I'm f-cking done
archiv...@nobs.com
A classic look into the mind of a
certifiable lunatic, from last January...
From: iteachh...@aol.come4menow (Ray Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.sports
Date: 16 Jan 2001 03:46:24 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: That's It I'm Leaving (For GOOD)
Is everyone happy? They've finally WON.
I sit here, contemplating why I even BOTHER living on this planet
(funny because we often wonder the same thing about you), thinking I'd
be better off ending my life than tolerating this one, knowing DAMN well what
happened out here the last five years, watching people tell one big LIE after
another about me, neglecting to mention A LOT of truths which would shed proper
light on the matter, never mentioning the political motivations people have for
attacking me: gymnasts and their fans because I see the truth about USAG;
people in alt.romance because I see the truth about women; people on
rec.gambling.sports because I get in the way of their little scam games getting
money out of desperate gamblers; people on alt.seduction.fast because they
can't stand someone who sees through their hollow methods
For the past six years I have watched a cabal amass against me, unchecked by
ISPs which are immune and which don't want it publicized that hackers have the
run of their system, or how fragile people's privacy really is out here, and
who cave into the volume of complaints from people with ulterior motives and
louder mouths, again with full knowledge of what REALLY goes on out here, but
with an incredible burden of time and expense to bother proving it, something
that cannot be done out here.
My desire to end my life -- one I have no plan of acting on lest anyone think
I'm in any imminent danger -- is based on ONE thing: in the NEXT life, lies
don't cut it. God knows all truths, and is not fooled by ANYONE, and yes, that
includes ME!! I know what's in my heart, I know what I have seen and
documented, and I know what is really going on, as do many of you.
A person would have to be a fool to want to exist on a planet which allows evil (Ray?)
to thrive like this, and to have to deal with an internet which is totally
unregulated and run by criminals, both in the ISP and user categories. I have
watched lie after lie about me told (and vice-versa), including that I am jobless,
a welfare bum, that I have made death threats against children (you have), that
I am a pedophile (by definition - you are), a child molster, a hacker, and probably
a dozen more (alleged) lies which I can't even remember (make up) right now.
I have seen the people who have either made or witnessed these remarks act as if
my responses were unprovoked, and can think only to how God sees both sides,
knows what has happened, and is sitting in wait to pass proper judgment on
everyone involved (especially Ray the LIAR).
I see a SICK society that thinks it can put one over on God, that there is no
retribution in the next life, no accountability, and no need to fight for
justice in this one. In the next life, I see a God who will set everyone
straight and to whom their cries (including Ray's) will fall on deaf ears.
I can already hear people celebrating my exit (from USENET, that is), and
frankly I do not care anymore.
The people who drove me off here are not the ones who bother me, but
the spectators who say "good decision" are. It is those smug little assholes
for whom God's punishment will be the worst: the ones who could have spoken up,
could have said something, but whose silence only cemented the false impression
that the liars were willing to create.
(edit note: I wonder what God will do regarding this Ray quote:
> "A bunch of *ASSHOLE* New Yorkers died...don't grieve.
> No significant loss of life in those Towers....NOT A ONE."
If anyone thinks censorship by harassment and bullying, as well as terrorism
and extortion, is something to celebrate, let them. (see above quote)
All I can say is that God is watching and throwing up at the sight of people
who stand by and do nothing when a lynching is taking place (or when some
asshole makes the above assinine statement)
Contrary to popular belief, I have a life, a job, yet I do not share my successes,
and recently there have been many, with anyone, out of fear that if it were
known to others that the cabal would move its harassment of me offline to
propogate its lies into my daily life. (His dimentia grows worse) As
those who are aware of what has happened to me out here have already accepted
me, I have never felt it necessary to tell everyone I come into contact with a
pile of lies and distortions which has accumulated against me over the years,
or that any negative behavior on my part was almost entirely provoked by this
horrid campaign. (ah yes, the expected "blame others for YOUR faults" routine)
For my own well-being, I am in the process of systematically listing the names
of everyone I consider responsible for this, in order, with specific references
to their specific actions which have caused me to feel that way, and am locking
the document away in a safe place. Such is my right as this is a free country.
(but it's not our right in this SAME free country to call a LIAR a LIAR?)
That people would care enough to monitor how long it took me to return here or
whether or not I did, or cite some kind of problem if I did return, is so
sickening that it defies description. (that Ray would write all this dimentia
and return anyway is even more sickening) I am very confident that if I were ever
to end my life, and that all truths were known to OBJECTIVE observers, that
they would not blame my decision for one moment, and would cast a very negative
eye on those who continued to harass me, defame me, threaten me, and to do so
in the most cowardly fashion possible -- online, behind anonymous posting
identities, and in a group of dozens or even hundreds ganged up against ONE
PERSON.
(So says the nice, honest, innocent, wonderful guy who stated:
> "A bunch of *ASSHOLE* New Yorkers died...don't grieve.
> No significant loss of life in those Towers....NOT A ONE."
A world that treats me in the manner in which I have been treated and then has
the GALL to blame me when ignoring the true cause is not a world I get any joy
from living in. (we agree that you should leave for your own good) A world
which says that I could have avoided this problem simply by censoring my own
free speech (meaning Ray's lies, half-truths, gloating, threats, ridicule, etc)
fails to acknoweldge that this creates an even larger problem in that people
are no longer free to speak their minds, and I'm talking about simple truths
like discrimination, child abuse ingymnastics, hypnosis abuse, or that men who
practice speed seduction may be doing something wrong.
They say silence speaks volumes. Well then, listen to mine, because it's going
to get LOUDER and LOUDER as more and more time passes and you realize that I'm
really not coming back this time.
(another RAY GORDON lie...in a looooooong list of RAY GORDON lies)
Should I get any more depressed, maybe one day I'll say that to the entire world
and just leave the planet altogether, and then people can talk about how they
had nothing to do with it and how sorry they felt. (hard to feel sorry for a
proven liar, scammer, and usenet asshole, especially after this quote:
> "A bunch of *ASSHOLE* New Yorkers died...don't grieve.
> No significant loss of life in those Towers....NOT A ONE."
I open this side of myself as a warning to those who think the internet allows
them to speak freely: it does not. It is nothing more than a grade-school
popularity contest where popularity trumps truth, bullying trumps justice, and
where people like to tell others what information out here is good and bad,
without regard to its intrinsic quality or that those doing the "informing" may
not know themselves what is correct (and especially RAY MORON, TOUT FRAUD).
I leave this cesspool to all of you so that you can blame someone else the next
time a flame war breaks out, or the next time someone says something I have
already said, with a stern warning that anyone who accuses someone of being me
without absolute proof and who tries to pick open this wound will be damaging
and harming me with a lie.
As I have said before when I left, there will be NO forgiveness unless those
who are withholding information which would shed proper light on this come
clean with that information to me privately (hey, everyone has my contact
information so they know what to do), but not anonymously.....don't tell me
you're on my side or tell me anything you aren't willing to tell the whole
world. I already know the truth and hearing it from someone who wants to clear
their conscience and tell me but who lacks the courage to go public is no
friend of mine and needs to find another way to feel better about themselves.
Failure to speak up might just cause a suicide sometime down the road, you
never know......as of now I plod along, but barely.......if you want that on
your conscience, be my guest, but hey who has a conscience anymore.
Blame me all you want, frankly I do not care. (you're to blame anyway)
God has the truth (you're to blame), I have it (dimentia/psychosis may be
preventing you from accepting that you are to blame),and some of you have it
(yes, we know you are to blame too). When people are done attacking this post
that truth will surface somehow, someway. (yep, the facts are already partly
in evidence and they indicate YOU are to blame for the problems you are now
whining about) Again, it's not my concern. I've fought this crap longer than
any reasonable human being can be expected to (that's only because *YOU* have
CREATED this crap longer than any human could be expected to), and for my
efforts I have had nothing but people attempting to destroy me. (dimentia)
If it's too much to ask to rebuild the good parts of my life in peace, I can
exit the planet at any time. I'd suggest no one fuck with me from this point
forward.
Ray Gordon, Net LEGEND (and usenet asshole who supports terrorism)
http://www.cybersheet.com (The Caveman News!)
http://www.cybersheet.com/sportpix.html (Revolution)
http://www.cybersheet.com/hypno/index.html (Hypnosis)
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html (Seduction Library)
AliensWantMe
>
> A classic look into the mind of a
> certifiable lunatic, from last January...
>
>
> From: iteachh...@aol.come4menow (Ray Gordon)
> Newsgroups: rec.gambling.sports
> Date: 16 Jan 2001 03:46:24 GMT
> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
>
> Subject: That's It I'm Leaving (For GOOD)
exceptions.
Mark Lewis
I have never seen this before. Any of the postings I have seen from
Ray have been quite reasonable explanations of his position.
I have not seen the extreme ones yet.
It looks like this is one of them. Even if it is an old one I don't
like the look of it.
This is obviously someone under stress if I am reading it right and it
really is from Ray. I know that there are all sorts of strange hoaxes
that go on in newsgroups.
If it really is what it seems to be I think as an objective person who
has just showed up here and not been involved in all the fun I should
give my opinion.
It seems rather obvious to me that you should cut him some slack.I
really believe it is time to leave him alone.
I find his posting to be quite sad. Leave him be. Even if he has upset
you, show forgiveness. He is a child of the universe, just like all of
us.
Compassion. It looks like he needs it more than we do. Give him it as
a Xmas gift. It IS Xmas, you know.
I get the impression that we are all like a bunch of school bullies
here that is ganging up on a kid that seems a bit "different"
This is not really a matter of believing that stage hypnotists do harm
or not.
I don't think this business with Ray is really about that. It's about
our own weaknesses and egos. Human weakness. Rays and ours.
If he wants to rant and rave at you, let him. Do not answer back. Do
not take it personally. I believe it is not you he is really angry
at.It is the world. It can be pretty rough sometimes.
We often think that we are going to shake the world until the world
shakes us.
I think the world has shaken Ray. I don't think we should contribute
to the shaking.
I find his posting sad. Not something to ridicule. Who among us is
perfect? I am going to go biblical now even though I am an atheistic
heathen. "Judge not that ye be not judged".
Leave him alone. It is the decent thing to do. Put his abuse and
threats aside.
"To know all is to forgive all"
Let him be. It's Xmas.
I hope he has a happy one. I really do.
Mark Lewis
Br...@interbaun.com
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Well, then that's the problem.
Respectfully, you lack the full perspective to make an INFORMED
opinion.
This being is despised on *SEVERAL* different newsgroups.
> It looks like this is one of them. Even if it is an old one I don't
> like the look of it.
> This is obviously someone under stress if I am reading it right and it
> really is from Ray. I know that there are all sorts of strange hoaxes
> that go on in newsgroups.
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Check the Google archives.
Yes, it really was posted by Ray.
> If it really is what it seems to be I think as an objective person who
> has just showed up here and not been involved in all the fun I should
> give my opinion.
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You're free to do so...no problem here.
However, it should be understood from your opening
statment that you are not giving an INFORMED opinion...
>
> It seems rather obvious to me that you should cut him some slack.I
> really believe it is time to leave him alone.
> I find his posting to be quite sad. Leave him be. Even if he has upset
> you, show forgiveness. He is a child of the universe, just like all of
> us.
> Compassion. It looks like he needs it more than we do. Give him it as
> a Xmas gift. It IS Xmas, you know.
> I get the impression that we are all like a bunch of school bullies
> here that is ganging up on a kid that seems a bit "different"
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Well, from your UNinformed position, that may look that way,
but once you've acquainted yourself with his crap, it will
appaer more like the Ameriucan amred forces "ganging up on"
Osama Bin Laden.....I kid you not....he is THAT despised and
for very GOOD reasons!
> I don't think this business with Ray is really about that. It's about
> our own weaknesses and egos. Human weakness. Rays and ours.
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No, it's about a usenet aszhole - despised FOR *YEARS* on
several newsgroups *because* he is an aszhole....THis is only ONE
of the hundreds of reasons over the years on DIFFERENT newsgroups
and chat rooms which give reason to despise this aszhole:
> "A bunch of *ASSHOLE* New Yorkers died...don't grieve.
> No significant loss of life in those Towers....NOT A ONE."
> If he wants to rant and rave at you, let him. Do not answer back. Do
> not take it personally. I believe it is not you he is really angry
> at.It is the world. It can be pretty rough sometimes.
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YOU let him, if that's what YOU choose.
Each of us will decide for ourselves as it pertains to US.
> Let him be. It's Xmas.
> I hope he has a happy one. I really do.
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I wish upon him the same he wishes upon me.
That should be fair by any standard...
Victoria
> > > No significant loss of life in those Towers....NOT A ONE."
the 37 Port Authority Police Officers who died in the line of duty in
order to save INNOCENT people. Yeah, a real asshole huh. :-(
Victoria
Bushay
idiot does not represent how the rest of us feel here. He's a loser who
feeds off the grieving of others. No one in their right mind says things
like this. God bless you.
longshotjohn7
>>>>>http://www.geocities.com/ptypes/schizotypal.html#sullivan
>>Harry Stack Sullivan
Patrick Mullahy devotes a chapter in Oedipus: myth and complex to the
theories of Harry Stack Sullivan, an enigmatic and eccentric psychiatrist
and psychoanalyst:
The writer in some ways most difficult to understand of the several
psychiatrists and psychoanalysts we discuss is Harry Stack Sullivan. There
are many reasons for this. Sullivan is not, as a reviewer put it, one of the
writing psychoanalysts who can write a book "between patients." He has
written little; his language is highly technical, and his thought, as a
rule, very complicated, subtle and highly compressed. (Mullahy, pg. 279)
Mullahy on some of Sullivan's ideas:
Anxiety
The process of becoming a human being, for Sullivan, is synonymous with the
process of acculturation or socialization, the need for security arises from
the fact that every person undergoes this process of acculturation which
begins at birth. From the very beginning of life in this world, everyone, at
first through "empathy," which we discuss below, is made to feel some of the
effects of the culture by the attitudes of the significant person or persons
who take care of him: mother, nurse, or their surrogates. The attitudes of
those who take care of the child are themselves socially conditioned.
Because of empathy, long before the infant can understand what is happening,
he experiences something of the attitudes of the significant people around
him. Later he is deliberately taught what is right and wrong, "good" and
"bad." In this way, the impulses, the biological strivings of the infant are
socially "conditioned," that is, moulded, both as to form of expression and
fulfillment, according to the culturally approved patterns. As we shall see,
because of the experiences of approval and disapproval from the parents or
their surrogates, the achievement of satisfactions according to the
culturally "correct" or approved patterns causes a profound feeling of
well-being, of good feeling, of security. When for certain reasons, the felt
needs of a person, the biological strivings, cannot be fulfilled according
to culturally approved patterns, which he learned in early life, he feels
intense and painful uneasiness and discomfort, insecurity, or anxiety.
(Mullahy, pp. 281-282)
The Power Motive
Even more important and logically more fundamental than the impulses
resulting from a feeling of hunger or thirst is the "power motive," the
impulse to obtain and maintain a feeling of ability. To be able to obtain
satisfactions and security is to have power in interpersonal relations; not
to be able to do so is to be powerless, helpless. According to Sullivan, the
development of actions, thoughts, foresights, etc., which are "calculated"
to protect one from insecurity, is based on and springs from the
disappointments and frustrations of early infancy. When one achieves power
or ability in interpersonal relations, one respects oneself and therefore
others. While the attitude toward the self is first determined by the
attitude of those who take care of the child, his subsequent attitude toward
others is determined by the attitude he has toward himself. "If there is a
valid and real attitude toward the self, that attitude will manifest as
valid and real toward others." (Mullahy, pg. 285)
Hall and Lindzey on Sullivan's:
Parataxic Thinking
The parataxic mode of thinking consists of seeing causal relationship
between events that occur at about the same time but which are not logically
related. The eminent Czech writer, Franz Kafka, portrays an interesting case
of parataxic thinking in one of his short stories...
Sullivan believes that much of our thinking does not advance beyond the
level of parataxis; that we see causal connections between experiences that
have nothing to do with one another. All superstitions, for instance, are
examples of parataxic thinking. (Hall & Lindzey, pp. 140-141)
Mullahy, Patrick. Oedipus: myth and complex; a review of psychoanalytic
theory. New York: Grove, 1948.
Hall, Calvin S. and Gardner Lindzey. Theories
http://www.haverford.edu/psych/ddavis/sullivan.html#mullahy
>>>modes of experience
>>Prototaxic
"All experience occurs in one or more of three 'modes'-the prototaxic,
parataxic, and syntaxic. As the Greek roots of this horrendous term
indicate, the prototaxic mode refers to the first kind of experience the
infant has and the order or arrangement in which it occurs. . . . According
to Sullivan's hypothesis all that the infant "knows" are momentary states,
the distinction of before and after being a later acquirement. The infant
vaguely feels or 'prehends' earlier and later states without realizing any
serial connection between them. . . .He has no awareness of himself as an
entity separate from the rest of the world. In other words, his felt
experience is all of a piece, undifferentiated, without definite limits. It
is as if his experiences were 'cosmic'. . . .
Parataxic
"As the infant develops and maturation proceeds, the original
undifferentiated wholeness of experience is broken. However, the 'parts,'
the diverse aspects, the various kinds of experience are not related or
connected in a logical fashion. They 'just happen' together, or they do not,
depending on circumstances. In other words, various experiences are felt as
concomitant, not recognized as connected in an orderly way. The child cannot
yet relate them to one another or make logical distinctions among them. What
is experienced is assumed to be the 'natural' way of such occurrences,
without reflection and comparison. Since no connections or relations are
established, there is no logical movement of 'thought' from one idea to the
next. The parataxic mode is not a step by step process. Experience is
undergone as momentary, unconnected states of being.
Syntaxic
". . . The child gradually learns the 'consensually validated' meaning of
language - in the widest sense of language. These meanings have been
acquired from group activities, interpersonal activities, social experience.
Consensually validated symbol activity involves an appeal to principles
which are accepted as true by the hearer. And when this happens, the
youngster has acquired or learned the syntaxic mode of experience."
(Mullahy, 1948, pp. 286-291)
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and again from >>
http://www.geocities.com/ptypes/schizotypal.html#sullivan
>>Other web pages on Sullivan:
Harry Stack Sullivan - Brent Dean Robbins. [via Google]
>>Sullivan's work also had a profound impact on contemporary psychologists
such as R.D. Laing and Timothy Leary. Sullivan's theory, as evidenced in
Laing's work, is particularly well-suited for integration with
existential-phenomenological and humanistic orientations in the theory and
practice of psychotherapy
________
Mark,
Sullivan had a unique way to communicate with his patients. He is
reported to be the only Dr. who could relate with some one tripped out
...not just communicate but actually understand. Of course this was before
the time of lsd. And lsd reportedly mimics the state the hallucinating
patient finds himself in. I think Ray needs about 1200 mic's of lsd or see
Sullivan (deceased)--but he could read his works instead.
This poster you write about is spinning his wheels in the parataxic
thing.......
but hey, as they say (Moody Blues)----Timothy Leary's dead.........
--
longshotjohn7 h.g
There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
mark twain
"Mark Lewis" <mar...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Mark Lewis
Please do not be rude to me. I am a psychic reverend. It cost me $30
to be ordained.
Please do not swear. I have led a sheltered life and do not approve of
bad language.
Please do not call me uninformed. I am Mark Lewis. I know everything.
And now to answer you, my son.
No, it is not fair. Since it is Xmas I am going to go all biblical.
Jesus said "forgive seventy times seven". I am not suggesting that you
do that. Seventy seven is rather a large number and I do suspect you
were educated in the United States. I am merely suggesting that you
forgive Ray once.
Jesus said "turn the other cheek". This is not always an easy thing to
do but in this case I do believe it is warranted. In fact it is rather
obvious that it is warranted.
I don't care what nonsense Ray spouted about the World Trade Centre.
You may be quoting him out of context, for all I know. But I don't
care if you are not.
His offensive statements rather bolster my case for compassion not
detract from
it.
Nobody that is thinking straight makes a statement like that. It is
obvious to me that he is not in a normal frame of mind. And you don't
have to be "informed"
to see that. It is pretty obvious that the man is under stress. I
don't care who he has threatened or abused.It is just a sign that he
is under strain. He is sick.
I'm going to go all biblical again. "To know all is to forgive all".
You certainly seem to be a bit of a know all. It's time you developed
the forgiving part.
Who knows what lays behind Ray's anger? Maybe he has suffered in ways
that you do not know? A wise man looks beyond surface impressions.I
have trained myself to do that. I don't always see things in black or
white. There are little shades of grey sometimes.
If a drunk homeless person is shouting at you and abusing you in the
street you avoid him, say a silent prayer of thanks that you are not
in the same position and move on.
You don't kick and abuse him back because you know that it will only
make him worse. You ignore him and get away.
That is what you should all do with Ray. Nobody forces you to answer
him. Nobody forces you to even look at his postings.
If he is so angry at the world that he abuses the people that died in
the World Trade Centre that is a sign that he is not well. It is a
sign of frustration and anger. Offensive, sure. But the facts are the
facts. Instead of using the word "uninformed" about me you should
substitute the word "unbiased"
I simply see a sick angry man who should be left alone. You should
probably pray for him. I don't believe in God or Jesus. I am a fake
reverend.
But even as a fake, it seems to me that you should ponder "what would
Jesus do about him?"
If you can't pray for him and you can't forgive him, then at least let
him be.
I am quite happy to go against the trend. I am quite happy to have
people here shouting and screaming at me for defending this poor
fellow. I am quite capable of defending myself, so be careful if you
decide to go that route.
It seems rather obvious to me that you are feeding him the oxygen he
needs by even taking notice of him.
Put him in your kill files, pray for him and forget about him. It is
unbelievable to me that this nonsense has been going on for so long.
Can't you all find the will power to just ignore him? Are you really
letting a sick, unhappy man control you like this? It seems that you
are all dancing to his tune.
The exteemed Lee says it is his hobby. I think stamp collecting might
be less cruel. This reminds of the time when I used to pull the wings
off flies after I captured them. Nasty. Still, I was 9 years old. I
had an excuse.
Reverend Mark Lewis
Free Spiritualist Church of Canada.
Mark Lewis
I am just a lowly stage hypnotist.I am not a psychiatrist,
psychologist or even a hypnotherapist.
I can tell you how to hypnotise a crocodile, though. Any good to you?
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Mark Lewis
Lee Darrow
Your cousin was a bona fide HERO. Remember him proudly and do not let
the slings and arrows of our problem child in this newsgroup
(alt.hypnosis) lead you to believe that he is the be-all and end-all
or that he speaks for anyone but himself.
Ray speaks for himself and has been roundly shouted down on line in
here for his comments on the disaster and its concommitant tragedies.
For all the good that's done. He is a recurring problem of the social
kind. Many have asked him to leave, many have demanded he leave. He
has not, even after promising that he was going away for good.
He has NO credibility in my eyes, nor in the eyes of the majority of
the members, judging from the number of posts that say so. Please do
not judge the rest of us on his posts.
My sincerest condolances on your loss, to you and your family.
In Sympathy,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
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Lee Darrow
Your cousin was a bona fide HERO. Remember him proudly and do not let
the slings and arrows of our problem child in this newsgroup
(alt.hypnosis) lead you to believe that he is the be-all and end-all
or that he speaks for anyone but himself.
Ray speaks for himself and has been roundly shouted down on line in
here for his comments on the disaster and its concommitant tragedies.
For all the good that's done. He is a recurring problem of the social
kind. Many have asked him to leave, many have demanded he leave. He
has not, even after promising that he was going away for good.
He has NO credibility in my eyes, nor in the eyes of the majority of
the members, judging from the number of posts that say so. Please do
not judge the rest of us on his posts.
My sincerest condolances on your loss, to you and your family.
In Sympathy,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
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