Yes, SS works. Question for Ross?
Esoteric
seems we are divided between Ross Jeffries methods and other non-SS
methods.
I'm not terribly experienced with SS, but I can honestly say that, so
far on my journey, what Ross teaches works. I've gotten females into
wonderful states simply by using the "patterns" Ross teaches, and some
tonality. I've only read his old newsletters from his site (I don't
have his home study course) and had the now discontinued Bishop's
Journal.
Since I'm a beginner, I haven't gotten laid using the technology (not
yet--- be patient and I'll keep you posted), but everything that Ross
lays out in his teachings have popped up at one time or another, i.e.
the "doggie dinner bowl look." It was actually quite exciting to see
the look Ross described accurately forming on the face of a hottie I
was "sarging" (Ross' word for using SS).
At the risk of imposing or sounding off-base, I can tell you that
Ross' Speed Seduction really does seem to work (so far). Remember, I'm
a beginner to this and have yet to get to more advanced stages. So
we'll have to see...
The only qualms I have with it are it doesn't feel natural to me, but
I am told that this soon passes, like wearing into a new pair of
shoes.
Besides, getting those "doggie" looks is actually very inspiring!
I'm looking forward to the other results promised in Ross' teachings.
Ross? Do you have any spare Home Study Courses you are thinking of
trashing? I'd love to get my hands on one... no money! :-)
I'll keep you posted of any successes.
Esoteric
P.S. I'm not into any flame wars or petty, childish insults. Any posts loaded with hate, wordy violence or flaming will be ignored.
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>seems we are divided between Ross Jeffries methods and other non-SS
>methods.
>
>I'm not terribly experienced with SS, but I can honestly say that, so
>far on my journey, what Ross teaches works. I've gotten females into
>wonderful states simply by using the "patterns" Ross teaches, and some
>tonality. I've only read his old newsletters from his site (I don't
>have his home study course) and had the now discontinued Bishop's
>Journal.
So tell me, do the women KNOW about what's producing these "wonderful states?"
>
>Since I'm a beginner, I haven't gotten laid using the technology (not
>yet--- be patient and I'll keep you posted), but everything that Ross
>lays out in his teachings have popped up at one time or another, i.e.
>the "doggie dinner bowl look." It was actually quite exciting to see
>the look Ross described accurately forming on the face of a hottie I
>was "sarging" (Ross' word for using SS).
And you didn't lay her?
Remember, if another guy tells her what you are doing, the spell is broken.
What do you do then?
You might see a different look on her face if she learns what your game is, and
it won't be a doggie-dinner-bowl either.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
http://www.cybersheet.com
Esoteric
What do you mean do they "know" what's producing the states? I assume
not... but if they do, then all the more power to them. Let them enjoy
what's going on.
No, I didn't lay that hottie I sarged. I'm just starting out, as I've
said.
I'm not sure I understand the "what if a guy tells her" thing... it
sounds like you think I'm trying to manipulate the girl. If I felt
like I was manipulating her, I wouldn't have started using this stuff.
Sounds like you think this stuff is bad... why?
Respectfully,
Esoteric
On 21 Apr 2002 21:04:50 GMT, winatb...@aol.com (Win At Betting)
wrote:
P.S. I'm not into any flame wars or petty, childish insults. Any posts loaded with hate, wordy violence or flaming will be ignored.
Mirak
"Win At Betting" <winatb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020421170450...@mb-mm.aol.com...
Why don't consider SS as a way for the men to learn how to be more
expressive and express their feelings.
Women often reproach to men to not express their feelings, maybe it's
because they want to feel that states, what do you think of that point ?
(please don't say it's stupid, it's just a point of view :) ).
Win At Betting
>
>What do you mean do they "know" what's producing the states? I assume
>not... but if they do, then all the more power to them. Let them enjoy
>what's going on.
They wouldn't enjoy it if they knew why the guy was doing it.
>
>No, I didn't lay that hottie I sarged. I'm just starting out, as I've
>said.
>
>I'm not sure I understand the "what if a guy tells her" thing... it
>sounds like you think I'm trying to manipulate the girl. If I felt
>like I was manipulating her, I wouldn't have started using this stuff.
If you aren't manipulating her, then you won't mind someone schooling her on
what you're doing, correct?
>Sounds like you think this stuff is bad... why?
I think it's vulnerable to attack from rival males who can say "THIS is what
he's doing to you" and then point her at the websites.
How would you handle that?
Win At Betting
>is, and
>> it won't be a doggie-dinner-bowl either.
>
>Why don't consider SS as a way for the men to learn how to be more
>expressive and express their feelings.
They are not expressing their TRUE feelings are they?
Their TRUE feelings for the woman are "You're hot, I want to fuck you, and I
want to put you into a trance so you'll want to fuck me."
The STATED feelings are a misdirection.
>Women often reproach to men to not express their feelings, maybe it's
>because they want to feel that states, what do you think of that point ?
Tell a woman what you're doing if you use NLP on her then and see how she
reacts.
>(please don't say it's stupid, it's just a point of view :) ).
I think it's oversold. It's not that difficult to learn, and men who do it are
nothing special. If women like NLP so much, they could choose a man and THEN
let him learn it to please her.
Esoteric
I'm manipulating her. And if she finds out what I'm doing, then great,
I'll be open about it. I have nothing to hide.
Respectfully,
Esoteric
On 22 Apr 2002 02:27:22 GMT, winatb...@aol.com (Win At Betting)
wrote:
>>Hi-
P.S. I'm not into any flame wars or petty, childish insults. Any posts loaded with hate, wordy violence or flaming will be ignored.
Darius
>what you're doing, correct?
>
newsgroup (as I understand it) is to discuss how to get in a woman's
pants by seducing her, and seduction = manipulation. If you've got a
problem with this, then why are you here?
Win At Betting
>I'm manipulating her. And if she finds out what I'm doing, then great,
>I'll be open about it. I have nothing to hide.
Not even the websites?
Win At Betting
Showing men that anti-player methods (which are the core of my advanced method)
are stronger than the stuff you see here.
Let me talk 15-20 minutes with women you seduce with these methods and they'd
be easier for you to seduce if they were wearing a chastity belt.
Surely you understand that men who want the same women you want won't think
twice about ratting you out to the women to score points with those women. The
women are very thankful for the warnings about how these methods work. I've
gotten several dates using that tactic alone (spending an evening together
making her "player-immune" usually when she is sick of being used for sex).
A player only makes her feel good while she's in denial, and even then only
until he moves on. Women want more than confusion and abandonment, they want
to FEEL GOOD, but they also want to FEEL GOOD for more than a night, a weekend,
or a few weeks.
Real men are built to last. The wannabes on this group are not.
Mirak
> >Hmmm. We'll have to see. I'm new to this, but so far I don't feel like
> >I'm manipulating her. And if she finds out what I'm doing, then great,
> >I'll be open about it. I have nothing to hide.
>
> Not even the websites?
Girls have website that they prefer men not see ...
Alex
winatb...@aol.com wrote on 4/22/02 3:43 AM:
> Surely you understand that men who want the same women you want won't think
> twice about ratting you out to the women to score points with those women.
> The women are very thankful for the warnings about how these methods work.
This is really funny.
I've actually pulled men off of women. One was an American woman in a crowd
in Florence, Italy, where she was screaming at the guy to get off her and go
away. The other was a woman whose boyfriend was pulling her down the street
by her hair in New York.
Under the Ray theory of the world, you'd think they'd have been "very
thankful."
However, here in reality, neither of them were. In fact, both were downright
rude and hostile about it.
I can only imagine how rude and hostile a real woman would be to someone
like Ray who kept butting in while some other guy was making her feel good.
Win At Betting
>> >I'm manipulating her. And if she finds out what I'm doing, then great,
>> >I'll be open about it. I have nothing to hide.
>>
>> Not even the websites?
>
>Girls have website that they prefer men not see ...
But men don't hold out the idea that women aren't like that.
Women think men either aren't like ASF, or if they are, they can be CHANGED.
The woman who rewards an ASF man is leaving herself wide open for major damage
to her reputation with the nice guys who say they're going to be like ASF men
if that's what women want.
Women want ASF when they have the AFC in their pocket. It's not as much FUN
for them to lose long-term, reliable resources because they scattered off for a
few minutes with some idiot player.
Win At Betting
>> twice about ratting you out to the women to score points with those women.
>> The women are very thankful for the warnings about how these methods work.
>
>
>This is really funny.
>
>I've actually pulled men off of women. One was an American woman in a crowd
>in Florence, Italy, where she was screaming at the guy to get off her and go
>away.
I don't do Springer.
>The other was a woman whose boyfriend was pulling her down the street
>by her hair in New York.
So?
>Under the Ray theory of the world, you'd think they'd have been "very
>thankful."
No, these women are SICK creatures
>
>However, here in reality, neither of them were. In fact, both were downright
>rude and hostile about it.
Because if they defended your actions they'd get beaten WORSE after you left.
DUH.
Some of these women can't AFFORD to move or they fear being KILLED if they do.
The one major appeal of an ASF man is that he doesn't care enough to abuse her
or stalk her, but also not enough to "protect" her because he's not going to
let her put him at that kind of risk.
>I can only imagine how rude and hostile a real woman would be to someone
>like Ray who kept butting in while some other guy was making her feel good.
So you get to be slick and I don't? Nice how you paint me as being hostile
about it. I wouldn't do that at all.
More like this: I take her to a bar "as friends." This is after we've known
each other several months (during which she was my pivot). I want to enjoy
some good, quality time with my pivot (who is like half a girlfriend and she's
getting me laid with other women), but this time MYSTERY shows up and steals
the show.
I let her know it's time to tune out the Mystery show and return to me, because
I'm going to be around a lot longer than him. If she refuses and taunts me
while Mystery eggs her on, she LOSES me. Not rudely, I just get up and move on
to another part of the bar. She figures okay and we'll patch it up later.
Let's make me an LJBF who is salvaging the pivot here, and she thinks she has
the upper hand. Now let's say I've fulfilled some of her needs for knowledge,
conversation, whatever.
She's a 9.9, but Mystery sees her as a 9.895 and there's a 9.897 across the
room, so he was just using my pivot to pawn his way up the 0.002. Now my pivot
is thrown back to the wolves (she doesn't want the attention of other guys),
she's lost Mystery (she never had him except as his prop), and now she's lost
ME. The guy she calls when she needs to open her heart, etc.
I don't have to be rude about it, I just STOP TALKING TO HER. She asks why I
say "Because you responded to HIM." If she insults me I say "fine, whatever
you think, just don't talk to me again," not like I'm hurt, but like I've made
up my mind and she cannot possibly change it (guess how far she'll go to change
it?).
Next time whatever need I'd been meeting for her pops up, I'm not there. Now
she has to flirt/negotiate with a bunch of wolves to replace me, and all
because she got 15 minutes of ego-candy from a player. Do you have any idea
how vulnerable this makes her?
I show her "the websites" and show how she's just PROVEN she's more or less a
party girl, and since every other guy in the world is getting a chance with
her, and I didn't, I figure she didn't like me very much and don't budge. I
ignore her further, tell other women about what a shit she was, the other women
try to change my point of view, they become pivots, and the original woman is
frothing at the mouth.
At that point I have total sexual control.
The only problem is that now I don't get to this point because I don't let
women LJBF me in the first place, and I start off with them assuming they are
like the website sluts you guys seduce, and put the burden on them to prove
they aren't. The first time they say "no" to me is the last time they talk to
me. No matter how much they prove themselves, for how long, or how often, they
don't gain my trust. EVER.
This is why I have no respect for you or for Eddie Z. You think your women
have changed from the creatures who required these games in the first place?
Get real. Whatever it was that caused you to have to use these methods to get
these women will come into play again, as it's just a matter of time.
With the women I deal with, the rules are simple:
be young
be incredibly hot
be available
do whatever I say
she says no, she's GONE. If I talk to her after that point, it's "strictly
business" and I get $50 an hour for my time. If she doesn't want to pay that,
and I need a pivot, she can hang out with me for five hours and help me get
laid.
I'm not going to walk through the clubs like a dog at a restaurant dumpster who
hasn't had a meal in six days. That's a loss of dignity. I keep the option to
be alone, I don't deal with women except under the most favorable of
circumstances (i.e., they have approached me, and every attempt to repel them
has failed, and they never say no to me), and build a circle of gorgeous,
young, obedient, and TRAINED women who know if they give me even minor shit
they need not come back, with no second chances.
Guys here who face shit tests have to give a woman that second chance. Right
there they get knocked down from ALPHA (one chance and one chance only) to BETA
(two chances). All you get if you give a woman two chances is a guarantee of
having one pile of shit thrown in your face after the first chance, and a
second pile of shit after the second.
Mirak
So what ? They choose to do it, it's their own responsibility, not the
responsibility of the ******player****** (****just the guy who want have
fun sex without engagement, like many girls wants too****)
Honestly, when I read topics on ASF forum, there is not as much bastard etc
as you say or think there is.
It's true that ASF advices can be interpreted like be a bastard with girls,
and can make think that it's the way, but I think it's more like STOP to be
a nice AFC boy and don't feel guity to use your balls. (in both meaning of
the term).
This is the main message of asf or the way I interpret it like many others,
even if some guy will interpret it badly.
I am not sure that the purpose of this forum is to make SUFFER girls. (And
it's only related to the forum, not you of course).
Russel M.
Has he -ever- met a real woman?
Alex
winatb...@aol.com wrote on 4/22/02 7:33 AM:
>>> Surely you understand that men who want the same women you want won't think
>>> twice about ratting you out to the women to score points with those women.
>>> The women are very thankful for the warnings about how these methods work.
>>
>>
>> This is really funny.
>>
>> I've actually pulled men off of women. One was an American woman in a crowd
>> in Florence, Italy, where she was screaming at the guy to get off her and go
>> away.
>
> I don't do Springer.
Of course not. You'd have to leave mommy's apartment.
>
>
>> The other was a woman whose boyfriend was pulling her down the street
>> by her hair in New York.
>
> So?
That response just about says it all. A complete lack of empathy with his
fellow human beings. But that's not a surprise to those of us who were
around on 9/11.
>
>
>> Under the Ray theory of the world, you'd think they'd have been "very
>> thankful."
>
> No, these women are SICK creatures
I'll grant you the NY woman made really bad choices. But the American woman
being molested in the Italian crowd? Not unless you consider ALL women "SICK
creatures."
Which, of course, your words have shown you do.
>
>>
>> However, here in reality, neither of them were. In fact, both were downright
>> rude and hostile about it.
>
> Because if they defended your actions they'd get beaten WORSE after you left.
> DUH.
Wrong again, "GENIUS."
In both cases, the men left before I did. Under your theory, the damage had
already been done. There was nothing left to lose by even a simple "thank
you."
Just because your theories don't match reality is no reason to get snippy
with me.
>
> Some of these women can't AFFORD to move or they fear being KILLED if they do.
The one in NYC, her building now has a doorman. Go figure.
So far, all your doing is what you always do. Extrapolating an extreme
situation from the few facts you have. Big deal.
>
> The one major appeal of an ASF man is that he doesn't care enough to abuse her
> or stalk her, but also not enough to "protect" her because he's not going to
> let her put him at that kind of risk.
And yet, I put myself at risk to help two women (who I did not even know)
who were not even remotely "thankful." How does that fit with your theory?
>
>
>> I can only imagine how rude and hostile a real woman would be to someone
>> like Ray who kept butting in while some other guy was making her feel good.
>
> So you get to be slick and I don't? Nice how you paint me as being hostile
> about it. I wouldn't do that at all.
Do I have to pull out the quotes about "telling a woman what the guy is
doing to her?" How would you manage that WITHOUT being an interrupting
cock-block?
Just because you're a bitter little troll who couldn't get laid in a
whorehouse with a $100 taped to his fly, doesn't entitle you to interrupt
those of us who can.
My experience (since I leave my house) has been that, if you tried that in
NYC, chances are more likely that SHE'd tell you to fuck off.
<snip insane fantasy>
>
> At that point I have total sexual control.
This is really the heart of the issue for you, isn't it?
You're so terrified of other people in real-life that without "total
control," you'd be unable to function in a relationship.
For those of us who are emotionally healthy, "total control" is NOT the
goal.
>
> The only problem is that now I don't get to this point because I don't let
> women LJBF me in the first place, and I start off with them assuming they are
> like the website sluts you guys seduce, and put the burden on them to prove
> they aren't. The first time they say "no" to me is the last time they talk to
> me. No matter how much they prove themselves, for how long, or how often,
> they don't gain my trust. EVER.
This is quite sick. Since this is NOT a D/S newsgroup, it has absolutely NO
place here.
Removing the option of "no" is NOT seduction. It's emotional coercion and
you're hardly likely to attract emotionally healthy women that way.
>
> This is why I have no respect for you or for Eddie Z. You think your women
> have changed from the creatures who required these games in the first place?
> Get real. Whatever it was that caused you to have to use these methods to get
> these women will come into play again, as it's just a matter of time.
I have no desire for your "respect."
You are a lonely bitter little troll.
Has your mother picked out the dress she'll wear on television when Dan
Rather asks her why her son shot the president?
>
> With the women I deal with, the rules are simple:
>
> be young
> be incredibly hot
> be available
> do whatever I say
>
> she says no, she's GONE. If I talk to her after that point, it's "strictly
> business" and I get $50 an hour for my time. If she doesn't want to pay that,
> and I need a pivot, she can hang out with me for five hours and help me get
> laid.
Save your power game fantasies for someone who'd be impressed with them. Or
who'd give a shit in the first place.
>
> I'm not going to walk through the clubs like a dog at a restaurant dumpster
> who
> hasn't had a meal in six days. That's a loss of dignity. I keep the option
> to
> be alone, I don't deal with women except under the most favorable of
> circumstances (i.e., they have approached me, and every attempt to repel them
> has failed, and they never say no to me), and build a circle of gorgeous,
> young, obedient, and TRAINED women who know if they give me even minor shit
> they need not come back, with no second chances.
Again, take this crap to the D/S newsgroups. This is NOT seduction, it's
coercion. No emotionally healthy woman would spend 10 seconds with you under
these conditions.
>
> Guys here who face shit tests have to give a woman that second chance. Right
> there they get knocked down from ALPHA (one chance and one chance only) to
> BETA
> (two chances). All you get if you give a woman two chances is a guarantee of
> having one pile of shit thrown in your face after the first chance, and a
> second pile of shit after the second.
Nothing shows your inability to grasp even the simplest of ASF concepts as
this last paragraph.
You deserve all the pain and loneliness your methods bring you.
Mirak
"Russel M." <r...@nospam.co.au> wrote in message
news:3CC3F900...@nospam.co.au...
> This is why Ray is still single.
>
> Has he -ever- met a real woman?
Sincerely it works lol.
If a girl rejects you ignore her.
If she LJBF you, LJBF her even more than she do.
They will not understand that you are not at is foot. So she will ask why ?
And you will increase your value (even if she was a little bit down lol).
The key is to show no interest for her, they hate that, because they love to
seduce men or feel desirable.
OF COURSE it will not work on all womens.
But personnally I think that this is a little bit LONG, and that there is a
time to FUCK.
If a girl showed you interest and that she rejects you or other because she
have changed her mind (for some reason. exemple her ego), if you ignore her
or LJBF her badly, it will drive her MAD and at that time you are in is
BRAIN. But it only works in the case where she tried to eye contact you or
make signals before.
But if I have proved her that I am really a SUCKER, of course it will never
work lol.
And the hoter the girl is, the better it will work.
Also I don't think it's the best way to have a good relation ship, because
the girl will have the fear of beeing dropped and may not want to engage.
(it happened to me).
And I don't have read any Rays books or be brainwashed by him, I am not sick
or anything else, but what he say is not as much bullshit that many other
think. But it's really hard to do and to control that kind of situation and
need somewhere to be a psychological pervert lol.
But damed sometime we just need to FUCK and girls to and without commitment.
Russel M.
> There were some interesting follow-ups to this article. We ask the
> same question that one of those follow-ups asked:
>
> "Just how horrendously fucked up would he have to be to
> make death at the hands of an abusive asshole seem like
> the favorable choice?"
>
> Do you have an answer for this two-year old question, or are you
> going to dodge it this time too?
>
> The OFFICIAL Ray Gordon FAQ: http://www.Ray-Gordon.com
>
What's clear is that ALL Ray's methods rely on:
1. Deceit
2. "Hiding things"
3. Trying to mess up other men's attempts
4. Having no trust in anyone whatsoever
5. Telling the most bullsh*t stories
No wonder he's 30-something and still alone
Russel M.
What the $*(@#()$ are you talking about?
This sounds like one of Ray's rants.
Markku Jantunen
>Mirak wrote:
[clip]
>What the $*(@#()$ are you talking about?
>This sounds like one of Ray's rants.
Ray is clearly a native speaker of English while Mirak is clearly not.
HTH
- mj
--
"Lihasmassa on naisia ja lapsia varten!" - Tuomo Salo
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~msj/
Mirak
"Markku Jantunen" <m...@kaarne.cs.tut.fi> wrote in message
news:aa18eh$rqi$1...@news.cc.tut.fi...
> "Russel M." <r...@nospam.co.au> writes:
>
> >Mirak wrote:
>
> [clip]
>
> >What the $*(@#()$ are you talking about?
>
> >This sounds like one of Ray's rants.
There is two things, or I am really dumb sick stupid idiot etc wich is not I
think I am, or maybe there is a part of true in Ray ideas.
Honestly if for you the phrases "don't bother talk to girls that you
wouldn't sleep with" really means word for word that you really shouldn't in
any circumstances talk to a girl that you wouldn't sleep with, it's logical
that you will find all this things stupid.
I am not the only one who say or think that there is a part of truth in this
ideas, and I don't think that we are ALL MAD.
This is not this ideas that will get you lay in 15 minutes this is sure.
> Ray is clearly a native speaker of English while Mirak is clearly not.
Sorry for my poor english lol.
ErosLA77
>From: Esoteric as...@asdf.com
>Date: Sun, Apr 21, 2002 1:05 PM
>Message-id: <1sg6cu4embt0mqodg...@4ax.com>
> I've gotten females into
>wonderful states simply by using the "patterns" Ross teaches, and some
>tonality. I've only read his old newsletters from his site (I don't
>have his home study course) and had the now discontinued Bishop's
>Journal.
One of my points, and a good distinction between me and my imitators, is that
you can find plenty of free stuff on my website that you can try out for
yourself, put to use, and see immediate results.
>everything that Ross
>lays out in his teachings have popped up at one time or another, i.e.
>the "doggie dinner bowl look." It was actually quite exciting to see
>the look Ross described accurately forming on the face of a hottie I>was
"sarging" (Ross' word for using SS).
Good that you are experimenting and playing with the tech.
>The only qualms I have with it are it doesn't feel natural to me, but
>I am told that this soon passes, like wearing into a new pair of
>shoes.
It shouldn't "feel natural". If it "felt natural" that would mean it is very
close to what you are already doing, and where has THAT gotten you in the past?
One thing that will make it seem a lot MORE "natural" is using the process of
asking questions that get HER talking, so you can feed back HER own words to
her.
SS is NOT about reciting, but about getting into the deeper levels of her mind
and triggering HER processes for attraction, feeling turned on, etc. etc.
SOME memorizing is involved, but FAR less than people keep talking about.
>Ross? Do you have any spare Home Study Courses you are thinking of
>trashing? I'd love to get my hands on one... no money! :-)
Well, keep posting and we will see what we can do..
Win At Betting
>
>Has he -ever- met a real woman?
Your debating skills are so impressive and I am so awe-struck that I'll have to
pause for a moment or ten before I respond.
I am truly dazzled.
Win At Betting
>wouldn't sleep with" really means word for word that you really shouldn't in
>any circumstances talk to a girl that you wouldn't sleep with, it's logical
>that you will find all this things stupid.
>I am not the only one who say or think that there is a part of truth in this
>ideas, and I don't think that we are ALL MAD.
>This is not this ideas that will get you lay in 15 minutes this is sure.
You'd be surprised. Once she realizes how difficult you are, if she stays and
tries to meet the challenge, you can get super-aggressive on her and usually
lay her that day.
Swank
winatb...@aol.com says...
> I think it's vulnerable to attack from rival males who can say "THIS is what
> he's doing to you" and then point her at the websites.
>
> How would you handle that?
>
>
> Ray Gordon, GENIUS
> http://www.cybersheet.com
>
What, Ray? What the fuck is he doing that's "vulnerable to attack from
rival males"? That in itself is a pussy statement if I ever heard one.
You've never experienced it, have you? A woman slowly becoming turned on
by a man, that look she gives you as you pull her closer to you and she
looks up at you and almost begs for it...Ray, it's so fucking natural.
You just don't get it, do you? It is normal for a woman to be attracted
to a man, and it is normal for a man to be attracted to a woman.
Don't poison this place for newcomers with visons of your psychotic
nightmare world.
--
Swank
Esoteric
they asked. Why hide it? I'm not worried that they will be mad. I'm
not going to be like "OH MY GOD I LEARNED HOW TO SEDUCE YOU AT
SEDUCTION.COM", but if they ask, I'll be honest. If you expect people
to get mad at you, they probably will, but if you are honest with
them, it's all the better.
Regards,
Esoteric
On 22 Apr 2002 07:41:31 GMT, winatb...@aol.com (Win At Betting)
wrote:
>>Hmmm. We'll have to see. I'm new to this, but so far I don't feel like
P.S. I'm not into any flame wars or petty, childish insults. Any posts loaded with hate, wordy violence or flaming will be ignored.
Esoteric
>>Subject: Yes, SS works. Question for Ross?
>>From: Esoteric as...@asdf.com
>>Date: Sun, Apr 21, 2002 1:05 PM
>>Message-id: <1sg6cu4embt0mqodg...@4ax.com>
>
>> I've gotten females into
>>wonderful states simply by using the "patterns" Ross teaches, and some
>>tonality. I've only read his old newsletters from his site (I don't
>>have his home study course) and had the now discontinued Bishop's
>>Journal.
>
> One of my points, and a good distinction between me and my imitators, is that
>you can find plenty of free stuff on my website that you can try out for
>yourself, put to use, and see immediate results.
>
Yes, I've noticed that...
>>everything that Ross
>>lays out in his teachings have popped up at one time or another, i.e.
>>the "doggie dinner bowl look." It was actually quite exciting to see
>>the look Ross described accurately forming on the face of a hottie I>was
>"sarging" (Ross' word for using SS).
>
> Good that you are experimenting and playing with the tech.
>
>>The only qualms I have with it are it doesn't feel natural to me, but
>>I am told that this soon passes, like wearing into a new pair of
>>shoes.
>
>It shouldn't "feel natural". If it "felt natural" that would mean it is very
>close to what you are already doing, and where has THAT gotten you in the past?
>
Heh heh... why is this guy always right... ? :-)
> One thing that will make it seem a lot MORE "natural" is using the process of
>asking questions that get HER talking, so you can feed back HER own words to
>her.
>
Meaning questions like "What is it about X that you find the most
fulfilling," blah blah blah. That's a GREAT question!!!
> SS is NOT about reciting, but about getting into the deeper levels of her mind
>and triggering HER processes for attraction, feeling turned on, etc. etc.
>
Yeah, this is something I need to work on... getting out of my head
and "into" hers.
> SOME memorizing is involved, but FAR less than people keep talking about.
>
>>Ross? Do you have any spare Home Study Courses you are thinking of
>>trashing? I'd love to get my hands on one... no money! :-)
>
> Well, keep posting and we will see what we can do..
Cool.
Respectfully,
Esoteric
Esoteric
about? Let's talk about SEDUCTION instead of flaming each other! What
a waste of time.
Anyways, I just have a general question for anyone who is
interested... what are your biggest qualms about approaching women,
and how do you deal with it? For me, it's knowing what to say to
introduce themes and feelings that will make her, US, feel good.
For example, you walk up to someone, and have some small talk or maybe
crack a joke... I have yet to master building the rapport to the point
where the languaging flows out with ease and naturally. Anyone have
troubles that are similar to this?
Now, there have been times where I just feel on TOP OF THE WORLD, and
all of my "sarging" seems to come out of nowhere--- cracking jokes,
making them feel good, and even anchoring (Ross, if I'm stepping out
of bounds by revealing too much, just let me know!). I don't know how
I access those states, but they feel wonderful and everything just
seems to flow.
Anyone know of a way to access those powerful feelings of "google" at
will?
Take care,
Esoteric
Mirak
"Esoteric" <as...@asdf.com> wrote in message
news:6ru9cukifc91dphni...@4ax.com...
> Geez... this entire thread has turned into a war zone! What's this all
> about? Let's talk about SEDUCTION instead of flaming each other! What
> a waste of time.
>
> Anyways, I just have a general question for anyone who is
> interested... what are your biggest qualms about approaching women,
> and how do you deal with it? For me, it's knowing what to say to
> introduce themes and feelings that will make her, US, feel good.
>
> For example, you walk up to someone, and have some small talk or maybe
> crack a joke... I have yet to master building the rapport to the point
> where the languaging flows out with ease and naturally. Anyone have
> troubles that are similar to this?
>
> Now, there have been times where I just feel on TOP OF THE WORLD, and
> all of my "sarging" seems to come out of nowhere--- cracking jokes,
> making them feel good, and even anchoring (Ross, if I'm stepping out
> of bounds by revealing too much, just let me know!). I don't know how
> I access those states, but they feel wonderful and everything just
> seems to flow.
>
> Anyone know of a way to access those powerful feelings of "google" at
> will?
Same for me, this is when you don't think about what will happen next etc,
when you feel the present, here and now. You and the girl and nothing else.
I have started to practice meditation to be more AWARE, and feel more the
present time. It give good results, because I think that most of our fears
are about what while happen next and are all about our representation of the
futur, I mean afraid of the rejections, or afraid to act like a loser etc.
Meditation relaxation etc can help to get rid of negative though and
feelings. You see them come (negative things) and you choose to not keep
them and let them go away. In fact it help to select what is usefull.
Personnaly my main problem is the kissclose, I can act perfectly and block
on it. I have improved that point a lot, but I have missed many occasions
because of that.
Mirak
YES. But the difficult thing for me is to kissclose in a super agressive
way. Somewhere I don't really realise that I have the right to do that, and
that this is what she wants. If you do or go for a soft kissclose (or
hesitant) it look bizarre I think.
But it work best on very hot or confident girls.
If the girl is less confident about her value she can really think that you
are not interested and that she is just "dreaming" or that she is just
making ideas.
A girl told me one time that she believed that I considered her like a
friend or at least she didn't really knew how I considered her, and it
really have a powerfull effect on her. (very hot girl).
Mirak
Wait a minute, maybe you don't realise that even in the past you weren't
acting natural.
SS technics seems unatural with your conception of what you think it was
natural for you.
But maybe when you though you were acting natural, you were not really
acting NATURAL.
Boys and girls are made to fuck, this is natural (procreation etc), and
maybe you didn't get the idea that it was natural, when you were trying to
seduce in the past.
(Ouch sorry for the time concordance I do my best, english is not my natural
language)
>
> > One thing that will make it seem a lot MORE "natural" is using the
process of
> >asking questions that get HER talking, so you can feed back HER own words
to
> >her.
> >
>
> Meaning questions like "What is it about X that you find the most
> fulfilling," blah blah blah. That's a GREAT question!!!
>
> > SS is NOT about reciting, but about getting into the deeper levels of
her mind
> >and triggering HER processes for attraction, feeling turned on, etc. etc.
> >
>
> Yeah, this is something I need to work on... getting out of my head
> and "into" hers.
Yes be natural ... :)