Need help! Virgin girl.
SneakyBastard
Problem: After heavy makeout session as I was about to do
the dirty do, it turns out she's a virgin (19 y/o) and that I cannot put it
in.
Now she says shes waiting for the ideal guy, to lose her viginity to....
She says she is not waiting for marriage! Just the right ideal guy....
What do I do? I did get a blowjob, we basically did almost
everything except for penetration.
What is the best pattern to use in this situation?
I heard few times about the Ideal Guy Pattern, but I wasnt able to
find any details info on it.
Any feedback would be more than appreciated!
Odious
SneakyBastard wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Problem: After heavy makeout session as I was about to do
> the dirty do, it turns out she's a virgin (19 y/o) and that I cannot put it
> in.
Ahhh 9 times out of 10 that's a damn lie. With one exception, every
chick who as ever pulled that line with me has been lying about her
virginity. Women have this amazing ability to rationalize away their
first sexual experiences, especially if they are not very good. "Oh he
doesn't count." Somehow not having good sex the first time is the same
as never having had sex at all.
Generally this is a chick version of a take away. She wants to see how
much you'll beg, and how far you'll go to get her pussy. I say this
because your description shows clearly that she is not opposed to sexual
behavior, she's just not letting you cross home plate.
> Now she says shes waiting for the ideal guy, to lose her viginity to....
> She says she is not waiting for marriage! Just the right ideal guy....
>
> What do I do? I did get a blowjob, we basically did almost
> everything except for penetration.
>
> What is the best pattern to use in this situation?
> I heard few times about the Ideal Guy Pattern, but I wasnt able to
> find any details info on it.
>
That's not how patterns work. It is not that X situation calls for Y
pattern to get Z result. Patterns you learn so that you can more
effectively communicate what you want to her in a way to which she will
be more receptive.
> Any feedback would be more than appreciated!
Here is what I would do, and have done, in similar situations. When the
girl plays the virgin card no amount of begging and trying and jumping
through hoops will work. The more you try, the more you run the risk of
being seen as only interested in sex or pressuring her... also once she
find out she can use her pussy to manipulate you, she'll never stop. The
harder you try, the more value she will see that you assign to her pussy,
and that's a lose lose situation. If she really is a virgin, you're
behavior will reinforce her idea that her hymen is some fantasic prize to
be protected from all but the best men... and how great can you be if
you're trying so hard for her's. Also, if she's not a virgin, the more
value she sees you put on her virginity, the less likely she'll be to let
you have it, because once you to... no more jumping through hoops for
her.
So first, what you do is devalue the pussy. You let her know you think
that virgin tail is overrated. A virgin doesn't have a clue what she's
doing, the sex is often bad, and if you're well-hung forget it... you'll
have to stop after every half stroke. I'm not saying sex with a virgin
isn't pleasurable, but compared to sex with an experienced chick who
knows what she's doing and what she likes, sex with a virgin is awkward,
uncomfortable, and often unfulfilling. Not only that, it is a lot of
work.
So, make it clear that you are in no rush to get to her pussy, because
sex with a virgin isn't that great. Be careful not to devalue her, but
rather to devalue the idea that having sex with a virgin is great sex.
It isn't. Before it gets good, you'll have to teach her how to fuck
well. Which brings me to my second point.
Now this is the important part...
When she says she is waiting for the right guy... what she means is she
is waiting for a guy who knows what he is doing. She doesn't want to go
for just any 3-pump chump who doesn't know any more about sex than she
does. Also, a guy who is not just interested in getting his dick in a
virgin, but rather in teaching her.
Sex with a virgin is not about getting yourself off... it is about
exploring her body with her... sort of holding her hand and showing her
around this new world of pleasure.
You're not having sex with her, you're introducing her to sex.
Show her that you can teach her, and that doing so is more of a treat for
her than you, and she will go for it.
Though, when she does, you'll have to deliver. I don't know what you may
have already said in trying to get in her panties or what your level of
experiences is.
SneakyBastard
>
> When she says she is waiting for the right guy... what she means is she
> is waiting for a guy who knows what he is doing. She doesn't want to go
> for just any 3-pump chump who doesn't know any more about sex than she
> does. Also, a guy who is not just interested in getting his dick in a
> virgin, but rather in teaching her.
No not at all, she knows what shes doing, her BJ are pretty professional :)
By the right guy she most probably means having the right kind
of emotional connection with the guy.... and thats why I need some patterns
to seduce her...
Odious
SneakyBastard wrote:
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> "Odious" <Odi...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > When she says she is waiting for the right guy... what she means is she
> > is waiting for a guy who knows what he is doing. She doesn't want to go
> > for just any 3-pump chump who doesn't know any more about sex than she
> > does. Also, a guy who is not just interested in getting his dick in a
> > virgin, but rather in teaching her.
>
> No not at all, she knows what shes doing, her BJ are pretty professional :)
>
Well she could be lying about being a virgin. However even if she's only
had a little experience, she's still going to want someone who has a
clue.
Also, knowing how to give a BJ, doesn't mean she knows her own body on
the same level or she knows how best to give herself pleasure during full
on sex.
> By the right guy she most probably means having the right kind
> of emotional connection with the guy.... and thats why I need some patterns
> to seduce her...
6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Taking on the roll of sexual
teacher will likely establish the kind of emotional connection she is
looking for. You can supplement it with pattern work, but the bottom
line is you need to approach sex from a different angle than she is used
to. The straight run down the middle won't work.