>> You didnt listen when I told you the clerk said the best thing you
>> could do for your case is to shut your freaking mouth about it
until
>> it gets into court. You should have learned the phrase **NO
COMMENT**.
>> Deal with it GRP.
>>
>> Scorpion
>
> Good advice Gordon.
Like when you said your "wife was an attorney?"
Look "Vance," I'm still here, still pointing out what a windbag you
are, and still preparing that little RICO action which may have a
female friend or two of yours wondering why they ever relied on you as
a cyber-pitbull.
Oh, but women RULE you "Vance," don't they?
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
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Subject: Re: Thanks guys
From: amodern...@aol.com (A Modern Caveman)
Date: 17 Aug 2002 16:35:34 GMT
Message-ID: <20020817123534...@mb-fl.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
>> > Once again, you could legitimately claim that your system is more
>> > popular than Ross' system. So in one real, tangible sense it
would be
>> > "better."
>>
>> Define "better."
>
> Well, one way a system is "better" is by being more popular.
That's "popular." "Better" is a question of effectiveness at the cost
of the
resources required.
For example, being a drug dealer might get you laid, but at a price.
>> > best-selling book on the NYTimes list, and that you'd be
appearing on
>> > Oprah to promote it.
>>
>> Hyperbole.
>
> I'm glad you agree that you didn't really mean that.
It was common in the early internet days.....could just be delayed
though.
Winning the approval of the old media is still a second priority.
Having a
website makes a lot of it moot.
I still believe Oprah will discuss this group and many of its
products.
>> Still could happen......hadn't counted on a crapload of defamation,
>> either.
>
> You didn't expect after the harsh invective that you gave to people online
> regarding their seduction strategies that you and your system would not be
> under close scrutiny?
It's not really scrutinized. In fact, it's rarely discussed.
Defamation isn't scrutiny, it's lies I don't care to repeat here
because then I
get accused of drawing attention to them.
> It's rather like a right-wing conservative Christian bashing you about how
> you operate a business, and then he goes into business for himself. One is
> more likely to watch his business carefully to see if he "walks his talk."
I'm putting out a method absolutely free. Not much of a big deal
there.
Odd that you'd try to make this group about *me* rather than the
on-topic
stuff.
Scrutiny works in every direction, by the way.
>> No shipping? That's his viewpoint, and it's worth exploring.
>
> Of course, no shipping. You go to Borders and buy the paperback.
>
> See, his book was self-published and released to the bookstores. Life 101
> was a NYTimes bestseller, as were several other books of his. Originally
> he listed cult leader John-Roger as a co-author, but later disassociated
> with him, as is explained in "Life 102 (What to do when your guru sues
> you.)" I believe that McWilliams' books Do It!, and Love 101 were also
> best-sellers, although I don't have my resource handy to check.
"Stop the insanity" was also a bestseller.
>> Of course, this is another example of damages causing
opportunity-cost
>> damages.
>> If it's ruled that I was in fact damaged, lack of investment in
>> print-on-demand technology could be included as a secondary
consequence.
>
> I'm glad you point out the distinct possibility that the courts will rule
> that you were not damaged in any way.
Libel per se doesn't require a showing of damages. Punitive damages
also
apply.
>> > Who, specifically, is being disqualified for rule breaking?
>>
>> Wait for the lawsuits to be filed, and the parties will be named.
>
> My lifespan is a maximum of 121 years, more likely 75 or so. I'm not sure
> I have time to wait for the lawsuit to be filed.
By the time I prove you wrong, don't expect me to care at all about
what you or
anyone else thinks or posts.
Civil RICO casts a wide net, and a lot of people here may find
themselves
entangled in it.
Everything you need to know about women
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
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Subject: Re: Urgent News Flash
From: amodern...@aol.com (A Modern Caveman)
Date: 06 Jun 2002 15:25:46 GMT
Message-ID: <20020606112546...@mb-ma.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
>> God help you when RICO comes down on you....soon, Davey. (that's
CIVIL RICO
>> so whoever thought it was criminal was misguided).
>
> THAT sounds like a threat.
No, it's a PROMISE, and any claims by anyone else to the contrary
would be
defamatory.
You're not a lawyer, Mr. Darrow, are you? You're also not a
mindreader.
The courts need to see how hypnotists and their groupies are behaving
online.
By the way, since RICO has a ten-year time-limit, I guess I'll see him
in court
in 2012 if I don't follow through <snicker>. But I will.
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Subject: Re: A little assistance please....
From: amodern...@aol.com (A Modern Caveman)
Date: 20 Jul 2002 18:32:16 GMT
Message-ID: <20020720143216...@mb-mg.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
> I wouldn't worry... It's just Gordon's pathetic attempt at shutting you up.
> He's done this to many people, but knows he can't sue for fear of his
> deranged statments coming out into the scrutiny of the public eye. His words
> have been archived, therefore, any anti-defamation lawsuit he dares file
> will become nothing more than frivilous.
Guess again, asswipe.
Then again, if someone relies on your LEGAL ADVICE to their detriment,
well... Archives work both ways. Selectively deleting one half of them
doesn't play. The only reason I haven't sued yet is that the time
limits for suing Penn were shorter.
A RICO net is going to be dropped over this group not long from now,
and then you folks will learn the difference between what you THINK is
relevant and what IS relevant.
When that happens, make sure that you don't try to revise history in
any way, shape or form.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
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Subject: Re: High School Stage Hypnosis RAPE CHILDREN
From: amodern...@aol.com (A Modern Caveman)
Date: 20 Jul 2002 07:53:31 GMT
Message-ID: <20020720035331...@mb-mg.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
>> I'm writing about the dangers, not sensationalizing a specific
case.
>>
>> Ray Gordon, GENIUS
>>
>
> Actually, you made a specific allegation. I challenged you to show
> ANY proof that there have ever been ANY instances where this has
> occurred. You have not done so. Therefore, you have not supported
> your statement. Without support, your statement is meaningless noise
> and a waste of bandwidth.
Not to those who have children who might be put in danger.
Those people can just play it safe, and all the noise in the world you
make isn't going to stop it.
Too bad for you, isn't it?
> You have no proof. None. Zip. Zilch. Squat. Nada.
>
> Prove me wrong or be shown for what you are - someone who posts
> inflammatory statements such as this in a manner intended to hurt
> others for spiteful reasons.
Not spite at all....I know the dangers of hypnosis and have a DUTY to
WARN the public about them.
You're just mad because I won't argue on your terms. Again, too damn
bad.
Seems that little "advisory" people were counting on flew the coup
too....LOL!
If you think THIS is bad, wait until you see the REAL media blitz
that's about to follow. This is just exhibition season for me.
Maybe if the profession did a better job of rooting out its
FETISHISTS, I wouldn't have so much ammunition.
> Or would you prefer that we do that debate that you challenged me to.
Not at present. I have a few things to resolve relating to the
internet first.
I would, however, like to run a number of postings in this group by
you for your FORMAL commentary........
> I would be happy to do so under the conditions outlined - where you
> don't have to leave your home and I do my bit from a different time
> zone than the one you live in)?
No need. I'm very busy dealing with a few cockroaches on this group
who seem to think laws don't apply to them. Priority, I'm sure you
understand.
> Your call - the ball is in your court.
I have time limits for filing a RICO action against several other
people in this group and have been extremely busy making my case
before I file it, so no. I have over 2,000 posts to sort out, from
here, plus some from the DP website (yes, people even followed me over
there but were nice enough to give me jurisdiction).
See, under "civil RICO," when someone builds a hate website and
encourages others to link to it to "expose" me, and the others follow
suit, that's a CONSPIRACY. Before I proceed, I've been gathering info
on how to get courts in other districts to issue subpoenas to
ISPs.....surely you understand that while you are a model of civility,
others here don't rise to your inspiring standard and since they've
encouraged me to sue them, I wouldn't want to let them down.
Don't mean to bore you with all that stuff, as it is not relevant to
the debate or to you, but it IS relevant to my time limits.
You of all people understand one's need to clear their name when
defamed. When I'm done with that mess, I'll get back to you on the
debate. Until then, I'll just be posting my warnings.
Have a nice day.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
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Subject: Re: Intimidation of Federal Witnesses.
From: amodern...@aol.com (A Modern Caveman)
Date: 12 Jul 2002 11:13:27 GMT
Message-ID: <20020712071327...@mb-fl.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
>> You didnt listen when I told you the clerk said the best thing you
>> could do for your case is to shut your freaking mouth about it
until
>> it gets into court. You should have learned the phrase **NO
COMMENT**.
>> Deal with it GRP.
>>
>> Scorpion
>
> Good advice Gordon.
Like when you said your "wife was an attorney?"
Look "Vance," I'm still here, still pointing out what a windbag you
are, and still preparing that little RICO action which may have a
female friend or two of yours wondering why they ever relied on you as
a cyber-pitbull.
Oh, but women RULE you "Vance," don't they?
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
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Subject: Parkers campaign to intmidate anybody with information for
UPenn
From: Scorpion <mkSco...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:46:37 -0500
Message-ID: <cjkihusa5nd4crfue...@4ax.com>
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis, alt.seduction.fast
Gordie has been in ASF ASG and AH trying to intimidate potential
witnesses in his federal trial against UPenn or anybody having info or
evidence for UPenn. Trying to cover your threats with some garbage
about hypnotists and schools and abuse in gymnastics is a smokescreen.
It all comes down to an obvious effort to intimidate.
> ......RICO.....
>
> If you post it again, you're going to have a problem.
>
> Careful, Jimmy......
>
> One day the RICO net will come down on those who are trying to pretend they
> don't have ulterior motives for trashing me, and those motives will be exposed.
>
> The scariest thought anyone on the net has is that I might have the money to
> sue them properly one day. As I've said before, money is no longer the issue,
> time is. Thanks to some idiots I now have home court jurisdiction and regardless
> of my financial standing, the complaints can be filed here.
>
> Once I do, there won't be any turning back for anyone, and anyone who tries to
> pretend that they were just kidding or whatever will be shit out of luck.
>
Editor's Note: We would like to also point out, that this post is
irrefutable evidence of Ray's intent to file malicious and vexatious
litigation, in violation of Pennsylvania's Barratry Statutes. This
post clearly states that if he had enough money, he would sue everyone
who has ever criticized him.
>
> What are you going to DO about it, coward?
>
> Thought so.
>
> London courts aren't that far from NYC, only a six-hour plane ride.
>
> How about we send them the ones from the PENN EMPLOYEE, DURING BUSINESS
> HOURS
>
> UPenn Employee calls Penn Women "Japs"
>
> That's short for JEWISH AMERICAN PRINCESS. Publicity works BOTH ways, folks.....
>
>
>
> Ray Gordon, GENIUS
> http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
>
>
> Now there's more cause for uncovering your ID, and those you're acting in
> concert with.
>
> Others will be held liable due to the group dynamic here.
>
> State your full name and address for service of process if you aren't
> afraid of being sued or prosecuted, coward.
>>
>>
>> Beside served for what, a coffee invitation.
>
> No, a lawsuit and criminal charges.
>
> I'm just pointing out the obvious: these folks HIDE behind their monitors.
>
> They can't do that when they're sued.
>
> See the post "About Thom Geiger" in the archives for more information on the
> billing contact for this website.
>
>Very revealing.
>
>
> Ray Gordon, GENIUS
>http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
>
>
> posting a SHITLOAD of other stuff which is being archived and organized in case
> it becomes relevant, well, that's NEWSWORTHY.
>
> Wonder what the women's studies department at the University would think of
> this one....
>
> You're making some very defamatory presumptions without a shred of evidence
> either way. People get sued for stuff like that....
>
> NOTE: he's posting from Canada, because he doesn't think he can be sued up
> there.
>
> Some real names and other info will be provided about the critics, but
> everything will be backed by THEIR OWN WORDS.
>
> People here will even get to watch the site as it is constructed and new names
> are added.
>
> ALL information relevant to these people will be revealed.
>
Editor's Note: Here, Gordon Roy clearly states his intention to reveal
personal information he has been collecting about those persons whom
he thinks have been criticizing his posts. If this isn't a confession
of Invasion of Privacy, we don't know what is.
>
> Courtrooms aren't anonymous places; you wouldn't likely have any relevance in
> one, or if you thought you did, you could be scrutinized much more thoroughly.
>
> Since there is a public-policy interest in preventing child abuse, I have great
> freedom to notify gymnasts, parents, and their gyms of who tries to cover this
> stuff up, and who resorts to crime to do so.
>
> List of "fetish" stage hypnotists to be circulated among high schools.....
> This'll put a stop to this QUICK.
>
> It's in the public interest. Parents will very quickly put two and two
> together and stop hiring them.
>
>You're destroying your profession on your own, folks.....
>
> The list will include hypnotists who do R-rated shows on the side, who
> participate in Yahoo! groups devoted to hypnofetish,
>
> Other links explaining their illegal conduct will be added as well, especially
> those who see no problem with "white power" groups.......
>
> Go ahead, babies, whine out here all you want....there's NOTHING you can do
> about it. It's all true.
>
> It's time to get these perverts out of our high schools.
Well see what the court officials have to say GRP.
Scorpion
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Subject: Re: Ray makes all of you look stupid!
From: amodern...@aol.com (A Modern Caveman)
Date: 22 Jun 2002 02:10:09 GMT
Message-ID: <20020621221009...@mb-fg.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
> It is the response to the personal attacks that we must NEVER reply to. Let
> the advisory take care of that.
>
> He knows how to get you going...Don't let that happen. We all need to bite
> the bullet and give him NOTHING .
>
> Anything short of this will just encourage him more.
>
> Dianne
Open CONSPIRACY to use a hate website to attack me?
You are BEGGING for a RICO action, Dianne.
BEGGING.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
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Subject: Re: Who care Ray
From: amodern...@aol.com (A Modern Caveman)
Date: 20 Jun 2002 04:40:32 GMT
Message-ID: <20020620004032...@mb-mo.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
> Ray, I have copy of chat logs where you threaten this person you refuse to name.
Psst: chat logs can be doctored.
You're not one of those chump men who believes women all the time are
you?
That's pretty sad.
> SO WHAT. YOU BROKE THE LAW.
Apparently not.
Editor's Note: This is another demonstration by Gordon Roy that as
long as no police agency arrests him, then he isn't breaking the law.
This is something that needs to be addressed.
> SHE DID NOT. GET THE DIFFERENCE?
Actually, "corrupting the morals of a minor" IS a crime. But don't let
the details get you down.
> YOU IDIOT. These chat logs would make interesting reading for the local DA.
Psst: chat logs can be doctored, though not when they are reported
directly to AOL.
> You love to imply something happen. I have copies of chat logs that show you have
> repeatedly made direct threats. Notice I don't have to try and manipulate anything.
psst: chat logs can be doctored.
> Oh, I love the chat log about the bad teeth and how you can't afford a dentist.
>
> You have any more chat logs you like to mention, oh fetish one.
Got tons actually, windbag.
> Now what will anonymistress say about you being a bad pet?
I don't know, as she's not my Mistress.
> Since you have stolen her recording.
I paid her to produce that recording and she freely admits this. Is
there a reason you perpetually LIE about others? Of course, we know
someone's putting you up to this and by admitting it they kind of made
themselves liable for this type of conduct by you, now haven't they?
> and claimed as it your own,
I produced it and I own the rights to it. Sounds like mine!
> I wonder if any laws were broken. I wonder if anyone really cares. Maybe she won't call you Ray-Ray anymore.
Thanks for proving yourself a liar again.
Ready for RICO? It's coming....
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
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Subject: Re: Intimidation of Federal Witnesses.
From: amodern...@aol.com (A Modern Caveman)
Date: 13 Jul 2002 12:23:01 GMT
Message-ID: <20020713082301...@mb-fk.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
>> Like when you said your "wife was an attorney?"
>
> Since when was lying to you a federal offense?
There were threats of legal action to go with it. I'll let the courts
decide that matter, just in case you're a little inaccurate.
>> Look "Vance," I'm still here, still pointing out what a windbag you
are, and
>> still preparing that little RICO action which may have a female
friend or two
>> of yours wondering why they ever relied on you as a cyber-pitbull.
>
> Because he can chew you up and spit you out.
But he can't. All he's got is a mouth he apparently has been TOLD to
keep in check.
> What evidence do you have against him that would require a RICO investigation,
> anyway?
Wait for the filing.
>
> BTW, I thought he was a cyber-chinchilla, not pitbull...
He's a MOUTH.
>> Oh, but women RULE you "Vance," don't they?
>
> Since when is coming to the aid of a fried being ruled.
Making threats and invoking the name of said "Friend" is the essence
of RICO. The "Friend" even posted messages of approval. If it's all
the same, I'll see what the courts have to say.
> Oh wait, I guess you have to have friends to understand that, don't you?
My friends are true friends, not those I use to fight battles for me.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
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Subject: Contributor to hate website = CO-CONSPIRATOR.....
From: amodern...@aol.com (A Modern Caveman)
Date: 17 Jun 2002 11:47:59 GMT
Message-ID: <20020617074759...@mb-bk.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
......RICO.....
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
We would like to point out, yet again, that the words posted to usenet
by Gordon Roy Parker, are accurately, and directly quoted. How can
something he himself said be in any way considered a Hate Site against
him? It cant. We do not hate "Ray" or Gordon Roy Parker. We want him
to get help for his mental illness, so that he can contribute
productively, without threatening everyone in sight.
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This post doesn't mention RICO specifically, but it does show where
Gordon Roy thinks himself "judgment-proof".
Subject: Re: SUSAN GEIGER: Teach your man some MANNERS
From: winatb...@aol.com (Win At Betting)
Date: 15 Apr 2002 02:32:18 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
>> Don't know what you're talking about, sorry.
>>
>> I know who you are anyway, and this may be pissing you off, but too
damn
>> bad.
>
> Who I am is not who I am, in your mind at least. It would take a lot to piss
> me off, and you are not, quite frankly, up to the task. You, of all people,
> should know I can find many things on the web, not just in Usenet archives.
> It took all of 7 minutes searching last time to terrify you, and I didn't
> have to go offline like you admit doing. There is a lot more for the finding,
> so do you really want it found? If you ever rise to the point that I decide
> you deserve my full attention, I can assure you it will be an enlightening
> experience for you.
Too bad you don't realize how easily you give yourself away.
All you do by involving anyone in my area is open THEM up to lawsuits,
which of course would open you up to third-party lawsuits. Then again,
people who don't have an axe to grind or who who don't make a JOB out
of following me all over the internet don't care enough to implement
your agenda.
He also never considers just what I'd know about those third parties
you think are so eager to join you, but that's another matter.
If I had done something similar to what you had done, it would have
been cited as more "proof" of your agenda. If I do nothing, supposedly
I'm terrified and unable to. Nice little checkmate there, but it means
nothing.
The domain has a registrant which is called "The Conspiracy Network."
Since that contact is invalid, the BILLING contact becomes the "owner"
of the site, or at least is responsible for its content if he ignores
copyright warnings.
I used to think a rebuttal site would be a huge waste of my time, but
given the new stakes, I think the more posts I put up to show the real
story, the merrier.
I have several thousand of them archived and you seem to have
blindspots about many.
I also know which subpoena path to take to prove that you're full of
shit. I know who you are, which names you use, what you do, how, to
whom, who you work for, who your friends and enemies are, what your
reputation is in your home town, and what is inspiring you to behave
as you do.
It's why your online rambling and hot air is absolutely meaningless to
me. You are a MOUTH and very little more; a mouth that crosses lines,
but at the end of the day, still a mouth, a lost soul looking for a
cause and who thought he'd found one but found out when it was too
late to backpedal that you were sold a bill of goods by others who
were more than happy to let you take the fall for their conduct.
I have met every standard for journalism for what I will be putting on
my website. If you did some research on defamation law, you'd realize
just how immune that makes me, but if anyone wants to fork over $5-10
million in legal bills to attack someone who is judgment-proof,
capable of representing himself, and who would respond with
counterclaims out the wazoo, and spark an investigation of a few
hundred people, and be kind enough to move the fight to my
jurisdiction, I have only three words for you:
BE MY FUCKING GUEST.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
http://www.cybersheet.com