I can't belive you think......
Becks
that I ain't already and can't see right thru!!!!!
fluca
when a guy you have no interest in tells it.
But if the guy who tells the stupid joke happens to be a David Beckham or a
Brad Pitt (I'm not sure about the spelling), I bet you would laugh.
Therefore, a lot of ASFs methods are about either being able to know the
right thing to say (a good joke), or garnishing the "tools" (like alpha
behavior, social proof, etc) that would enable the "bad joke teller" to be
perceived as a Brad Pitt.
Finally when a person is able to do both things, he will be pretty much
close to achieving a PUA (Pick Up Artist) status.
P.S. Yes Odious, I am simplifying a LOT here.
"Becks" <beck...@SPAMihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:abgh6i$oe6$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
Mirak
say
> that I ain't already and can't see right thru!!!!!
But of what are you talking about ? lol
Alex
wrote on 5/10/02 9:10 AM:
> gurls will fall for this crap!!!!! there is NOTHING that you can do or say
> that I ain't already and can't see right thru!!!!!
>
>
Another trollette...... where are they all coming from?
Swank
says...
> gurls will fall for this crap!!!!! there is NOTHING that you can do or say
> that I ain't already and can't see right thru!!!!!
You have very poor communication skills.
--
Swank
Win At Betting
>that I ain't already and can't see right thru!!!!!
Oh I think the methods work fine on women like yourself.
Which says a lot!
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
http://www.cybersheet.com
fluca
> Oh I think the methods work fine on women like yourself.
>
> Which says a lot!
Come on Ray, behave yourself.
Odious
Becks wrote:
>
> gurls will fall for this crap!!!!!
What crap are you talking about? If you mean the lie about being a
psychic crap and the whine about women having sex with players crap, then
I agree with you. However that crap is posted by our resident news loon
and does not represent the vast majority of material here.
Don't make the mistake of assuming that raytard's crap is favored by
anybody but him.
> there is NOTHING that you can do or say
> that I ain't already and can't see right thru!!!!!
Now that sounds like an overly defensive statement. Obviously you
haven't seen it all... nobody really has. SO what would prompt such a
defensive statement of bravado?
Odious
My guess is ray has posted some troll in another group... he's done it
before. He posts some crap about the evil woman hating rapists in ASF
and sometimes a few activist type chicks take the bait. Each time women
come here based on some BS crap ray posted, and soon find he's full of
shit. It is usually interesting.
Odious
Win At Betting wrote:
>
> >gurls will fall for this crap!!!!! there is NOTHING that you can do or say
> >that I ain't already and can't see right thru!!!!!
>
> Oh I think the methods work fine on women like yourself.
>
> Which says a lot!
>
Ray, did you assume because she said "crap" she was talking about your
stuff?
Mirak
Mirak
"fluca" <fl...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:UiYC8.68408$r_2.6...@news.easynews.com...
>
> > Oh I think the methods work fine on women like yourself.
> >
> > Which says a lot!
>
> Come on Ray, behave yourself.
It will be impossible to change that wire ...
(lol)
Win At Betting ADVISORY
winatb...@aol.com (Win At Betting) wrote:
>
> >gurls will fall for this crap!!!!! there is NOTHING that you can do or say
> >that I ain't already and can't see right thru!!!!!
>
> Oh I think the methods work fine on women like yourself.
>
> Which says a lot!
>
>
> Ray Gordon, GENIUS
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Mirak
"Win At Betting ADVISORY" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in
message news:3G6NWJFL37387.2832175926@frog.gilgamesh.org...
This post was made by an asshole who have really not much sens of honor than
Ray.
Hey you behind this post, you are laughable ...
Nebuchadnezzar
> haven't seen it all... nobody really has. SO what would prompt such a
> defensive statement of bravado?
A lot of chicks can't stand to think they are the least bit vulnerable to
anything a man could possibly do and they are in control no matter what.
Bullshit useless crap.
Becks
Yes I was talking about his stuff
Becks
"Nebuchadnezzar" <wit...@witheld.com> wrote in message
news:E%dD8.14984$UV4.1872@rwcrnsc54...
of you guys can say that that they can score what they desire?? I am ALWAYS
in control.....you men are just puppets!
Odious
Becks wrote:
>
> "Nebuchadnezzar" <wit...@witheld.com> wrote in message
> news:E%dD8.14984$UV4.1872@rwcrnsc54...
> > > Now that sounds like an overly defensive statement. Obviously you
> > > haven't seen it all... nobody really has. SO what would prompt such a
> > > defensive statement of bravado?
> >
> > A lot of chicks can't stand to think they are the least bit vulnerable to
> > anything a man could possibly do and they are in control no matter what.
> > Bullshit useless crap.
> >
> >
> Whatever.......hey at least I can say I can have ANY man I want.
And I'll just bet you don't WANT any men you can't have.
>...how many
> of you guys can say that that they can score what they desire??
I can.
> I am ALWAYS
> in control.....you men are just puppets!
Funny, ray's made the same claim. I find those who feel they need to
broadcast how in control they are of someone in a relationship, are
demonstrating a lot of insecurity.
Is it not a greater accomplishment to make someone want to walk willingly
beside you, than for you to have to always stand behind them, pushing
them along? I don't have to control women any more than a sail boat has
to control the wind and the ocean.
Real seduction is not about control, it is about desire. A man need not
control anything more than himself to be an effective seducer.
Etherman
Then it's a rather pointless post. Ray is the only person who thinks
his methods work. I wouldn't be surprised if even he thinks they're
bunk.
--
Etherman
AA # pi
EAC Director of Ritual Satanic Abuse Operations
AMTCode(v2): [Poster][TĘ][A5][Lx][Sx][Bx][FD][P-][CC]
Etherman
>
> "Nebuchadnezzar" <wit...@witheld.com> wrote in message
> news:E%dD8.14984$UV4.1872@rwcrnsc54...
> > > Now that sounds like an overly defensive statement. Obviously
you
> > > haven't seen it all... nobody really has. SO what would prompt
such a
> > > defensive statement of bravado?
> >
> > A lot of chicks can't stand to think they are the least bit
vulnerable to
> > anything a man could possibly do and they are in control no matter
what.
> > Bullshit useless crap.
> >
> >
> Whatever.......hey at least I can say I can have ANY man I want....
Sure you can. I'd like to see you try your shit on me. With your
attitide (which can be spotted a mile away) I wouldn't even give you a
"no thanks."
DeepBlue
says...
> Whatever.......hey at least I can say I can have ANY man I want....how many
> of you guys can say that that they can score what they desire?? I am ALWAYS
> in control.....you men are just puppets!
If you are an *attractive* woman then you DO have a lot of control in
making men want to have sex with you.
However, the areas where you are WEAK and typically struggle to gain
some measure of control is in trying to differentiate between those men
who are going to fuck you and dump you, and those men who care enough
about you to be looking for more than just a dickwarmer for the night.
Also, your much vaunted control fades with each passing year, along with
your looks. Most women know this, and for that reason most women tend
not to brag noisily about how "in control" they are. IOW, you sound more
like a guy posing as a woman.
I'd bet money that you are not an attractive woman, but are merely a
male troll doing what trolls do--trying to elicit a big reaction with a
minimum of effort. The name "becks" is probably a disposable troll name
adopted for this one time use. Come to think of it, your comments are a
typical Ray regurgitation, so maybe you're not a troll but a Ray sock
puppet.
I don't even know why I bothered to respond. I had a few minutes to
kill, but even so, the realizaton that I may have inadvertently
acknowledged and responded to something posted by Ray makes me shudder.
GONE
Becks
"DeepBlue" <Deep...@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:S1QE8.1882$Vq6.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
What an insult!! I guess you hit your mark there putting me in the same
category as Ray!! http://briefcase.yahoo.com/iblonde_bimbo_nz go see for
yourself!!
Alex
wrote on 5/16/02 7:02 PM:
Checked out the pictures. You're not a bad looking woman.
Too bad your personality is so ugly.
fluca
say must be Ray. I guess Deepblue is not so deep after all. LOL
Before starting to pull weight, have you ever done swimming? I'm
guessing you're about 5´6 ??
On a more serious note: I can assure you that you cannot have ANY man
you might possibly want, but I'm pretty sure you can have plenty of man that
can give you what you want (be it money, sex, companionship, whatever).
If you don't mind talking about yourself, I would love to know if you
actually enjoy "dominating" men or if it comes naturally to you; if your
father was by any chance in the army; and/or if you are an "only child".
"Becks" <beck...@SPAMihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ac1e3o$ffs$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
DeepBlue
says...
At last we know what Ray looks like
:-)
Becks
> ROTFLMAO, these guys will never learn. Anyone who goes against what
they
> say must be Ray. I guess Deepblue is not so deep after all. LOL
>
> Before starting to pull weight, have you ever done swimming? I'm
> guessing you're about 5´6 ??
No can't swim! I am 5'9" body sculpter
>
> On a more serious note: I can assure you that you cannot have ANY man
> you might possibly want, but I'm pretty sure you can have plenty of man
that
> can give you what you want (be it money, sex, companionship, whatever).
Actually I havn't tried for a while as I am happily married to the man I
wanted....:) but up until I was a player I never failed......
>
> If you don't mind talking about yourself, I would love to know if you
> actually enjoy "dominating" men or if it comes naturally to you; if your
> father was by any chance in the army; and/or if you are an "only child".
>
>
Just comes naturally.......my husband is the first person that has ever been
dominant with me.......not excessively but I take notice of what he has to
say....
Nope father not in the army and I am the second oldest of the three sisters
and one brother.......all strong woman...:)
Becks
"DeepBlue" <Deep...@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
Oh does Ray live in NZ as well...check my headers or do you give so much
credit to Ray as to be able to fake them?
Not Here
I think you're taking it too seriously... I'm pretty sure DeepBlue was only
kidding about you being Ray.
Becks
"Not Here" <not...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:wQ_E8.43693$G%3.198...@typhoon.columbus.rr.com...
Simplex
chance?
Well, before writing this off as the pathetic attempt of attention
that it is, let's see how much we can learn from it.
> > ROTFLMAO, these guys will never learn. Anyone who goes against what
> they
> > say must be Ray. I guess Deepblue is not so deep after all. LOL
Sadly, I agree.
> > On a more serious note: I can assure you that you cannot have ANY man
> > you might possibly want, but I'm pretty sure you can have plenty of man
> that
> > can give you what you want (be it money, sex, companionship, whatever).
Correction: You can have men who are stupid and alone enough to PAY to
be with you. Be the payment money, sex, companionship, or whatever.
Speaking of which, those men are only being with you for as far as
your looks. Obvious your personality isn't greatly attractive.
> Actually I havn't tried for a while as I am happily married to the man I
> wanted....:) but up until I was a player I never failed......
Up until you were a player? Hmm and you are here critisizing *our*
methods?
I smell serious insecurities here.
Insecure of what you ask? (Or argue against immediatly)
Possibly that her appearence is shedding, slowly but inevitably. And
upon realization that her personality is hopelessly lacking, she goes
insane with worry and begin developing a slight bitterness toward
others. Among them, those who have the ability to find partnership
without looks alone.
In simple terms, She's Jealous.
> > If you don't mind talking about yourself
Oh she won't, she's desperate for ANY attention she may get. It might
be her last chances.
> Just comes naturally.......my husband is the first person that has ever been
> dominant with me.......not excessively but I take notice of what he has to
> say....
Ok guys (fellow PUAs), what does this say?
She's stuck to guys she can dominate in the past, until she ran into a
confident, alphamale, and goes nuts over him. (More proof that ASF's
methods works)
Of course, she tries to cover it up again (insecure).
Basically, she's saying:
"yeah he's confident unlike the AFC losers I used to date/use, and I
wet myself when he exudes such confidence and dominance as an
Alphamale... BUT I"M REALLY IN CONTROL... REALLY!!! yOU HAVE TO
BELIEVE ME!!! PLEASE BELIEVE ME!"
Lol... this is too amusing.
In her desperate attempts at attention for escape of her own endless
insecurities, she proves our point.
No confident women would NEED to post her own half-naked, half visible
pictures on the net to PROVE that she's good looking.
HELL no confident person needs to do that. They'll just chuckle and
walk away.
>
> Nope father not in the army and I am the second oldest of the three sisters
> and one brother.......all strong woman...:)
>
All strong women eh? Including your father and brother?
Hmmm I think I know what this is all about now...
hehehehe
Allright boys, your turn~
fluca
"Simplex" <kf_di...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:92aff50b.02051...@posting.google.com...
> Remember how we vowed to learn something about seduction at EVERy
> chance?
We who? And when?
> Well, before writing this off as the pathetic attempt of attention
> that it is, let's see how much we can learn from it.
You sound desperate to write off everything she said. Why?
You don't sound very PUA to me. A "tough" or "bad tempered" woman (WITH the
right looks, granted) to me is much more attractive than a beautiful empty
head.
> > > On a more serious note: I can assure you that you cannot have ANY
man
> > > you might possibly want, but I'm pretty sure you can have plenty of
man
> > that
> > > can give you what you want (be it money, sex, companionship,
whatever).
>
> Correction: You can have men who are stupid and alone enough to PAY to
> be with you. Be the payment money, sex, companionship, or whatever.
> Speaking of which, those men are only being with you for as far as
From exactly where did you take this info? Do you know her? When did she
hint at any of these possibilities?
Taking rabbits out of your hat might seem amusing to you, but actually it is
pretty sad.
> your looks. Obvious your personality isn't greatly attractive.
But it is. Despite of what Alex's whines (you have an ugly personality, boo
hoo) might have hinted.
> > Actually I havn't tried for a while as I am happily married to the man I
> > wanted....:) but up until I was a player I never failed......
>
> Up until you were a player? Hmm and you are here critisizing *our*
> methods?
> I smell serious insecurities here.
Our methods? Exactly which of ASF methods you claim as your own?
She was criticizing Ray's methods, on which I might add she is not alone.
As for your sense of smell, I think you ought to go see a doctor. You need
it.
> Insecure of what you ask? (Or argue against immediatly)
> Possibly that her appearence is shedding, slowly but inevitably. And
> upon realization that her personality is hopelessly lacking, she goes
> insane with worry and begin developing a slight bitterness toward
> others. Among them, those who have the ability to find partnership
> without looks alone.
False premise.
>
> In simple terms, She's Jealous.
Jealous of what? If you knew anything about women you would realize that the
ones with the tougher exterior are also the ones with the softer interior
(Oh grow up, you know I'm talking about personality here, LOL). You just
have to be MAN enough to pass her shittests.
> > > If you don't mind talking about yourself
>
> Oh she won't, she's desperate for ANY attention she may get. It might
> be her last chances.
>
Last chance at what? Did you caught the term MARRIED?
>
> > Just comes naturally.......my husband is the first person that has ever
been
> > dominant with me.......not excessively but I take notice of what he has
to
> > say....
>
> Ok guys (fellow PUAs), what does this say?
> She's stuck to guys she can dominate in the past, until she ran into a
> confident, alphamale, and goes nuts over him. (More proof that ASF's
> methods works)
Now you are talking.
>
>
> Of course, she tries to cover it up again (insecure).
> Basically, she's saying:
> "yeah he's confident unlike the AFC losers I used to date/use, and I
> wet myself when he exudes such confidence and dominance as an
> Alphamale... BUT I"M REALLY IN CONTROL... REALLY!!! yOU HAVE TO
> BELIEVE ME!!! PLEASE BELIEVE ME!"
Low blow. Not very PUA.
> Lol... this is too amusing.
> In her desperate attempts at attention for escape of her own endless
> insecurities, she proves our point.
>
> No confident women would NEED to post her own half-naked, half visible
> pictures on the net to PROVE that she's good looking.
> HELL no confident person needs to do that. They'll just chuckle and
> walk away.
Again, you steered into the right direction here, but no man that knows he's
game is going to divulge this info. Either he will use it to his advantage
or he will shut up. Only a true jerk would say a thing like that out loud.
To me, YOU sound desperate for attention.
> All strong women eh? Including your father and brother?
> Hmmm I think I know what this is all about now...
Completely uncalled for, lowest of the low blows.
If you were not so mystified by the possibility to show your lack of
understanding of women and your hurry to attack someone that obviously you
perceived as a threat, you would see that:
To my knowledge, she was the first woman with a strong character that was
open about the fact that she preferred dominant (in the ALPHA sense of the
word) males. Every single dominant women I know (aside from her) will, when
asked about it, give you the speech about how no man can dominate her, when,
actually, she would enjoy not having to be in control all the time. This,
BTW, is not to say that she will turn into a completely submissive woman.
Try and cheat on her and you will end up getting your ass kicked (if you are
not on the top of your game).
Also, a woman like her (with strong character) presents a WELCOME challenge
when compared to the average female. Why do you think that most of the PUAs
will only go for the 9s and 10s? Wrong, it is not only about the looks, but
the CHALLENGE and the recognition that comes from overcoming it. Most 9s and
10s have HUGE bitch shields, when it comes to the average male, and this
presents a challenge. A woman like Becks, who is beautiful, sexy and have a
hot body, would be up with the 9s and 10s on any scale. When you combine
those factors with the challenge presented by her personality you find
yourself talking to a very, VERY interesting woman.
You pointed out some aspects of her personality that were probably dead on,
but you misused them. Knowledge equals power only when it is used. BUT,
power misused equals ABUSE, and that is what you did.
So, either you are a PUA on a VERY bad day, or you are a poser. Either way,
GO RTFM!!!
Alex
fl...@terra.com.br wrote on 5/18/02 8:21 AM:
> Despite of what Alex's whines (you have an ugly personality, boo
> hoo) might have hinted.
And what fluca post would be complete without some kind of swipe at me?
Simplex
> > Remember how we vowed to learn something about seduction at EVERy
> > chance?
> >
> We who? And when?
I'm speaking in general terms here moron. Don't take it so literaly.
>
> > Well, before writing this off as the pathetic attempt of attention
> > that it is, let's see how much we can learn from it.
>
>
>
> You sound desperate to write off everything she said. Why?
You sound desperate to write off everything *I* said. Why?
My post was biased because I dislike this type of Men-are-pathetic
rants.
But where exactly did you come up with the "desperate" part?
>
> You don't sound very PUA to me.
Just from the comments I made on this post you have already decided
that I'm not very PUA?
In what way are you more justified than I am?
You don't sound very PUA to me.
A "tough" or "bad tempered" woman (WITH the
> right looks, granted) to me is much more attractive than a beautiful empty
> head.
That's your opinion. And does not prove your point nor argue mine.
Common fallacy.
>
>
> > > > On a more serious note: I can assure you that you cannot have ANY
> man
> > > > you might possibly want, but I'm pretty sure you can have plenty of
> man
> that
> > > > can give you what you want (be it money, sex, companionship,
> whatever).
> >
> > Correction: You can have men who are stupid and alone enough to PAY to
> > be with you. Be the payment money, sex, companionship, or whatever.
> > Speaking of which, those men are only being with you for as far as
>
>
> From exactly where did you take this info? Do you know her? When did she
> hint at any of these possibilities?
Lol... Shoud I even try to argue this point?
Where exactly did I take this info? Common sense, experience, things I
read from the manual, etc.
Do you Agree with the point that she can get ANY man she wants?
If not, then you are merely arguing my point for the sake of argument
(or attention)
> > your looks. Obvious your personality isn't greatly attractive.
>
> But it is. Despite of what Alex's whines (you have an ugly personality, boo
> hoo) might have hinted.
Is it? This is up to opinion so I won't elaborate.
>
> > > Actually I havn't tried for a while as I am happily married to the man I
> > > wanted....:) but up until I was a player I never failed......
> >
> > Up until you were a player? Hmm and you are here critisizing *our*
> > methods?
> > I smell serious insecurities here.
>
>
>
> Our methods? Exactly which of ASF methods you claim as your own?
How did I claim ASF methods my own? This makes absolutely no sense.
She came in saying simply that ASF is transparent.
"(I can't believe you think) gurls will fall for this crap!!!!! there
is NOTHING that you can do or say that I ain't already and can't see
right thru!!!!!"
-Becks
My point was that she states she had been a player and comes in saying
that ASF methods are transparent and useless to women who are Strong
like her.
>
> She was criticizing Ray's methods, on which I might add she is not alone.
>
> As for your sense of smell, I think you ought to go see a doctor. You need
> it.
This point is so pathetic I have no intention of even debating.
And you state later on that MY comments were low.
>
> > Insecure of what you ask? (Or argue against immediatly)
> > Possibly that her appearence is shedding, slowly but inevitably. And
> > upon realization that her personality is hopelessly lacking, she goes
> > insane with worry and begin developing a slight bitterness toward
> > others. Among them, those who have the ability to find partnership
> > without looks alone.
>
>
>
> False premise.
Correction: opinion and hypothesis.
Unless you can prove it false stop trying so hard to argue my every
point.
Don't act like an idiot. I hate arguing with idiots who have no
intellect and argue for the hell of it.
> > In simple terms, She's Jealous.
>
>
>
> Jealous of what? If you knew anything about women
Once again, your commiting a common falacy.
You first imply I don't know anything about women, then try to prove
your point on that opinion.
>you would realize that the ones with the tougher exterior are also
the ones with the softer interior
This is completely your opinion. I don't agree with that point at all.
Not to mention this is a complete generalization and has little to do
with our argument at hand.
> > > > If you don't mind talking about yourself
> >
> > Oh she won't, she's desperate for ANY attention she may get. It might
> > be her last chances.
> >
>
>
>
> Last chance at what? Did you caught the term MARRIED?
At attention, dumbass.
>
> > > Just comes naturally.......my husband is the first person that has ever
> been
> > > dominant with me.......not excessively but I take notice of what he has
> to
> > > say....
> >
> > Ok guys (fellow PUAs), what does this say?
> > She's stuck to guys she can dominate in the past, until she ran into a
> > confident, alphamale, and goes nuts over him. (More proof that ASF's
> > methods works)
>
>
>
> Now you are talking.
Thx for finally waking up. Sheesh I was starting to wonder if you even
READ the manual yet.
> > Of course, she tries to cover it up again (insecure).
> > Basically, she's saying:
> > "yeah he's confident unlike the AFC losers I used to date/use, and I
> > wet myself when he exudes such confidence and dominance as an
> > Alphamale... BUT I"M REALLY IN CONTROL... REALLY!!! yOU HAVE TO
> > BELIEVE ME!!! PLEASE BELIEVE ME!"
>
>
>
> Low blow. Not very PUA.
True, it was a bit low. But with the comments she was throwing around
it's not completley unfair.
Once again, I should clarify my stance on women that rant and rave
about players being pigs. I don't like them. They are bitches.
Not very PUA? right and you are the judge to me being PUA? Lol
somebody has an ego problem.
Being PUA does not mean I can no longer have opinions and critisize.
>
>
>
> > Lol... this is too amusing.
> > In her desperate attempts at attention for escape of her own endless
> > insecurities, she proves our point.
> >
> > No confident women would NEED to post her own half-naked, half visible
> > pictures on the net to PROVE that she's good looking.
> > HELL no confident person needs to do that. They'll just chuckle and
> > walk away.
>
>
>
> Again, you steered into the right direction here, but no man that knows he's
> game is going to divulge this info.
And you prove your point how?
What is your point, first of all?
Either he will use it to his advantage
> or he will shut up. Only a true jerk would say a thing like that out loud.
Right, because no *real* man in YOUR terms would ever stand up and
share his opinions right?
>
> To me, YOU sound desperate for attention.
You come to that conclusion how?
>
>
>
> > All strong women eh? Including your father and brother?
> > Hmmm I think I know what this is all about now...
>
>
>
> Completely uncalled for, lowest of the low blows.
It's a joke, sweetheart.
>
>
>
> If you were not so mystified by the possibility to show your lack of
> understanding of women and your hurry to attack someone that obviously you
> perceived as a threat, you would see that:
Wow. You've hit rock bottom and are appearently starting to dig.
>
> To my knowledge, she was the first woman with a strong character that was
> open about the fact that she preferred dominant (in the ALPHA sense of the
> word) males.
Untrue.
A large majority of females I know state they prefer dominant males.
You need to get out more. Stop arguing on the internet for the sake of
it and go out and sarge.
Every single dominant women I know (aside from her) will, when
> asked about it, give you the speech about how no man can dominate her, when,
> actually, she would enjoy not having to be in control all the time. \
Right, all the dominant women YOU know. If you are commenting from
your personal experience then all your comments above only apply to
you. Not me.
> BTW, is not to say that she will turn into a completely submissive woman.
> Try and cheat on her and you will end up getting your ass kicked (if you are
> not on the top of your game).
You mean YOU will get your ass kicked. I have no problem with MLTRs
with dominant women. They seem content enough with our relationship.
This kind of thing you can get from reading the manual. I suggest you
try it.
>
> Also, a woman like her (with strong character) presents a WELCOME challenge
> when compared to the average female. Why do you think that most of the PUAs
> will only go for the 9s and 10s? Wrong, it is not only about the looks, but
> the CHALLENGE and the recognition that comes from overcoming it.
Lol Most PUAs go for 9s and 10s for their character? Even for the
challenge and recognition? I doubt that. Once again, speak for
yourself.
I know I don't go for 9s and 10s for their character. That's why we
rate them according to their APPEARENCE, rather than Personality.
But I agree it plays a role though.
Most 9s and
> 10s have HUGE bitch shields, when it comes to the average male, and this
> presents a challenge. A woman like Becks, who is beautiful, sexy and have a
> hot body, would be up with the 9s and 10s on any scale.
I actually put her at a 7.5 in my books, but for you I guess we need
to lower the scale a bit.
This is still, like EVERYTHING above, completely your opinion. You
have no proof nor any backing.
When you combine
> those factors with the challenge presented by her personality you find
> yourself talking to a very, VERY interesting woman.
Oh really? That how you felt? Interesting women eh?
I thought she was a bitch. Why?
What she said: "(I can't believe you think) gurls will fall for this
crap!!!!! there is NOTHING that you can do or say that I ain't
already and can't see right thru!!!!!"
-Becks
1. She came in, made a generalization without any regard of PUA
philosphies.
2. She claims she sees through everything we do and say, before even
meeting us.
3. She critisizes ASF ("this crap") before understanding it.
In summery, she comes in with no previous knowledge of ASF and it's
contents, and argues meaninglessly without knowledge and intellect.
Kind of like you.
She's not Interesting. She's not even unique. Every week we have
people like this seeking attention come in and make a stupid,
pointless comment.
Hell, I'm talking to one right now.
>
> You pointed out some aspects of her personality that were probably dead on,
> but you misused them. Knowledge equals power only when it is used. BUT,
> power misused equals ABUSE, and that is what you did.
You tried to balance your arguments by making a lame attempt to
congradulate me, thinking it's not transparent.
You pointed out some aspects of my arguments, but none were correct.
Then you tried arguing your points with your own opinion and false
proof, thinking you can get away with it.
That's not abuse. That's stupidity.
I learned somthing today.
"Never argue with a fool, they'll drag you down to their level and
beat you with experience."
fluca
about her personality. Grow up. A bad personality, boo. You should be
saying, if this is what you felt: NEXT. Not whining about her personality.
Even you, having been here the amount of time you have, should know that.
fluca
> My post was biased because I dislike this type of Men-are-pathetic
> rants.
say, you PUA!
fluca
> I'm speaking in general terms here moron. Don't take it so literaly.
Define general.
> You sound desperate to write off everything *I* said. Why?
> My post was biased because I dislike this type of Men-are-pathetic
> rants.
> But where exactly did you come up with the "desperate" part?
already answered.
> You don't sound very PUA to me.
>Just from the comments I made on this post you have already decided
>that I'm not very PUA?
>In what way are you more justified than I am?
>You don't sound very PUA to me.
Unlike you, I never claimed to be a PUA. And yes it was just from the
comments of your post. You cannot be PUA now, not PUA then, turn it of, turn
it on, as much as one cannot SOMETIMES be alpha.
> > From exactly where did you take this info? Do you know her? When did she
> > hint at any of these possibilities?
>
> Lol... Shoud I even try to argue this point?
You shouldn't, because you can't.
> Where exactly did I take this info? Common sense, experience, things I
> read from the manual, etc.
Now tell me, where in the manual (you must mean the FAQ) is stated that
particular piece of info about her, or any similar woman?
>
> Do you Agree with the point that she can get ANY man she wants?
> If not, then you are merely arguing my point for the sake of argument
> (or attention)
>
Agreeing or not with your point is not the issue here. I am disagreeing with
the substanciation of your oppinion. Or lack of it, as it were.
> >
> > She was criticizing Ray's methods, on which I might add she is not
alone.
> >
> > As for your sense of smell, I think you ought to go see a doctor. You
need
> > it.
>
> This point is so pathetic I have no intention of even debating.
> And you state later on that MY comments were low.
How is it a low blow? Only to a SHORT sighted person (pun intended).
> > > Insecure of what you ask? (Or argue against immediatly)
> > > Possibly that her appearence is shedding, slowly but inevitably. And
> > > upon realization that her personality is hopelessly lacking, she goes
> > > insane with worry and begin developing a slight bitterness toward
> > > others. Among them, those who have the ability to find partnership
> > > without looks alone.
> > False premise.
> Correction: opinion and hypothesis.
> Unless you can prove it false stop trying so hard to argue my every
> point.
Opinion and hypothesis. What is wrong here? OPINION. you cannot substantiate
NOTHING with opinions. If you do not have FACTS, do not state your
"hypothesis".
> Don't act like an idiot. I hate arguing with idiots who have no
> intellect and argue for the hell of it.
Nice going. Politedness always work. Yeah you are very much a PUA. Every
sentence of yours prooves it. (to those unfamiliar, this is called sarcasm).
> > > In simple terms, She's Jealous.
> > Jealous of what? If you knew anything about women
> Once again, your commiting a common falacy.
> You first imply I don't know anything about women, then try to prove
> your point on that opinion.
>
ROTFLMAO!!!! Go read your Odious manual, wanna be. LOL. At least he knows
how to do it right.
> >you would realize that the ones with the tougher exterior are also
> the ones with the softer interior
>
> This is completely your opinion. I don't agree with that point at all.
> Not to mention this is a complete generalization and has little to do
> with our argument at hand.
Complete generalization. Let me see, weren't you the one who said:
> Where exactly did I take this info? Common sense, experience, things I
> read from the manual, etc.
What does Webster says about common sense?
Main Entry: common sense
Function: noun
Date: 1535
1 : the unreflective opinions of ordinary people
2 : sound and prudent but often unsophisticated judgment
Need I say more?
> > Last chance at what? Did you caught the term MARRIED?
>
> At attention, dumbass.
So now you are stating that her husband doesn't give her attention. I assume
you know him...
And I am the dumbass.
> Thx for finally waking up. Sheesh I was starting to wonder if you even
> READ the manual yet.
The MANUAL? No I read the FAQ?
This manual I haven't read. Where is it posted?
> True, it was a bit low. But with the comments she was throwing around
> it's not completley unfair.
> Once again, I should clarify my stance on women that rant and rave
> about players being pigs. I don't like them. They are bitches.
And you reward what you call a bitch by giving her attention and replying to
her. VERY PUA!!!
>
> Not very PUA? right and you are the judge to me being PUA? Lol
> somebody has an ego problem.
> Being PUA does not mean I can no longer have opinions and critisize.
No, it means you know what you are talking about, which clearly you DON'T.
> > Again, you steered into the right direction here, but no man that knows
he's
> > game is going to divulge this info.
>
> And you prove your point how?
> What is your point, first of all?
A bit dense, I see. Ok my point is that no PUA would do that. Need I make a
draw?
> Either he will use it to his advantage
> > or he will shut up. Only a true jerk would say a thing like that out
loud.
>
> Right, because no *real* man in YOUR terms would ever stand up and
> share his opinions right?
No, a real man knows WHAT, WHEN and HOW to say things.
> > To me, YOU sound desperate for attention.
>
> You come to that conclusion how?
Can you read? You posted your asinine rant trying to turn yourself into the
eyes of the readers into a PUA. Who are you anyway? Aside from being
simplex. LOL
> > > All strong women eh? Including your father and brother?
> > > Hmmm I think I know what this is all about now...
> > Completely uncalled for, lowest of the low blows.
>
> It's a joke, sweetheart.
No, it is a jerk.
> > If you were not so mystified by the possibility to show your lack of
> > understanding of women and your hurry to attack someone that obviously
you
> > perceived as a threat, you would see that:
>
> Wow. You've hit rock bottom and are appearently starting to dig.
> >
> > To my knowledge, she was the first woman with a strong character that
was
> > open about the fact that she preferred dominant (in the ALPHA sense of
the
> > word) males.
>
> Untrue.
> A large majority of females I know state they prefer dominant males.
> You need to get out more. Stop arguing on the internet for the sake of
> it and go out and sarge.
Again can you read: first woman with a strong character. You realise there
is a difference right? Then again maybe you don't.
*fell asleep for the rest of the rant*
Alex
fl...@terra.com.br wrote on 5/18/02 6:04 PM:
Go back and re-read what I wrote.
Better yet, I'll re-post it for you. I know how lazy you trolls can be.
>Checked out the pictures. You're not a bad looking woman.
>
>Too bad your personality is so ugly.
If you're into women with attitudes, that's your issue.
I'm not and I find posts like hers to be indicative of a personality that
I'd want NOTHING to do with. It was relevant since she set herself up as
claiming to be able to get ANY man.
Only a troll with an agenda could argue that it was whining.
Get over yourself.
Odious
Simplex wrote:
>
> >
> > > Remember how we vowed to learn something about seduction at EVERy
> > > chance?
> > >
> > We who? And when?
>
> I'm speaking in general terms here moron. Don't take it so literaly.
>
> >
> > > Well, before writing this off as the pathetic attempt of attention
> > > that it is, let's see how much we can learn from it.
> >
> >
> >
> > You sound desperate to write off everything she said. Why?
>
> You sound desperate to write off everything *I* said. Why?
Fluca is a troll.
Becks
"Odious" <Odi...@cox.net> wrote in message news:3CE7170C...@cox.net...
Actually as far as I have read I think that Fluca would be the only one IMO
that would be in for a chance with woman, you guys should take some lessons
from him!!
Becks
> chance?
> Well, before writing this off as the pathetic attempt of attention
> that it is, let's see how much we can learn from it.
>
>
>
>
>
> > > ROTFLMAO, these guys will never learn. Anyone who goes against
what
> > they
> > > say must be Ray. I guess Deepblue is not so deep after all. LOL
>
> Sadly, I agree.
>
>
> > > On a more serious note: I can assure you that you cannot have ANY
man
> > > you might possibly want, but I'm pretty sure you can have plenty of
man
> > that
> > > can give you what you want (be it money, sex, companionship,
whatever).
>
> Correction: You can have men who are stupid and alone enough to PAY to
> be with you. Be the payment money, sex, companionship, or whatever.
What a pathetic thing to say...........yes I get sex and companionship with
my husband and also I guess to a degree money as well.......as in one week
he will pay the rent bills etc and other times I pay them, please define
whatever.......but that is all part of a relationship what is mine is his
and what is his is mine....I am sure if you were ever in a relationship you
would understand this........but in saying that then you are also saying
that everyone in a relationship is like that! men and woman alike........My
husband is far from being stupid and alone......he has more intellegence in
his little toe than you have as a whole, IMO of what I have seen so far.
> Speaking of which, those men are only being with you for as far as
> your looks. Obvious your personality isn't greatly attractive.
>
>
Absolute crap..........my personality TO YOU is not attractive, because you
are afraid of strong woman......my looks may initially attract the men but
it is my personality that keeps them........same when I was attracted to
good looking men.....if they couldn't hold a conversation then I was outta
there.
>
> > Actually I havn't tried for a while as I am happily married to the man I
> > wanted....:) but up until I was a player I never failed......
>
> Up until you were a player? Hmm and you are here critisizing *our*
> methods?
> I smell serious insecurities here.
>
I am critisizing RAYS methods!! and it appears I am not alone......
> Insecure of what you ask? (Or argue against immediatly)
> Possibly that her appearence is shedding, slowly but inevitably.
Of course.......from the moment you are born you are going thru the
process......I am not afraid of looking my age........I am 31, I also keep
getting asked for proof of age for cigarettes and alcohol!! .......why would
I be afraid of loosing my looks.......I am a happily married woman I intend
to be with this man for life and part of that life is growing older
together.....
And
> upon realization that her personality is hopelessly lacking, she goes
> insane with worry and begin developing a slight bitterness toward
> others. Among them, those who have the ability to find partnership
> without looks alone.
>
Again you are speaking out of your posterior.
> In simple terms, She's Jealous.
>
Of what?? (love to hear this one)
>
>
> > > If you don't mind talking about yourself
>
> Oh she won't, she's desperate for ANY attention she may get. It might
> be her last chances.
>
Desperate I don't think so!
>
> > Just comes naturally.......my husband is the first person that has ever
been
> > dominant with me.......not excessively but I take notice of what he has
to
> > say....
>
> Ok guys (fellow PUAs), what does this say?
> She's stuck to guys she can dominate in the past, until she ran into a
> confident, alphamale, and goes nuts over him. (More proof that ASF's
> methods works)
>
I have met many confident men in my life........my husband is just himself
he is georgous, intellegent, modest and above all honest......he doesn't
need to used ASF to attract anyone! Belive me there were many broken hearts
I am sure when they found out he got hitched!
>
> Of course, she tries to cover it up again (insecure).
> Basically, she's saying:
> "yeah he's confident unlike the AFC losers I used to date/use, and I
> wet myself when he exudes such confidence and dominance as an
> Alphamale... BUT I"M REALLY IN CONTROL... REALLY!!! yOU HAVE TO
> BELIEVE ME!!! PLEASE BELIEVE ME!"
>
The other men were confident men as well! again good looking with
intellegence.......(that is what I am attracted to). I was the dominant
one.....my husband and myself switch.......:) makes it more interesting.
>
> Lol... this is too amusing.
> In her desperate attempts at attention for escape of her own endless
> insecurities, she proves our point.
>
> No confident women would NEED to post her own half-naked, half visible
> pictures on the net to PROVE that she's good looking.
> HELL no confident person needs to do that. They'll just chuckle and
> walk away.
>
Again bullshit......I am an exhibitionist..always have been always will
be.......they were 'tame' pictures, nothing pornographic about
them....taken for a body competition. I quite often play around on webcam.
Are you going to say there is something wrong with that??
>
> >
> > Nope father not in the army and I am the second oldest of the three
sisters
> > and one brother.......all strong woman...:)
> >
>
> All strong women eh? Including your father and brother?
> Hmmm I think I know what this is all about now...
>
> hehehehe
>
Nothing funny about that statement whatsoever.......gee people that laugh at
their own jokes are a bit of a joke to me......
>
>
> Allright boys, your turn~
Simplex
I see. That explains alot.
I should've known better.