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maniac_high

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Jun 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/1/99

[Another repost...dejanews posting is broken, trashing my messages
for the last 2 days...]

Re: HB Hotpant's thread reply;

NYC guy raised some good points about my HB Hotpants disaster (awesome
suggestions... I have become far wiser through the experience! Hope
others learned from it too!).

Anyways, NYC; I got a question about your comments. You say about not
paying a
date until she fucks you...okay absolutely right. I agree, and I
absolutely
understand the theory..

But, I have a question about how to do the execution of this, ie.
structuring this and keeping the flow and everything going right.

Can you do a favor for this discussion, and describe a date from the
very
start to the end (in as many details as you can, like I do in my
posts, would
be most helpful), how this would work.. What do you say at the
coffee shop, (I guess you dont meet them at supper time, as the
chick will otherwise be hungry right off), how do you get them home
after the
cup of coffee so quickly.., what if she says she is hungry, and why we
dont eat
something..blah blah...as I am a bit unclear as logically how all this
would work
without losing the "flow" of the encounter. That would be really
helpful..

Maniac High

MrSex4uNYC

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Jun 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/1/99

>Anyways, NYC; I got a question about your comments. You say about not
>paying a
>date until she fucks you...okay absolutely right. I agree, and I
>absolutely
>understand the theory..

For the record... that wasn't MY idea... I got it off of the Ross Newsletters @
www.seduction.com

>But, I have a question about how to do the execution of this, ie.
>structuring this and keeping the flow and everything going right.
>
>Can you do a favor for this discussion, and describe a date from the
>very
>start to the end (in as many details as you can, like I do in my
>posts, would
>be most helpful), how this would work.. What do you say at the
>coffee shop, (I guess you dont meet them at supper time, as the
>chick will otherwise be hungry right off), how do you get them home
>after the
>cup of coffee so quickly.., what if she says she is hungry, and why we
>dont eat
>something..blah blah...as I am a bit unclear as logically how all this
>would work
>without losing the "flow" of the encounter. That would be really
>helpful..
>
>Maniac High

OK. First of all, my style (too complicated to discuss here... some parts I
don't even understand yet) involves becoming friends with the chicks. Not
falling into the FRIENDS ZONE... it is a totally different type of friendship,
like someone that you knew from elementary school, but still recognize them as
a man (not some wussie friend that has emasculated himself to get near you).

When I first meet her in whatever circumstance, it if is good for chatting, I
will cover what I need to right there. If it is not (in a bar, a club...) and
I can't go for the physical attraction thing immediately, I will suggest
meeting at a coffee shop at whatever time. You are right... do not go near
eating periods. That is because you don't want to change venues because you
will lose vibe temporarily.

Even if we get something to eat, which almost invariably is the case, it is
always "dutch treat" because... I AM NOT A SUITOR! That's right. I AM NOT
TRYING TO FUCK HER! Most times, by the time we get to the coffee shop, I have
handed out NO COMPLIMENTS WHATSOEVER. If we go out to eat, I look at the check
and calculate half of the bill and the tip in my head, then when I am finished,
I dump the check in front of her, numbers facing up and facing her so she can
read the amount. Then they reach for their purses. There is NO ASSUMPTION
that I am paying for anything because WE are getting to know EACH OTHER. I did
not ask HER out to eat. That's another good point. I never suggest that
because I don't _want_ to change venues. The only way we move out is if SHE
says "let's get something to eat". If a situation came up where she didn't
want to pay (which would never happen because my first question to a chick is
"what do you do" and I KNOW ahead of time if she can afford to go out to eat or
not) I would say "Whose idea was it to leave the coffee shop? YOU wanted to
eat! YOU should be paying THE WHOLE THING! Besides... I don't know about
Japan, but ANY CHICK I MEET HAS CREDIT! ANY CHICK! I can't remember seeing a
girl without credit or at least an ATM card on her when we go out :)

Anyway... meet her. talk for a while. If you can't do the chat thing there,
tell her you have to do something, but you'd really like to continue your
conversation with her. ask her if she knows where blah blah coffee shop is or
ask her where her favorite coffee shop is (probably near her house) when she
tells you, say let's meet there tomorrow like 1pm (or whatever you like) this
avoids the can I get your number / hand out business cards crap. If she agrees
to meet you the next day and doesn't show up, you don't need her number anyway
and you CERTAINLY don't want her to have yours. Besides, if she is willing to
meet you and is interested, she will make sure to give you a contact number
because SHE will be wondering if you are going to make it or not. SHE doesn't
want to sit in a coffee shop alone because you couldn't call her and
reschedule/cancel. Also, you are showing enough interest in her to schedule
some of your time for her, so she is likely to "grace you" with her phone
number.

Once at the shop, do a lot of eye contact and ask her a lot about random shit.
This is to set up a general interest in her life past and present, so that when
you ask her about what you really want to know, it isn't a sudden jolt. She is
filling in pieces to a puzzle that you have been building all along. In the
meantime, you are making the connection that allows her to open up to you and
tell you the important stuff that you need to know about her. The next thing
you do is push her through states and keep her in the good ones. She will
automatically anchor the good states to you since she is seeing you while she
is getting her good feelings from her memory. If she's a talker, ask her about
her best experiences. If she's a listener, tell her stories (true or not) that
lead you to the desired outcome. If they are too raunchy... use quoting.

From there, it's textbook. You literally ask her what you want to know. It is
as if you are old friends catching up on her life since the last time you saw
each other. Chicks tell me what I want to know. Are they seeing someone. Do
they like him. Where they met him. How his personality is. How the sex is.
What is missing in the relationship. Who do they live with. Are they in love
with him? Do they intend to marry him? Have they ever been in love with one
person. Do they understand the difference between loving someone and being in
love? Gather all the information that tells you who you have to be for her to
really like you. If she likes brains, tell her stories about how smart you
are. Sports, tell her stories about how athletic you are.

A major point though is that if her relationship to her boyfriend was so good,
what is she doing sitting out for coffee with you? This does not need to be
stated by you. It is obvious. Your job is to find out what SHE wants from you
and how you plan to demonstrate that you can provide it to her through your
stories about yourself. Of course you need lots of stories about yourself
dealing with women in the same fashion that she likes to be handles herself.
This stuff seeps in and makes her think of you as "her type" without you even
complimenting her once.

Easily within two hours (if you rush, within one, but rushing is no good
because you have to interrupt her states to bring up the next topic) you can
get all the information you need and STACK examples of how you are her type.
You can see if she's interested in you or not. The next move is to switch
positions or venues so that you can touch her. My favorite move is to a nearby
park. It is free and there is nature there and lovers walking around together
and no stress and beauty all over the place and grass and children and
puppies... lots of beautiful stuff for her to latch onto and anchor to you. If
she likes dogs, take her to a dog run. If she likes kids, take her to a
playground...

Somehow, get into touching, but make sure you are close enough to her that you
can escalate if the opportunity arises. Hold her hand to look at her rings
closer. Judge how she feels about you holding her hand. Tell her she looks
stressed, or push her into a state where she feels like she needs relief and
then start massaging her shoulders. Don't ask. Just do it. Do SOMETHING
where you can judge how she feels about touching you. Sometimes I will grab a
chick's hand while we are walking together, even after judging that she likes
it, and she will break the grip in order to do some gesture she didn't really
need to do, then NOT replace her hand. That is a sign that she is not yet
fully convinced. You just need to work on her more or she would have rejected
your hand from the start.

Once you move from the mental to the physical, it's "touch and go". You have
to keep her in sexy states and feel sexy towards her. Act toward her like you
have been married for years and that you are holding her like you always held
her in the past. No feeling up, just loving holding. If she lets you do that,
pretty soon you will be _actually_ kissing her. Not those friendly, kiddie,
high school, aren't-we-all-having-fun-together, drunk-chick kisses, but kisses
that she GIVES TO YOU because she wants to express herself to you. You will
know the difference between that and a chick that just likes to kiss. She is
kissing someone she really cares about and is glad to have in her life, as
opposed to reciprocating for dinner and a movie or just kissing for recreation.
It's all downhill from there. It's not a far cry from a chick that WANT TO
KISS YO to a chick that WANTS TO MAKE LOVE TO YOU. It really isn't.

The whole thing is I slip my shit in "under the rug" :) I present myself as
someone that they would like to be with if they could, but I don't give them
the impression that they can have me at all. You really know you've got her
when she starts asking you about your love life. Also, she's opened the can of
worms where you get to describe all sorts of raunchy behavior FOR FREE, since
she asked for it. You get to tell her exactly what you love for a woman to do
to you and pull her through doing it to you as you describe it in lurid detail.
Or if she's the loving type, describe that to her. The whole point is to be
"her type" totally.

Watch for your breaks. She says "It's getting chilly, let me go home and get
my sweater". Next thing you know you are in her house where you want to be.
If you have already moved into touching, hold her in her living room and look
into her eyes. You can see if she brought you there to fuck or to get a
sweater. She says let's go for drinks after this, or she orders alcohol when
you go to lunch. She is placing herself in the state she likes to be in to be
loose for sex. There is no reason for a chick that doesn't trust you to get
drunk around you... unless she's an alcoholic :)

As far as how do you get them home after the cup of coffee? You CAN'T! They
have to TAKE YOU HOME! Mention things that you have in your house that she
doesn't have. You know what she does and does not have from your Q&A in the
beginning. What do you do for fun? Do you like movies? Do you go out or rent?
I happen to have a DVD player and movies that most people have never seen
before. I will mention to her in passing "I just picked up blah blah blah on
DVD. I really enjoyed whomever's performance in it" Many chicks have never
seen a DVD film except in the stores where they can't really enjoy it. I don't
tell them about things like this because I care that they go see the movie. I
tell them to load them up with excuses. Next thing she says "Let's go watch
that movie you were telling me about." Much easier for her to say than "I
really want you to fuck me now... take me home" Once you capture her
imagination and get her to believe that you are the man she wants to fuck her
right now, she will use the clues you drop on her to usher you somewhere to do
it, including restaurant bathrooms, if that is the last resort and you have
already told her stories implying that you are willing to have sex with women
that you find attractive in public bathrooms :)

I hope I answered your question. The whole idea of the "coffee date" is the
exchange of ideas. You find out what makes her tick and you let her know what
you want from a woman that wants to be with you. All of it can be done without
EVER telling the chick that you want to fuck her. I don't even use compliments
unless it is a self-esteem issue. Often, what happens is since they are coming
out to meet a new friend, they come out as-is, with no makeup. Once they get
interested, they are suddenly naked :) They start talking about how they don't
have any makeup on and how they only wore this outside because... That's when
you have carte-blanche to tell her she is really beautiful as-is and don't
bother putting on makeup, you look fine... if she looks deep in your eyes and
says really? like she is begging for your approval, kiss her.

Daniel

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Jun 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/1/99

Very good. Generally common sense and mostly great advice.

MrSex4uNYC wrote:

The holiest of Amens follows

Amen!

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Some Guy Writes:

Re: HB Hotpant's thread reply;
NYC guy raised some good points about my HB Hotpants disaster (awesome
suggestions... I have become far wiser through the experience! Hope
others learned from it too!).

<--------it was a good experience. Always good to let a Fox know you are
onto her.

Anyways, NYC; I got a question about your comments. You say about not
paying a date until she fucks you...okay absolutely right. I agree, and I
absolutely understand the theory..

<--------I think that is too extreme. I do believe that if you date, it
should be to date, not have sex. Dating is nowhere near the quickest
path to the bedroom, but remember, if you don't make moves on her, that
turns the tables. If you have a lot of money to blow, peeling off a few
20's here and there won't kill you. It's just not a wise primary
strategy. A date you haven't had sex with should be thought of as a
pivot. Most Foxes are happy to help you build your rep in return for you
paying their way and escorting them. If they don't want you, they're
relieved that you aren't hitting on THEM.

But, I have a question about how to do the execution of this, ie.
structuring this and keeping the flow and everything going right.
Can you do a favor for this discussion, and describe a date from the
very start to the end (in as many details as you can, like I do in my
posts, would be most helpful), how this would work.. What do you say at
the
coffee shop, (I guess you dont meet them at supper time, as the
chick will otherwise be hungry right off), how do you get them home
after the cup of coffee so quickly.., what if she says she is hungry, and
why we
dont eat something..blah blah...as I am a bit unclear as logically how
all this
would work without losing the "flow" of the encounter. That would be
really
helpful..

<------In SS, you are supposed to seduce her with words and make her want
to FUCK you. This can happen ANYWHERE. Think of ANY conversation you
have with a woman as a date, and then go for it. If you are into SS,
that is how it's done. A Foxhunter works totally different. A lot
depends on the window of opportunity. I expect that Ross is more adept
at recognizing his windows than his students are, at least at first.
It's just as much of a mistake NOT to SS a receptive target as it is to
SS an unreceptive one. The quick seduction is accomplished by taking
normal social conversation and directing the woman's minds to thoughts of
sex. With animals, conversation is not inherent in the seduction; with
us, it is. The conversation is used to put her in touch with her animal
instincts, through indirect methods, which become more and more direct as
she sinks deeper and deeper into trance. First you loosen the
resistance, then you speed up the induction, etc. The one time I used SS
on a woman (in 1995), it worked very well in about an hour. I wasn't
rushing it, just loading up my conversation with patterns and words that
I gleaned from the site and my own knowledge of hypnosis, and within an
hour we were on the dance floor groping at a rather reserved function. I
called the experiment a success, although this was not a woman I wanted
in any way, shape or form. I would imagine that the method works well
when a window of opportunity is already there.

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Some Guy Writes:

>Anyways, NYC; I got a question about your comments. You say about not
>paying a
>date until she fucks you...okay absolutely right. I agree, and I
>absolutely
>understand the theory..

For the record... that wasn't MY idea... I got it off of the Ross
Newsletters @
www.seduction.com

<---------I still have problems reconciling your AOL profile with your
posts, but.....I haven't been in NYC for about 15 years now....

>Can you do a favor for this discussion, and describe a date from the
>very
>start to the end (in as many details as you can, like I do in my
>posts, would
>be most helpful), how this would work.. What do you say at the
>coffee shop, (I guess you dont meet them at supper time, as the
>chick will otherwise be hungry right off), how do you get them home
>after the
>cup of coffee so quickly.., what if she says she is hungry, and why we
>dont eat
>something..blah blah...as I am a bit unclear as logically how all this
>would work
>without losing the "flow" of the encounter. That would be really
>helpful..
>

>Maniac High

OK. First of all, my style (too complicated to discuss here... some
parts I
don't even understand yet) involves becoming friends with the chicks.
Not
falling into the FRIENDS ZONE... it is a totally different type of
friendship,
like someone that you knew from elementary school, but still recognize
them as
a man (not some wussie friend that has emasculated himself to get near
you).

<--------You mean where friends is more a rejection of THEM than you.
This is friendship without pursuit. Falls under "Letting The Clock Tick"
too: by not making a move on her, you get to see if she makes one on you,
without risk, and you also have REJECTION BY OMISSION, which is another
negative hit. A guy who wants to be friends with a woman and doesn't hit
on her has REJECTED her!!! Ever see a woman blow up because you IGNORED
her? It's hysterical.

When I first meet her in whatever circumstance, it if is good for
chatting, I
will cover what I need to right there. If it is not (in a bar, a
club...) and
I can't go for the physical attraction thing immediately, I will suggest
meeting at a coffee shop at whatever time. You are right... do not go
near
eating periods. That is because you don't want to change venues because
you
will lose vibe temporarily.

<----------Then script what happens at the new venue.....oh, and if you
want to spend some cash, set up a date where you take her SHOPPING and
DRESS HER for your date.....has to be done with finesse, but the goal
should be to get her to wear "one sexy outdoor outfit and one sexy INDOOR
outfit," (which you buy). Sure, it's expensive, but if you have the
cash......just like if you have the muscles you can lift that 200-pound
object. Money is an attractant when used properly. I do agree it's
risky because of the way women exploit it, but there are exceptions. I
personally have no problem buying a Fox a coffee. I even tell Foxes that
in my book for women on how to get men, I concede that if a woman's a
Fox, she won't have to ever pay her way, but if she's a non-Elite, she
better drop that man-pays requirement. This rule seems to hold up.
Because everyone buys stuff for Foxes, you are not really supplicating
when you buy; more like you are neg-hitting when you aren't.

Even if we get something to eat, which almost invariably is the case, it
is
always "dutch treat" because... I AM NOT A SUITOR! That's right. I AM
NOT
TRYING TO FUCK HER!

<---------Don't know about you, but this is the LAST message I want to
send to a Fox. I prefer to say "I AM trying to fuck you, but you won't
be able to take advantage of that." I have a sound byte I use for that
purpose too: "It's okay to get rejected; it's not okay to lose my
dignity." Right there she knows I want her and am RESTRAINED. When I
see this I'm thinking back to my chess days where two players would treat
a position totally different, and if you mixed their moves either's plan
would suck, but each plan has a logic and an execution. How about we say
instead....never spend money on a Fox WITHOUT A GOOD REASON.

Most times, by the time we get to the coffee shop, I have handed out NO
COMPLIMENTS WHATSOEVER.

<------Check to make sure that compliments wouldn't have gotten you laid.
There are exceptions to every rule.

If we go out to eat, I look at the check and calculate half of the bill
and the tip in my head, then when I am finished, I dump the check in
front of her, numbers facing up and facing her so she can read the
amount. Then they reach for their purses. There is NO ASSUMPTION that I
am paying for anything because WE are getting to know EACH OTHER. I did
not ask HER out to eat. That's another good point. I never suggest that
because I don't _want_ to change venues. The only way we move out is if
SHE
says "let's get something to eat". If a situation came up where she
didn't
want to pay (which would never happen because my first question to a
chick is
"what do you do" and I KNOW ahead of time if she can afford to go out to
eat or
not) I would say "Whose idea was it to leave the coffee shop? YOU wanted
to
eat! YOU should be paying THE WHOLE THING! Besides... I don't know
about
Japan, but ANY CHICK I MEET HAS CREDIT! ANY CHICK! I can't remember
seeing a
girl without credit or at least an ATM card on her when we go out :)

<-------Wouldn't it be wise to let her reject you once (or halt your
progress) before doing this? It's possible you never had to resort to
this. I would say to do this after she has put up a wall; why put up a
wall if she doesn't?

Anyway... meet her. talk for a while. If you can't do the chat thing
there,
tell her you have to do something, but you'd really like to continue your
conversation with her.

<-------Basic end-the-date rule.

ask her if she knows where blah blah coffee shop is or ask her where her
favorite coffee shop is (probably near her house) when she tells you, say
let's meet there tomorrow like 1pm (or whatever you like) this avoids
the can I get your number / hand out business cards crap. If she agrees
to meet you the next day and doesn't show up, you don't need her number
anyway and you CERTAINLY don't want her to have yours. Besides, if she
is willing to meet you and is interested, she will make sure to give you
a contact number because SHE will be wondering if you are going to make
it or not. SHE doesn't want to sit in a coffee shop alone because you
couldn't call her and reschedule/cancel. Also, you are showing enough
interest in her to schedule
some of your time for her, so she is likely to "grace you" with her phone
number.

<-----------The Fonzie Method: "Arnold's. Friday night. 8:00 sharp.
BE THERE! AAAAAAY!!!!!" :::::flashes thumbs::::::

<----------Basic research tool. Want to find out what people think of
pens? Ask them about cars, boats, trains, food, pens, baseball,
etc.......cloaking.

She is filling in pieces to a puzzle that you have been building all
along. In the
meantime, you are making the connection that allows her to open up to you
and
tell you the important stuff that you need to know about her. The next
thing
you do is push her through states and keep her in the good ones. She
will
automatically anchor the good states to you since she is seeing you while
she
is getting her good feelings from her memory. If she's a talker, ask her
about
her best experiences. If she's a listener, tell her stories (true or
not) that
lead you to the desired outcome. If they are too raunchy... use quoting.

<-----------Women are onto the stories bit. They get a general
impression of the topic you are leading them to. If it's SS you are
doing, they will probably know. How well they allow you to succeed is
going to be determined by something other than SS, but SS can close the
deal here.

<------There's the boyfriend destroyer in a nutshell. If she knows she
isn't going to marry him, she starts breaking up with him in her
mind....and YOU are in the room.

Have they ever been in love with one person. Do they understand the
difference between loving someone and being in love? Gather all the
information that tells you who you have to be for her to really like you.

If she likes brains, tell her stories about how smart you're. Sports,

tell her stories about how athletic you are.

<-------If she likes brains, do NOT brag about your intellect. A
Minddigger will KNOW if you are smart or not. I have Foxes who LUST
after my mind. Being SOMEWHAT intelligent is like being SOMEWHAT good in
bed. They want the BEST minds, the SHARPEST minds, and the most CREATIVE
minds. If you are not a genius, don't worry about intellect beyond what
being stupid will cost you. You aren't going to compete with power
brains unless you have one, and if you have one, you won't have to
advertise it. Minddiggers comprise about 99.99999 percent of my fan
club.

A major point though is that if her relationship to her boyfriend was so
good,
what is she doing sitting out for coffee with you?

<-------Passing time. He doesn't own her. Etc. She could be using you
to get a better deal at home (another reason I don't like Taken Foxes),
or she could be proving to herself and to her lover that she can have
male friends, or her ego needs a boost....I wouldn't address this can of
worms because you are doing her thinking for her.

This does not need to be stated by you. It is obvious. Your job is to
find out what SHE wants from you and how you plan to demonstrate that you
can provide it to her through your stories about yourself. Of course you
need lots of stories about yourself
dealing with women in the same fashion that she likes to be handles
herself.
This stuff seeps in and makes her think of you as "her type" without you
even
complimenting her once.

<----------I'm more likely to wind up in the coffee shop after bantering
with her online and covering ALL of this on the net. Why waste my time
and find this out later?

<------This is basic ass-kissing, and transparent. With the
Super-Elites, you are going to have a problem because this is how most
guys hit on them. If you are on a date with a movie star, be careful.
Honesty may work better. In fact, the Foxier the woman, the more cynical
the woman, and the more she is lied to. Brutal honesty can be powerful,
although a lot of men will be fazed by the initial negative
reactions....I'm willing to gambit a negative reaction for a Returning
Fox; not all men will. Once you get to this point it's like playing in
the NFL: even if you know what you are doing, you are always at risk of
getting slammed to the turf. This is NOT an easy game.

You can see if she's interested in you or not. The next move is to
switch positions or venues so that you can touch her.

<-------This is supplication. If she wants you, she'll touch you.....

My favorite move is to a nearby park. It is free and there is nature
there and lovers walking around together and no stress and beauty all
over the place and grass and children and puppies... lots of beautiful
stuff for her to latch onto and anchor to you. If
she likes dogs, take her to a dog run. If she likes kids, take her to a
playground...

<-------This is their home court. They're well aware of what's going on
at this point. I prefer the logical argument approach (i.e., having sex
with other men is not logical), conveyed through your fine words,
intellect, etc. Once you have conveyed that, you don't have to make
moves. Touching a woman should not be like shooting a hockey puck past
an NHL goalie. Foreign Foxes don't make me do this: hell, they'll MARRY
me if I ask them. Why on earth would I beg for a mere kiss from an
American woman? Tell your this-is-not-a-date (so obvious that you have
to say it's not a date) that you gave up on American women because they
are too sexually stingy, and enjoy the friendship while she lets your
words eat her alive......that's the Foxhunting approach. You can even
end the friendship without warning by saying that you are fed up with ALL
American women, and withdraw, leaving it to them to chase you.....okay,
I'm in love with my gimmick.

<------The last words save the paragrpaph. On the other hand, if she
recoils to your touch, pull back. I took a massage class and one thing
you learn from that is when someone wants to be touched. I'll say again
however that by now you are just another guy making a move on her. I
would agree more with Ross here that you should let her MIND dictate her
body to make a move on YOU rather than forcing the issue yourself. If
you arouse her properly, she'll be initiating the touch. If you
initiate, you are attempting to compensate for your ability to arouse her
mind, and are batting with an 0-2 or a 1-2 count.

Do SOMETHING where you can judge how she feels about touching you.
Sometimes I will grab a chick's hand while we are walking together, even
after judging that she likes
it, and she will break the grip in order to do some gesture she didn't
really
need to do, then NOT replace her hand. That is a sign that she is not
yet
fully convinced. You just need to work on her more or she would have
rejected
your hand from the start.

<------------Correct. Still, you can get her to take your hand with
conversation.....if SS is valid, which in some cases it is.

Once you move from the mental to the physical, it's "touch and go".

<-------Not if you have prepped her mentally.

You have to keep her in sexy states and feel sexy towards her. Act
toward her like you
have been married for years and that you are holding her like you always
held
her in the past. No feeling up, just loving holding. If she lets you do
that,
pretty soon you will be _actually_ kissing her. Not those friendly,
kiddie,
high school, aren't-we-all-having-fun-together, drunk-chick kisses, but
kisses
that she GIVES TO YOU because she wants to express herself to you. You
will
know the difference between that and a chick that just likes to kiss.
She is
kissing someone she really cares about and is glad to have in her life,
as
opposed to reciprocating for dinner and a movie or just kissing for
recreation.
It's all downhill from there. It's not a far cry from a chick that WANT
TO
KISS YO to a chick that WANTS TO MAKE LOVE TO YOU. It really isn't.

<---------One French kiss from a woman should mean sex.

<-------The principle of first contact (poison for the person making it).
Whoever solicits LOSES.

You get to tell her exactly what you love for a woman to do to you and
pull her through doing it to you as you describe it in lurid detail. Or
if she's the loving type, describe that to her. The whole point is to be
"her type" totally.

<-------The Fantasy Fox technique.

Watch for your breaks. She says "It's getting chilly, let me go home and
get
my sweater". Next thing you know you are in her house where you want to
be.

<------When I was 18, I threw a keg party in my dorm. I gave $45 to two
friends to buy a Keg on the condition that they take care of the
administration. I had ONE target at the party. My friends put the keg
in the bathroom, held the party, which was doing better than a
schoolwide party downstairs for two hours, the target showed up, we went
to my room together....ALONE....and TALKED for an hour. I wanted to be a
gentleman (did I mention my roommate was away for the weekend?). Turned
out she LEFT HER COAT in my dorm room, and went to the party downstairs.
At 1:45 a.m. she returns for the coat, and we are talking AGAIN for a
half-hour....and NOTHING HAPPENED. I believe I missed an "open three."

If you have already moved into touching, hold her in her living room and

look
into her eyes. You can see if she brought you there to fuck or to get a
sweater. She says let's go for drinks after this, or she orders alcohol
when
you go to lunch. She is placing herself in the state she likes to be in
to be
loose for sex. There is no reason for a chick that doesn't trust you to
get
drunk around you... unless she's an alcoholic :)

<-----------There was this Bulgarian a few years ago who invited me to
her apartment at noon on Sunday. Her mom shared the apartment with her.
I get there and they are drinking like fish.......which was their norm.

<------To cut costs, I lived with my family for many years. This is a
BIG drawback. If you have built a nest, USE it. Odds are I'll never
have a "bachelor pad" because once I had one the nest would be filled
almost immediately. I just never saw the need for building a nest, which
attracts golddiggers primarily.

I happen to have a DVD player and movies that most people have never
seen
before. I will mention to her in passing "I just picked up blah blah
blah on
DVD. I really enjoyed whomever's performance in it" Many chicks have
never
seen a DVD film except in the stores where they can't really enjoy it. I
don't
tell them about things like this because I care that they go see the
movie. I
tell them to load them up with excuses. Next thing she says "Let's go
watch
that movie you were telling me about." Much easier for her to say than
"I
really want you to fuck me now... take me home"

<-------Pretext. You're right about the need for it too.

Once you capture her imagination and get her to believe that you are the
man she wants to fuck her right now, she will use the clues you drop on
her to usher you somewhere to do it, including restaurant bathrooms, if
that is the last resort and you have already told her stories implying
that you are willing to have sex with women
that you find attractive in public bathrooms :)

<--------Too risky for my blood. Not recommended for Super-Elites
either. Then again.....

I hope I answered your question. The whole idea of the "coffee date" is
the
exchange of ideas.

<-----I use them to build my rep. By thinking of the Fox as a pivot with
which to attract other Foxes, I focus my attention away from her
sufficiently, and can run a lot of indirect patterns....I mean I could if
I didn't have a girlfriend.

You find out what makes her tick and you let her know what you want from
a woman that wants to be with you. All of it can be done without EVER
telling the chick that you want to fuck her. I don't even use
compliments unless it is a self-esteem issue. Often, what happens is
since they are coming out to meet a new friend, they come out as-is, with
no makeup. Once they get interested, they are suddenly naked :) They
start talking about how they don't have any makeup on and how they only
wore this outside because... That's when you have carte-blanche to tell
her she is really beautiful as-is and don't bother putting on makeup, you
look fine... if she looks deep in your eyes and
says really? like she is begging for your approval, kiss her.

<-----------You are good at reading the subtle cues.....and of course she
looks beautiful without makeup, because if she didn't you wouldn't be
dating her!

MrSex4uNYC

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Jun 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/2/99

>Anyways, NYC; I got a question about your comments. You say about not
>paying a date until she fucks you...okay absolutely right. I agree, and I
>absolutely understand the theory..
>

><--------I think that is too extreme. I do believe that if you date, it
>should be to date, not have sex.

I think that if you are willing to pay to have a chick escort you where you are
going and eat food and dring stuff... then fine. Just don't think that's
getting you any closer to fucking her than you were before you took her out.
Yes there are some chicks that like to get material things for sex. There are
also some that believe that women have to put out when men take them out. Both
sets of chicks are idiots. Use them if you see this trait in them. Otherwise,
save your money.

>But, I have a question about how to do the execution of this, ie.
>structuring this and keeping the flow and everything going right.

>Can you do a favor for this discussion, and describe a date from the
>very start to the end (in as many details as you can, like I do in my
>posts, would be most helpful), how this would work.. What do you say at
>the
>coffee shop, (I guess you dont meet them at supper time, as the
>chick will otherwise be hungry right off), how do you get them home
>after the cup of coffee so quickly.., what if she says she is hungry, and
>why we
>dont eat something..blah blah...as I am a bit unclear as logically how
>all this
>would work without losing the "flow" of the encounter. That would be
>really
>helpful..
>

><------In SS, you are supposed to seduce her with words and make her want
>to FUCK you. This can happen ANYWHERE. Think of ANY conversation you
>have with a woman as a date, and then go for it. If you are into SS,
>that is how it's done.

exactly. What I was describing can be done in the street, at a party, in her
house... anywhere. The point is to get her to listen to what you have to say,
by any means. Once she is listening, fill her head with the right stuff, and
you're in there :)

>sex. With animals, conversation is not inherent in the seduction; with
>us, it is.

good point. I just use conversation to keep her there so all he rest of the
stuff can get hammered into her. I talk about nothing, but she is getting the
vibe the whole time, then she can't accuse me of seducing her because I never
said anything.

MrSex4uNYC

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Jun 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/2/99

>OK. First of all, my style (too complicated to discuss here... some
>parts I
>don't even understand yet) involves becoming friends with the chicks.
>Not
>falling into the FRIENDS ZONE... it is a totally different type of
>friendship,
>like someone that you knew from elementary school, but still recognize
>them as
>a man (not some wussie friend that has emasculated himself to get near
>you).
>
><--------You mean where friends is more a rejection of THEM than you.
>This is friendship without pursuit. Falls under "Letting The Clock Tick"
>too: by not making a move on her, you get to see if she makes one on you,
>without risk, and you also have REJECTION BY OMISSION, which is another
>negative hit. A guy who wants to be friends with a woman and doesn't hit
>on her has REJECTED her!!! Ever see a woman blow up because you IGNORED
>her? It's hysterical.

OK. I hadn't thought of all those angles, but I agree with all of that.

>When I first meet her in whatever circumstance, it if is good for
>chatting, I
>will cover what I need to right there. If it is not (in a bar, a
>club...) and
>I can't go for the physical attraction thing immediately, I will suggest
>meeting at a coffee shop at whatever time. You are right... do not go
>near
>eating periods. That is because you don't want to change venues because
>you
>will lose vibe temporarily.
>
><----------Then script what happens at the new venue.....oh, and if you
>want to spend some cash, set up a date where you take her SHOPPING and
>DRESS HER for your date.....has to be done with finesse, but the goal
>should be to get her to wear "one sexy outdoor outfit and one sexy INDOOR
>outfit," (which you buy). Sure, it's expensive, but if you have the
>cash......just like if you have the muscles you can lift that 200-pound
>object. Money is an attractant when used properly. I do agree it's
>risky because of the way women exploit it, but there are exceptions.

This is an interesting idea for people with money to burn, but I would never do
this. Buying things is a REWARD. What am I rewarding the chick for? Coming
outside? Walking with me? There has to be some incentive on both sides. I
refuse to give a chick incentive to spend time with me. That's the whole
problem. That's what happened to Maniac. He BRIBED the chick to be near him
with movies and food and dancing, then was surprised when she took the money
and ran. Also, it depends on availability of chicks. Bitches are LESS THAN a
dime a dozen in NYC. There is NO NEED to deal with ANY chicks that do not want
you from the beginning... NO NEED! All you have to do is meet them and feel
them out.

>I personally have no problem buying a Fox a coffee. I even tell Foxes that
>in my book for women on how to get men, I concede that if a woman's a
>Fox, she won't have to ever pay her way, but if she's a non-Elite, she
>better drop that man-pays requirement. This rule seems to hold up.
>Because everyone buys stuff for Foxes, you are not really supplicating
>when you buy; more like you are neg-hitting when you aren't.

That's true. Same for guys. If you HAVE to BRIBE chicks to hang out with you
DO IT! Look at Charlie Sheen. He doesn't have to get hookers... he LIKES
hookers. They are incredible looking and have to fuck no matter what :) They
are well within his budget, so why not procure the pussy for the fellas every
weekend? If a woman is a fox, she will never have to pay her way on a "date",
but I am not talking about "dating". I am talking about structuring
opportunities to talk your game to her. Paying for shit immediately lets them
know that you want something, which is a no-no for me.

>Even if we get something to eat, which almost invariably is the case, it
>is
>always "dutch treat" because... I AM NOT A SUITOR! That's right. I AM
>NOT
>TRYING TO FUCK HER!
>
><---------Don't know about you, but this is the LAST message I want to
>send to a Fox. I prefer to say "I AM trying to fuck you, but you won't
>be able to take advantage of that." I have a sound byte I use for that
>purpose too: "It's okay to get rejected; it's not okay to lose my
>dignity." Right there she knows I want her and am RESTRAINED. When I
>see this I'm thinking back to my chess days where two players would treat
>a position totally different, and if you mixed their moves either's plan
>would suck, but each plan has a logic and an execution. How about we say
>instead....never spend money on a Fox WITHOUT A GOOD REASON.

I agree with the last sentence entirely. If you can spend 50 bucks on a chick
instead of taking cabs and going dancing and buying her drinks all night to the
tune of $200, take the easy way out... every time. What I am telling you is
that my game is completely subliminal until I turn it on. I always give the
vibe that I am interested in women, but I never give the vibe that I am
interested in her. Not only am I not interested now, I will NEVER BE
INTERESTED if her answers to my questions are not what I want to hear. For me
to be in "I am trying to fuck you" mode would destroy my ops to get the deep
and relevant questions answered quickly and honestly.

It's totally like chess. My game stays dynamic, never static. I reassess
position relative to desired outcome after every event. I take entirely
different paths based on the answers I get to my questions. My game remains
hidden at all times. I only drop the bomb when THE FORCE tells me to. Also,
you need to have a different plan of attack for different types of girls. Some
girls you have to tell what you want to do to them. Some you have to hide it.
Some you have to talk dirty. Some you have to romance. Hiding out, taking no
position on fucking them or not lets you gain insight so that when you do move,
you move in the correct direction at the correct speed to not fumble.

>Most times, by the time we get to the coffee shop, I have handed out NO
>COMPLIMENTS WHATSOEVER.
>
><------Check to make sure that compliments wouldn't have gotten you laid.
> There are exceptions to every rule.

Again. This is for one scenario, the coffee-date. Make no mistake, if I see a
chick that looks like she's ready to fuck, I attack full-on. At any time, if
it will not hinder my neutral position, I will give compliments. Sometimes
"you look good" is all you need. If she responds "you too", then it's on. No
SS No NOTHING!

>If a situation came up where she
>didn't
>want to pay (which would never happen because my first question to a
>chick is
>"what do you do" and I KNOW ahead of time if she can afford to go out to
>eat or
>not) I would say "Whose idea was it to leave the coffee shop? YOU wanted
>to
>eat! YOU should be paying THE WHOLE THING! Besides... I don't know
>about
>Japan, but ANY CHICK I MEET HAS CREDIT! ANY CHICK! I can't remember
>seeing a
>girl without credit or at least an ATM card on her when we go out :)
>
><-------Wouldn't it be wise to let her reject you once (or halt your
>progress) before doing this? It's possible you never had to resort to
>this. I would say to do this after she has put up a wall; why put up a
>wall if she doesn't?

First of all she can't halt my progress because I am NOT MAKING any progress :)
The fork in the road between our styles (on this specific topic) is that YOU
are trying to fuck them or use them to get you other girls. I am trying to
learn about a woman that I have met. Since I am not asking them for anything
but their time and some conversation, it is illogical that I would pay for
ANYTHING of theirs... especially something that THEY decided to do. If I
happen to like her as a person, I may offer to pay the whole thing, but
certainly not on principle. It's really an interview. If they pass the
interview, THEN they may get things from me as REWARDS. Until that time, we
are both free agents.

No. I never have had to resort to this. The women that I meet tend to like to
flaunt the fact that they are independently successful. They like to pay for
stuff because they are used to it. The ones that are single are used to going
out by themselves or with their girlfriends, so they have to pay regardless.
The ones that have boyfriends... well, I HAVE had to remind A FEW chicks going
behind their men's backs what exactly was going on here. The phrase "ask your
boyfriend to buy you _____" has echoed through the empty skulls of many a taken
chick that was out with me :)

The reason to put up a wall is the same as the reason NOT to pay for the movie
in the original post. I need to test them early. If they fail enought tests
for me to eject them, I need to know sooner rather than later. They need to
know that they don't get special treatment because they are female and I am
male. They get special treatment as REWARDS or because I like them as people.
Too many times, things are assumed in the beginning of a "relationship" and
lead to bigger assumptions that fuck you up later on.

>ask her if she knows where blah blah coffee shop is or ask her where her
>favorite coffee shop is (probably near her house) when she tells you, say
>let's meet there tomorrow like 1pm (or whatever you like) this avoids
>the can I get your number / hand out business cards crap. If she agrees
>to meet you the next day and doesn't show up, you don't need her number
>anyway and you CERTAINLY don't want her to have yours. Besides, if she
>is willing to meet you and is interested, she will make sure to give you
>a contact number because SHE will be wondering if you are going to make
>it or not. SHE doesn't want to sit in a coffee shop alone because you
>couldn't call her and reschedule/cancel. Also, you are showing enough
>interest in her to schedule
>some of your time for her, so she is likely to "grace you" with her phone
>number.
>
><-----------The Fonzie Method: "Arnold's. Friday night. 8:00 sharp.
>BE THERE! AAAAAAY!!!!!" :::::flashes thumbs::::::

hahahaha yeah, sure :) Seriously though, it's the same thing. I am going to
be at Arnolds at 8pm in order to meet you there and continue our conversation.
If you agree to meet me and are not there, I am still in a place where I would
be with or without you having fun, and now I know you're full of shit.

>is getting her good feelings from her memory. If she's a talker, ask her
>about
>her best experiences. If she's a listener, tell her stories (true or
>not) that
>lead you to the desired outcome. If they are too raunchy... use quoting.
>
><-----------Women are onto the stories bit. They get a general
>impression of the topic you are leading them to. If it's SS you are
>doing, they will probably know. How well they allow you to succeed is
>going to be determined by something other than SS, but SS can close the
>deal here.

not really. the trick is to relate your stories to the one or two she just
told. "Oh... something like that happened to me one time... I was with this
chick in my house and she said..." It is a natural flow into your part of the
conversation. Most of the time, I get them nodding in agreement, and they
follow with a similar story. Again, it gets over for me more easily because I
am actually chatting with them. For me, the coffee date is an end, not a
means. It becomes a means if you see a door open where you can get more from
her, but I go into such things expecting to spend 1 to 2 hours with them and
then have them go home. AS long as she goes home thinking "what a great guy",
my job is done. There are many more outcomes, but those need to be considered
as the game dynamically progresses.

>Have they ever been in love with one person. Do they understand the
>difference between loving someone and being in love? Gather all the
>information that tells you who you have to be for her to really like you.
> If she likes brains, tell her stories about how smart you're. Sports,
>tell her stories about how athletic you are.
>
><-------If she likes brains, do NOT brag about your intellect. A

that's true... I just mean that if she likes brains and NOT sports, don't tell
her about the time you scored the winning goal in the soccer tournament.

>A major point though is that if her relationship to her boyfriend was so
>good,
>what is she doing sitting out for coffee with you?
>
><-------Passing time. He doesn't own her. Etc. She could be using you
>to get a better deal at home (another reason I don't like Taken Foxes),
>or she could be proving to herself and to her lover that she can have
>male friends, or her ego needs a boost....I wouldn't address this can of
>worms because you are doing her thinking for her.

yeah I would never address it either. However... chicks that get everything
from their men like to hang out with them and drink coffee too. There really
is no reason for them to get to know you if they are satisfied with their men.
If you find this is the case (she loves her man etc etc), you have a strong
pivot because chicks that are with someone love to play matchmaker.

>This does not need to be stated by you. It is obvious. Your job is to
>find out what SHE wants from you and how you plan to demonstrate that you
>can provide it to her through your stories about yourself. Of course you
>need lots of stories about yourself
>dealing with women in the same fashion that she likes to be handles
>herself.
>This stuff seeps in and makes her think of you as "her type" without you
>even
>complimenting her once.
>
><----------I'm more likely to wind up in the coffee shop after bantering
>with her online and covering ALL of this on the net. Why waste my time
>and find this out later?

different games... different strategies. My game is played in the streets, in
the supermarket, on the job, in the bar, at the ballgame... Totally IRL and
in-your-face. Split-second decisions need to be made. The coffee shop is a
neutral arena with people and lighting and no alcohol... An ideal spot for
pulling chicks in and talking to them. You do have a good point though. I am
going to start asking chicks if they are on AOL, and then get their screen
names so I know what they look like already and we can chat in the privacy of
our own computers. Hmm... never thought of that, from real life onto the net
instead of the other way around :)

>Easily within two hours (if you rush, within one, but rushing is no good
>because you have to interrupt her states to bring up the next topic) you
>can
>get all the information you need and STACK examples of how you are her
>type.
>
><------This is basic ass-kissing, and transparent.

no it is not. neither is correct. it is really hard to explain, but my
non-aggressive position from the beginning allows me certain freedoms. When I
stack type-examples, there is no reason for her to know that I am regurgitating
her values that I elicited earlier. It all comes out as conversation... now I
konw something about you... here's something about me... they listen and learn
and drink and laugh and we have a good time and it all seeps in deep. It does
not come off as transparent at all.

>You can see if she's interested in you or not. The next move is to
>switch positions or venues so that you can touch her.
>
><-------This is supplication. If she wants you, she'll touch you.....

My style is like a slingshot. You pull it back as far as you can for as long
as it takes you to line up your shot, then you come BARRELING OUT! Once I get
the mental green-light, I check for the physical green-light. I don't use SS
to the end. When I juice her up enough, autopilot comes off and I drive the
ship myself. I agree with your point, but I only use SS to assess and then set
up horniness and opportunity, then I STRIKE! Physically and with BAD
INTENTIONS!

>My favorite move is to a nearby park. It is free and there is nature
>there and lovers walking around together and no stress and beauty all
>over the place and grass and children and puppies... lots of beautiful
>stuff for her to latch onto and anchor to you. If
>she likes dogs, take her to a dog run. If she likes kids, take her to a
>playground...
>
><-------This is their home court. They're well aware of what's going on
>at this point.

doesn't matter. the sights and sounds help them to have that really fine day
with you that they would like to cap off by "making love" they key in on what
they like to look at, and you can massage them as they relax.

>I prefer the logical argument approach (i.e., having sex
>with other men is not logical), conveyed through your fine words,
>intellect, etc. Once you have conveyed that, you don't have to make
>moves.

That's an interesting concept, but useless. Who cares if she has sex with
other men? It's not going to be easy to convince her that YOU are something
special compared to EVERYONE ELSE :)

>Touching a woman should not be like shooting a hockey puck past
>an NHL goalie. Foreign Foxes don't make me do this: hell, they'll MARRY
>me if I ask them. Why on earth would I beg for a mere kiss from an
>American woman? Tell your this-is-not-a-date (so obvious that you have
>to say it's not a date) that you gave up on American women because they
>are too sexually stingy, and enjoy the friendship while she lets your
>words eat her alive......that's the Foxhunting approach. You can even
>end the friendship without warning by saying that you are fed up with ALL
>American women, and withdraw, leaving it to them to chase you.....okay,
>I'm in love with my gimmick.

I agree it's an excellent gimmick, but we're not talking about touching. We're
talking about physically stimulating a previously mentally stimluated woman so
that she wants to take you home and finish the deal. RIGHT NOW! You can SS
for another hour, or start rubbing those titties and watch her call the cab!

>If you
>initiate, you are attempting to compensate for your ability to arouse her
>mind, and are batting with an 0-2 or a 1-2 count.

I agree, but swinging for the fences on 0-2 has ended many a game in the 9th!

>Once you move from the mental to the physical, it's "touch and go".
>
><-------Not if you have prepped her mentally.

chicks are completely illogical. you need to strike ASAP when you see the
opening and the possibility of fucking her wherever, whenever... Listen to
Mystery's realaudio about the french chick. If I heard it correctly, she asked
him out for drinks, then they went out to a club, then he drove to her house @
2am... 2AM! the next file is @ 3:30am or so with him complaining about the
chick holding her cat (actual cat) all night. Something about he got to touch
her hand and that was it. NOW... that chick went over to Mike Tyson's house @
2am and got RAPED! Why was that? Because no chick in her right mind is going
to go to some guy's house at 2am unless she is going over there to get fucked.
She knew damn well what was going to happen to her and she went anyway for
whatever reasons she had. The point is, if the french chick wanted to hang
out, she could have told Mystery to meet her for a picnic the next day. Of
course he didn't post the realaudio for the whole night's conversation, but I
guarantee you that somewhere in there, he missed his op to feel her up. He
missed his op to massage her or kiss her neck or something. If you get in an
elevator, it's useless unless you know where to get out. You will end up back
on the ground floor @ 3am. I know the SS plan is to have her decide to take
you home and ride you. I only use it to demonstrate value and make them horny,
then outta my way.. I'm comin' in :)

> It's all downhill from there. It's not a far cry from a chick that WANT
>TO
>KISS YO to a chick that WANTS TO MAKE LOVE TO YOU. It really isn't.
>
><---------One French kiss from a woman should mean sex.
>

I agree.

>The whole thing is I slip my shit in "under the rug" :) I present myself
>as
>someone that they would like to be with if they could, but I don't give
>them
>the impression that they can have me at all. You really know you've got
>her
>when she starts asking you about your love life. Also, she's opened the
>can of
>worms where you get to describe all sorts of raunchy behavior FOR FREE,
>since
>she asked for it.
>
><-------The principle of first contact (poison for the person making it).
> Whoever solicits LOSES.

OK. so explain your "I want to fuck you but I am restraining myself" theory.
You have announced your intentions, so you have made first contact. I on the
other hand, never press up until I see the signs that betray their mental
solicitation, or hear the questions that do the same. I never solicit in this
scenario.

>Watch for your breaks. She says "It's getting chilly, let me go home and
>get
>my sweater". Next thing you know you are in her house where you want to
>be.
>
><------When I was 18, I threw a keg party in my dorm. I gave $45 to two
>friends to buy a Keg on the condition that they take care of the
>administration. I had ONE target at the party. My friends put the keg
>in the bathroom, held the party, which was doing better than a
>schoolwide party downstairs for two hours, the target showed up, we went
>to my room together....ALONE....and TALKED for an hour.

ATTACK ATTACK

>I wanted to be a
>gentleman (did I mention my roommate was away for the weekend?).

ATTACK

>Turned
>out she LEFT HER COAT in my dorm room, and went to the party downstairs.
>At 1:45 a.m. she returns for the coat, and we are talking AGAIN for a
>half-hour....

ATTACK ATTACK

>and NOTHING HAPPENED. I believe I missed an "open three."

you can't be blamed for that, but you have to structure ops for chicks to place
themselves where you want them. That was WAY OPEN! the only thing she
_didn't_ do is fake passing out on your bed so you could feel her up.

>Once you capture her imagination and get her to believe that you are the
>man she wants to fuck her right now, she will use the clues you drop on
>her to usher you somewhere to do it, including restaurant bathrooms, if
>that is the last resort and you have already told her stories implying
>that you are willing to have sex with women
>that you find attractive in public bathrooms :)
>
><--------Too risky for my blood. Not recommended for Super-Elites
>either. Then again.....

again, my style allows for some really wild stories with the chicks in a short
amount of time. If she is not a keeper, I will direct my attention to getting
what I can off of her right there. I will use any private area in the venue
and make up a story about it, so that if the chick is freaky like that, she
will get the idea to drag me in there and blow me.

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Some Guy Writes:

><--------You mean where friends is more a rejection of THEM than you.
>This is friendship without pursuit. Falls under "Letting The Clock
Tick"
>too: by not making a move on her, you get to see if she makes one on
you,
>without risk, and you also have REJECTION BY OMISSION, which is another
>negative hit. A guy who wants to be friends with a woman and doesn't
hit
>on her has REJECTED her!!! Ever see a woman blow up because you IGNORED
>her? It's hysterical.

OK. I hadn't thought of all those angles, but I agree with all of that.

<---------That's Foxhunting. Studying the romantic chessboard.

<------I would only buy a woman an outfit for a date after some
connections had been established on other grounds. In NYC I agree with
you, but in Philadelphia it's not as clear. Even still, it's a cost of
doing business. Sometimes it's more efficient to spend $50 on a date
that is two hours rather than to spend two DAYS talking a woman into
bed.....think of how much you can make working while you do that.

>I personally have no problem buying a Fox a coffee. I even tell Foxes
that
>in my book for women on how to get men, I concede that if a woman's a
>Fox, she won't have to ever pay her way, but if she's a non-Elite, she
>better drop that man-pays requirement. This rule seems to hold up.
>Because everyone buys stuff for Foxes, you are not really supplicating
>when you buy; more like you are neg-hitting when you aren't.

That's true. Same for guys. If you HAVE to BRIBE chicks to hang out
with you DO IT! Look at Charlie Sheen. He doesn't have to get
hookers... he LIKES hookers. They are incredible looking and have to
fuck no matter what :) They are well within his budget, so why not
procure the pussy for the fellas every weekend? If a woman is a fox, she
will never have to pay her way on a "date", but I am not talking about
"dating". I am talking about structuring opportunities to talk your game
to her. Paying for shit immediately lets them know that you want
something, which is a no-no for me.

<----------Celebrities like hookers for discretion. They have sex with a
nobody and the next thing you know there's a tell-all on the market the
next year.

<-------------Sounds like we do pretty much the same thing.

It's totally like chess. My game stays dynamic, never static. I
reassess
position relative to desired outcome after every event. I take entirely
different paths based on the answers I get to my questions. My game
remains
hidden at all times. I only drop the bomb when THE FORCE tells me to.
Also,
you need to have a different plan of attack for different types of girls.
Some
girls you have to tell what you want to do to them. Some you have to
hide it.
Some you have to talk dirty. Some you have to romance. Hiding out,
taking no
position on fucking them or not lets you gain insight so that when you do
move,
you move in the correct direction at the correct speed to not fumble.

<----------No matter how prepped you are, the ability to think on the fly
works.

><------Check to make sure that compliments wouldn't have gotten you
laid.
> There are exceptions to every rule.

Again. This is for one scenario, the coffee-date. Make no mistake, if I
see a
chick that looks like she's ready to fuck, I attack full-on. At any
time, if
it will not hinder my neutral position, I will give compliments.
Sometimes
"you look good" is all you need. If she responds "you too", then it's
on. No
SS No NOTHING!

<----------I don't operate that way due to STD risks, but it is sound.
I'm not into "spreading the word" which I caught unfortunately. Herpes,
not AIDS.

><-------Wouldn't it be wise to let her reject you once (or halt your
>progress) before doing this? It's possible you never had to resort to
>this. I would say to do this after she has put up a wall; why put up a
>wall if she doesn't?

First of all she can't halt my progress because I am NOT MAKING any
progress :)

<----Um, you're with her right?

The fork in the road between our styles (on this specific topic) is that
YOU
are trying to fuck them or use them to get you other girls.

<------Yes. This is to minimize the risk of rejection. Does Hugh Hefner
have to pursue women?

I am trying to learn about a woman that I have met. Since I am not
asking them for anything but their time and some conversation, it is
illogical that I would pay for
ANYTHING of theirs... especially something that THEY decided to do.

<----------Maybe I'm lazy, but a few bucks here and there for a woman
doesn't bother me. I don't necessarily make a habit of it, although I do
buy things for nonsexual friends too. They buy for me as well. With
Foxes, I've taken the approach lately that paying is not necessarily
unwise. Anything less than a Fox, don't shell out a PENNY. When you pay
a Fox's way,

If I happen to like her as a person, I may offer to pay the whole thing,
but certainly not on principle. It's really an interview. If they pass
the interview, THEN they may get things from me as REWARDS. Until that
time, we are both free agents.

<---------What are we talking about here? A few dollars? For dinner I
think maybe you are right. Coffee? I don't know.

<-----Women like that have paid my way before....mmm....

The ones that have boyfriends... well, I HAVE had to remind A FEW chicks
going
behind their men's backs what exactly was going on here. The phrase "ask
your
boyfriend to buy you _____" has echoed through the empty skulls of many a
taken
chick that was out with me :)

<-------yep. Though I avoid Taken Foxes. Not into the OJ/Ron Goldman
thing.

The reason to put up a wall is the same as the reason NOT to pay for the
movie in the original post. I need to test them early. If they fail
enought tests for me to eject them, I need to know sooner rather than
later. They need to know that they don't get special treatment because
they are female and I am male. They get special treatment as REWARDS or
because I like them as people. Too many times, things are assumed in the
beginning of a "relationship" and lead to bigger assumptions that fuck
you up later on.

<----------That can be cleared prior to the meeting. Though if you meet
a woman on the fly, I suppose you have to ad-lib. I meet most women on
the net and that's where you can resolve just about everything prior to
the first date, which if executed properly is nothing more than a pitstop
on the way to the bedroom.

><-----------The Fonzie Method: "Arnold's. Friday night. 8:00 sharp.
>BE THERE! AAAAAAY!!!!!" :::::flashes thumbs::::::

hahahaha yeah, sure :) Seriously though, it's the same thing. I am
going to
be at Arnolds at 8pm in order to meet you there and continue our
conversation.
If you agree to meet me and are not there, I am still in a place where I
would
be with or without you having fun, and now I know you're full of shit.

<--------Too wordy. Fonzie had it right. Want a trick for a quick date?
During a conversation, just start walking away and say "I'm heading over
to ________. Come and join me if you like." Then don't even wait for
an answer. Sometimes she'll follow.

<-----------Yep. Letting the game come to you is very important.
Sometimes that's all the progress you make, but if you accumulate it over
time, it pays off. The mistake a guy makes is when she goes home
thinking he's a great guy, he thinks she's his best option and stops
looking elsewhere. Instead, she's a MINOR option.

>Have they ever been in love with one person. Do they understand the
>difference between loving someone and being in love? Gather all the
>information that tells you who you have to be for her to really like
you.
> If she likes brains, tell her stories about how smart you're. Sports,
>tell her stories about how athletic you are.
>
><-------If she likes brains, do NOT brag about your intellect. A

that's true... I just mean that if she likes brains and NOT sports, don't
tell
her about the time you scored the winning goal in the soccer tournament.

<----------What if she's a gymnast? Get rid of those stereotypes!

yeah I would never address it either. However... chicks that get
everything
from their men like to hang out with them and drink coffee too. There
really
is no reason for them to get to know you if they are satisfied with their
men.
If you find this is the case (she loves her man etc etc), you have a
strong
pivot because chicks that are with someone love to play matchmaker.

<---------Most chicks get everything EXCEPT good conversation from their
men. I'll have to disagree on that one. Sometimes they will use you to
fill the one gap their men leave.

><----------I'm more likely to wind up in the coffee shop after bantering
>with her online and covering ALL of this on the net. Why waste my time
>and find this out later?

different games... different strategies. My game is played in the
streets, in
the supermarket, on the job, in the bar, at the ballgame... Totally IRL
and
in-your-face. Split-second decisions need to be made. The coffee shop
is a
neutral arena with people and lighting and no alcohol... An ideal spot
for
pulling chicks in and talking to them. You do have a good point though.
I am
going to start asking chicks if they are on AOL, and then get their
screen
names so I know what they look like already and we can chat in the
privacy of
our own computers. Hmm... never thought of that, from real life onto the
net
instead of the other way around :)

<---------Yep!!!! I put this in my book for women as the recommended way
to connect. Go online from offline, then don't go back offline until sex
is involved. For exactly the reasons you stated. Very easy to get
e-mail. From there, very easy to seduce...

<-----Give women a little credit, please.....

It all comes out as conversation... now I konw something about you...
here's something about me... they listen and learn and drink and laugh
and we have a good time and it all seeps in deep. It does not come off
as transparent at all.

<-----Women see the big picture very clearly: you are talking to them to
get into their pants. Give them a little credit, please....

>You can see if she's interested in you or not. The next move is to
>switch positions or venues so that you can touch her.
>
><-------This is supplication. If she wants you, she'll touch you.....

My style is like a slingshot. You pull it back as far as you can for as
long
as it takes you to line up your shot, then you come BARRELING OUT! Once
I get
the mental green-light, I check for the physical green-light. I don't
use SS
to the end. When I juice her up enough, autopilot comes off and I drive
the
ship myself. I agree with your point, but I only use SS to assess and
then set
up horniness and opportunity, then I STRIKE! Physically and with BAD
INTENTIONS!

<----------If she's horny enough, she'll strike.

><-------This is their home court. They're well aware of what's going on
>at this point.

doesn't matter. the sights and sounds help them to have that really fine
day
with you that they would like to cap off by "making love" they key in on
what
they like to look at, and you can massage them as they relax.

<-----------There has to be an underlying attraction for this to work.
What causes them to be receptive to the environment in the first place?
Know how I learned this? I studied massage in my early 20's, and told a
guy I had success with it. He said "Well, by the time she's letting you
give her a massage, you've already got her." He was right.

That's an interesting concept, but useless. Who cares if she has sex
with
other men? It's not going to be easy to convince her that YOU are
something
special compared to EVERYONE ELSE :)

<---------The "boyfriend destroyer" can be done with logic. Most women
don't pick well anyway. She didn't pick you = she didn't pick well.
Usually very easy to prove. It's minority party politics. Useless? I
don't know. Limited use? Not my primary method. The Foreign Fox
Gimmick is.

>Touching a woman should not be like shooting a hockey puck past
>an NHL goalie. Foreign Foxes don't make me do this: hell, they'll MARRY
>me if I ask them. Why on earth would I beg for a mere kiss from an
>American woman? Tell your this-is-not-a-date (so obvious that you have
>to say it's not a date) that you gave up on American women because they
>are too sexually stingy, and enjoy the friendship while she lets your
>words eat her alive......that's the Foxhunting approach. You can even
>end the friendship without warning by saying that you are fed up with
ALL
>American women, and withdraw, leaving it to them to chase you.....okay,
>I'm in love with my gimmick.

I agree it's an excellent gimmick, but we're not talking about touching.
We're
talking about physically stimulating a previously mentally stimluated
woman so
that she wants to take you home and finish the deal. RIGHT NOW! You can
SS
for another hour, or start rubbing those titties and watch her call the
cab!

<------The Foreign Fox Gimmick is CHECKMATE. I dare ANY man to use this
Gimmick for a month and tell me otherwise. It's the strongest move on
the board in almost ANY situation.

>If you
>initiate, you are attempting to compensate for your ability to arouse
her
>mind, and are batting with an 0-2 or a 1-2 count.

I agree, but swinging for the fences on 0-2 has ended many a game in the
9th!

<-----------That doesn't justify the first two strikes, though it's good
to be able to knock the ball out of the park in that situation.

>Once you move from the mental to the physical, it's "touch and go".
>
><-------Not if you have prepped her mentally.

<-----I have long believed that Tyson was set up. Washington had
previously accused a man of the same behavior, and three witnesses who
saw them making out in the lobby were not allowed to testify at his
trial, according to some news reports.

The point is, if the french chick wanted to hang out, she could have told
Mystery to meet her for a picnic the next day. Of course he didn't post
the realaudio for the whole night's conversation, but I guarantee you
that somewhere in there, he missed his op to feel her up.

<-----I'm sorry, but I hope to NEVER have to play the game this way. It
reminds me of when I was 19 and stupid. No way.

He missed his op to massage her or kiss her neck or something. If you
get in an elevator, it's useless unless you know where to get out. You
will end up back
on the ground floor @ 3am. I know the SS plan is to have her decide to
take
you home and ride you. I only use it to demonstrate value and make them
horny,
then outta my way.. I'm comin' in :)

<-----------To each their own.

> It's all downhill from there. It's not a far cry from a chick that
WANT
>TO
>KISS YO to a chick that WANTS TO MAKE LOVE TO YOU. It really isn't.
>
><---------One French kiss from a woman should mean sex.
>

I agree.

<-----Definitely.

>The whole thing is I slip my shit in "under the rug" :) I present
myself
>as
>someone that they would like to be with if they could, but I don't give
>them
>the impression that they can have me at all. You really know you've got
>her
>when she starts asking you about your love life. Also, she's opened the
>can of
>worms where you get to describe all sorts of raunchy behavior FOR FREE,
>since
>she asked for it.
>
><-------The principle of first contact (poison for the person making
it).
> Whoever solicits LOSES.

OK. so explain your "I want to fuck you but I am restraining myself"
theory.
You have announced your intentions, so you have made first contact. I on
the
other hand, never press up until I see the signs that betray their mental
solicitation, or hear the questions that do the same. I never solicit in
this
scenario.

<-----------Usually it just comes out in conversation, best if she says
"I know you want me" or something like that. I'm like "Yes I do, so
what?" Drives them up the wall. I'm not Foxhunting these days so I
can't create a scenario right now, but that's the basics. Sometimes I
have gone as far as to say that I won't act on my desire just to prove I
have control over it, that I am willing to forget her EVEN IF I CAN HAVE
her and EVEN IF I WANT HER, just to prove to myself I can. No woman
wants to be the one I prove it to myself with. Of course, you could lose
the woman that way. Like in that Searching For Bobby Fischer movie, the
Laurence Fishburn character says to Josh: "You've GOT to risk losing,
Josh! You've got to RISK EVERYTHING!" Great chessplayers win games
because they know how to defend by counterattacking. Illogic is a
dangerous weapon when used properly. Here I am, wanting her, thinking
she might want me, and STILL not pursuing. I'm rejecting her for....NO
GOOD REASON AT ALL! How does it feel when a woman does that to you?

>Watch for your breaks. She says "It's getting chilly, let me go home
and
>get
>my sweater". Next thing you know you are in her house where you want to
>be.
>
><------When I was 18, I threw a keg party in my dorm. I gave $45 to two
>friends to buy a Keg on the condition that they take care of the
>administration. I had ONE target at the party. My friends put the keg
>in the bathroom, held the party, which was doing better than a
>schoolwide party downstairs for two hours, the target showed up, we went
>to my room together....ALONE....and TALKED for an hour.

ATTACK ATTACK

<---Oh no, I wanted to show her what a GENTLEMAN I was. I was, um,
"falling in love" with her at the time. I called her a few months ago
for my book, and she was very happy to hear from me, said she was busy,
called me back (!), and we talked for about an hour. Turned out that
part of her life was a blur and she barely remembered me. She was rather
messed up too, but I liked her because she was nice to EVERYONE. I
thought that was a special quality.

>I wanted to be a
>gentleman (did I mention my roommate was away for the weekend?).

ATTACK

<------Well yeah.

>Turned
>out she LEFT HER COAT in my dorm room, and went to the party downstairs.

>At 1:45 a.m. she returns for the coat, and we are talking AGAIN for a
>half-hour....

ATTACK ATTACK

<-------Well yeah.

>and NOTHING HAPPENED. I believe I missed an "open three."

you can't be blamed for that, but you have to structure ops for chicks to
place
themselves where you want them. That was WAY OPEN! the only thing she
_didn't_ do is fake passing out on your bed so you could feel her up.

<----------I wasn't that kind of guy and still am not.

again, my style allows for some really wild stories with the chicks in a
short
amount of time. If she is not a keeper, I will direct my attention to
getting
what I can off of her right there. I will use any private area in the
venue
and make up a story about it, so that if the chick is freaky like that,
she
will get the idea to drag me in there and blow me.

<-----------If she's not a keeper, I won't give her the time of day
anymore. Also give women some credit....they know what's up. A lot of
them have to play along with your game because otherwise they would be a
slut......that's something Ross exploits brilliantly.

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Some Guy Writes:

>Anyways, NYC; I got a question about your comments. You say about not
>paying a date until she fucks you...okay absolutely right. I agree, and
I
>absolutely understand the theory..
>
><--------I think that is too extreme. I do believe that if you date, it
>should be to date, not have sex.

I think that if you are willing to pay to have a chick escort you where
you are
going and eat food and dring stuff... then fine. Just don't think that's
getting you any closer to fucking her than you were before you took her
out.
Yes there are some chicks that like to get material things for sex.
There are
also some that believe that women have to put out when men take them out.
Both
sets of chicks are idiots. Use them if you see this trait in them.
Otherwise,
save your money.

<-------------That's what I said. A date is a DATE; sex is accomplished
by CONVERSATION, which doesn't have to happen on a date.

><------In SS, you are supposed to seduce her with words and make her
want
>to FUCK you. This can happen ANYWHERE. Think of ANY conversation you
>have with a woman as a date, and then go for it. If you are into SS,
>that is how it's done.

exactly. What I was describing can be done in the street, at a party, in
her
house... anywhere. The point is to get her to listen to what you have to
say,
by any means. Once she is listening, fill her head with the right stuff,
and
you're in there :)

<-----------Yep. One step at a time, don't overstep.

>sex. With animals, conversation is not inherent in the seduction; with
>us, it is.

good point.

<-----But wait!! You should be into BEASTIALITY by now. Why? Look at
the first three words you clipped.....

I just use conversation to keep her there so all he rest of the stuff can
get hammered into her. I talk about nothing, but she is getting the vibe
the whole time, then she can't accuse me of seducing her because I never
said anything.

<---------Yep. Plausible deniability, a woman's favorite trick.

MrSex4uNYC

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>Again. This is for one scenario, the coffee-date. Make no mistake, if I
>see a
>chick that looks like she's ready to fuck, I attack full-on. At any
>time, if
>it will not hinder my neutral position, I will give compliments.
>Sometimes
>"you look good" is all you need. If she responds "you too", then it's
>on. No
>SS No NOTHING!
>
><----------I don't operate that way due to STD risks, but it is sound.
>I'm not into "spreading the word" which I caught unfortunately. Herpes,
>not AIDS.

so basically, when you were active, you weren't playing for fucking all the HBs
that you wanted... it was more like collecting prospects for long-term
relationships and pivots to meet more women and prepetuate the cycle?

I was assuming the "seduction" part meant sex. Faster way to get them to fuck.
What was your desired outcome then?

>><-------Wouldn't it be wise to let her reject you once (or halt your
>>progress) before doing this? It's possible you never had to resort to
>>this. I would say to do this after she has put up a wall; why put up a
>>wall if she doesn't?
>
>First of all she can't halt my progress because I am NOT MAKING any
>progress :)
>
><----Um, you're with her right?

yeah. what I mean is that in this scenario, I am getting to know another human
being and sex is not an issue at all. Yes, she knows that I am talking to her
to get in her pants. What she doesn't know is how I plan to do it (curiousity)
or if I am ever going to tell her straight that I want her. I never "make
progress" in fucking her. I only make progress in getting to know her as a
person and spending time with a beautiful woman. When I see the signs I need
and the path to the desired outcome, I change the game... or not :)

>The ones that are single are used to
>going
>out by themselves or with their girlfriends, so they have to pay
>regardless.
>
><-----Women like that have paid my way before....mmm....

yeah, but then you were obliged to give them sexual favors! didn't you feel
like a slut after that?

>The phrase "ask your
>boyfriend to buy you _____" has echoed through the empty skulls of many a
>taken
>chick that was out with me :)
>
><-------yep. Though I avoid Taken Foxes. Not into the OJ/Ron Goldman
>thing.

Since I am revamping my game/point B, this is NOW part of my RULES. The OJ
thing is a definite consideration, like I was telling Maniac for talking on th
ephone to that guy :) Also, taken foxes have less free time (by definition)
than single foxes. single foxes are more bored, more lonely, more desirous of
your company (really any man's company)... there are many benefits. I am
hereby swearing off taken foxes :)

The reason that I was specializing in taken foxes is that they are the easiest
prey for a quick fuck. Single chicks tend to think toward relationships.
Taken chicks think toward revenge against their boyfriends cheating on them and
getting a new sexual experience they don't have at home. You don't have to buy
them anything or take them anywhere, and they have no right to expect anything
from you. As soon as they say "I have a boyfriend... but" that's it. You both
know it's sex time and that's that.

However, that's the game that hung me out to dry one night last week, when I
couldn't get a hold of any of "my" chicks... because they aren't MINE :) I am
renting them from the suckers that own and maintain them. Let me tell you,
that game is an ego trip, but it's completely fruitless after a while :)

>><-----------The Fonzie Method: "Arnold's. Friday night. 8:00 sharp.
>>BE THERE! AAAAAAY!!!!!" :::::flashes thumbs::::::
>
>hahahaha yeah, sure :) Seriously though, it's the same thing. I am
>going to
>be at Arnolds at 8pm in order to meet you there and continue our
>conversation.
>If you agree to meet me and are not there, I am still in a place where I
>would
>be with or without you having fun, and now I know you're full of shit.
>
><--------Too wordy. Fonzie had it right.

OH PLEEEEEASE! please please DON'T think I would EVER _SAY_ anything like that
HAHAHAHA :) I was just telling YOU the mindset behind it!

Me: Listen, it was nice talking to you. I'd love to continue this some other
time... (pause to see if she makes suggestions or starts writing phone
numbers... if not) I'm going to Starbucks on blah blah around 1 tomorrow
afternoon. YOU WANT TO MEET ME THERE(?)

If she doesn't agree or make a better plan, I leave anyway, with nothing, as
ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST plays in my head.

><-----------Yep. Letting the game come to you is very important.
>Sometimes that's all the progress you make, but if you accumulate it over
>time, it pays off. The mistake a guy makes is when she goes home
>thinking he's a great guy, he thinks she's his best option and stops
>looking elsewhere. Instead, she's a MINOR option.

definitely... stopping collecting chicks is an error. One day, the one chick
that you have based your life on will let you down, then you will either be
NOWHERE or you will have other chicks to see immediately. You should always
collect, either to stay in practice or for a "rainy day".

>I just mean that if she likes brains and NOT sports, don't
>tell
>her about the time you scored the winning goal in the soccer tournament.
>
><----------What if she's a gymnast? Get rid of those stereotypes!

so what if she is a gymnast... her profession/hobby has nothing to do with the
traits she values in a man.

><---------Most chicks get everything EXCEPT good conversation from their
>men. I'll have to disagree on that one. Sometimes they will use you to
>fill the one gap their men leave.

good point. I hadn't thought of that. at this point, it's not relevant to me
because my rules now include that she has to be SINGLE. I have not decided
whether to accept dating other men or not... I just know that committed bitches
are THROUGH!

><---------Yep!!!! I put this in my book for women as the recommended way
>to connect. Go online from offline, then don't go back offline until sex
>is involved. For exactly the reasons you stated. Very easy to get
>e-mail. From there, very easy to seduce...

I will report how this works. Seduction from offline to online. Fascinating!
Direct connection to their bedrooms! Last "voice" they hear before dreaming at
night! Brilliant! Plus you already know what you're getting because you met
them. Fascinating.

>When I juice her up enough, autopilot comes off and I drive
>the
>ship myself. I agree with your point, but I only use SS to assess and
>then set
>up horniness and opportunity, then I STRIKE! Physically and with BAD
>INTENTIONS!
>
><----------If she's horny enough, she'll strike.

In my new game, this is relevant and important. I was playing for hit-and-run
up until now. Now... I am a collector. And not a collector of skanks either
:) A woman will have to PROVE to me why I should maintain contact with her.
Why she is better than the other million chicks in this city. Also, that she
has the desire and skill to suck my dick more often than a mail-order
Russian-slut.

><-----I have long believed that Tyson was set up. Washington had
>previously accused a man of the same behavior, and three witnesses who
>saw them making out in the lobby were not allowed to testify at his
>trial, according to some news reports.

oh, she was not raped. she "cashed in" on Tyson. That bitch knew full well
what a bootie-call is. She also knew that MIKE TYSON was NOT going to call
some bitch to his house to talk... at lunchtime OR 2am. He fucked her and she
fucked him.

>if the chick is freaky like that, she
>will get the idea to drag me in there and blow me.
>
><-----------If she's not a keeper, I won't give her the time of day
>anymore.

That's just what I'm talking about now. My wing and I met a couple of bitches
from Bensenhurst the other night. The one I was talking to had two jobs AND
was a full-time medical student = no free time and lived 2 hours away from me
HAHAHAHA I gathered a little more information then excused myself and left
them standing there. The chick was fine and all that, but getting together
with HER in the future was going to be tougher than meeting another bitch just
like her.

Markku Jantunen

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Jun 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/2/99

Fight RAYcism_NOW <fight_ra...@juno.com> writes:

><-------If she likes brains, do NOT brag about your intellect. A
>Minddigger will KNOW if you are smart or not. I have Foxes who LUST
>after my mind. Being SOMEWHAT intelligent is like being SOMEWHAT good in
>bed. They want the BEST minds, the SHARPEST minds, and the most CREATIVE
>minds. If you are not a genius, don't worry about intellect beyond what
>being stupid will cost you. You aren't going to compete with power
>brains unless you have one, and if you have one, you won't have to
>advertise it. Minddiggers comprise about 99.99999 percent of my fan
>club.

(The above sounds like advertsing your brains, which, of course, does
not matter if you do not care about what women think about you based
on articles in this newsgroup.)

I've heard many reasonably intelligent American men call themselves
genii. I have also been called one by an American friend of mine.
Naturally, the meaning of the word "genius" depends on culture.
In the Nordic countries, blatantly calling oneself a genius would
cause most people to perceive one as a very immature person even if
one really were a genius. In the American vernacular, the word seems
to be quite inflated. Americans in general aren't that anal about
the use of big words.

- mj

--
Markku Jantunen, m...@cs.tut.fi, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~msj/

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