Passing Shit Tests By NEVER TRUSTING HER
Win At Betting
If you TRUST her on her word, you fail.
If you TREAT HER LIKE A LIAR, you pass.
Show me ONE shit test where this isn't the case.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
http://www.cybersheet.com
John C. Randolph
What a vicious, nasty little world you live in..
-jcr
Mirak
"Win At Betting" <winatb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020420014803...@mb-mt.aol.com...
> That's what a shit test is:
>
> If you TRUST her on her word, you fail.
>
> If you TREAT HER LIKE A LIAR, you pass.
>
> Show me ONE shit test where this isn't the case.
But you start from the point that the girl you try to seduce already likes
you !
If she don't have noticed you before, what do you propose ?
Mirak
"Mirak" <mir...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:a9rn19$q31$1...@wanadoo.fr...
>
> "Win At Betting" <winatb...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20020420014803...@mb-mt.aol.com...
> > That's what a shit test is:
> >
> > If you TRUST her on her word, you fail.
> >
> > If you TREAT HER LIKE A LIAR, you pass.
> >
> > Show me ONE shit test where this isn't the case.
>
> But you start from the point that the girl you try to seduce already likes
> you !
Or at least is intrigued by you.
Win At Betting
Yours is the nasty one if you live in DENIAL like that.
I'm right, and you can't deal with it.
John C. Randolph
Win At Betting wrote:
> I'm right, and you can't deal with it.
Well, there's a first time for everything. Still, I find your attempt
to support your position by merely re-asserting it to be less than convincing.
-jcr
Win At Betting
>
>Well, there's a first time for everything. Still, I find your attempt
>to support your position by merely re-asserting it to be less than
>convincing.
It's self-evident that if you trust a woman, you will fail ANY shit-test,
because the shit-test is passed by NOT trusting her.
Message to men: trust women and get played; never trust them and get laid.
Mirak
"Bad Form" <will...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b5d0bdbb.02042...@posting.google.com...
likes
> > you !
>
> that is vrey powerful.. assuming that all chicks want you.
>
> I enjoy doing that. It's the standard 'fake it until you make it'
> philosophy... fake that all chicks want you: your attitude will end up
> making it true. For me, though, I've always felt that way. I REALLY
> DO believe it. I grew up very spoiled and loved by the women around
> me, and I just naturally assume that whenever a chick looks at me, she
> lusts for me. Whenever a girl sits in my line of sight, she wants me
> to come over and talk to her. Whenever a girl asks for a cigarette,
> she wants me to start talking with her. Whenever a girl gets in my
> way, she did it because she wanted me to notice her. Whenever a girl
> smiles at me, she wants to sleep with me.
>
> Can I prove all this? Of course not. But to paraphrase RJ, it's a
> position I choose to come from. And, at a very deep level, I'm
> convinced that it's true: all women want me.
>
> It's a very narcissistic way of looking at the world I guess.. but I
I agree too, because many girls look me that way lol, wich has convinced me
that it's true. It took me some time to realise it, this is why I don't feel
narcissic, and think that I can see both side.
I know that I attract girls, but the fact that I act like if I don't know or
realise it or care of it, make me even more desirable, this is one of my
conclusion. I know it, but I don't want to use it because it's to easy. (not
that easy things are not good, but I don't want to lay girls only because of
that, it's my ego lol). So it also took me time then, to realise that it was
not only my look that atracts girls, but also my atitude or my personnality,
humour etc
BUT if somebody have never feel that, it will be hard to convince him that
it works or at least that he should think like that.
The only thing that can prove that it could work is that if I feel like a
shit (it happen sometimes) or not good, girls are not attracted in the same
way that is sure lol.
And one other thing, if it's not really true that you attract girls,
thinking that it's the case can be incongruent and make you look ridicule. I
think that you have to feel desirable, but NOT show it. Not act like you are
desirable, just feel desirable, and you will act in a way that the other
will feel that you feel desirable. So they will find you desirable.
> don't know how any guy could think some FEMALE is MORE DESIRABLE than
> he is! That's what I just can't understand.
You have understand that it's the good strategy, but SS can help to that I
think, to prove you that you can be desirable. Then when you have some
succes, Ray ideas can look less ridicule.
The problem in Ray method is that you can't only say to somebody feel
desirable feel patati feel patata to make him feel like that, it's what
odious say I think. If a guy have never feel that state, when you feel that
you are the focus or the gravity center of many girls or people, it will be
impossible to provoc that state, because they have never feel it before. I
think it may have happen but not enough to anchor it. (if anchor is the good
term).
Win At Betting
>position I choose to come from. And, at a very deep level, I'm
>convinced that it's true: all women want me.
I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, doggone it, chicks want to give me
head.
Treasure hunter
posted
in a nutshell;
be glad woman have shittests otherwise they would go with every sucker
who wanted them, just be glad they are blowing all those other guys of
till they meet you!
"ALPHAHOT1" <alph...@aol.com>
Tue, 30 May 2000 01:31:57 GMT
newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
subject: SEDUCTION TRENDS: Why Women Test Guys
Reading through asf, I've noticed recently that there has
been a lot of stuff said, and inquired about, as to why
women test guys. Well I'm here to give (hopefully) some
of the newbies, or anyone else who's interesting, perhaps
a better understanding of what this "testing" shit all comes
down to these days.
Now it's obvious from reading some of these posts, that
a lot of guys are resentful about the fact that women do
this. Pull these "jackass" tests on them.
Well, I've got some news for you guys. You better learn to
fucking GET OVER IT, and learn how to make it work FOR
you rather than letting it make you into a bitter SOB.
First of all, realize this; ANY form of resentment towards
women, WHATEVER your resons may be, will ONLY cause
you more problems with them and contribute even MORE
to you NOT getting what you want from them. Harboring
resentment towards women is like dumping water on a
fire. It KILLS your chances. Women can pick up on this
more than you probably realize. Yes, you may be able to
mask it for a while, but eventually it will show through, and
it will make women NOT WANT TO BE AROUND YOU.
It is my hope that this post will be a helpful "tool", if you will,
for helping you to better understand WHY women do things
that they do. And by understanding it, help you to not take
some of the shit they do personally.
Ok, down to the point. Why do women test men so much?
The short and simple answer: Because THEY HAVE TO.
Ok, let me throw a bit of NLP stuff at you here. There is
a basic presupposition in NLP that says:
"EVERY behavior seeks to accomplish something useful
in SOME context!"
So what is this saying? Well the long and short of it is that
ANY behavior that a woman exhibits (or any person) is an
attempt to serve SOME purpose which is benificial to her
better interests and desires and needs.
IOW, there is a REASON that women are constantly putting
guys through jackass tests.
Ok let's look at this in yet another way. I have said this
to guys before, and I'll say it again here. What if it were
YOU who was the beautiful woman? The HB?
Don't buy into that bullshit that beautiful women "never get
approached or asked out" because men are so "intimidated
by their good looks." That's a total bullshit myth. HBs are
almost CONSTANTLY being eyed up and hit on by every
sleazoid scumbag under the sun. And by EVERY type of
guy, good looking ones as well as not so good looking ones.
So, again, Imagine that YOU are the HB in this instance.
Maybe you get hit on and asked out anywhere from 10 to
20 times a day depending on how much exposure you have
out in the world. But you are CONSTANTLY being eyed up.
You always see men looking at you with lust, undressing
you with their eyes, and you KNOW they have one thing
on their mind and one thing only; FUCKING you!
Ok, let's apply some logic here. Do you think women are
actually going to want to fuck any and all of these guys
who hit on them and ask them out? Fuck maybe 5, 10
or 20 guys a day? Not likely.
For women, having to blow guys off is all routine to them.
It becomes SO routine in fact, that they may end up blowing
off some of the rare good ones along with all the dirtbags.
Now on occasion, a woman will have a man ask her out
who strikes her fancy, for whatever reason. (This should
be YOU, btw) But in order to make sure that this guy
isn't just like EVERY other inept asshole that she's gone
out with in the past.... SHE TESTS HIM.
If you really think about this here, you may begin to
understand that a woman, especially an HB, is almost
FORCED into the position of having to do this. Yes we
think it sucks, yes we can get resentful over it, but why?
It's because you are looking at her tests in the WRONG
way.
When a woman is testing you, it can be a very, very good
thing. If the woman were not thinking about seriously
wanting to fuck you, or have a relationship with you,
she wouldn't even BOTHER testing you!
So when a woman throws "jackass" tests at you, what
she is REALLY doing is structuring a set of "doorways"
that you must successfully walk through in order to get
into her pants. Now if the woman is setting up these
doorways for you, it presupposes that she is doing it
because she WANTS to have a chance at fucking you or
getting in to an LTR with you or whatever. So realize one
very important thing; When a woman tests you, whether
she is doing it consciously or subconsciously (usually
the latter, as woman are PROGRAMMED to do this)
she is actually STRUCTURING a way for you to get her.
And is more than likely HOPING that you will be able to
walk through all of the doorways, or you wouldn't have
gotten this far with her to begin with. And not only that
but she is just hoping against hope, that you are NOT
like all the other AFCs she's gone out with in the past.
alphahot;
I have stated before that chicks pull shit test because they have to
(an archived post) and I still adhere to that belief. It's truly a
chick's
only real way of finding out just what kind of guy you are.
The thing is to not let her shit tests fuck up YOUR rap.
The reason I even post this tonight, is because I have become
even a bit more aware that women are more insecure today
than ever before. And where there is more insecurity, there
will be more shit tests. Make and keep yourself ready, and
pass them.
AlphaHot1
wrote:
>That's what a shit test is:
>
>If you TRUST her on her word, you fail.
>
>If you TREAT HER LIKE A LIAR, you pass.
>
>Show me ONE shit test where this isn't the case.
:::::::I would certainly endorse this as being generally accurate and
relatively true.
Once again, though, let's go to the root of the matter in question.
"WHY is the chick giving me the shit-test in the first place?"
--We first rule out the possible 10-20% of strictly sadistic
psychotics or flakes--
Every behavior seeks to accomplish something useful or "perceived as"
beneficial in SOME context. This includes shit-tests. Women do not
exhibit or convey a certain behavior unless that behavior is somehow
helping HER to get what SHE wants in the form of some end value or
state/result.... or helping HER to make some kind of
evaluation/decision concerning a situation or a guy.
The "normal" chicks shit-test guys because they have to. A good, pure,
wholesome shit-test is nothing but PURE opportunity, given that you
know how to SPOT these shit-tests for exactly what they are and act
accordingly. Once spotted, one only needs to, in general accordance
with what you've written about, say something roughly along the lines
of, "you're full of shit," and then allow her to assert herself to
make good on her action, claim, promise, etc.
You already know she likes you. You already know she wants you. But,
you simply never give her the benefit of the doubt, on ANYTHING, until
she has proven herself.
If an action or claim is completely initiated by the chick (i.e. I
want to meet you at such-and-such place and do such-and-such thing)
WITHOUT your direct prompting or intervention of that idea, don't
trust it. Treat it as a general lie until proven true. Throw down the
gauntlet and let her PROVE it true.
On the other hand, if something such as a PROPERLY done Elicitation of
Criteria process is being worked on her by you, believe most of what
she says and treat it as generally true, UNLESS it is somehow
blatantly proven otherwise, (it is very hard to lie or fabricate
during a good EOC process). In other words, once again, remember to
take into CONTEXT exactly what you/she is doing, and respond to or
believe what is happening on THAT basis.
AH1
Odious
Bad Form wrote:
>
> "Mirak" <mir...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:<a9rn19$q31$1...@wanadoo.fr>...
>
> > But you start from the point that the girl you try to seduce already likes
> > you !
>
> That's actually the one part of Rays stuff
That isn't ray's stuff.
Odious
Win At Betting wrote:
>
> >> I'm right, and you can't deal with it.
> >
> >Well, there's a first time for everything. Still, I find your attempt
> >to support your position by merely re-asserting it to be less than
> >convincing.
>
> It's self-evident that if you trust a woman, you will fail ANY shit-test,
> because the shit-test is passed by NOT trusting her.
No it isn't. A shit test is passed by demonstrating you have the
wherewithal to spot the test and to call her on it. It has nothing to do
with never trusting her.
You're an idiot ray.
Alex
Alph...@aol.com wrote on 4/21/02 6:20 PM:
> But,
> you simply never give her the benefit of the doubt, on ANYTHING, until
> she has proven herself.
This is excellent advice, applicable to many situations, not just seduction.
Trust has to be earned.
Odious
Win At Betting wrote:
>
> >Can I prove all this? Of course not. But to paraphrase RJ, it's a
> >position I choose to come from. And, at a very deep level, I'm
> >convinced that it's true: all women want me.
>
> I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, doggone it, chicks want to give me
> head.
Ray, you trying to fake it till you make it at seduction, is like a guy
with no legs trying to fake it until he makes it as an Olympic ski
jumper.
There has to at least be the potential for possible success for you to
make use of this method... something you obviously lack.
Gauss
>That's what a shit test is:
>If you TRUST her on her word, you fail.
>If you TREAT HER LIKE A LIAR, you pass.
>
>Show me ONE shit test where this isn't the case.
You'll never cease to amaze me with your theories Ray...
--
Gauss
Gauss
>Message to men: trust Ray and get played; never trust him and get laid.
>
>
>Ray Gordon, GENIUS
>http://www.cybersheet.com
--
Gauss
Win At Betting
>>
>>If you TREAT HER LIKE A LIAR, you pass.
>>
>>Show me ONE shit test where this isn't the case.
>
>:::::::I would certainly endorse this as being generally accurate and
>relatively true.
>
>Once again, though, let's go to the root of the matter in question.
>
>"WHY is the chick giving me the shit-test in the first place?"
Because she's SHIT.
>
>--We first rule out the possible 10-20% of strictly sadistic
>psychotics or flakes--
Shit.
>
>Every behavior seeks to accomplish something useful or "perceived as"
>beneficial in SOME context. This includes shit-tests. Women do not
>exhibit or convey a certain behavior unless that behavior is somehow
>helping HER to get what SHE wants in the form of some end value or
>state/result.... or helping HER to make some kind of
>evaluation/decision concerning a situation or a guy.
>
>The "normal" chicks shit-test guys because they have to. A good, pure,
>wholesome shit-test is nothing but PURE opportunity, given that you
>know how to SPOT these shit-tests for exactly what they are and act
>accordingly. Once spotted, one only needs to, in general accordance
>with what you've written about, say something roughly along the lines
>of, "you're full of shit," and then allow her to assert herself to
>make good on her action, claim, promise, etc.
She's still SHIT.
Let me guess, you're in an "LTR" of some sort.
>You already know she likes you. You already know she wants you. But,
>you simply never give her the benefit of the doubt, on ANYTHING, until
>she has proven herself.
>
>If an action or claim is completely initiated by the chick (i.e. I
>want to meet you at such-and-such place and do such-and-such thing)
>WITHOUT your direct prompting or intervention of that idea, don't
>trust it. Treat it as a general lie until proven true. Throw down the
>gauntlet and let her PROVE it true.
>
>On the other hand, if something such as a PROPERLY done Elicitation of
>Criteria process is being worked on her by you, believe most of what
>she says and treat it as generally true, UNLESS it is somehow
>blatantly proven otherwise, (it is very hard to lie or fabricate
>during a good EOC process). In other words, once again, remember to
>take into CONTEXT exactly what you/she is doing, and respond to or
>believe what is happening on THAT basis.
She's still SHIT.
Win At Betting
>> you simply never give her the benefit of the doubt, on ANYTHING, until
>> she has proven herself.
Except that if she's a shit-tester, she's already proven herself to be SHIT.
>
>
>This is excellent advice, applicable to many situations, not just seduction.
>
>Trust has to be earned.
Like you'd know? You seduce pathetic little SLUTS.
Win At Betting
She's still SHIT....
Win At Betting
This from the man who has told hundreds of lies about me, some little punk who
you never see his women do you?
Your previous lies discredit you.
Win At Betting
You may like seducing SHIT, but some men have standards.
ASF is for men who are willing to treat a slut or a whore as if she were a
lady, and call her a conquest no matter what a piece of crap she is.
Alex
winatb...@aol.com wrote on 4/24/02 8:53 PM:
>>> But,
>>> you simply never give her the benefit of the doubt, on ANYTHING, until
>>> she has proven herself.
>
> Except that if she's a shit-tester, she's already proven herself to be SHIT.
>
>
>>
>>
>> This is excellent advice, applicable to many situations, not just seduction.
>>
>> Trust has to be earned.
>
> Like you'd know? You seduce pathetic little SLUTS.
>
Jealousy is an ugly thing, grp.
Not Here
> >Win At Betting wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I'm right, and you can't deal with it.
> >> >
> >> >Well, there's a first time for everything. Still, I find your attempt
> >> >to support your position by merely re-asserting it to be less than
> >> >convincing.
> >>
> >> It's self-evident that if you trust a woman, you will fail ANY
shit-test,
> >> because the shit-test is passed by NOT trusting her.
> >
> >
> >No it isn't. A shit test is passed by demonstrating you have the
> >wherewithal to spot the test and to call her on it. It has nothing to do
> >with never trusting her.
>
> You may like seducing SHIT, but some men have standards.
Even if you are looking for only one person, men must be bold and approach
women. They may be "forced" into using ASF techniques to get them.
>
> ASF is for men who are willing to treat a slut or a whore as if she were a
> lady, and call her a conquest no matter what a piece of crap she is.
Not necessarily, it is used for picking the chick up. What a guy does after
picking her up depends on the guy doing the seducing. If you knew she
fucked three guys in three nights (a slight exaggeration, mind you) then,
the PUA might want to look elsewhere... I don't think even the PUA would
touch THAT chick (way too easy).
PUA: Hi.
Girl: Wanna fuck?
PUA: That's direct... (I didn't even say anything.)
Girl: Yeah, the other three guys I had weren't very good.
PUA: Other three guys? O_o
Girl: Yeah, I fucked about 300 in the past month.
PUA: ........ (This isn't even a challenge.)
Girl: Well?
PUA: Tell me... Exactly HOW many STD's do you currently have? -_-'
Odious
Win At Betting wrote:
>
> >> But,
> >> you simply never give her the benefit of the doubt, on ANYTHING, until
> >> she has proven herself.
>
> Except that if she's a shit-tester, she's already proven herself to be SHIT.
>
> >
> >
> >This is excellent advice, applicable to many situations, not just seduction.
> >
> >Trust has to be earned.
>
> Like you'd know? You seduce pathetic little SLUTS.
Says the loser who can't even seduce his own hand.
Odious
And you're still a lying fraud who will say anything to try and sell some
of your useless garbage.
Odious
Win At Betting wrote:
>
> >> >Can I prove all this? Of course not. But to paraphrase RJ, it's a
> >> >position I choose to come from. And, at a very deep level, I'm
> >> >convinced that it's true: all women want me.
> >>
> >> I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, doggone it, chicks want to give me
> >> head.
> >
> >
> >Ray, you trying to fake it till you make it at seduction, is like a guy
> >with no legs trying to fake it until he makes it as an Olympic ski
> >jumper.
> >
> >There has to at least be the potential for possible success for you to
> >make use of this method... something you obviously lack.
>
> This from the man who has told hundreds of lies about me,
Yet you can't even cite ONE single example.
Nor can you negate my above point. All you ca do is whine.
> some little punk who
> you never see his women do you?
>
FUnny ray, I could have sworn I had pictures of my and chicks on my web
site...
Where are your pics ray?
> Your previous lies discredit you.
>
Notice how the weak little coward runs from my point about his inability
and lack of experience. he knows he can not argue these facts, so he
tries to change the subject... typical.
Just like he ran when I proved he was lying about his contributions to
ASF...
Just like he ran when I challenged him to debate his ideas and stomped
his bullshit claims...
He is a liar and a fraud, it is all he can do.
Odious
Win At Betting wrote:
>
> >Win At Betting wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I'm right, and you can't deal with it.
> >> >
> >> >Well, there's a first time for everything. Still, I find your attempt
> >> >to support your position by merely re-asserting it to be less than
> >> >convincing.
> >>
> >> It's self-evident that if you trust a woman, you will fail ANY shit-test,
> >> because the shit-test is passed by NOT trusting her.
> >
> >
> >No it isn't. A shit test is passed by demonstrating you have the
> >wherewithal to spot the test and to call her on it. It has nothing to do
> >with never trusting her.
>
> You may like seducing SHIT, but some men have standards.
>
For a real seducer, standards define how you select women, yet for you
they serve only as another excuse for your unending failure to accomplish
even the most basic level of success.
You hide behind standards, like you hide behind your mommy's skirt.
Nobody is going to believe your lies ray.
Odious
Win At Betting wrote:
>
you?
>
> Your previous lies discredit you.
>
So ray says lying means the liar is discredited... so what do Ray's lies
mean about his credibility.
_____________________________________________________________
From: r__a_y__g...@juno.com (Outfoxing The Foxes)
Subject: Re: Mystery's Method Is DISHONEST
Date: 1998/10/16
Message-ID: <19981016.170756.20726....@juno.com>#1/1
Lying is always the most effective seduction
tool. This is known. It's why people lie to seduce.
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From: "Ray Gordon, GENIUS" <r...@cybersheet.com>
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: And they attacked ME for selling stuff?
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:53:29 -0500
Organization: Snodgrass Publishing Group
Lines: 42
Message-ID: <a000ic$dl4$0...@pita.alt.net>
The point is that I never claimed to be doing this out of the goodness of
my heart or some altruistic desire to help people.
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From: Outfoxing The Foxes <women_pur...@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Is the Fox book as bad as people make out?
Date: 1999/07/12
Message-ID: <19990712.214150.-207255...@juno.com>#1/1
My goal here is to HELP people (and yes, sell books if they
like what they read).
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From: Outfoxing The Foxes <foxes243...@juno.com>
Subject: Ross Can't Handle Wendi Freisen (Was: Ray endorsing a woman's
book?)
Date: 1999/03/17
Message-ID: <19990317.192449.-2507...@juno.com>#1/1
Since I'm out to HELP people, I endorse it.
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