The Cocky Funny Thing And David DeAnushole
ErosLA77
Cocky and Funny(which I've been teaching since my original book, way back in
1988) is neither original with DeAnushole, nor is it sufficient to get you
laid, unless your looks alone also are sufficient to get her hot looking at
you.
Let me use a metaphor: let's say you want to hunt deer. Someone gives you the
perfect camoflauge AND the perfect deer call.
You use the camoflauge to hide and the deer call works GREAT. Deer come from
all over the place..except..you haven't got a rifle, bow and arrow or weapon of
any kind. The deer show up, but you get NOWHERE.
DeAnushole has the "gear" of being very good looking, having VIP
introductions to women in the best, hottest clubs in town, an expensive house
with a great view of the city, a roomate who has more pussy running in and out
of his house than Hef. In other words, he's packing rifles and even bazookas
that he can't give you and expecting you to get somewhere with his camoflauge
and his deer call alone.
Plus, some of his advice is pretty dumb. The idea that women, have an
evolutionarily programmed mating instinct that is triggered when you smell
there hair is LAUGHABLE. Bad science, and bad observation. SOME women will
like it and get turned on by it, and others will just find it lame, annoying or
simply unexciting.
Plus his magic "get her email" advice for dealing with women in groups. Does
he even give examples of the kind of email you should send to get her attention
after this lame, AFC approach? Nope..I read his "book"..he leaves it entirely
up to you to figure it out.
The guy is just a lame ass poser, with alot of padding, and some good ideas
for getting your foot in the door, getting attention by NOT ass-kisssing. But
don't assume it will be enough for you if she isn't already hot for your looks.
I'd say his book could be shaved to 10 pages and would be worth about 5
bucks as a nice toilet read.
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>Look..this is what you guys aren't getting:
>
>Cocky and Funny(which I've been teaching since my original book, way back in
>1988)
What specifically did you have to say about it?
Bruce Feirstein wrote about the nice guy problem in "Nice Guys Sleep Alone"
back in 1986, although he didn't advocate "cocky and funny." Generally, most
people consider this to be "GM Style" theory, at least in these parts.
>is neither <snip> with <DeAngelo>
I disagree. Each author's expressions are definitely original, and their
ENTIRE SYSTEMS AS A WHOLE are as well. This is demonstrated by how each guru
will give different advice in the SAME SITUATION.
>nor is it sufficient to get you
>laid, unless your looks alone also are sufficient to get her hot looking at
>you.
The "Tao of Steve" suggests otherwise, that men can make an impression so
profound with their attitude that women can overlook the fact that they aren't
that good looking.
The really fat guys I know who women are very popular with tend to be cocky and
funny, come to think of it (if they're not wealty or thugs, that is).
>Let me use a metaphor: let's say you want to hunt deer. Someone gives you the
>perfect camoflauge AND the perfect deer call.
>
> You use the camoflauge to hide and the deer call works GREAT. Deer come
>from
>all over the place..except..you haven't got a rifle, bow and arrow or weapon
>of
>any kind. The deer show up, but you get NOWHERE.
Until you mass-produce your deer call, sell it, get rich, and collect the best
weapons!
> DeAnushole has the "gear" of being very good looking,
Thank you for the endorsement of CUPID as a valid mating concept!! This is the
"looks" category, which for men counts for 55 percent of his CUPID score under
the system.
Let's say a man scores 23 in looks, he'd get 92 percent of the CUPID points, or
50.6 points, which has him pushing sub-elite territory on looks alone, as one
should expect. A woman who scores 25 in looks is an automatic elite, which
also jibes with what goes on in the real world.
So we've established that looks must count a great deal here, which is what
I've said all along. Now, the question is, how high can a man raise his looks
score if he puts his mind to it? The answer is: very high. Factoring out
height for a minute (a man 5'6" can't get more than 15 looks points even if
he's "perfection"), a man can usually push his looks rating into the low 20s if
he works out, eats right, and dresses well, and most men can get it to the
15-20 range, where they wouldn't be destroyed by how they look.
Now why shouldn't a man do this if the rewards are so obvious, as you've
claimed here? It's not about being the best-looking man in the room, but about
how a man looks relative to HIS best. The former can't be controlled; the
latter can. I know that in six months women will be looking at me, and I can
choose to work out and gain points or not work out and lose them.
The man who has made the effort to develop what women want should be rewarded
for keeping to the task of seduction as much as the man who approaches 50
women. Sure, it's work to go to the gym and diet, but it's a lot LESS work to
show up looking good all the time than it is to have to try to overcome a looks
weakness.
Each man has this choice, and few men do anything to maximize their looks. I
don't even do it myself, as I'm rather overweight now, but I've done it in the
past, seen the results firsthand (I lost 42 pounds in 18 weeks and could
compare how women treated me), and know how to do it again should I decide to.
Plus there are the health benefits, plus the fact that you don't have to play
word games if you look good.
>having VIP
>introductions to women in the best, hottest clubs in town,
Was he issued these from MARS or did he WORK to make this happen in his life?
A lot of Foxhunting theory involves strategy, building ones life so the women
just FLOW from it. Seems David has proven that again by where he chooses to
live and who he chooses to hang out with. He has accumulated yet another
advantage, which he exploits.
You make it sound like other men couldn't get the same connections, when any
man who puts his mind to it can. Why put down the man who has made seducing
women an important part of his life? In fact, you don't even need money to do
this?
Now, let's give him some status points for his connections, and be generous and
give him a 23 rating there as well, 25 if he has money. Say 25 here for sake
of argument as he has a nice house.
That's 50.6 looks points and 20 status points, for his CUPID rating of 70.6 and
we have two categories to go. Actually one, as he's very popular so he gets
five "personality" points (for cocky and funny), which is also the max under
CUPID. Now he's rated 75.6 and we still haven't scored his brain.
>an expensive
>house
>with a great view of the city,
Like you're a poor man, Ross? How do most men who have your net worth and
income do with women?
>a roomate who has more pussy running in and
>out
>of his house than Hef.
Do you think he was accidentally placed into this life, or did he BUILD it?
I don't know David's situation personally, but a smart strategy for a guy with
money that I outline in Foxhunting is to use that money to get an extra room in
a city that can create this type of leverage.
In a simple example, if I had unlimited money, I'd get a three-bedroom
apartment in NYC near the clubs, take a roommate who has women all over the
place, and I'd never have to search.
The same strategy would work with a house in LA, although it's probably more
like David is attracting the women through his roommate than the other way
around, or they are equally strong and just part of that glamorous life women
love to lead.
>In other words, he's packing rifles and even bazookas
>that he can't give you
He doesn't have to "give" them to people. People can build their own weapons.
David has obviously built his. I don't think he woke up one day saying "Hey, I
look good, have money, and a friend who gets laid a lot!" Rather, he seems to
have systematically built his life so that he has every advantage. Excellent
strategy on his part.
> Plus his magic "get her email" advice for dealing with women in groups.
>Does
>he even give examples of the kind of email you should send to get her
>attention
>after this lame, AFC approach? Nope..I read his "book"..he leaves it entirely
>up to you to figure it out.
Actually, I get his free newsletters and I've seen him talk about this for
absolutely no charge.
> The guy is just a
Very popular writer!
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Newba...@cjp.net
Sorry Ross, but as I said before it the Cocky/Funny thing has worked
for me YEARS before I had even heard of you or D'Angelo.
I don't know about D'Angelo as I have never seen a picture of him but
I'm far from hadsome, have no real status as far as money goes , drive
a Honda Civic and still routinely get around 90% of the women I go
after using Cocky/Funny.
I guess it would be pretty upsetting to have someone write a book on
a pick-up technique that blows your own out of the water but with all
this name calling you are beginning to sound like a bitter old has
been to me.......
Newbaum
Odious
The question is do you get that 90% using ONLY the cocky/funny.
Nobody is saying that being cocky/funny is a bad or ineffective tool. I
have found it to work well myself... but mostly as an ice breaker/intro
method that I follow up with other stuff. Being cocky/funny gets real
old real quick if there is nothing else behind it.
In D'angelo's case most of what else there is, is stuff that one can not
get from reading his stuff. His book won't make you hot, it won't get
you rich, it won't get you into the best clubs, and it won't get you the
insane level of social proof that this guy gets from his circumstances.
What good is that to anybody else?
Odious
A Modern Caveman wrote:
>
> Ross Writes:
>
> >Look..this is what you guys aren't getting:
> >
> >Cocky and Funny(which I've been teaching since my original book, way back in
> >1988)
>
> What specifically did you have to say about it?
>
> Bruce Feirstein wrote about the nice guy problem in "Nice Guys Sleep Alone"
> back in 1986, although he didn't advocate "cocky and funny." Generally, most
> people consider this to be "GM Style" theory, at least in these parts.
>
Ray, did ross say he wrote about the idea, or that he invented it?
GTurney345
> I guess it would be pretty upsetting to have someone write a book on
>a pick-up technique that blows your own out of the water but with all
>this name calling you are beginning to sound like a bitter old has
>been to me.......
That's what it looks like to me too. It's a true sign you are running scared
when you have to resort to calling your competition names.
Newba...@cjp.net
Yep......
>
>Nobody is saying that being cocky/funny is a bad or ineffective tool. I
>have found it to work well myself... but mostly as an ice breaker/intro
>method that I follow up with other stuff. Being cocky/funny gets real
>old real quick if there is nothing else behind it.
Not if you do it right.
>
>In D'angelo's case most of what else there is, is stuff that one can not
>get from reading his stuff. His book won't make you hot, it won't get
>you rich, it won't get you into the best clubs, and it won't get you the
>insane level of social proof that this guy gets from his circumstances.
>
>What good is that to anybody else?
Like I said.... I am not great looking, have no real status as far as
money goes and definately don't go to the best clubs. Hell, there
aren't any really good clubs around here!
Odious.....I'm suprised it has taken you this long to weigh in on this
subject. You usually have your head up Ross's ass from the beginning.
You are a true "Yes Man" Odious. Ross must be proud of you.
Newbaum
A Modern Caveman
>get from reading his stuff. His book won't make you hot, it won't get
>you rich, it won't get you into the best clubs, and it won't get you the
>insane level of social proof that this guy gets from his circumstances.
Wow, you just endorsed CUPID and pivoting!!
Besides, you never hesitated to argue from CUPID when you try to attack MY
method, which actually explains how to set one's life up in a way that all
those things become possible.
I even SPECIFICALLY deal with this issue of how to build a life ideal for
seduction. What you attribute to nature isn't luck of the draw, it's HARD
WORK. All that's required is a guy analyze EVERY aspect of his life and each
time, do the thing that will help him to get laid.
It's called STRATEGY.
A Modern Caveman
>when you have to resort to calling your competition names.
Interesting comment you have there.
Mister Heex
> > The guy is just a
>
> Very popular writer!
>
>
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news:20021031143038...@mb-fc.aol.com:
> Look..this is what you guys aren't getting:
>
> Cocky and Funny(which I've been teaching since my original book, way
> back in 1988) is neither original with DeAnushole, nor is it
> sufficient to get you laid, unless your looks alone also are
> sufficient to get her hot looking at you.
>
Ross,
What about all the wonderful testimonials he puts in his newsletter every
week? He certain has you beat when it comes to positive testimonials week
after week. What's up with that? Are they fabrications or does his stuff
work that well for that many guys?
Vapor Rub
Vapor rub
news:3dc23464....@news.chartertn.net:
> I guess it would be pretty upsetting to have someone write a book on
> a pick-up technique that blows your own out of the water but with all
> this name calling you are beginning to sound like a bitter old has
> been to me.......
>
Calling someone "a bitter old has been" IS name calling, by the way.
And I agree, David's one pick up technique may in fact blow. Whether or not
it blows anyone out of the water is a testament to its blowing ability
which, if you are telling the truth, is quite strong indeed.
Vapor rub
Newba...@cjp.net
LOL.....Looks like we have another Ross Jeffries "Employee" to add to
the list of Riker and Odious!
ErosLA77
>From: Newba...@cjp.net
>Date: Fri, Nov 1, 2002 12:09 AM
>Message-id: <3dc23464....@news.chartertn.net>
> don't know about D'Angelo as I have never seen a picture of him but
>I'm far from hadsome, have no real status as far as money goes , drive
>a Honda Civic and still routinely get around 90% of the women I go
>after using Cocky/Funny.
I'll leave it to the readers to decide whether they believe ANYONE who claims
he gets 90% of the women he goes after.
Apply THAT degree of credibility to the rest of what you are saying......
RJ
Vapor rub
>
> LOL.....Looks like we have another Ross Jeffries "Employee" to add to
> the list of Riker and Odious!
>
I haven't plugged any website here except Formhandles. Have you plugged any
commercial web sites lately?
Vapor Rub
ErosLA77
>Date: Fri, Nov 1, 2002 9:56 AM
>Message-id: <Xns92B96F2B27AF3no...@216.168.3.44>
>Ross,
>What about all the wonderful testimonials he puts in his newsletter every
>
>week? He certain has you beat when it comes to positive testimonials week
>
>after week. What's up with that? Are they fabrications or does his stuff
>
Judge for yourself...does he give the person's FULL name, along with their city
and state?
>work that well for that many guys?
Personally, I think it is crap. Someone who appeared at his first seminar
thinks it is mostly crap too.
A Modern Caveman
>claims
>he gets 90% of the women he goes after.
Anyone here want to dig up some poster (not Ross) who claimed a 70 percent
success rate with another method?
I'm lazy or I'd do it.
A Modern Caveman
>> the list of Riker and Odious!
>>
>
>
>I haven't plugged any website here except Formhandles. Have you plugged any
>commercial web sites lately?
Define "commercial." A site can be free and still be commercial.
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Odious
A Modern Caveman wrote:
>
> >> >Look..this is what you guys aren't getting:
> >> >
> >> >Cocky and Funny(which I've been teaching since my original book, way back
> >in
> >> >1988)
> >>
> >> What specifically did you have to say about it?
> >>
> >> Bruce Feirstein wrote about the nice guy problem in "Nice Guys Sleep Alone"
> >> back in 1986, although he didn't advocate "cocky and funny." Generally,
> >most
> >> people consider this to be "GM Style" theory, at least in these parts.
> >>
> >
> >Ray, did ross say he wrote about the idea, or that he invented it?
>
> Did David?
You were responding to Ross' comment, not David's.
Odious
I don't buy it. Either your definitions of cocky and funny are so wide
as to encompass a number of other behaviors, or you are not aware of the
other behaviors you exhibit, because limiting your social and interactive
pallet to just being funny and cocky is like watching the wizard of oz on
a black and white tv... ok for the first 10 minutes, but after that you
can tell something is missing.
> >
> >Nobody is saying that being cocky/funny is a bad or ineffective tool. I
> >have found it to work well myself... but mostly as an ice breaker/intro
> >method that I follow up with other stuff. Being cocky/funny gets real
> >old real quick if there is nothing else behind it.
>
> Not if you do it right.
Well please, by all means, describe in specific detail "doing it right."
I seriously doubt you can do so with nothing but cocky and funny.
> >
> >In D'angelo's case most of what else there is, is stuff that one can not
> >get from reading his stuff. His book won't make you hot, it won't get
> >you rich, it won't get you into the best clubs, and it won't get you the
> >insane level of social proof that this guy gets from his circumstances.
> >
> >What good is that to anybody else?
>
> Like I said.... I am not great looking, have no real status as far as
> money goes and definately don't go to the best clubs. Hell, there
> aren't any really good clubs around here!
And you claim you are picking up the same level of women as david, by
doing nothing throughout the entire interaction from first meeting to
last good-bye but be cocky and funny? No intelligent conversation, no
insightfullness, no passion, no lust, no excitement, no desire... just
jokes and snide remarks?
> Odious.....I'm suprised it has taken you this long to weigh in on this
> subject. You usually have your head up Ross's ass from the beginning.
>
> You are a true "Yes Man" Odious. Ross must be proud of you.
Why not answer my questions instead of calling me names? Because
afterall, "It's a true sign you are running scared when you have to
Odious
A Modern Caveman wrote:
>
> >In D'angelo's case most of what else there is, is stuff that one can not
> >get from reading his stuff. His book won't make you hot, it won't get
> >you rich, it won't get you into the best clubs, and it won't get you the
> >insane level of social proof that this guy gets from his circumstances.
>
> Wow, you just endorsed CUPID and pivoting!!
>
> Besides, you never hesitated to argue from CUPID when you try to attack MY
> method,
Because CUPID is a retarded rating system based on your own assumptions
and ridiculous delusional rationalizations of your own unending failure.
As a rating system it is useless padded garbage.
Social proof is a fantastically effective persuasion tool and that's been
well established for a lot longer than any of us have been around.
Slapping a new name on existing concepts, doesn't make them you ideas,
ray.
>which actually explains how to set one's life up in a way that all
> those things become possible.
>
As evident by your amazing level of social and personal success, right
ray. LOL!
> I even SPECIFICALLY deal with this issue of how to build a life ideal for
> seduction. What you attribute to nature isn't luck of the draw, it's HARD
> WORK. All that's required is a guy analyze EVERY aspect of his life and each
> time, do the thing that will help him to get laid.
>
> It's called STRATEGY.
LOL! Yeah ray, get rich, be famous, be handsome and popular and then
you'll get laid. Very ground breaking advice there.
However if a method let you get laid without being rich, famous, handsome
or popular... wouldn't that be a far more effective and appealing system?
Odious
I find it odd that this guy would accuse someone who recommends speed
seduction of being employed by ross, as he openly recommends someone
else's product. BUt then he is also calling ross names while saying that
calling your competition names means you're a bitter has been.
Odious
A Modern Caveman wrote:
>
> > I'll leave it to the readers to decide whether they believe ANYONE who
> >claims
> >he gets 90% of the women he goes after.
>
> Anyone here want to dig up some poster (not Ross) who claimed a 70 percent
> success rate with another method?
>
Ray, I think you are referring to my comment where I said "Yep...walk up
cold approach...70% that you'll get somewhere. Meaning a number or
more."
That's hardly the same as saying you get, which I take to mean fuck, 90%
of the women you approach.
Newba...@cjp.net
>>Subject: Re: The Cocky Funny Thing And David DeAnushole
>>From: Newba...@cjp.net
>>Date: Fri, Nov 1, 2002 12:09 AM
>>Message-id: <3dc23464....@news.chartertn.net>
>
>> don't know about D'Angelo as I have never seen a picture of him but
>>I'm far from hadsome, have no real status as far as money goes , drive
>>a Honda Civic and still routinely get around 90% of the women I go
>>after using Cocky/Funny.
>
> I'll leave it to the readers to decide whether they believe ANYONE who claims
>he gets 90% of the women he goes after.
>
> Apply THAT degree of credibility to the rest of what you are saying......
>
>RJ
I stand by what I said Ross..... I routinely get 90% of all women I
decide to go after using Cocky/Funny.
I'm sorry this fact seems to upset you so but I guess you'll just
have to get over it!
Newbaum
Newba...@cjp.net
I've givin examples of this in previous threads. If you are too lazy
to read those threads it's not my fault!
>> >In D'angelo's case most of what else there is, is stuff that one can not
>> >get from reading his stuff. His book won't make you hot, it won't get
>> >you rich, it won't get you into the best clubs, and it won't get you the
>> >insane level of social proof that this guy gets from his circumstances.
>> >
>> >What good is that to anybody else?
>>
>> Like I said.... I am not great looking, have no real status as far as
>> money goes and definately don't go to the best clubs. Hell, there
>> aren't any really good clubs around here!
>
>And you claim you are picking up the same level of women as david, by
>doing nothing throughout the entire interaction from first meeting to
>last good-bye but be cocky and funny? No intelligent conversation, no
>insightfullness, no passion, no lust, no excitement, no desire... just
>jokes and snide remarks?
Odious......Please show me where I said that. I SAID, that I routinely
GET 90% of the women I set out to get using Cocky/Funny.
>
>
>> Odious.....I'm suprised it has taken you this long to weigh in on this
>> subject. You usually have your head up Ross's ass from the beginning.
>>
>> You are a true "Yes Man" Odious. Ross must be proud of you.
>
>Why not answer my questions instead of calling me names? Because
>afterall, "It's a true sign you are running scared when you have to
>resort to calling your competition names."
Odious once again you are confused there son. I never said anyone was
"Running Scared" that was another poster. I said that Ross was coming
off as a bitter old has been by bashing his competition.
If you need instructions on how to read a USENET thread e-mail me
and I will be more than happy to give you lessons on this subject.
As far as my calling you names.......I'll just say you have a very
LONG history of being Jeffries little "Yes man" in every situation.
Newbaum
Beaver Hunter
claims
> >he gets 90% of the women he goes after.
> >
> > Apply THAT degree of credibility to the rest of what you are
saying......
> >
> >RJ
>
>
> I stand by what I said Ross..... I routinely get 90% of all women I
> decide to go after using Cocky/Funny.
>
> I'm sorry this fact seems to upset you so but I guess you'll just
> have to get over it!
>
> Newbaum
Dude, since no one will say it directly, I think you are FULL OF SHIT and
pushing your own agenda.
BeaverHunter
Newba...@cjp.net
Sorry that the truth hurts your feelings so much Beaver Boy....
Guess you'll just have to get over it !
Newbaum
Andrew Douglas
Andrew
Newba...@cjp.net
<adou...@lightningsat.com> wrote:
>Major Mark claims in one of your videos that his success is 100%.
Yep......Looks like Ross stuck his foot in his mouth once again!
>
>Andrew
>
>
Ross
> From: "Andrew Douglas" <adou...@lightningsat.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:16:08 +1000
> Subject: Re: The Cocky Funny Thing And David DeAnushole
>
> Major Mark claims in one of your videos that his success is 100%.
>
> Andrew
>
>
He claimed his success as a clinical hypnotist is 100%, not his success as a
seducer, but nice try, Gilroy.
Odious
Newba...@cjp.net wrote:
>
> On 01 Nov 2002 19:26:24 GMT, eros...@aol.com (ErosLA77) wrote:
>
> >>Subject: Re: The Cocky Funny Thing And David DeAnushole
> >>From: Newba...@cjp.net
> >>Date: Fri, Nov 1, 2002 12:09 AM
> >>Message-id: <3dc23464....@news.chartertn.net>
> >
> >> don't know about D'Angelo as I have never seen a picture of him but
> >>I'm far from hadsome, have no real status as far as money goes , drive
> >>a Honda Civic and still routinely get around 90% of the women I go
> >>after using Cocky/Funny.
> >
> > I'll leave it to the readers to decide whether they believe ANYONE who claims
> >he gets 90% of the women he goes after.
> >
> > Apply THAT degree of credibility to the rest of what you are saying......
> >
> >RJ
>
> I stand by what I said Ross..... I routinely get 90% of all women I
> decide to go after using Cocky/Funny.
>
Ahhh, I take it you don't "decide to go after" the one who reject you?
Odious
Oh an evasion and excuse, what a surprise.
Care to cite one of these posts?
> >> >In D'angelo's case most of what else there is, is stuff that one can not
> >> >get from reading his stuff. His book won't make you hot, it won't get
> >> >you rich, it won't get you into the best clubs, and it won't get you the
> >> >insane level of social proof that this guy gets from his circumstances.
> >> >
> >> >What good is that to anybody else?
> >>
> >> Like I said.... I am not great looking, have no real status as far as
> >> money goes and definately don't go to the best clubs. Hell, there
> >> aren't any really good clubs around here!
> >
> >And you claim you are picking up the same level of women as david, by
> >doing nothing throughout the entire interaction from first meeting to
> >last good-bye but be cocky and funny? No intelligent conversation, no
> >insightfullness, no passion, no lust, no excitement, no desire... just
> >jokes and snide remarks?
>
> Odious......Please show me where I said that.
Ummm by "that" are you referring to getting women of the same quality as
david or that the entire interaction is limited only to cocky or funny
social interaction?
> I SAID, that I routinely
> GET 90% of the women I set out to get using Cocky/Funny.
And are those women of the same quality as david gets, or are these women
who are... well, lets just say less of a challenge?
> >
> >
> >> Odious.....I'm suprised it has taken you this long to weigh in on this
> >> subject. You usually have your head up Ross's ass from the beginning.
> >>
> >> You are a true "Yes Man" Odious. Ross must be proud of you.
> >
> >Why not answer my questions instead of calling me names? Because
> >afterall, "It's a true sign you are running scared when you have to
> >resort to calling your competition names."
>
> Odious once again you are confused there son. I never said anyone was
> "Running Scared" that was another poster.
Funny, I recall you agreeing with that individual's posts.
> I said that Ross was coming
> off as a bitter old has been by bashing his competition.
And accordingly what does it say about you that you are not only bashing
and name calling ross, but also hypocritically whining about the very
behavior your are yourself demonstrating?
> If you need instructions on how to read a USENET thread e-mail me
> and I will be more than happy to give you lessons on this subject.
>
> As far as my calling you names.......I'll just say you have a very
> LONG history of being Jeffries little "Yes man" in every situation.
As you are now being david's yes man... so how does your hypocritical
behavior serve as an answer to the questions I posed? It would seem you
are more interested in flaming than anything else.
Odious
Well the fact he has an agenda is obvious... he's come here to bash ross
and generate attention for this book. He's hardly the first to do so.
Odious
Andrew Douglas wrote:
>
> Major Mark claims in one of your videos that his success is 100%.
>
> Andrew
Success at what, hypnosis or seduction?
Newba...@cjp.net
That's not what I said yes boy.
I *SEE* a woman I want to persue, I go after her and I get her 90% of
the time using Cocky/Funny.
You get confused easily don't you Odious?
Newbaum
Newba...@cjp.net
Sorry Odious, but the "Bashing" as you call it only started on my part
when your employer Jeffries started crying that DYD wouldn't work
unless you were good looking, had a great car or already had status
with women from all of the above.
His reaction speaks *volumes* about how secure he is with his own
system of SS!
Newbaum
Odious
Newba...@cjp.net wrote:
>
> On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:57:20 GMT, Odious <Odi...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Newba...@cjp.net wrote:
> >>
> >> On 01 Nov 2002 19:26:24 GMT, eros...@aol.com (ErosLA77) wrote:
> >>
> >> >>Subject: Re: The Cocky Funny Thing And David DeAnushole
> >> >>From: Newba...@cjp.net
> >> >>Date: Fri, Nov 1, 2002 12:09 AM
> >> >>Message-id: <3dc23464....@news.chartertn.net>
> >> >
> >> >> don't know about D'Angelo as I have never seen a picture of him but
> >> >>I'm far from hadsome, have no real status as far as money goes , drive
> >> >>a Honda Civic and still routinely get around 90% of the women I go
> >> >>after using Cocky/Funny.
> >> >
> >> > I'll leave it to the readers to decide whether they believe ANYONE who claims
> >> >he gets 90% of the women he goes after.
> >> >
> >> > Apply THAT degree of credibility to the rest of what you are saying......
> >> >
> >> >RJ
> >>
> >> I stand by what I said Ross..... I routinely get 90% of all women I
> >> decide to go after using Cocky/Funny.
> >>
> >
> >Ahhh, I take it you don't "decide to go after" the one who reject you?
>
> That's not what I said yes boy.
You said, "I routinely get 90% of all women I decide to go after using
Cocky/Funny."
Meaning you decide not to go after some, and those women are not counted
in your percentage. I'm simply trying to nail down that number you're
shaving off the top.
> I *SEE* a woman I want to persue, I go after her and I get her 90% of
> the time using Cocky/Funny.
Of all the women you approach, or all of the women you approach AND
decide to go after?
Newba...@cjp.net
Odious........Do YOU go after *every* woman you come into contact with
everyday no matter if they don't appeal to you, no matter how old they
are, no matter how ugly, no matter if they are beautiful but psycho
etc.....?
>
>> I *SEE* a woman I want to persue, I go after her and I get her 90% of
>> the time using Cocky/Funny.
>
>Of all the women you approach, or all of the women you approach AND
>decide to go after?
All the women I approach with the intent of laying them.
Hope this clears up the massive confusion you seem to suffer from the
majority of the time.
Newbaum
Odious
Why do you continue to lie about what ross says when he quotes are so
readily available?
______________________________________________________________________
" To say he is cocky and funny says nothing: I was teaching guys to be
cocky and
funny in my original book in 1988 when DeAnushole was just out of High
School.
>Why don't you go tell him he's a fool and it doesn't
>work well and the other methods he uses from Double your Dating are foolishly
>ridiculous.
Because that isn't my point. As Voltaire once said about someone,
"What is
original isn't any good and what is good isn't original."
I never said cocky and funny isn't useful. I've said it, by itself,
won't
get you past some initial attention, that it ignores the important
information
gathering you need to do in order to effectively seduce a woman, that
done too
much it will offend and break rapport, and that DeAngelo himself is NOT
being
honest about how much weight it carries in terms of his own success-that
if you
subtracted out his looks and his social conditions, cocky and funny would
NOT
be enough for him just as it is not enough for guys who don't have his
looks or
his social conditions.
I'm not saying you should think his system is entirely without worth.
I'm
saying he's been deceptive about the causes of whatever success he
himself has,
and that further, his evolutionary ideas and junk-science about women's
genetic
programming are both plain stupid and wrong, and also inserted to pad his
program out to make it have a higher perceived value so he can charge
more for
it. It's a toss up as to whether he himself believes these stupid ideas,
but
I'm almost completely certain he's stuck it in to pad out his seminars
and his
ebook. "
______________________________________________________________________
Looks to me like ross did not say it would not work without looks, rather
that it works, but not alone. In David's case he supplements the
cocky/funny thing with looks, status, money etc. Something others can't
really get from his book.
So then the question is what do those men use to supplement cocky/funny
if not looks and status? Because Ross is right that nothing but
cocky/funny will break rapport, because that shit goes from cute to
annoying real fast. I think we've all been around someone like that,
someone who was NOTHING but smartass remarks and trying to get laughs.
It is funny in small doses, like as an ice breaker, but if you got
nothing else, you're going home alone.
And like Ross points out, and you continue to ignore, he has been
teaching cocky funny for more than a decade. Being cocky and funny is
effective to some ends, but alone it isn't going to get you across the
finish line.
SSers supplement with many other tools, and use cocky funny as an ice
breaker to open doors, not as the only means of interaction. I suspect
you do as well, which is why you do not want to go into any level of
specific detail, lest the other things you are using get pointed out.
> His reaction speaks *volumes* about how secure he is with his own
> system of SS!
>
You are the one in the SS group bashing Ross, not the other way around.
Newba...@cjp.net
Once again you are confused Odious.......I have stated SEVERAL times
here I am nort handsome, have no status or money, drive 5 year old
Honda Civic for God's sake and it works great for me!
>
>So then the question is what do those men use to supplement cocky/funny
>if not looks and status? Because Ross is right that nothing but
>cocky/funny will break rapport, because that shit goes from cute to
>annoying real fast. I think we've all been around someone like that,
>someone who was NOTHING but smartass remarks and trying to get laughs.
>It is funny in small doses, like as an ice breaker, but if you got
>nothing else, you're going home alone.
>
>And like Ross points out, and you continue to ignore, he has been
>teaching cocky funny for more than a decade. Being cocky and funny is
>effective to some ends, but alone it isn't going to get you across the
>finish line.
See above.......
>
>SSers supplement with many other tools, and use cocky funny as an ice
>breaker to open doors, not as the only means of interaction. I suspect
>you do as well, which is why you do not want to go into any level of
>specific detail, lest the other things you are using get pointed out.
>
>
>> His reaction speaks *volumes* about how secure he is with his own
>> system of SS!
>>
>
>You are the one in the SS group bashing Ross, not the other way around.
You and your employer Ross started the bashing not me Odious. Face it
sonny.....everybody knows what happened.
BTW: Why won't you accept my challenge to make a post like I did
telling everyone to not listen to what you or myself say regarding the
DYD vs SS argument and just use their own judgement and see for
themselves which is the better system?
Are you scared to make a post like that.....?
Newbaum
Mister Heex
amodern...@aol.com (A Modern Caveman) wrote:
> > I'll leave it to the readers to decide whether they believe ANYONE who
> >claims
> >he gets 90% of the women he goes after.
Anyone here want to dig up some poster (not Ross) who claimed a 70 percent
success rate with another method?
I'm lazy or I'd do it.
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GREAT FUCKING CD series out and is making waves with it.
Ross knows that SS alone will get you nowhere. He just dosen't want to
starve to death because DD is taking his business.
IMHO, a guy IN THE FIELD that has done both SS and DD and MM and 1 on
1 and such, DD is better because it focuses on attitude rather than
patternspeak.
This said, SS has an inherent value when you are 1 on 1 with a babe.
MTL
Odious
I'm not the one claiming i fuck 90% of the women I "decide to go after"
and you are.
Why are you so afraid to nail down the specifies of your selection
process?
Afraid your claims will ring hollow?
> >
> >> I *SEE* a woman I want to persue, I go after her and I get her 90% of
> >> the time using Cocky/Funny.
> >
> >Of all the women you approach, or all of the women you approach AND
> >decide to go after?
>
> All the women I approach with the intent of laying them.
>
So do you reach the conclusion as to you intent to lay them before or
after approaching?
Odious
Are you David? Because it looks to me like I specifically stated, "In
David's case he supplements the cocky/funny thing with looks, status,
money etc."
What part of IN DAVID'S CASE was referring to you?
As you can see in the paragraphs below, I address the issue of
alternative supplements to the cocky/funny method that other men use, and
in that I do specifically address you, but oddly you ignored that.
> >SSers supplement with many other tools, and use cocky funny as an ice
> >breaker to open doors, not as the only means of interaction. I suspect
> >you do as well, which is why you do not want to go into any level of
> >specific detail, lest the other things you are using get pointed out.
> >
> >
> >> His reaction speaks *volumes* about how secure he is with his own
> >> system of SS!
> >>
> >
> >You are the one in the SS group bashing Ross, not the other way around.
>
> You and your employer Ross started the bashing not me Odious.
The google archive proves otherwise... you were bashing before ross or I
ever responded to you.
__________________________________________
From: Newba...@cjp.net
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: COCKY & FUNNY
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:05:19 GMT
LOL! The only guy that seems to be all in a big tizzy over the whole
thing is that "No_ One" character whose only argument seems to be
that any success with Cocky/Funny is due to the fact that I am the
one who is doing the choosing of the the women I want to get!
Sigh........Maybe one day these little boys will learn.
Newbaum
__________________________________________
> Face it
> sonny.....everybody knows what happened.
Yeah, like gunny, herro, vapor, and beaver to name a few.
Odious
MTL_PUA wrote:
>
> Guys, I think Ross feels a little threatened because DD already has a
> GREAT FUCKING CD series out and is making waves with it.
>
> Ross knows that SS alone will get you nowhere. He just dosen't want to
> starve to death because DD is taking his business.
>
> IMHO, a guy IN THE FIELD that has done both SS and DD and MM and 1 on
> 1 and such, DD is better because it focuses on attitude rather than
> patternspeak.
>
To say SS focuses on patterns over attitude is blatantly false, as a
great deal of SS focuses on non supplication, state control, and ross has
been teaching the cocky funny thing for over a decade.
Odious
Are you David? Because it looks to me like I specifically stated, "In
David's case he supplements the cocky/funny thing with looks, status,
money etc."
What part of IN DAVID'S CASE was referring to you?
As you can see in the paragraphs below, I address the issue of
alternative supplements to the cocky/funny method that other men use, and
in that I do specifically address you, but oddly you ignored that.
> >SSers supplement with many other tools, and use cocky funny as an ice
> >breaker to open doors, not as the only means of interaction. I suspect
> >you do as well, which is why you do not want to go into any level of
> >specific detail, lest the other things you are using get pointed out.
> >
> >
> >> His reaction speaks *volumes* about how secure he is with his own
> >> system of SS!
> >>
> >
> >You are the one in the SS group bashing Ross, not the other way around.
>
> You and your employer Ross started the bashing not me Odious.
The google archive proves otherwise... you were bashing before ross or I
ever responded to you.
__________________________________________
From: Newba...@cjp.net
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: COCKY & FUNNY
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:05:19 GMT
LOL! The only guy that seems to be all in a big tizzy over the whole
thing is that "No_ One" character whose only argument seems to be
that any success with Cocky/Funny is due to the fact that I am the
one who is doing the choosing of the the women I want to get!
Sigh........Maybe one day these little boys will learn.
Newbaum
__________________________________________
> Face it
> sonny.....everybody knows what happened.
Odious
Are you David? Because it looks to me like I specifically stated, "In
David's case he supplements the cocky/funny thing with looks, status,
money etc."
What part of IN DAVID'S CASE was referring to you?
As you can see in the paragraphs below, I address the issue of
alternative supplements to the cocky/funny method that other men use, and
in that I do specifically address you, but oddly you ignored that.
> >SSers supplement with many other tools, and use cocky funny as an ice
> >breaker to open doors, not as the only means of interaction. I suspect
> >you do as well, which is why you do not want to go into any level of
> >specific detail, lest the other things you are using get pointed out.
> >
> >
> >> His reaction speaks *volumes* about how secure he is with his own
> >> system of SS!
> >>
> >
> >You are the one in the SS group bashing Ross, not the other way around.
>
> You and your employer Ross started the bashing not me Odious.
The google archive proves otherwise... you were bashing before ross or I
ever responded to you.
__________________________________________
From: Newba...@cjp.net
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: COCKY & FUNNY
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:05:19 GMT
LOL! The only guy that seems to be all in a big tizzy over the whole
thing is that "No_ One" character whose only argument seems to be
that any success with Cocky/Funny is due to the fact that I am the
one who is doing the choosing of the the women I want to get!
Sigh........Maybe one day these little boys will learn.
Newbaum
__________________________________________
> Face it
> sonny.....everybody knows what happened.
Odious
Are you David? Because it looks to me like I specifically stated, "In
David's case he supplements the cocky/funny thing with looks, status,
money etc."
What part of IN DAVID'S CASE was referring to you?
As you can see in the paragraphs below, I address the issue of
alternative supplements to the cocky/funny method that other men use, and
in that I do specifically address you, but oddly you ignored that.
> >SSers supplement with many other tools, and use cocky funny as an ice
> >breaker to open doors, not as the only means of interaction. I suspect
> >you do as well, which is why you do not want to go into any level of
> >specific detail, lest the other things you are using get pointed out.
> >
> >
> >> His reaction speaks *volumes* about how secure he is with his own
> >> system of SS!
> >>
> >
> >You are the one in the SS group bashing Ross, not the other way around.
>
> You and your employer Ross started the bashing not me Odious.
The google archive proves otherwise... you were bashing before ross or I
ever responded to you.
__________________________________________
From: Newba...@cjp.net
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: COCKY & FUNNY
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:05:19 GMT
LOL! The only guy that seems to be all in a big tizzy over the whole
thing is that "No_ One" character whose only argument seems to be
that any success with Cocky/Funny is due to the fact that I am the
one who is doing the choosing of the the women I want to get!
Sigh........Maybe one day these little boys will learn.
Newbaum
__________________________________________
> Face it
> sonny.....everybody knows what happened.
Odious
MTL_PUA wrote:
>
> Guys, I think Ross feels a little threatened because DD already has a
> GREAT FUCKING CD series out and is making waves with it.
>
> Ross knows that SS alone will get you nowhere. He just dosen't want to
> starve to death because DD is taking his business.
>
> IMHO, a guy IN THE FIELD that has done both SS and DD and MM and 1 on
> 1 and such, DD is better because it focuses on attitude rather than
> patternspeak.
>
To say SS focuses on patterns over attitude is not correct, as a great
A Modern Caveman
>that it works, but not alone. In David's case he supplements the
>cocky/funny thing with looks, status, money etc. Something others can't
>really get from his book.
They don't need to, as these are BASIC things. I actually cover how to present
a high CUPID rating to the world in my books, which are FREE.
>So then the question is what do those men use to supplement cocky/funny
>if not looks and status? Because Ross is right that nothing but
>cocky/funny will break rapport, because that shit goes from cute to
>annoying real fast.
Women NEVER fuck men who annoy them, oh no....
A Modern Caveman
>> >> I'm far from hadsome, have no real status as far as money goes , drive
>> >> a Honda Civic and still routinely get around 90% of the women I go
>> >> after using Cocky/Funny.
>> >
>>
>> Yep......
>
>I don't buy it. Either your definitions of cocky and funny are so wide
>as to encompass a number of other behaviors, or you are not aware of the
>other behaviors you exhibit, because limiting your social and interactive
>pallet to just being funny and cocky is like watching the wizard of oz on
>a black and white tv... ok for the first 10 minutes, but after that you
>can tell something is missing.
I don't think DeAngelo's approach is that one-dimensional. It's more like
"live normally, but when a woman is around, be this way."
I also don't think his high CUPID rating is an accident. He just made his life
so that he's popular with hot women. Men can do this much more easily than you
think.
>> >Nobody is saying that being cocky/funny is a bad or ineffective tool. I
>> >have found it to work well myself... but mostly as an ice breaker/intro
>> >method that I follow up with other stuff. Being cocky/funny gets real
>> >old real quick if there is nothing else behind it.
>>
>> Not if you do it right.
>
>Well please, by all means, describe in specific detail "doing it right."
It means not making mistakes and when women show interest, to respond in a way
that converts it to sex.
>I seriously doubt you can do so with nothing but cocky and funny.
I've seen men do it.
>> Like I said.... I am not great looking, have no real status as far as
>> money goes and definately don't go to the best clubs. Hell, there
>> aren't any really good clubs around here!
>
>And you claim you are picking up the same level of women as david, by
>doing nothing throughout the entire interaction from first meeting to
>last good-bye but be cocky and funny? No intelligent conversation, no
>insightfullness, no passion, no lust, no excitement, no desire... just
>jokes and snide remarks?
Those areas are covered in his newsletters.
>> Odious.....I'm suprised it has taken you this long to weigh in on this
>> subject. You usually have your head up Ross's ass from the beginning.
>>
>> You are a true "Yes Man" Odious. Ross must be proud of you.
>
>Why not answer my questions instead of calling me names? Because
>afterall, "It's a true sign you are running scared when you have to
>resort to calling your competition names."
You mean like when you do nothing BUT call me names or tell lies about me?
A Modern Caveman
>cold approach...70% that you'll get somewhere. Meaning a number or
>more."
Let's put that one to the test then.
70 percent #closes on cold approaches.
Mister Heex
Nomen Nescio
>
> Odious wrote:
>>
>> Looks to me like ross did not say it would not work
>> without looks, rather that it works, but not alone.
>> In David's case he supplements the cocky/funny thing
>> with looks, status, money etc. Something others can't
>> really get from his book.
>
> They don't need to, as these are BASIC things. I actually
> cover how to present a high CUPID rating to the world in
> my books, which are FREE.
You are actually advocating being DISHONEST here. "Present
a high rating" as in "present a high rating that you don't
actually have"
What will the WOMEN think about yet another loser who tries
so hard to show her that he's something he's not? What will
they do when an anti-foxhunter shows them how they've been
treated? "Say, miss: Here is what he's doing to you. He thinks
that you're only interested in looks, money, and height, and
that whatever your interest in his personality, and how he
treats you is just a secondary thing. And by the way, he's
wearing elevator shoes, had to borrow money to pay the cover
charge, and when he gets home, he'll have to take his medication
to help him recover from the anxiety attacks he's hiding because
he went outside his apartment. Oh, and by the way, He claims
to be some sort of seduction guru, and is only interested in
using you to try to prove that he can get girls. What do you
think of that?
>> So then the question is what do those men use to supplement
>> cocky/funny if not looks and status? Because Ross is right
>> that nothing but cocky/funny will break rapport, because that
>> shit goes from cute to annoying real fast.
>
> Women NEVER fuck men who annoy them, oh no....
And you know this from bitter personal experience. We thought so.
Where are everyone's subpoenas?
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Mister Heex
Mister Heex
ErosLA77
>Date: Tue, Nov 5, 2002 12:59 PM
>Message-id: <8c9c7343.02110...@posting.google.com>
>
>Guys, I think Ross feels a little threatened because DD already has a
>GREAT FUCKING CD series out and is making waves with it.
DD is just one of MANY parasites who have formed and "unter-kulture" based on
my work. He sees money to be made, so he's jumped into the fray with a fairly
low-cost product.
My objections in particular to DD are:
1. He's being utterly dishonest as to the causes of his OWN success.
2. He can't possibly understand the challenges and problems of guys in whose
shoes he's never had to walk. I know the guy and he has ALWAYS done pretty well
with women, even BEFORE he came up with his "method", based solely on his looks
and his exposure as a speaker at real-estate marketing seminars.
3. His method is primarily about ASSUMING a persona: someone who is cocky,
arrogant, never gives a woman a straight answer etc.
That is MUCH better than being AFC. But he leaves out entirely gathering
information about the girl, finding out what moves her, using your language to
move her imagination because those things are "unmanly" and don't match the
arrogant persona he wants you to adopt.
4. Some of his other advice is just dumb: get emails, bathe 3 times a day.
5. He pads his material with crackpot theories on genetic programming and
evolutionary biology that he either is smart enough to know are not true and
valid or that just have no real bearing on any practical method.
>
>Ross knows that SS alone will get you nowhere. He just dosen't want to
>starve to death because DD is taking his business.
What do you mean by "SS alone"? I teach approaches as well as what to do when
you have her isolated/alone, so I really wonder what YOU mean by SS and what
material you actually have studied.
>
>IMHO, a guy IN THE FIELD that has done both SS and DD and MM and 1 on
>1 and such, DD is better because it focuses on attitude rather than
>patternspeak.
This betrays a woeful ignorance of SS, as it stands today and has for
sometime. A huge part of it is about gathering information, asking questions,
using her responses and very, VERY little of it is about canned "patternspeak".
You are way, WAY behind the curve and I invite you to purchase some of the
newer material, most especially the LA 99 Frame Control videos.
>
>This said, SS has an inherent value when you are 1 on 1 with a babe.
It has much much much more value than you can imagine if you could see where
the tech is today..you'd laugh hysterically at even trying to compare DD with
it.
I actually think Mystery has some good, hard-hitting, valuable stuff for
working clubs/groups whereas DD is mostly fluff, posturing, and creating a
persona that MIGHT work on SOME girls, if you also have the looks/social
status/social proof to back it up.
What is good in DD...being cocky and funny..is NOT original.
In short, DD has NO method and NO system. It's about adopting a persona.
Mystery DOES have a method with real application, and SS is not just a method,
but a methodology for finding and adapting whatever works. You can incorporate
virtually anything into it.
As someone once said about Pittsburg, "there's no "there" there."
>
>MTL
>
>
>
>
>
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Odious
A Modern Caveman wrote:
>
> >> >> I don't know about D'Angelo as I have never seen a picture of him but
> >> >> I'm far from hadsome, have no real status as far as money goes , drive
> >> >> a Honda Civic and still routinely get around 90% of the women I go
> >> >> after using Cocky/Funny.
> >> >
> >> >The question is do you get that 90% using ONLY the cocky/funny.
> >>
> >> Yep......
> >
> >I don't buy it. Either your definitions of cocky and funny are so wide
> >as to encompass a number of other behaviors, or you are not aware of the
> >other behaviors you exhibit, because limiting your social and interactive
> >pallet to just being funny and cocky is like watching the wizard of oz on
> >a black and white tv... ok for the first 10 minutes, but after that you
> >can tell something is missing.
>
> I don't think DeAngelo's approach is that one-dimensional. It's more like
> "live normally, but when a woman is around, be this way."
>
That proves my point ray... if it is structured like that, then it is not
just the cocky/funny thing in action. It is the whole of all the social
skills one has learned previously in their life that they are using to
prop up the cocky/funny ice breaker stuff.
> >I seriously doubt you can do so with nothing but cocky and funny.
>
> I've seen men do it.
Yeah but what does your time at camp have to do with the discussion at
hand?
> >> Like I said.... I am not great looking, have no real status as far as
> >> money goes and definately don't go to the best clubs. Hell, there
> >> aren't any really good clubs around here!
> >
> >And you claim you are picking up the same level of women as david, by
> >doing nothing throughout the entire interaction from first meeting to
> >last good-bye but be cocky and funny? No intelligent conversation, no
> >insightfullness, no passion, no lust, no excitement, no desire... just
> >jokes and snide remarks?
>
> Those areas are covered in his newsletters.
Raytard, did you read what I wrote?
toecutter
> >Subject: Re: The Cocky Funny Thing And David DeAnushole
> >From: sly...@videotron.ca (MTL_PUA)
> >Date: Tue, Nov 5, 2002 12:59 PM
> >Message-id: <8c9c7343.02110...@posting.google.com>
> >
> >Guys, I think Ross feels a little threatened because DD already has a
> >GREAT FUCKING CD series out and is making waves with it.
>
> DD is just one of MANY parasites who have formed and "unter-kulture" based on
> my work.
Give me a break. Anyone would think that you invented approaching
women. Maybe invented sex. Or even that you invented NLP (and DD's
product is not an NLP training seminar).
> He sees money to be made, so he's jumped into the fray with a fairly
> low-cost product.
The unit cost is no lower cost than yours. CDs have a unit cost, and
printed material have a price. His recording quality seems to be of
higher quality than yours. The ideas contained within are well thought
out and the intelectual property has IMO a higher value than yours
since DD actually gets laid using it. Your stuff is mostly raided
straight from the ideas of Bandler and Grinder that can be bought in
"Transformations" for $15.
>
> My objections in particular to DD are:
>
> 1. He's being utterly dishonest as to the causes of his OWN success.
He articulates well the underlying attitudes needed for success. He is
not being dishonest about his success which can not be said of
everyone here in the community dishing out advice.
>
> 2. He can't possibly understand the challenges and problems of guys in whose
> shoes he's never had to walk. I know the guy and he has ALWAYS done pretty well
> with women, even BEFORE he came up with his "method", based solely on his looks
> and his exposure as a speaker at real-estate marketing seminars.
"Ross", this is winy bullshit. A guy who can PU women can look at a
guy who cant and say "Man, you are coming at it all wrong. You have to
act like you are the prize". This is not a leap. Having been an
utterly pathetic AFC is not a pre-requisite for having something
worthwhile to teach about seduction.
>
> 3. His method is primarily about ASSUMING a persona: someone who is cocky,
> arrogant, never gives a woman a straight answer etc.
What is wrong with that? It is a good 70% of the game IMO.
>
> That is MUCH better than being AFC. But he leaves out entirely gathering
> information about the girl, finding out what moves her, using your language to
> move her imagination because those things are "unmanly" and don't match the
> arrogant persona he wants you to adopt.
That is your stuff though, "Ross". And value elicitation does not work
as promised in my experience. There is no requisite for David to
present stuff that doesn't really work.
>
> 4. Some of his other advice is just dumb: get emails, bathe 3 times a day.
Agreed.
>
> 5. He pads his material with crackpot theories on genetic programming and
> evolutionary biology that he either is smart enough to know are not true and
> valid or that just have no real bearing on any practical method.
I think this stuff is entirely valid. It says to us: "Hey look, dont
just take my word for it, here is a study from the University of
Western Ontario that confirms the same thing." Having a scientific
underpinning is a feature, not a flaw.
>
>
> >
> >Ross knows that SS alone will get you nowhere. He just dosen't want to
> >starve to death because DD is taking his business.
>
> What do you mean by "SS alone"? I teach approaches as well as what to do when
> you have her isolated/alone, so I really wonder what YOU mean by SS and what
> material you actually have studied.
He knows personally SSers. I was with him the other night when we saw
one of your top students make fundemental wingman mistakes. Like
fundemental. He caused the guy he was winging with to crash and burn
since he was a dead weight in the conversation. MTL is no stranger to
SS.
> >
> >IMHO, a guy IN THE FIELD that has done both SS and DD and MM and 1 on
> >1 and such, DD is better because it focuses on attitude rather than
> >patternspeak.
>
> This betrays a woeful ignorance of SS, as it stands today and has for
> sometime. A huge part of it is about gathering information, asking questions,
> using her responses and very, VERY little of it is about canned "patternspeak".
Doesn't change that it is the wrong way to approach the situation. You
can not ask questions and anchour when the girls do not even want you
sitting with them yet. You cant bumble away those first 5 minutes
waiting for the hottest girl in the place to become comfortable enough
with you to answer your stupid questions when you dont have the
attitude that HBs find attractive. DD will teach you that attitude.
> >This said, SS has an inherent value when you are 1 on 1 with a babe.
>
> It has much much much more value than you can imagine if you could see where
> the tech is today..you'd laugh hysterically at even trying to compare DD with
> it.
Man, MTL knows personally so many of your top students, man. And all
bullshit and on-line talk aside, when he gets into the field he out
PUs all of them. On Tuesday night he # and kiss closed by far the most
desirable girl in the place who was surrounded by guys one of which
was a male model. And then walked up the street to a different bar,
walked out of the bar with one girl whom he took to her place and
fucked. Once he finished fucking her, he wiped his dick, and picked up
and fucked her room-mate. This is the guy you are speaking to. On a
Tuesday night where he had to work in the morning!
>
> I actually think Mystery has some good, hard-hitting, valuable stuff for
> working clubs/groups whereas DD is mostly fluff, posturing, and creating a
> persona that MIGHT work on SOME girls, if you also have the looks/social
> status/social proof to back it up.
>
> What is good in DD...being cocky and funny..is NOT original.
>
> In short, DD has NO method and NO system. It's about adopting a persona.
> Mystery DOES have a method with real application, and SS is not just a method,
> but a methodology for finding and adapting whatever works. You can incorporate
> virtually anything into it.
Why would you be weighing in so heavily on this arguement like a
cock-block in a club telling the girl that I am pure evil and telling
her to not even look into my eyes? That is not a cocky attitude there,
my man. I think you might do well to have a close listen to the
seminar yourself.
Thomas
Neither in mine.
> There is no requisite for David to
> present stuff that doesn't really work.
>
> >
> > 4. Some of his other advice is just dumb: get emails, bathe 3 times a day.
>
> Agreed.
>
> >
> > 5. He pads his material with crackpot theories on genetic programming and
> > evolutionary biology that he either is smart enough to know are not true and
> > valid or that just have no real bearing on any practical method.
>
> I think this stuff is entirely valid. It says to us: "Hey look, dont
> just take my word for it, here is a study from the University of
> Western Ontario that confirms the same thing." Having a scientific
> underpinning is a feature, not a flaw.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >Ross knows that SS alone will get you nowhere. He just dosen't want to
> > >starve to death because DD is taking his business.
> >
> > What do you mean by "SS alone"? I teach approaches as well as what to do when
> > you have her isolated/alone, so I really wonder what YOU mean by SS and what
> > material you actually have studied.
>
> He knows personally SSers. I was with him the other night when we saw
> one of your top students make fundemental wingman mistakes. Like
> fundemental. He caused the guy he was winging with to crash and burn
> since he was a dead weight in the conversation. MTL is no stranger to
> SS.
How will Ross defend this...he always uses personal experiences himself.
> > >
> > >IMHO, a guy IN THE FIELD that has done both SS and DD and MM and 1 on
> > >1 and such, DD is better because it focuses on attitude rather than
> > >patternspeak.
> >
> > This betrays a woeful ignorance of SS, as it stands today and has for
> > sometime. A huge part of it is about gathering information, asking questions,
> > using her responses and very, VERY little of it is about canned "patternspeak".
>
> Doesn't change that it is the wrong way to approach the situation. You
> can not ask questions and anchour when the girls do not even want you
> sitting with them yet. You cant bumble away those first 5 minutes
> waiting for the hottest girl in the place to become comfortable enough
> with you to answer your stupid questions when you dont have the
> attitude that HBs find attractive. DD will teach you that attitude.
Agreed!
> > >This said, SS has an inherent value when you are 1 on 1 with a babe.
> >
> > It has much much much more value than you can imagine if you could see where
> > the tech is today..you'd laugh hysterically at even trying to compare DD with
> > it.
>
> Man, MTL knows personally so many of your top students, man. And all
> bullshit and on-line talk aside, when he gets into the field he out
> PUs all of them. On Tuesday night he # and kiss closed by far the most
> desirable girl in the place who was surrounded by guys one of which
> was a male model. And then walked up the street to a different bar,
> walked out of the bar with one girl whom he took to her place and
> fucked. Once he finished fucking her, he wiped his dick, and picked up
> and fucked her room-mate. This is the guy you are speaking to. On a
> Tuesday night where he had to work in the morning!
Ross doesn't have the balls to answer this!
BLscorpZ
I used to be your customer and on your SS list. I studied the BHSC I
bought from you. I put in A LOT of effort studying and practicing
your stuff, but did I get laid? NO! Not even ONE girl! Plus, the
way you treated your OWN paying customers on the SS list... says
VOLUMES about your own personal character.
And I still remember our discussion about your UNWILLINGNESS to help
out a deaf customer (read: ME!) by giving him free transcripts of your
tapes... a brain NEVER forgets that kind of stuff. If you really
wanted to HELP your students succeed, you would have given me those
transcripts. You say you "can't", but I know its BS... you just
"won't"
Then I gave up and quit your stupid list, and moved to David
DeAngelo's (NOT "DeAnushole", you idiot fuck) DYD stuff, and it helped
me a GREAT deal. Light years ahead of your worthless stuff.
Practicing DYD, got laid much more, and success increased
exponientally... and yes, with HBs of 8s and up.
So I'm with toecutter and MTL_PUA here. I bet each toecutter,
MTL_PUA, and I can kick your sorry ass in a PU competition any time of
any day!
I know you are well respected by many people, but you have absolutely
NO respect from me. And I will keep spreading my word about you to
other people to keep them from buying your products, and eventually,
YOU will go out of business.
Fuck off.
Newba...@cjp.net
>Ross. Get a life, k?
>
>I used to be your customer and on your SS list. I studied the BHSC I
>bought from you. I put in A LOT of effort studying and practicing
>your stuff, but did I get laid? NO! Not even ONE girl! Plus, the
>way you treated your OWN paying customers on the SS list... says
>VOLUMES about your own personal character.
>
>And I still remember our discussion about your UNWILLINGNESS to help
>out a deaf customer (read: ME!) by giving him free transcripts of your
>tapes... a brain NEVER forgets that kind of stuff. If you really
>wanted to HELP your students succeed, you would have given me those
>transcripts. You say you "can't", but I know its BS... you just
>"won't"
>
>Then I gave up and quit your stupid list, and moved to David
>DeAngelo's (NOT "DeAnushole", you idiot fuck) DYD stuff, and it helped
>me a GREAT deal.
The way Ross calls D'Angelo "De'Anushole" does speak volumes about
his faith in his own SS methods doesn't it?
> Light years ahead of your worthless stuff.
>Practicing DYD, got laid much more, and success increased
>exponientally... and yes, with HBs of 8s and up.
>
>So I'm with toecutter and MTL_PUA here. I bet each toecutter,
>MTL_PUA, and I can kick your sorry ass in a PU competition any time of
>any day!
>
>I know you are well respected by many people, but you have absolutely
>NO respect from me. And I will keep spreading my word about you to
>other people to keep them from buying your products, and eventually,
>YOU will go out of business.
>
>Fuck off.
Newbaum
SSSucks
>
>Cocky and Funny(which I've been teaching since my original book, way back in
>1988) is neither original with DeAnushole, nor is it sufficient to get you
>laid, unless your looks alone also are sufficient to get her hot looking at
>you.
Then why does his stuff get me laid and yours never did?
> DeAnushole has the "gear" of being very good looking, having VIP
>introductions to women in the best, hottest clubs in town, an expensive
>house
>with a great view of the city, a roomate who has more pussy running in and
>out
>of his house than Hef. In other words, he's packing rifles and even bazookas
>that he can't give you and expecting you to get somewhere with his camoflauge
>and his deer call alone.
You only bring this up when it's the competition. The guy that has "pussy
running in and out of his house" was one of your students that is also very
good looking at financially successful... don't see any mention of that on your
site Paul when you brag about how he got 5 women at a time.
>
> The guy is just a lame ass poser,
ROTFLMAO. Look who's talking!
> I'd say his book could be shaved to 10 pages and would be worth about 5
>bucks as a nice toilet read.
Still worth more than what you have done Paul.
>Get Laid NEVER!
>Send me money FOREVER!
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>www.seduction.com
>
SSSucks
>>
>
>Judge for yourself...does he give the person's FULL name, along with their
>city
>and state?
Who would want their FULL name given out to everyone you idiot?
Oh I forgot. Your brainwashed cult members, errr, customers don't mind.
Heero Yuy
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More trolls... ah, no such thing as peace around here.
Rapper MC
"Ross" <notmy...@address.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> > From: "Andrew Douglas" <adou...@lightningsat.com>
> > Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
> > Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:16:08 +1000
> > Subject: Re: The Cocky Funny Thing And David DeAnushole
> >
> > Major Mark claims in one of your videos that his success is 100%.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> He claimed his success as a clinical hypnotist is 100%, not his success as
a
> seducer, but nice try, Gilroy.
>
If I remember correctly on the LA 99 videos, one of the seminar participants
ask the Major what his success rate with women was, his response 100%.
Perhaps he has since changed his story.
And haven't you posted in the past that he can get ANY woman he wants.
Curious.
MC