL LOSER"
With any luck, he'll be spending all the money, kissing her ass and
taking her out, and you'll capture and lead her into the right states and
get to have what he doesn't get.
Maxxin
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