Time to repost the RayFAQ... Subject: Ray Gordon FAQ - Part I

[Mr.Trust]

Here's the txt version of the rayFAQ reposted from google archives....

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Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
From: CavemanFAQ <cave...@webmail.co.za>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:38:46 +0200
Local: Mon, Jul 26 2004 10:38 am
Subject: Ray Gordon FAQ - Part I

Disclaimer:
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Do NOT distribute for commercial gain.

Part I

Information about "Ray Gordon", the fictitious internet pseudonym used by
Gordon Roy
Parker.
This page contains information about Ray Gordon, a dangerous harasser who
abuses
usenet newsgroups. Some recent email addresses were variations of The
Seduction
Library coming from AOL accounts, Prior to that he was posting from
variations of
ray__gor...@juno.com or outfoxf...@juno.com but it is likely that since he
spammed so
many newsgroups using Juno headers, that he was finally banned from their
system
somehow. Ray also seems to have been TOSsed from AOL as he no longer can
post to
usenet from AOL. At the moment his email addresses are: "Ray Gordon, GENIUS"
r...@cybersheet.com and cavema...@nni.com. The posting host he is currently
using is
Altopia.net, or alt.net. In any case, it is well known that he uses several
screen
names at the same time. If you are new to the alt.sports.gymnastics,
alt.romance,
soc.singles, soc.men, soc.women, rec.sports.gambling or alt.seduction.fast
newsgroups, please read through this page.

Who is this Ray Gordon person?
Why does this page exist?
Where else does he write?
How do you know that the writer is Ray?
What screen names and e-mail addresses does Ray use?
What AOL member profiles does he have?
How many people has he driven out of the Internet?
Disclaimer

I want to point out that this FAQ is based on USENET articles written by Ray
himself.
A lot of the examples are about Dominique Moceanu as they are examples of
how
obsessed Ray is about her. In fact there is so much material to use that
only a small
fraction is used in the FAQ. Ray Gordon has accused Dominique Moceanu of
being behind
this FAQ. I want to point out that Dominique Moceanu is NOT behind this
page. I, as
the author of RayFAQ, have never met Dominique Moceanu. I don't even know
anything
about her and I am not a gymnastics fan. I do feel sorry for anyone that is
unfortunate enough to be the target of Ray's sickness though.

One of the things that has people up in arms is the group of posts that Ray
published
regarding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade
Center, The
Pentagon, and the hijacked airliner that crashed in eastern Pennsylvania.
These
posts, along with selected responses have been incorporated into this
document, and
many of Ray's new email addresses have been added.

Ray is also accusing me of only telling one side of the story. I publish all
the
negative e-mail and especially anything that Ray will send me.If Ray wants
to tell
his side of the story, he should e-mail it to rayi...@email.com and
everything will
get published.

Ray has taken lately to crossposting as much as he can, due to the new
moderated
newsgroups that have been put up by an enterprising regular from
alt.seduction.fast.
Seems like Ray is unhappy about that, so he's doing all he can to diminish
the
credibility of the new groups, and this has started yet another flame war
across all
of the usenet newsgroups to which Ray posts regularly. This has resulted in
a totally
new rash of people who are not familiar with the years-long pattern of Ray's
posts,
and his voluminous posting history. This has prompted the republishing of
this
document, with its new additions.

Ray is currently taking the position that anything written about his posts
and him
personally is a slanderous, libelous, and defamatory conspiracy. It is
almost a
certainty that once this new FAQ gets published, that he will begin a
campaign to
have it removed, claiming one or all of the above reasons why it is illegal.
In case
no one ever told him, (and many people have) his own words, posts, threats,
and
actions are all publicly available to anyone who wants to research them, and
once
posted to usenet are public domain, accessible through Google, various
newsservers,
and newsgroup services, the newsgroups themselves, and, oh, wait... Ray
himself. It
is not the intention of this page to do anything other than bring to a
higher level
of public awareness what Ray himself has written.

Please note: The Old Author and the NEW Editorial Staff are NOT the same
person or
persons...
Who is this Ray Gordon person?

Ray Gordon is a dangerous harasser, who hides under several screen names
playing
every role possible to get someone to write to him. He is mentally sick and
violent.
He hates women and jumps on everybody who do not agree with him. He wishes
death to
people, laughs at people who have lost a child and harasses people in
general in the
most disgusting, sick ways. He thinks that he is here to "expose child
abuse" and
"corruption" in the world -but thinks he's allowed to insult people,
preferably
underage females,speak of them lowly and degradingly and make up the most
incredibly
ridiculous stories about them. Above all, he claims to have been Jesus in a
past life
and been sent here by God.

Ray Gordon is a fictitious internet pseudonym used by Gordon Roy Parker. An
excellent
description of the persona of "Ray Gordon" and thus that of Gordon Roy
Parker is the
description of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. This information offers
great
insight into the mental torment that he suffers, and which causes him to
take his
vengeance out on others.

http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/personality_disorders/narciss...
Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Schizoid PD

NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) is often diagnosed with other mental
health
disorders (such as the Borderline, Histrionic, or Antisocial personality
disorder).
This is called "co-morbidity". It is also often accompanied by substance
abuse and
other reckless and impulsive behaviours and this is called "dual diagnosis".
But
there is one curious match, one logic-defying co-appearance of mental health
disorders: narcissism and the Schizoid personality disorder

The basic dynamic of this particular brand of co-morbidity goes like this:

1. The Narcissist feels superior, unique, entitled and better than his
fellow men. He
thus tends to despise them, to hold them in contempt and to regard them as
lowly and
subservient beings.

2. The narcissist feels that his time is invaluable, his mission of cosmic
importance, his contributions to humanity priceless. He, therefore, demands
total
obedience and catering to his ever- changing needs. Any demands on his time
and
resources is deemed to be both humiliating and wasteful.

3. But the narcissist is DEPENDENT on input from other people for the
performance of
certain ego functions (such as the regulation of his sense of self worth).
Without
narcissistic supply (adulation, adoration, attention), the narcissist
shrivels and
withers and is dysphoric (=depressed).

4. The narcissist resents this dependence (described in point 3). He is
furious at
himself for his neediness and - in a typical narcissistic manoeuvre (called
"alloplastic defence") - he blames OTHERS for his anger. He displaces his
rage and
its roots.

5. Many narcissists are paranoids. This means that they are afraid of people
and of
what people might do to them. Think about it: wouldn't you be scared and
paranoid if
your very life depended continually on the goodwill of others? The
narcissist's very
life depends on others providing him with narcissistic supply. He becomes
suicidal if
they stop doing so.

6. To counter this overwhelming feeling of helplessness (dependence on
narcissistic
supply), the narcissist becomes a control freak. He sadistically manipulates
others
to satisfy his needs. He derives pleasure from the utter subjugation of his
human
environment.

7. Finally, the narcissist is a latent masochist. He seeks punishment,
castigation
and ex-communication. This self-destruction is the only way to validate
powerful
voices he internalized as a child ("you are a bad, rotten, hopeless child").

As you can easily see, the narcissistic landscape is fraught with
contradictions. The
Narcissist depends on people - but hates and despises them. He wants to
control them
unconditionally - but is also looking to punish himself savagely. He is
terrified of
persecution ("persecutory delusions") - but seeks the company of his own
"persecutors" compulsively. The narcissist is the victim of incompatible
inner
dynamics, ruled by numerous vicious circles, pushed and pulled
simultaneously by
irresistible forces. A minority of narcissists choose the SCHIZOID SOLUTION.
They
choose, in effect, to disengage, both emotionally and socially

By Dr. Sam Vaknin
http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/personality_disorders/narciss...

His different personalities are, for example, pro chess player, pro
gymnastics coach,
pro handicapper, pro finance market analyzer, pro relationships adviser, pro
anything, pro everything. He really thinks that he is capable of doing
everything he
says and it would be an understatement to say he is lying through his teeth.
He is
not a gymnastics coach, not an expert in anything he claims to be and people
have
proven that over and over. Let's face it, anyone with enough time to post
close to
one hundred articles, every day can't possibly do anything else with their
lives. If
you take his advice or write to him, he will first play nice but then he
attacks you
in the worst possible way you can imagine. What makes him dangerous is that
he writes
perfectly literate English, unlike most mentally disabled or dangerous
people on the
internet. You can find a lot of examples about his writings here. Read them
and learn
about this dangerous individual so that you can spot him when he makes an
appearance,
and then you will know why you can safely ignore everything Ray writes on
the
newsgroups or in chat rooms.

Some of Ray's self-proclaimed careers:
Pro gymnastics coach Claims to train several gymnasts online
Pro chess player and/or chess coach Only a bit shy of becoming World
Champion. Also
claims to be Internationally ranked Note: the USCF has NO listing of him on
their
website. According to information we have, Ray's old rating exists, but his
membership is not current.
Pro handicapper and oddsmaker According to his web site
Pro finance market analyzer According to his web site
Pro relationships adviser Teaches men "how to get laid"
Pro hypnotist and hypnosis instructor Harasses and bad mouths female
hypnotists
Software Company CEO Own company, of course
Writer Writes a book about seduction and Dominique Moceanu
Best secretary in the USA But got fired because he wasn't an "office
whore"
Paralegal Pennsylvania requires some sort of professional
certification,
but Ray doesn't know that.
Activist against child abuse and sexual harassment Claims that
gymnastics coaches
are child abusers
Professional psychic And still doesn't have a clue about the Editorial
Staff of RayFAQ
Civil Rights Activist Claims that hiring discrimination has prevented him
from being
employed. Filed suit against UPenn. Hmmm...
Journalist Not accredited by any news agency, though.
Software Company CEO & entrepreneur Own company, of course
Successful business owner Also known as broke, and filed bankruptcy in
1997.
Internet guru He can't read headers on Usenet posts, but he's learning.
Sports historian Hmm...
Body builder And of course extremely good looking
Jesus Christ Only in past life though.
Skilled Hypnotist Claims to be able to "Gain TOTAL Sexual Control"
over women.

Here are a few links to info about Ray, and what he does.
Philadelphia First Judicial District Court Docket Report
The Fairfax Apartments
WHOIS for cybersheet.com
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Narcissists, Violence, and Abuse
Snodgrass Publishing - Fictitious Name Owner
Snodgrass Publishing - Basic Entity Information
Snodgrass Publishing - Instrument History
Penn Word Processing - Fictitious Name Owner
Penn Word Processing - Basic Entity Information
Penn Word Processing - Instrument History
Ray's "seduction website"
Ray's Yahoo! Group

Editors' note: Since Ray has begun cancelling his posts from the Google
archive, it
makes it more difficult to collect his original posts, but with a bit of
diligent
research, one can compile a complete record of what he posted and when, by
following
the convoluted threads.

More details about him can be found in Part III, under the section headed:
"What have
other people written about Ray?"
Why does this page exist?

Ray has started a war on alt.sports.gymnastics and continues one on
alt.romance,
alt.hypnosis, alt.gambling, alt.seduction.fast, and dozens of other
newsgroups. He
has himself posted more than ten thousand messages in these groups. There
are people
who work hard on the newsgroups to warn people about him and to correct all
the
"facts" he writes. That has caused that almost all the messages on
alt.sports.gymnastics, alt.romance, alt.hypnosis, alt.gambling, and
alt.seduction.fast to be about Ray Gordon. The newsgroups should be useful
and people
should be able to read them and post there but at the moment everything is a
total
war zone and you really don't want to read that.

The war has been going on for years, and is only getting worse. There is no
sign that
Ray will stop. People responding to his articles just makes the situation
even worse
because Ray gets what he wants: attention. People who fight him post because
they are
afraid that children could take his advice. One gymnast took his advice and
got
injured. Gymnastics is already a dangerous sports even when you do it right.
The
consequences of bad advice are serious injuries.

The OFFICIAL Ray Gordon FAQ was created to solve the deadlock The idea is to
provide
the warning for new readers by collecting a page with a lot of examples
about Ray's
behavior and his e-mail addresses. We don't need flame wars or comments on
Ray's
writings any more as anyone can read The OFFICIAL Ray Gordon FAQ. If no one
posts any
responses to Ray's writings, he won't get the attention any more and it's
only a
matter of time before he gets tired. So let's let him write but let's also
warn
people without adding to the amount of off-topic articles.

This might be all well intentioned, but as we've all seen, Ray doesn't care
how many
people flame him, nor does he care what his public image is. It will likely
take some
intervention somewhere, but until then, usenet will have to deal with it. To
find out
what you can do about it, if you are harassed, visit the "What can I do
about Ray" page.
Where else does he write?

* He writes on alt.romance pretending to be an expert on relationships
and
giving out advice on how to get laid. He hates women because he lost his
work as a
secretary. I guess you got the picture of how good his advice really is...
* He writes on alt.hypnosis claiming to be an expert. He harasses and
bad mouths
female hypnotists calling them evil.
* He jumps on women in alt.support.domestic-violence calling them
whores,
garbage etc.
* He also writes on alt.gambling claiming to be an expert handicapper
and oddsmaker
* He writes on alt.seduction.fast claiming to be an "expert" at
relationships,
seduction advice, meeting and picking up women, but has herpes, and his
books are now
once again for sale, although Ray won't provide accurate sales figures. Ray
claims
that PayPal's figures are artificially low. Ray has been challenged dozens
of times
to produce his sales figures, but he will never do it. He's a lying coward.
* He also has an own web site where he writes about relationships,
gambling and
stock markets claiming to be an expert in everything.
* Ray is now claiming to be publishing his own website, with names,
addresses,
and other personal information about the people he claims are harming his
businesses,
and threatening his safety. We would enjoy seeing this webpage, and would
gladly link
to it.

How do you know that the writer is Ray?

Of course from his screen names. But he keeps inventing new ones and you
know that
someone smells like Ray when this someone

* is defending him and hates all the other people who disagree with him
* claims to be an expert in anything you mention
* badmouths female gymnasts and females in general
* attacks people in almost every article
* complains loud that Ray is the one who is getting harassed

Ray even makes up new e-mail addresses and changes his writing style a bit
to defend
himself. Two documented examples can be read on the Ray in disguise-page.

So be careful in the newsgroups and check this page from time to time to get
the
updates and new screen names.
What screen names and e-mail addresses does Ray use?

Ray writes mostly using e-mail addresses from Hotmail, DejaNews and Juno.
Some recent
email addresses were variations of The Seduction Library coming from AOL
accounts,
Prior to that he was posting from variations of ray__gor...@juno.com or
outfoxf...@juno.com but it is likely that since he spammed so many
newsgroups using
Juno headers, that he was finally banned from their system somehow. The same
thing
happened to his AOL accounts, at least to the point that he no longer can
post from
AOL to usenet. At the moment his email addresses are: "Ray Gordon, GENIUS"
r...@cybersheet.com and cavema...@nni.com. The posting host he is currently
using is
Altopia.net, or alt.net. Recently, Ray has been posting again from America
Online.
Given the amount of persons on various newsgroups, one has to wonder if AOL
ever
intends to enforce its TOS User policy. It has been several months now that
Ray is
posting from "winatbetting", "iteachhypnosis", "averypsychicmale" and
"amoderncaveman" from AOL.

This is a long list of screen names Ray is using or has used in the past.
Most of
these are invalid at the moment because he gets his accounts cancelled FAST.
However,
I try to keep as complete a list as possible for readers to get the big
picture.

Here's also a note I got in e-mail:

* "BTW, maybe you could mention to your readers to point out to
AOLosers the
idiocy of giving him ANOTHER account right after canceling one!! Also, while
a
recognized "name" might be on, he will ALSO probably be lurking under a new,
temp
name. He has multiple phone lines, and can be online with AT LEAST two, and
probably
at least three names at once."

So be careful when you are in AOL chat rooms. �
An abbreviated list of Ray's e-mail addresses at Juno
NOTE: This list is very incomplete, because Ray would alter the number of
"_"
characters between each segment of a screen name, to counter a filter at
Juno. They
finally wised up, and blocked him completely.

To the best of our knowledge, all of these addresses have been cancelled by
the provider.

fredericagsanf...@juno.com
freddygsanf...@juno.com
lamontgsanf...@juno.com
notraymo...@juno.com
raygsanf...@juno.com
raygordon...@juno.com
ray_gor...@juno.com
ray__gor...@juno.com
r_a_y__gor...@juno.com
r_a_y_go_rd...@juno.com
sanford_g_f...@juno.com
snodgras...@juno.com
Women Prefer Me @ juno.com
Women______Prefer_____________ Me__@ juno.com
Women_______Prefer_____ Me_________@ juno.com
Women___ Prefer______________Me____@ juno.com
YouWillGetLaid @ juno.com
You______Will____Get________Laid_@ juno.com
You______Will_____ Get__Laid_____@ juno.com
You__ Will______Get_______Laid___@ juno.com
OutfoxingTheFoxes @ juno.com
Outfoxing______The_____________ Foxes__@ juno.com
Outfoxing__________The____ Foxes_______@ juno.com
Outfoxing___The_______________Foxes____@ juno.com
WomenPurrFor Me @ juno.com
Women______Purr____For_______ Me__@ juno.com
Women_____ __Purr__For___ Me_____@ juno.com
Women__ Purr_______For_______Me___@ juno.com
YoullGetLaid @ juno.com
Youll______Get______________ Laid__@ juno.com
Youll________Get_____ Laid_________@ juno.com
Youll___ Get_______________Laid____@ juno.com

Ray's e-mail addresses at Hotmail

Ask...@hotmail.com (Cancelled in March 1998. Over 500 articles in
alt.romance and
alt.sports.gymnastics)
niquesm...@hotmail.com
RayGordon...@hotmail.com
RayGordon12...@hotmail.com
ray...@hotmail.com (Cancelled in April 1998. Over 700 articles in
alt.romance and
alt.sports.gymnastics)
Seducer9...@hotmail.com
serenit...@hotmail.com (This one is Ray in disguise and he used it to defend
ask ray
in alt.romance.)
superrgen...@hotmail.com
tangled_w...@hotmail.com
Ray's screen names at AOL The list keeps increasing in length.

AbusesDM
ARoseForDM
AT6M
AModernCaveman
AVeryPsychicMale
BelaSucks
BetForALiving
CassyL3694
ChessGym (Profile below)
ChessRay (Profile below)
Chokeanu
Coacheanu
CoachChess
CUPID1pt0 (About 100 articles in alt.romance and 20 in soc.singles from
1997. He was
advertizing a Romantic Compatibility Software to tell people who to date.)
CYouIn2001
DeLoneWolf (About 20 articles in alt.hypnosis from 1996-1997)
DMGetsBusy
DMinsanity (About 20 articles in alt.sports.gymnastics from 1997)
DMIsAbused
DMisAHussy (Used to post only one slander article where he begs for
Dominique Moceanu
to sue him)
DMIsAWaste
DMisBeauty
DMIsMyLove
DMSUX
DMWinsGold
DomHypno (About 20 articles in alt.hypnosis from 1997)
DomiMyLove
DomiReject
DomIsDBomb
DomM4DomM
DomMarryMe
DomPsychic (Contains the really interesting Ray'sFinal Post to alt.hypnosis
which of
course was not his final post there)
DomQuitNow
DomsNo1Fan
DomWorship
DumbDumDom
DumDumDom
DumpedByDM
EleeteBoo (GymBooPeep says: EleeteBoo was a name Ray signed on as, when
posting as me
to get into a Private AOL chat with my friends (whom he thinks have
connections to
The Mag 7)
emeraldeyeshy...@aol.com (EmeraldEyesHypno)
FanGynast
FreeDMNow
GymGenius
GymnAbuse
HypnoDance
HypnoDomm
HypnoFag
HypnoTeach (About 30 articles in alt.hypnosis from 1997)
HypnoWitch
ICyberedDM
ICyberedJD
ICyberedSM
ICyberedVA
IDislikeDM
IKnowURDom
ILoooveDom
ILuvUNique
ITeachHypnosis
ITrainFHyp (Profile below)
IWantDM
JensNo1Fan (2 articles in alt.sports.gymnast.moceanu from 1997)
KneesRShot
LBOUD56714 (Suspected)
LearnHypno
Learn2BaPlayer
LindaC19F
LiveWell88
LoverOfDom
LoveThatDM
LoveUDom
LovingDomM
Lust4Jamie
MarryMeDom
MediaWhizz (7 articles in alt.hypnosis from 1997)
MenSleepForMe (AOL Profile as "Hellen" Check out Ray in disguise)
MoneyWhizz (Profile below)
MyLove4Dom
NadiaNique
NextBela
NiqueLoses (Check out Ray in disguise)
NiqueNadia
NoLust4JC
NoLust4Nes
nosexx...@aol.com (NoSexxDom) (Profile below. Used often. About 330 articles
in
alt.romance, 70 in
---------------- alt.hypnosis, 50 in soc.singles from 1997)
NotD8ingDM
NotD8tingDM
NotDMCoach
NowFlyAway
OwnedByRay (7 articles in alt.hypnosis from 1996)
Powerbase1
ProPredict
PsychDom (New one after Pxychic was canceled)
PsychicDom (About 30 articles in alt.hypnosis from 1997)
PsychSmart
Pxychic (Cancelled in February 1998. Profile below. This was used a lot and
mainly in
alt.romance. Also in a.s.gymnastics, alt.hypnosis, soc.singles and
rec.gambling.sports)
Pxykick (New one after Pxychic was canceled)
QuitNowDom
Raytemp000 (2 articles in alt.romance from 1997)
Raytemp963 (12 articles in alt.romance from 1997)
ReadingsNOTFree
RGSoft1 (About 20 articles in alt.hypnosis from 1996)
RUAGymnast
Rules4Men
SeeFutures (1 article in alt.romance from 1997)
SingIeMDom
SingleMDom
Snodgrassme...@aol.com
SmartPsych
TheRevolt (About 100 articles in rec.gambling.sports from 1997)
TheRevolt2 (1 article in rec.gambling.sports from 1997)
TheWeakestLinkUR
Teiubesc
Telubesc
The12thRse (2 articles in rec.gambling.sports and soc.singles from1997)
UnChainDM
URDomIKnow
WinAtBett...@aol.com - Thanks to Yoder, from yoderanium.com
WhizardRay (About 220 articles in alt.hypnosis from 1996)
WhizzMedia (About 40 articles in alt.hypnosis from 1997)
WizFlyAway
WorshipDom
XILoveDom
Ray's E-mail addresses at Mindspring

Sotwa...@Mindspring.com (Cancelled in February 1998. Main account with his
name.
Posted under names Penny Parker & Walter Parker too. Over one thousand
articles in
a.s.gymnastics and several newsgroups about gambling and romance)

UnitedF...@mindspring.com (Used by Walter Parker to advertise Ray's
"incredible
knowledge" in betting)
Ray's e-mail addresses on other ISPs

DJNBlows...@my-dejanews.com
DJNSucks...@my-dejanews.com
pennw...@internetmci.com
r...@VALUEWEB.NET
r...@cybersheet.com
cavema...@nni.com

Ray's brother Walter Parker and his mom Penny Parker also use his
"sotwa...@mindspring.com" E-mail address.

Walter also uses:

On AOL

Walthorse1
MusixMax25
PennWorld

And

UnitedF...@mindspring.com
Wallyho...@hotmail.com.

If you find any new ones, please email them to rayi...@email.com
What AOL member profiles does he have?

Here are AOL profiles we received via e-mail. If you see new profiles,
please email them to rayi...@email.com

Profile changes sometimes indicate an upcoming meltdown; his "A Modern
Caveman"
profile as of 11:00 pm EST 1/12/03 is:

Name: Ray Gordon. Quote of the day: "I am far too enamored of women in
general to
make the mistake of loving one in particular."
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Sex: Male
Marital Status: World's greatest lover
Hobbies & Interests: Teaching men how to use their brains to get women into
bed,
teaching women how to avoid the men I teach; exploring erotic hypnosis with
(VERY)
beautiful women, and selling recordings of my best student (see AOL
website).
Proving God/Jesus to be a phony.
Favorite Gadgets: Men: beautiful women are easy to figure out. Check out my
AOL
homepage for THREE FREE BOOKS to solve your problems.
Occupation: Publisher, erotic hypnosis producer (MP3), seducer. Psychic (NO
FREEBIES). Hunger-striking civil-rights activist.
Personal Quote: No more free love life readings for women: women who have
problems in
love are either too ugly to attract the perfect guy or too stupid to
recognize him.
A man must learn to be that jerk that women love.
Hometown HomePage: http://hometown.aol.com/amoderncaveman/

Here is a profile that shows some serious issues.

ReadingsNOTFree
Name: You get what you pay for.
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Sex: Male
Marital Status: 18 Year-Old Contortionist
Hobbies & Interests: did you know...100 percent of pretty women who know
hypnosis can
seduce a wealthy man!
Favorite Gadgets: Venture capitalists are IDIOTS. They sunk billions into
the dotcom
graveyard and YOU paid for it in the stock market.
Occupation: Professional psychic to WEALTHY individuals (they aren't
cheap!). The
rest of you bums will just have to do without me.
Personal Quote: Don't IM me unless you are 1) a paying client; 2) a sexy
female who
wants to learn h ypnosis; or 3) a sexy female venture-capitalist who wants
to learn.....

Lately, he's only been on as MenSleepForMe; sometimes has his AIM
"AModernCaveman"
name on, but not the actual AOL name.

As of 10/09/2002:

Name: Ray Gordon: teacher of hypnosis to "Hellen" (Hypnotist20F).
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Sex: Male Marital
Status: World's greatest lover
Hobbies & Interests: Teaching men how to use their brains to get women into
bed,
teaching women how to avoid the men I teach; exploring erotic hypnosis with
(VERY)
beautiful women, and selling recordings of my best student (see AOL
website). Proving
God/Jesus to be a phony.
Favorite Gadgets: Men: beautiful women are easy to figure out. Check out my
AOL
homepage for THREE FREE BOOKS to solve your problems.
Occupation: Publisher, erotic hypnosis producer (MP3), seducer. Psychic (NO
FREEBIES). Hunger-striking civil-rights activist.
Personal Quote: Men are jerks because jerks get sex. It's easier for a man
to become
a jerk and get sex that way than it is for him to convince a woman to want
him when
he's nice. The complaining nice guy is a wimp; the jerk who uses women is a
stud.
Hometown HomePage: http://hometown.aol.com/amoderncaveman/

As of early morning Tuesday (11/19/02):

"Men Sleep For Me"

Name: Hellen or Ray Gordon, and if you're not a paying customer, Hellen
usually won't
talk to you (she only makes money on sales)
Location: USA
Sex: Female
Marital Status: Single Hypnodomme
Hobbies & Interests: Hypnotizing and feminizing men (and sometimes women) by
**recording only**. Check out my AOL homepage for info about my erotic
hypnosis
recordings. D/s bdsm domme erotic hypnosis and all that.
Favorite Gadgets: Pendants, candles, spirals, my eyes....hypnopics on my
site.
Occupation: Erotic hypnotist, recordings only. Legal secretary, paralegal,
litigation support, law office consulting. Psychic Readings--Ray
Personal Quote: As the numbers get lower, your mind gets slower and you slip
peacefully and quickly into a deep, sound, obedient sleep!
Hometown HomePage: http://hometown.aol.com/mensleepforme/

"A Modern Caveman":

Name: Ray Gordon
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Sex: Male
Marital Status: World's greatest lover
Hobbies & Interests: Teaching men how to use their brains to get women into
bed,
teaching women how to avoid the men I teach; exploring erotic hypnosis with
(VERY)
beautiful women, and selling recordings of my best student (see AOL
website).
Proving God/Jesus to be a phony.
Favorite Gadgets: Men: beautiful women are easy to figure out. Check out my
AOL
homepage for THREE FREE BOOKS to solve your problems.
Occupation: Author, internet publisher, erotic hypnosis producer, seducer of
beautiful women who inspire me. Psychic (NO FREEBIES).
Personal Quote: Looking for a phone actress who is willing to learn erotic
hypnosis
(good pay if you're good enough after you are trained. Inquire within).
Also
seeking (VERY) beautiful women to hypnotize. Will honestly rate your pic
1-10; I
only date 9s and above.
Hometown HomePage: http://hometown.aol.com/amoderncaveman/

Profile for "Men Sleep For Me" as of 11/15/02:

Name: Hellen or Ray Gordon, who screens pets for me, for my safety. Treat
him as you
would me. Either one of us could be on.
Location: USA
Sex: Female
Marital Status: Single Hypnodomme
Hobbies & Interests: Hypnotizing and feminizing men (and sometimes women) by
**recording only**. Check out my AOL homepage for info about my erotic
hypnosis
recordings. D/s bdsm domme erotic hypnosis and all that.
Favorite Gadgets: Pendants, candles, spirals, my eyes....hypnopics on my
site.
Occupation: Erotic hypnotist, recordings only. Legal secretary, paralegal,
litigation support, law office consulting. Psychic Readings--Ray
Personal Quote: As the numbers get lower, your mind gets slower and you slip
peacefully and quickly into a deep, sound, obedient sleep!
Hometown HomePage: http://hometown.aol.com/mensleepforme/

AOL profile for "A Modern Caveman" (October 26, 2002)

Name: Ray Gordon
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Sex: Male
Marital Status: World's greatest lover
Hobbies & Interests: Teaching men how to get beautiful women, erotic
hypnosis on
beautiful women (if you're seriously into this, be female, gorgeous, IN MY
AREA, and
willing to talk offline, must send pic and phone number before I talk to
you). NO
ONLINE CHAT.
Favorite Gadgets: Men: beautiful women are easy to figure out. Check out my
AOL
homepage for THREE FREE BOOKS to solve your problems.
Occupation: Author, internet publisher, erotic hypnosis producer, seducer of
beautiful women who inspire me.
Personal Quote: A beautiful woman says she wants a nice guy, yet winds up
with a
lying player. Do you think this is an accident? She can attract any man
she wants,
so either she's lying about what she wants, or she's too stupid to find it.
Be the
"jerk" women love!
Hometown HomePage: http://hometown.aol.com/amoderncaveman/

AOL profile for "A Modern Caveman" (October 5, 2002)

Member Name: 21st Century Caveman: president of the World Hypnodomme
Foundation (WHF)
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Sex: Male
Marital Status: I'm your favorite mistake.
Hobbies: Rocking the world of the world's hottest women (but not online).
Lamer of
the year award: women who come on strong online and then suddenly realize
it's AOL
when you ask for their #; don't bother, ladies.
Computers: Re: voice actresses, singers and voiceover experience preferred.
Occupation: Erotic hypnosis producer. Seeking a woman with a VERY SEXY
VOICE to make
hypnosis recordings. No hypnosis experience required.
Personal Quote: Note to nice guys who want to figure out women or women who
want to
figure out themselves: click the link in my AOL profile for a full
explanation of why
women choose jerks over decent men. Three FREE books on the art of seducing
women.
Hometown HomePage: http://hometown.aol.com/amoderncaveman/

AOL profile for "A Modern Caveman" (October 2, 2002)

Member Name: 21st Century Caveman: president of the World Hypnodomme
Foundation (WHF)
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Sex: Male
Marital Status: I'm your favorite mistake.
Hobbies: I like really beautiful women who like me back. Not into long-term
relationships or commitment. I don't spend money on women and prefer
short-term
relationships.
Computers: Re: voice actresses, singers and voiceover experience preferred.
Occupation: Erotic hypnosis producer. Seeking a woman with a VERY SEXY
VOICE to make
hypnosis recordings. No hypnosis experience required.
Personal Quote: Never again is what you swore the time before.
Hometown HomePage: http://hometown.aol.com/amoderncaveman/

AOL profile for A Modern Caveman (Undated)

Member Name: 21st Century Caveman: president of the World Hypnodomme
Foundation (WHF)
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Only losers look for love online
Hobbies: I used to feel sorry for women who wound up with the wrong men, but
then I
realized that women don't want to find good men. Even when you tell them
how the
liars get them, the women STILL respond to the methods. That means women
LIKE liars.
Computers: If nice guys knew what women really thought of them, they
wouldn't stay
nice. (see my AOL website)
Occupation: Psychic (NO FREE READINGS), paralegal, publisher, and I teach
women the
fine artistic fusion of bellydance and hypnosis.
Personal Quote: Ladies: you have to make a choice between me and the jerks
and the
players. If you talk to me, you're not allowed to talk to them, and if you
talk to
them, I won't bother talking to you. You're allowed to be rude to me
exactly once.
Hometown HomePage: http://hometown.aol.com/amoderncaveman/

Note: This is one we received from a kind soul on AOL. We choose not to
identify this
person, because we believe that Ray will harass them over this. We've seen
it before,
and we know it will happen again. We protect our sources.

Member Name: 21st Century Caveman
Location: East Coast
Sex: Male
Marital Status: I have a female pet; she obeys
Hobbies: I teach men how to seduce beautiful women, and do free psychic
readings
online for hotties (inquire within), and you will NOT be hit on.
Computers: Golddiggers: learn how to seduce men through MlND CONTROL: IM me
for
details if you're hot and over 18.
Occupation: Psychic. Women: you can contact me for a FREE READING if you're
hot and
can prove it. Men: IM me to learn to seduce women FREE.
Personal Quote: Whoever said not to cry over spilt milk didn't have
wall-to-wall
carpeting.
Hometown HomePage: http://hometown.aol.com/amoderncaveman/

Here's another version of this one, submitted by the same kind soul:

Member Name: 21st Century Caveman
Location: East Coast
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Be a bellydancer or learn
Hobbies: Choroegraphing bellydancers, middle eastern dancers, to perform a
very
sensual form of mind control. Also h-ypnotism.
Computers: Note to women: if you aren't gorgeous, between the ages of 18-24,
AND
willing to let me mold you, DO NOT TALK TO ME. Clear?
Occupation: Psychic. LOW Rates. Check my AOL website for details. Also
bellydane/mind-control dance instructor. NO FREE READINGS
Personal Quote: H-ypnotists and bellydancers NEVER complain about their love
lives.
They make other women complain.
Hometown HomePage: http://hometown.aol.com/amoderncaveman/

We would like to point out the myriad misspellings and other grammar errors.
Some
secretarial skills this took to write...

Here are some older profiles showing his obsession with gymnastics,
hypnosis, and
finance.

Member Name: Ray Gordon: odds are you've heard some lies about me if you are
a
gymnast. These lies are told by your coaches, because they
Location: fear me. The coaches in USAG do not know how to do their jobs, and
when I
point this out to their girls, they attack me. Your career goes down the
drain as a
result.
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Single Coach
Hobbies: Are you a 2004 hopeful who wants to WIN? Not gonna happen in this
country
with the coaches we have. Sure, you'll win some junior meets, and they'll
tell you
how great you are going to be, but the Slavs will still eat you alive.
Computers: Do you want to WIN? I need the TEN best gymnasts for 2004 to
stand up
against their coaches and demand better coaching.
Occupation: Do you have the COURAGE to stop idiot, abusive coaches? As a
TEAM, this
can be done. Just say "Let Ray coach me or I QUIT!"
Personal Quote: If your coach or any other coach tells you not to listen to
me, MAKE
them PROMISE you an olympic medal. Think they can deliver? Look at the 2000
team for
your answer. We SUCK.

Member Name: Pxykick (can you figure out what that means?)
Location: AOL
Birthdate: Capricorn 31
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Not Married or Engaged
Hobbies: Hypnosis, astrology, computers, bodybuilding, inline skating,chess,
politics, activism, making a difference. Also teaching the art of seduction
to men
and the art of hypnosis to women.
Computers: Me: 6'2", blond hair, blue eyes, 180#, bodybuilder, very good
looking and
intelligent.
Occupation: http://www.cybersheet.com, an evolving web site. I also charge
$60 an
hour for my time for ANYTHING. That means YOU.
Personal Quote: Do not bother me for ANY reason unless you are willing to
PAY me up
front. If I contact you I will not solicit you; if not I do not wish to
speak with
you. I have better things to do with my time than waste it.

Previous profile of Pxykick:
Member Name: Pxykick (can't you read the screen name?)
Location: AOL
Birthdate: Capricorn 31
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Not Married or Engaged
Hobbies: Hypnosis, astrology, computers, bodybuilding, inline skating,chess,
politics, activism, making a difference. Also teaching the art of seduction
to men
and the art of hypnosis to women.
Computers: Me: 6'2", blond hair, blue eyes, 180#, bodybuilder, very good
looking and
intelligent.
Occupation: Psychic, Hypnotist, "Power Hypnosis" website for hypnotists who
sell
power hypnosis tapes. Also seeking a REALLY good laywer.
Personal Quote: NOTE: I am sorry, but due to a slander campaign against me,
I cannot
accept any new people into my life. If I do not already know and trust you,
I cannot
speak with you. Visit this website:
(http://members.tripod.com/~rayfaq/index.html)
for more info

Previous profile of Pxykick:
Member Name: Pxykick (can't you read the screen name?)
Location: AOL
Birthdate: Capricorn 31
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Not Married or Engaged
Hobbies: Hypnosis, astrology, computers, bodybuilding, inline skating,chess,
politics, activism, making a difference. Also teaching the art of seduction
to men
and the art of hypnosis to women.
Computers: Me: 6'2", blond hair, blue eyes, 180#, bodybuilder, very good
looking and
intelligent.
Occupation: Psychic, Hypnotist, building "Power Hypnosis" website for
hypnotists who
sell power hypnosis tapes. Inquire within.
Personal Quote: I charge $50 an hour for psychic readings. Most other
psychics
charge more and deliver less. I would never solicit you for money, so
please don't
solicit me for free work. It's highly offensive and akin to taking food out
of my mouth.

Previous profile of Pxykick:
Member Name: Pxykick (can't you read the screen name?)
Location: AOL
Birthdate: Capricorn 31
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Not Engaged or Married
Hobbies: Hypnosis, astrology, computers, bodybuilding, inline skating,chess,
politics, activism, making a difference.
Computers: Me: 6'2", blond hair, blue eyes, 180#, bodybuilder, very good
looking and
intelligent.
Occupation: http://www.cybersheet.com is my primary occupation. It's a free
site that
loves a big audience so feel free to visit. Personal Quote:If you are not
part of the
solution, you are part of the problem. I have a preference for dancers and
hypnotists
among females, but I chat with most. Approach me politely please.

Member Name: Pxychic
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Birthdate:1/6/67
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Single
Hobbies: Teaching beautiful women the art of using hypnosis to control men.
Dead
serious. Also keeping the mouse where all I have to do to get rid of those
unwanted
invites is click once.
Computers: Physical description: 6'2", blond hair, blue eyes, 195#
Occupation: Professional psychic, Spirit Guide, astrologer, past life
regressionist.
Free horoscopes at my website http://www.cybersheet.com
Personal Quote: Seeking females with skill or interest in hypnosis18-24
years of age
to teach for free in return for their practice. Inquire within. Other women
LEAVE ME
ALONE. No free psychic readings either.

Member Name: ITrainFHyp
Location: Trancelvania
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Self-Hypnosis
Hobbies: I cannot be hypnotized; but I teach it.
Occupation: Trainer of dominant female hypnotists
Personal Quote: Learn from me; practice on others.

Here's a profile where Ray is posing as a lawyer. Note that he is attempting
to
mislead people into thinking that he is an attorney, given that he says "we
can
practice anywhere". If this isn't attempting to mislead people into thinking
he's
actually an attorney, then we're Miss America. This profile was canned by
AOL some
time ago, but it serves to show that Gordon Roy Parker will stop at nothing
to
convince people that he is something he's not.

WeSueOnTheNet4U
Name: A global internet legal network with specific interest in internet
defamation
cases and general interest in justice and service.
Location: Based in Pennsylvania, but we can practice anywhere or find
someone who can.
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Single
Hobbies & Interests: Many good ones when I have time. Keywords: slander,
ISP
negligence, personal injury, product liability, constitutional law, Gore,
Bush,
McCain, Reform, Democrat, congress, washington, DC, Clinton,
Favorite Gadgets: Keywords: law, free, contingency, pro bono, attorney,
attorneys,
barrister, lawyer, pitbull, internet, libel, defamation,
Occupation: Author: "Defamation And Dominique" http://www.cybersheet.com/l
aw/dominique.html (<---remove space). Also legal webmaster.
Personal Quote: If you have a case, feel free to contact us via e-mail or
IM.
Confidentiality respected. Also seeking lawyers worldwide to participate in
the network.

Here are some older profiles. These are undated.

Member Name: MoneyWhizz
Location: Wall Street, Vegas, New York....wherever the MONEY is.
Birthdate: 1967
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Single
Hobbies: Making MONEY, investing, gambling, seducing beautiful women with my
mind,
WINNING.
Computers: A very powerful one.
Occupation: Investment Guru. For my FREE advice go to
http://www.cybersheet.com/finance
Personal Quote: Looking for a nice woman to settle down with and
marry.....is she out
there?

Member Name: R.G. (ChessRay)
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Women are liars.
Hobbies: Exposing the bullies and liars here on AOL. Expert 10 meter
platform diver.
Computers: Do you really care. I use one like you use.
Occupation: Software entrepreneur. Successful business owner. Net
genius.Chess coach.
Personal Quote: You know who you are. The end is coming and you are to
blame.

Member Name: Ray (Chessgym)
Location: You've Got a Friend in Pennsylvania
Sex: Male
Marital Status: I will never marry. Women lie.
Hobbies: I am a chess tutor and world class gymnastics trainer.
Computers: I have worked with all the top gymnasts in the world.
Occupation: I will be the best at whatever I decide I will do.
Personal Quote: There will be absolutely no sex. I said NO SEX! No matter
how much
you beg and whine.

NoSexxDom:
Member Name: There will be NO SEX (you will not be having sex with a 6'2",
blond,
blue-eyed muscular male who weighs 180#)
Location: No matter how beautiful you are, there will be NO SEX
Birthdate: In My Prime
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Dominant, Seeking Gorgeous Subs
Hobbies: Nonsexual control of the most beautiful women on the planet;who
needs another?
Computers: One that does not cyber. SUBS: Do NOT expect kindness from me.
Do NOT
expect me to cater to you. This is d/s, not b/s.
Occupation: If I didn't have one I wouldn't be here, now would I?
Personal Quote: Looking for incredibly beautiful women who are submissive or
have
fantasized about being totally controlled by a dominant male. E-mail with a
picture
of yourself or a telphone number (BOTH are required). Ignore my requirements
and I
will ignore your IM.

Previous profile of NoSexxDom:
Member Name: There will be NO SEX (you will not be having sex with a 6'2",
blond,
blue-eyed muscular male who weighs 180#)
Location: No matter how beautiful you are, there will be NO SEX
Birthdate: I remember music videos on MTV
Sex: Male
Marital Status: In Control
Hobbies: No matter how much I want you, there will be NO SEX
Computers: That means NONE. You will never have to worry about me asking you
for sex.
Occupation: Professional psychic, astrologer, hypnotist. Seeking to control
beautiful
women NONSEXUALLY. Inquire within.
Personal Quote: I have a strong preference for women with a dance/gymnastics
and/or
hypnosis background. Send a pic and/or phone # if you really want my
attention.

Great Gymn Coach
Member Name: Ray Gordon: odds are you've heard some lies about me if you are
a
gymnast. These lies are told by your coaches, because they
Location: fear me. The coaches in USAG do not know how to do their jobs, and
when I
point this out to their girls, they attack me. Your career goes down the
drain as a
result.
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Single Coach
Hobbies: Are you a 2004 hopeful who wants to WIN? Not gonna happen in this
country
with the coaches we have. Sure, you'll win some junior meets, and they'll
tell you
how great you are going to be, but the Slavs will still eat you alive.
Computers: Do you want to WIN? I need the TEN best gymnasts for 2004 to
stand up
against their coaches and demand better coaching.
Occupation: Do you have the COURAGE to stop idiot, abusive coaches? As a
TEAM, this
can be done. Just say "Let Ray coach me or I QUIT!"
Personal Quote: If your coach or any other coach tells you not to listen to
me, MAKE
them PROMISE you an olympic medal. Think they can deliver? Look at the 2000
team for
your answer. We SUCK.
How many people has he driven off of the Internet?

The count is up to 5 already. The latest one wrote this article as a
goodbye:

* Due to situations I can no longer handle...I am canceling my AOL
account. I am
sorry that I am letting one psychotic man drive me away from a huge source
of
information, but it has come down to that! I no longer feel I am safe. I
have tried
to get the gymnastics community to bond together and free each other from
this
satanic person but it doesn't look like we can do it and I sure cant do it
alone...This brings me great grief because I loved to come and talk about
the sport I
love with others who have my same passion but sometimes things just don't
work out.
Well, I hope everyone stays away from this man. Because if you like
gymnastics then
you are a very possible target! I can name at least 5 people in this NG who
he has
personally harassed and I am SICK of it! I have been told by certain
authorities to
just get away from this situation which I am doing. Again, this is hard for
me
because I feel I am obligated to take up for my idol, companion, and friend,
Dominique Moceanu. But you have to draw the line somewhere. I just want to
give a
final shout-out to all the Anti-Rays' out there before I leave...Goodbye:
Dave,
Kristy, Nancy, Missy, Kevin, Erin, Jay, Mark, Lissa, Mrs. Borden, Steph, and
Abby! I
wish you all the best!!! To anyone I may have left out, sorry. This is Katy
signing
off...

This was posted on alt.sports.gymnastics later because Ray promised the
writer to
stop if she would write this:

* Hi there was a post that I wrote a long time ago and it stated that
Ray drove
me off AOL. I really was contemplating getting rid of it because of him.
Fortunately
I changed my mind and decided it was too much a learning tool to just ditch
it. So,
Ray I apologize for posting that. Everyone he did NOT drive me off AOL. He
is not as
bad as everyone thinks he is if you just learn to accept other people's
views and
opinions. No, I do not like what he says but I have faith in Dominique and
know that
what he says is not true. If you can get past his twisted stories. (no
offense) =)
then he can really be nice, most of the time. Well, again Ray I am PUBLICLY
apologizing for my post and DENYING my quote (which I didn't know
about,btw.) on
RayFaq or whatever. Thank you.
Katy
P.S- next time someone wants to quote me on a webpage I would like to
at least
be notified. Thanks again!

There have been at least two others that this Author knows of, but neither
wanted to
post anything, and asked that their emails be kept confidential for fear
that Ray
would sue them, as he always threatens to do. There also have been at least
four
other posters to alt.seduction.fast who no longer post, and no one has been
able to
get in contact with them to find out why. It is an odd coincidence, that
they stopped
soon after Ray began a tirade over his alleged lawsuits to file "Civil RICO"
charges
against some of these persons. We're not suggesting in any way that they
actually
were involved in such activities, but it lends to speculation that these
people did
not want to have to go through the hassle of dealing with a frivolous
lawsuit, and
all the expense and time that it would incur, given Ray's propensity and
demonstrated
history of filing harrasment lawsuits. -

[Mr.Trust]

Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:40:01 +0200
From: Mr Brown <br...@green.org>
Subject: Ray Gordon FAQ - Part II

Disclaimer:
The following is reproduced under "Fair Use"
Do NOT distribute for commercial gain.

Part II
Information about "Ray Gordon", the fictitious internet pseudonym used by
Gordon Roy
Parker.

This site contains information about Ray Gordon, a dangerous harasser who

abuses
usenet newsgroups. Some recent email addresses were variations of The
Seduction
Library coming from AOL accounts, Prior to that he was posting from
variations of
ray__gor...@juno.com or outfoxf...@juno.com but it is likely that since he
spammed so
many newsgroups using Juno headers, that he was finally banned from their
system
somehow. Ray also seems to have been TOSsed from AOL as he no longer can
post to

usenet from AOL. At the moment his email addresse are: "Ray Gordon, GENIUS"

r...@cybersheet.com and cavema...@nni.com. The posting host he is currently
using is
Altopia.net, or alt.net. In any case, it is well known that he uses several
screen
names at the same time. If you are new to the alt.sports.gymnastics,
alt.romance,
soc.singles, soc.men, soc.women, rec.sports.gambling or alt.seduction.fast

newsgroups, please read through these documents.
Part II

Examples of harassing and slander from Ray
Examples of Ray's posts to various newsgroups (click on group name below)

alt.hypnosis
alt.romance
alt.seduction.fast
alt.sports.gymnastics
rec.sports.gambling
Multiple Cross-posts

Comments from Ray regarding the Terrorist attacks on the WTC
Editor's Note: These have been moved to their own page
Examples of specific threats from Ray
Examples of harassing and slander from Ray

Ray wrote this when someone wrote an article about gymnast Hilary
Grivich,who died in
a car crash:

* May she rot in hell like the rest of them. I mean, she would have
hated me
right? ALL Elite gymnasts hate me...so I hate Hilary, and to her parents, I
LAUGH. I
may be a loser with no job(actually, I own a business and work TWO jobs, but
don't
let the facts get in the way of your attack), but at least I'm ALIVE.

Hilary is not alive. By the standards of accomplishment, I'm way
ahead of her.

And when the target of Ray's "Evil Female Hypnotist"-alert ignored
Ray'sravings:

* Subject: Re: Golddigging EFH Alert (Ja...@aol.com)
From: ask...@hotmail.com
Date: 1998/03/19
Message-ID: <6ercb0$c4...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis

In article <1998031904061101.XAA18...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
ja...@aol.com (Jadea) wrote:
>
> >To think
>
> >is foolish.
>
> >I see no reason
>
> >and
>
> > I should have no difficulty
>
> >under the supervision of a QUALIFIED
>
> >alien
>
> > to remain
>
> >stupid.
>
>

Those were the vows from your first wedding ceremony, right
HypnoWHORE?

I see from your invitation to this NG to hangout that your ability to
pick
those you allow into your life hasn't improved a bit.

Guys, I can teach you how to seduce this woman. Anyone who wants the
key feel
free to e-mail me. It would be my PLEASURE to help you learn how her mind
REALLY ticks.

These are some from his countless articles bashing gymnast Dominique
Moceanu:

* Subject: Dominique Moceanu Is A Criminal #1 of Infinity
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 00:29:46 -0600
From: RayGordon...@hotmail.com
Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion
Message-ID: <6im84a$f...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.205.203.157
Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics

Until the bashing of me stops, I will continue to post the reason I
am annoyed
with that creature.

She is a criminal. She has broken the law. I have been told this
directly by
those who broke the law for her.

The more people post, the more I will respondthis way. In fact,
every time
someone posts against me, I will simply respond with the reason for their
post, which
is this:

Dominique Moceanu Is A Criminal.

Ray has posted several articles like the previous one. Here's what he wrote
when
someone wanted to talk sense into him:

* Subject: Dominique Moceanu Is A Criminal #7 of INFINITY
From: RayGordon...@hotmail.com
Date: 1998/05/05
Message-ID: <6imu0h$r1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics

RayGordon...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> These posts will keep coming until she comes clean about hacking me
offline
> and having people harass me on her behalf.
>
> Make no mistake: Dominique Moceanu is a criminal.
>
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GEEZ! This child you keep ranting on about, is in high school, and
then trains
20+ hours a week. When do you think she has the time to plot and set up all
of these
sinister little activities. Take your meds, Ray. Dominique Moceanu does not
know you,
does not care about you and wouldn't waste her breath uttering your name.
GET A CLUE
AND A LIFE!

<------I have a clue and a life, and please don't quit your day job.
Dominique
and the rest of the Mag 7 were in the Gymnastics Chat Room on AOL almost
every night
during the John Hancock Tour in 1996. It was in that chat room that they
formed an
alliance with a group of computer hackers who carried out their wishes to
harass,threaten, insult, discredit and TOS anyone who dared criticize them.
In return
for these favors, the hackers were given access to the gymnasts.

Make no mistake: Dominique Moceanu is a CRIMINAL.

Here he begs Dominique Moceanu to sue him:

* Subject: Dominique is NOT a Virgin
From: dmisahu...@aol.com (DMIsAHussy)
Date: 1997/11/15
Message-ID: <19971115091001.EAA22...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics

Not by a longshot.

(One of) her boyfriend(s) is a track star named Dominqiue Kirsch, who
likes to
joke that DM = Does Me. He seduced her over the last year and has hooked up
with her
many times. I also heard rumblings that she was quite the busy one in
Boston......I
know she's not allowed to have a boyfriend, but I guess girls will be girls.
Apparently, not only is she not the prude everyone thinks, but she's quite
experienced.

Now this sounds like a slanderous article. Please, let her sue me. I
DARE her
to sue me and clear this one. In fact, if she DOESN'T sue me for this I'd
say it's
tacit approval of what I am writing here, don't you think? Come on,
Dominique, I hear
you calling me a liar all the time, do it publicly or keep your mouth SHUT.
Uh,
that's when you aren't busy doing other things with it!

The boyfriend she dates, Kirsch, is not a verynice guy. He's a
computer hacker
who has access to AOL's internal billing records and can terminate the
accounts of
anyone he doesn't like. He also deals drugs. This is what the REAL Dominique
does.
Dmitri, can't you raise your little girl properly? She's a little slut and a
whore
from what I hear, and I hear it from all over.

Did you guys see her costume the other night? She looked like some
girls I
know who have four kids by the time they are 20! Then again, what do you
expect from
people who choose to sell their bodies for hacking favors to drug dealers.
Man, this
would be libel if it weren't true and met the other standards, wouldn't it?
Don't
hold your breath for a lawsuit, though.

You want to call me a liar? Go ahead. I know I'm not. I gave out FIVE
of her
screen names, and the sixth was given out shortly after on AOL. She'll get
new SN's
and I will get them again and again. Why am I posting this? Three reasons:

1. Dominique had this scumbag of a boyfriend ofhers hack me offline,
costing
me a year in business and about $50,000;

2. Dominique and her friends told many lies about me and harmed my
professional reputation; I had the opportunity to coach close to a dozen
olympic-bound gymnasts and lost that because of her lies and those of her
friends and
fans.

3. I'm sick of being called a liar by people who don't have a clue
about the
truth.

The ONLY person who can call me a liar here is Dominique herself, in
a libel
suit, and I'd be happy to defend it. You can believe what ever you want; I'm
through
showing even an ounce of respect for that little ARROGANT SLUT.

You said you wanted the truth about Dominique? You just got it. Have
fun. Hope
you wanted what you got the way you gotwhat you wanted.

another one:

* Subject: Dominique is a Spoiled, Selfish, Phony,Overrated, Washed-Up
Gymnast
From: sotwa...@mindspring.com (Ray Gordon)
Date: 1997/12/23
Message-ID: <34a03477.164117...@news.mindspring.com>
Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics

That she is. She will NOT be going to Sydney.

She also lacks morals, ethics, or character, and is a liar.

And another one:

* Subject: Dominique is WASHED-UP
From: sotwa...@mindspring.com (Ray Gordon)
Date: 1997/12/23
Message-ID: <34a0355c.164347...@news.mindspring.com>
Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics

I just couldn't resist.

She weakens her gymnastics so badly that it makes her performances
such an
inviting target for criticism. She is raping the sport she supposedly loves
for every
dollar she can milk from it and is no longer a true competitor or a
champion, or any
kind of meaningful threat to win a meaningful international meet.

In other words, she is DONE.

DM = Done Medaling

And one more:

* Subject: Re: GO AWAY RAY
From: sotwa...@mindspring.com (Ray Gordon)
Date: 1998/01/02
Message-ID: <34acf5c1.96584...@news.mindspring.com>
Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics

tumble...@aol.com (Tumble 381) wrote:

>* That is a free speech issue, not a gymnastics issue. *
>
>Maybe so, but THIS, my friend, is a GYMNASTICS newsgroup.

Yes, it is. But I have the right to say what ever I want out here,
and
I will.

Like this: Dominique Moceanu is a lying slut.

This one shows how obsessed he is:

* Subject: Re: to pxychic: about beautiful women
From: pxyc...@aol.com (Pxychic)
Date: 1998/02/02
Message-ID: <19980202234601.SAA05...@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.romance

Some Guy Writes:

Pxychic if you are such the man why don't you post pictures of women
you
consider to be hot. I mean we are all dying to know what you consider to be
beautiful
or not.

<-----Check out the 1996 Olympic Games from Atlanta. Then check out a
diver
named Amy Buehl. She is my definition of physical perfection, and would now
be 19 or
20 years old. I can already tell you that I would like to sleep with her.
This is how
most men make up their minds about women, by the way. My primal side,
however, has
been overruled by my practical side, because there is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE I
will
ever get to have sex with Ms. Buehl. Actually, the odds are slightly above
infinitesmal. But yes she is the most beautiful woman on earth, barnone.
Also the
sexiest. The only thing that is lacking is that she does not return my
feelings for
her, but of course she does not know me.

And that is the horrible thing about beautiful women: their beauty is
a source
of pleasure only to the man they happen to be having sex with; to every
other man,
they are a source of heart break.You think Amy cares about what I think of
her? Ha!
She doesn't! She's off dating some European kickboxer named Serge or some
jock or guy
with a lot of money or jock with a lot of money. The only way I can ever get
someone
like her is to kick my CUPID rating over 90, which would require that I be a
multimillionaire, part-time bodybuilder, and great dresser. I might even
have to be
NICE. But being nice by itself wouldn't do crap so it's not worth investing
my time
in pursuit that won't work.

Guys, if there is an Amy Buehl on a lesser scale in your life, the
best thing
to do is ignore her completely while posturing yourself as attractively as
possible
to her. I have done this with Amyand completely ignored her (until now). So
far the
strategy is workingjust fine: I haven't made a fool out of myself to her,
and she
hasn't complained about me bothering her or not being able to take a hint. I
bet
there are about 500 other guys that Amy wishes knew what I knew and didn't
bother her
for dates.

To answer your question, Amy Buehl is the Queen of the Hot Babes. Her
physicality, and what she is capable of doing with it, is sacred. If you
don't
believe me, watch the tapes yourself. It was pure lust at first sight.

FREE horoscopes and a COOL romantic advice columnon our website!

http://www.cybersheet.com

And one from the romance-group:

* Subject: Seduction Made Easy
From: pxyk...@aol.com (Pxykick)
Date: 1998/02/26
Message-ID: <19980226134101.IAA11...@ladder02.news.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.romance

To all the guys (except the few who get laid):

Seduction is EASY.....not that I'd tell you how easy. Just keep
thinking it's
difficult, keep putting more and more energy into it and getting less and
less back,
oh, and make sure you keep asking women for advice on how to get what you
want. Women
are very good at telling a man what is good for him without paying any mind
to their
own agenda.

Have fun masturbating, losers.

And some ravings collected from his articles:

* <------No. Gymansts are selfish, spoiled, stuck-up, socially
unconscious
bitches who are absolutely worthless to humanity. And in America, they SUCK.
They
SUCK! Karpenko kicks BUTT. She'sa REAL gymnast. It's gonna be ugly at
Sydney, that's
for sure. DM="Done" Medaling.

Vanessa SUCKS, and while it's admirable of youto defend her, her
performance
doesn't lie. She's sloppy, undisciplined, ugly, stupid, lousy, poorly
coached, and
not a serious medal contender at Sydney. In other words, she's a typical
American
gymnasts.

Your words do absolutely nothing to change that.Sorry. Nessa BLOWS.

Here Ray wishes death at gymnasts and laughs at people dying. Also note that
he tries
to hide his postings from being archived at dejanews withthe "x-no-archive:
yes"-header.

* Subject: Re: May Lissa's Mom DIE PAINFULLY ANDROT IN HELL****
x-no-archive: yes
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:13:02 -0600
From: ray...@hotmail.com
Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion
Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics

x-no-archive: yes

****Disclaimer: I was discriminated against on the basis of gender
today and
told point-blank that this was the reason. Having been taunted by the
WHOREDENS and
by Lissa over this, I consider it only fair to return similar sentiments.
When I get
a full apology from Lissa, and from Dave, and his website and RayFAQ go
down, I will
CONSIDER changing my attitude.

Ray, first of all STOP CURSING, KIDS READ THIS TOO!! Dave, lol! HA
HAHA! dang!
oh shit! maaaaaan...! lol! hmmmaaaa! Ray's gonna sue you! looool!!!!
[laughing]
shit.... hire me as your lawyer. he he ha ha ha... loooll

<----Stop Cursing? FUCK YOU. FUCK GYMNAST WHORES TOO. They know
DAMN well
what goes on and what harmed me and they LAUGH at it. May they all do a
GOMEZ on
vault and have the ambulance do a GRIVICH on the way to the hospital if they
are
going to laugh at my career road blocks, sexual road blocks that they CLAIM
to
disapprove of...except when they need a job, so then it's okay to show a
little ass,
as long as the boss doesn't try to touch that ass. FUCK THEM. They're moral
GARBAGE!
They know it too; that's why they can't stand hearing it; if it weren't
true they
wouldn't care. They're good for ONE THING and ONE THING only, and they know
that too.
If they want me to be nice to them, let them undo a few years of damage and
apologize
for THEIR attitudes. They bring this shit on themselves with their
arrogance.
Spoiled BRATS.

You think my suing Dave and Dominique is a joke? Keep laughing.
Please. I'd
love it if you did. You want to be Dave's lawyer? Go right ahead. You
punks think
this is playtime; you're in for an awfully rude shock. I gave fair warning.
Dave(and Dominique through Dave) said "Go for it." I will. I'll go for
every last
ounce of gold that resides in both their scumbag pockets.

See, I was being a NICE GUY about this before. I decided not to be
NICE
anymore. I get really FUCKING PISSED OFFwhen people mock my pain, enough to
where I
start focusing my energy on THEIR pain. Lissa's pain. The pain of watching
her
mother die the same death my secretarial career died. Yes, that death. I
know what
it's like to watch something you love die. Watching my father die right in
front of
my eyes at age 12 wasn't as painful as watching women get sexually harassed
by their
bosses, but that was nothing compared to the pain of seeing women mock the
issue,
like it were okay, like they couldn't have the courage to do the right
thing.

Lissa, watch your mom fade away and think of mycareer, and then think
of the
fact that I can revive my career. Noone will be able to revive your mom. No
one.
She's DYING, and she's DYING slowly. Does she even remember your name
anymore? I
don't think so.....you think Dave's such a nice guy? I don't. Hedoes that
page for
you, Missy, Dominique, and all those wonderful girls who worship him. You
think he's
going to get away with it? He's not. If you want to see God's punishment for
your
treatment of me, watch it in your mom.

My last spell went to Jaycie's knees. She still competing? Nope.
The next
one goes to Lissa's mom. Note her condition today and see how she progresses
from
here. Don't mess with a psychic. After this one is done I'll start REALLY
wishing
for some Gomez action on the vault, and I'll start naming names and focusing
ALL of
my psychic energy on it.

Now remember, I was PROVOKED here. I'm actuallya very nice guy when
I'm not
provoked. Too bad all of you ASSHOLES, PUSSIES, SLUTS and WHORES never
bothered to
be CIVILIZED to me and see my good side. I'm just warming up now. I'm
through being
nice or even thinking nice of scum like that which populates this newsgroup.
Hack me
out of business will you? Remember that little profile stunt Lissa? Jesus
remembers
it. Watch your mom DIE and remember the time you hacked into my profile and
changed
it to say that I was a child predator. That's more punishment you'll be
getting from
God for your little stunt, you PATHETIC piece of GARBAGE. You pull some
SHIT like
that and call yourself a CHRISTIAN? Jesus doesn't think so, my dear....

Tell Dave I'll see him in court. Tell Lissa's mom I'll save her a
seat in
hell. Anyone who produces a piece of GARBAGE like Lissa doesn't deserve to
live well
or even to live. God is giving her what she deserves. Happy? You like
provoking
these responses out of me? You want them to stop? Tough shit. Being nice
doesn't
seem to matter to any of you, so it no longer matters to any of me.

And remember, I am only this way with those who DESERVE it.
Otherwise I'm the
nicest guy a person could ever know:-)

Becky Ruehl, wherever you are, have a rose
@>--------}-------------------

I need a pleasant thought to shut off this awful stream of poor
consciousness
that calls itself the gymnastics world.

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[Mr.Trust]

Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:40:30 +0200
From: Mr Brown <br...@green.org>
Subject: Ray Gordon FAQ - Part III

Disclaimer:
The following is reproduced under "Fair Use"
Do NOT distribute for commercial gain.

Part III

Information about "Ray Gordon", the fictitious internet pseudonym used by
Gordon Roy
Parker.

This site contains information about Ray Gordon, a dangerous harasser who

abuses
usenet newsgroups. Some recent email addresses were variations of The
Seduction
Library coming from AOL accounts, Prior to that he was posting from
variations of
ray__gor...@juno.com or outfoxf...@juno.com but it is likely that since he
spammed so
many newsgroups using Juno headers, that he was finally banned from their
system
somehow. Ray also seems to have been TOSsed from AOL as he no longer can
post to

usenet from AOL. At the moment his email addresse are: "Ray Gordon, GENIUS"

r...@cybersheet.com and cavema...@nni.com. The posting host he is currently
using is
Altopia.net, or alt.net. In any case, it is well known that he uses several
screen
names at the same time. If you are new to the alt.sports.gymnastics,
alt.romance,
soc.singles, soc.men, soc.women, rec.sports.gambling or alt.seduction.fast

newsgroups, please read through these documents.
Part III

Examples of weird articles from Ray
Examples of "sweet" articles from Ray

What have other people written about Ray?

Examples of weird articles from Ray

Ray has many times claimed to be Jesus. Here's some examples:

* <------------You seem to think I fear death. I fear death no more
than Jesus
did. I was Jesus in a past life, you see. That's how I know he wasn't
Christ. Note
that I will be 32 years old in 1999. I won't say more.

and:

* People have proven their eternal hatred for me. All I say in response
is
"There will be NO forgiveness." God sent me here obviously to uncover the
wrongs on
this planet and present them to people in a package that would require a
basic faith
in another human that apparently others are not willing to give. The people
who
preach this understanding are among those who have been the most cruel to
me.

If you want to guess who sent me to this planet or why, that is up to
you. But
all I will say is that humanity has been tested by this situation in ways
that it
couldn't imagine, and that it has failed that test at each and every turn.
You were
part of that process Erin, with your lies, as have everyone else who has
lied to
protect their interests at my expense. This world is not where the test
matters; it
was done for the next life. Apparently that test is over now because I have
gotten
the answer in no uncertain terms. You all said you'd hate me forever, right?
You have
spoken, and you have done so based on LIES.

Satan is what lies are, and God is what truth was. The Jesus you read
about
was hardly a pacifist in his day. Do you have any idea what he must have
been like in
his time to make people want to nail him to a cross? How many of today's
Christians
would have joined that feeding frenzy and killed him? Just about all, that's
how
many. Patty and Amanda would have talked about how unpopular he was, and had
they
seen him rise from the dead would have pretended that they didn't mean it.
That's
what I mean by Phony Christian.

This is an example of his craziness:

* Oh, and let's say someone did kill me. With the number of enemies I
have, the
investigation would be wide-sweeping, and ANYONE who posted negatively about
me would
be brought under suspicion, have their lives turned inside-out by the
police, and
have to deny ever meaning what they said. Their lives would be made a
nightmare, and
guess what? I would become the #1 topic of conversation on the internet,
with people
posting about me for YEARS and even DECADES on end about what would have
caused it.
You want to talk about hell? Make a martyr out of me and you would find a
punishment
worse than the death penalty, because I would literally NEVER go away as a
topic of
discussion, all the while I'd be resting in peace. I seriously doubt anyone
wants
that.....then of course there is the issue of the death penalty, which
Pennsylvania
has, and the notion that many people might be accessories to the crime. And
of
course, once I were "eliminated" I wouldn't be posting or angering anyone,
and those
in need of a cause would defend me, and all TOS would break loose.

Here's what he wrote about RayFAQ on alt.romance:

* Subject: Re: Protect yourself
From: pxyk...@aol.com (Pxykick)
Date: 1998/02/28
Message-ID: <19980228080601.DAA11...@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.romance

Subject: Re: Protect yourself
From: ya...@yadda.yadda (Young Man)
Date: Fri, Feb 27, 1998 14:32 EST
Message-id: <yadda-2702981332230...@fos080095.res-hall.nwu.edu>

In article <34F5F129.AE04B...@wolfram.com>, ka...@wolfram.com wrote:

> Creeeepy. Glad I read your FAQ. I thought he wasn't an especially
friendly
> person, but I didn't realize how scary he was, and here I was,
happily
> putting up with his insults to me and trying to comfort those he
insulted.
Sigh...

Yeah. The freak likes to play mind games and, as you probably have
found out,
is often a sore loser....

<--------Loser? At what? We aren't playing a game here. In America,
people
have the right to confront their accuser; I'm being denied that right on the
internet. A person with a true interest in justice would not tolerate that.
And you
can't lose when people win by CHEATING.

You aren't much of a man really. If I were to send to you a woman I
was with,
she'd laugh in your face, and you'd be begging her. But the reason I get
those women
in the first place is that I have DISCRETION. You get garbage bimbos who
can't see
through your posing. I pity them. The women I'm with even read everything
written
about me and know that it is false. One thing that "FAQ" does is weed
backstabbers
out of my life and document for God who is fair and just and who is not.

Believe me, God is watching this VERY closely. Take the wrong side
and there
will be a price to pay, just like with those who laughed at Jesus.

I don't know about you, but I don't want to burn in hell for all
eternity.
Those who don't wish to do that should reconsider their position on me
before it's
too late, because they have been warned. Try taking the tone with God that
you take
with me; go ahead, I dare you.

You NEVER know who might be Jesus in disguise testing you.....

Here's an article where he claims to be a PSYCHIC, and threatens anyone who
doesn't
treat him with respect and take him seriously.

From: sotwa...@mindspring.com (Ray Gordon)
Subject: Time to cast a spell
Date: 16 Dec 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <3496fd63.45890...@news.mindspring.com>
X-Server-Date: 16 Dec 1997 22:21:43 GMT
Reply-To: sotwa...@mindspring.com
Organization: ICN
Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics

I am a psychic. When I can't find justice any other way, I cast a spell.
Here's
another one:

I command the heavens to make this true: Any person who criticizes me from
this point
forward will experience the following:

1. If they have a child in gymnastics, that child will suffer a paralyzing
injury in
the gym;

2. If they do not have a child in gymnastics, their favorite gymnast will
suffer the
same injury.

I do this not to wish injury on anyone, but to tell the Gods that I have had
enough
of this criticism, andthat if my request in the name of God for people to
begin
looking at both sides of this story is not heeded, then I will ask God to
teach a
lesson to those who ignore my request.

Just so you know, I made a similar request regarding Tabitha a year ago, she
ignored
it, and her son wound up ill in the hospital for the entire summer. That is
when she
made her false allegations against me which have led to what you see here.

Anyone else want to try me? If I turn out to be right, you will have no one
to blame
but yourselves.

Don't mess with a psychic.

--

Folks, nobody could make this up!

Here is an example of how Ray likes to try to diminish the credibility of
those who
post from anon accounts, (just like he does) conveniently forgetting what he
does to
those who point out the problems with his posts.

Subject: Re: Anti-Supplication? This is COPYRIGHT 1987
Date: 07 Aug 2001 10:01:41 GMT
From: betforaliv...@aol.com (Bet For A Living)
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References: 1

If you are new to the group, ask yourself whether you trust someone
ANONYMOUS or
someone with a traceable website.

This person has been reduced to anonymous defamation to avoid being sued,
even though
that won't avoid it really, just delay it.

By the way, Ross Jeffries, creator of Speed Seduction, which happens to be a
rival
product to mine, threatened to post one of his critics' personal information
in
response to the critic's critcism of how the SS list is administered. Ross
has also
claimed to have special access to people's FBI and NSA files, or other
"special
connections" in the government. A few years ago, I was threatened with
similar
"government connections" by "Bishop," one of Ross's ballyhooed top students,
who
later was called into serious question by many here due to some personal and
business
circumstances he found himself in.

Anonymous posters can have any motive.

They are best ignored.

Ray Gordon, Author
The Seduction Library
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html

The main reason why no one wants Ray to have any personal information is the
documented history of how he harasses, threatens, and insults everyone who
posts in
reply to him.

Here is Ray's rationale for his continued campaign of harrassment of others
on usenet:

Path:
news2.nash1.tn.home.com!newsr1.rdc2.pa.home.com!newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.com!
a-newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!nntp.abs.net!
newsfeed.cwix.com!news.alt.net!usenet
From: "Ray Gordon, GENIUS" <r...@cybersheet.com>
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Oozing puss filled sores
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 03:11:14 -0500
Organization: Snodgrass Publishing Group
Lines: 49
Message-ID: <9rtkdv$6o...@pita.alt.net>
References: <3bdded8b$...@newsa.ev1.net>
<20011029230124.12162.00001...@mb-mv.aol.com> <3bdf3e9...@newsa.ev1.net>
<9rq6u0$i4...@pita.alt.net> <3be0c7d...@newsa.ev1.net>
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Reply-To: "Ray Gordon, GENIUS" <cavema...@nni.com>
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"Sharon Roeben" <emeraldn...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> I am confused. Your saying they do this, not out of sheer spite, but for
> monetary reasons. Interesting.

Here's the scorecard:

alt.sports.gymnastics -- In October, 1997, I posted an article called
"Dominique
Moceanu: An American Slave." It outlined how she was abused all her life,
forced to
do gymnastics, and how her coach knew about it. In response to this post, I
got
defamed and threatened (this had already been going on within AOL for a year
but
USENET is archived), and harassed. My life was threatened on a near-daily
basis
because of this.

alt.hypnosis -- In 1996, I posted about a "hypnosis abuse" case where a
hypnotist
took deliberate advantage of me. I was harmed, but nothing compared to
others who
have endured this. Again, my life was threatened, this time by hypnotists
who had a
lot of business to lose if people learned the truth about hypnosis, namely
that it IS
dangerous.....

rec.gambling.sports -- In 1996, I began selling picks for sporting events.
One
business rival in particular had connections inside a major ISP and was able
to
illegally terminate accounts; he even had employees of said ISP look into
people's
account information so he could find them on ANY screen name...if he wanted
them
terminated, he could fake-forward e-mail or maliciously report fake
IMs......he now
makes a quarter-million a year because of the advantage he got from that.

alt.seduction.fast -- most of the attacks against me come from someone named
"Odious," who has told so many lies about me I lost count. When he's not
lying about
me, he's promoting Speed Seduction harder than a paid employee would,
despite being
"independent."

alt.romance -- women here don't like it when I point out why they get hired,
or that
their lack of ethics is what prevents them from finding the right man.

Each group needs validation, so members from one group would move to another
and
"confirm" what was being said about me. It's the ultimate unholy alliance.
They are
no more disconnected than Bin Laden is disconnected from the Arab Nations.

What you see as a harmless flamewar is anything but. It's business and
political
TERRORISM, plain and simple.

Paranoia, plain and simple...

Here is an article where Ray claims to be suing the University of
Pennsylvania for
"Employment Discrimination" Given Ray's self-proclaimed mental disorders,
(Bi-polar,
or Manic-Depressive disorder) and his obvious propensity for posting to
usenet, at
all hours of the day and night, along with the harassment, threats and other
posts,
how can he claim that he was discriminated against? We shall have to see...

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From: "Ray Gordon, GENIUS" r...@cybersheet.com
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This is the employment-discrimination complaint against the University of
Pennsylvania. In this complaint, I will be attacking their
affirmative-action
program, among other things. I requested that the EEOC butt out of this
action and
issue me a right-to-sue letter as quickly as they could. That took roughly
six weeks
from the filing of the initial complaint. Usually you have to wait 180 days
before
you receive such a letter unless you specifically request one. Once you
receive this
letter, you have ninety days from that point to file a discrimination
complaint or
you lose your right to sue.

Given that I am going up against an Ivy-League university with a
billion-dollar
endowment, in a case which is likely to set several employment-related
precedents,
this case will be taking up a great deal of my time. There is a slight
USENET
connection to the case which will become apparent!

I will not be commenting further on this case, as it's about to enter the
court system.

Well, if Ray wants to take on someone with more resources than he has
available to
him, he's more than
welcome to do so.
Examples of "sweet" articles from Ray

Did you read the ones where he bashes Dominique Moceanu? Well then you might
be
surprised to hear that Ray wants to coach her! Here he explains why he wants
to coach
Dominique Moceanu:

* Subject: Re: BMcC333
From: pxyc...@aol.com (Pxychic)
Date: 1998/01/22
Message-ID: <19980122162401.LAA22...@ladder02.news.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics

Brian Writes:

You are the one who volunteered your time to Dominique and even now
try to
gain her trust. I have no under age sponsor or point of attention. You are
the
pervert, stop pointing fingers.

<------Damn right I did. I believe I'm the best coach for her. I
haven't
exactly made that a secret. Now considering that we don't get along and that
she has
no faith in that, that would preclude anything from happening, but in her I
see
someone who is going to not maximize her performance at Sydney. Why wouldn't
I want
to coach an olympian? I'd be NUTS not to. It's not like the rest of the
world hasn't
had that chance. But coaching is not a perversion.

Do I want Dominique's trust now? Sure, but I'm not going to beg for
it. Do I
trust her? No way. She's lied too many times. I haven't talked to her in
almost two
months and if anything ever changes it certainly won't be because of me, nor
will I
censor myself to win her approval; I suspect one of the reasons she talked
to me was
that I always spoke my mind where others always suppress things they think
she won't
want to hear. Dominique contacted me first, not the other way around.

You can draw any conclusions you want, but there is no law against
coaching
gymnastics. At this point she's the ONLY gymnast I'd ever try to coach, and
the only
reason I'd ever coach her is that I would love to be responsible for winning
a ton of
gold medals; what coach wouldn't? I believe I know how to get the best
performances
possible out of her, and it was that reason that prompted me to make my
offer to
coach. In the time since I offered, she went through four coaches and I know
I could
have done no worse with her.

I do not have to like someone to win with them. Check the 1972-74
Oakland A's
for an example of a team that hated each other while winning three
consecutive world
championships. I just find it incredulous that one of the most talented
gymnasts of
all time has been destroyed gymnastically as she has. We aren't exactly
talking
rocket science here; not messing up the number-one gymnast in the country is
actually
pretty easy if the coach isn't STUPID.....

If you want to talk perversion, you should check Dominique's snail
mail....I
believe it's littered with perversion. I've never sent her anything, never
called
her, never shown up at her meets or even the tour....that's not exactly
stalking
material, now is it?

I'm sure Dominique will do just *fine* without me.....look at how
well she's
done so far the last 18 months!!! From what I've seen, she'll continue
self-destructing and not win any medals, and she herself has told me that
she doesn't
have a problem with that if it happens. I certainly don't have a problem
with that
either, because it's not my career, but if I can do something to prevent it
from
happening, I'd be more than happy to set aside a few years of my life to
train
another Nadia. It would actually be quite FUN! In the right hands, Dominique
is a
nuclear weapon, and any coach who has someone that talented should kiss the
earth and
thank God.

Dominique's problems have very little to do with gymnastics. That is
why a
regular gymnastics coach isn't the answer for her. Bela left his Queen
hanging in the
middle of the board, and no other coach has seen in Dominique what he
did...except
me...and no other coach knows how to bring that quality out of her...except
me.....I
said it 18 months ago, and I'm still saying it, and no one has disproven
me....I'll
say it all the way to Sydney, in fact: I am the best qualified person in the
world to
coach her. That doesn't mean I'm going to like her or she's going to like
me; just
means if I coached her, she'd win. Someone's got to turn Dominique back into
Dominique.....lord knows enough people have tried and failed.

Potential is a terrible thing to waste. I make no apologies for
wanting to
clean up the mess created by incompetent gymnastics coaches...there is still
time to
fix things...I'd rather say it now than wait until 2001 and say "I told you
so." I
also don't want Dominique ever to be able to say that she wasn't warned that
the path
she is following is destroying her as a competitive gymnast. She may not
WANT to hear
it, but she NEEDS to hear it, and that is why I say it.

God Bless the First Amendment.

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And some roses to the girl he harasses:

* Subject:@>-------}---------------------
From: pxyk...@aol.com (Pxykick)
Date: 1998/02/27
Message-ID: <19980227084801.DAA24...@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics

To Dominique Moceanu, my favorite gymnast and one of the few
meaningful people
on this planet.

Your True #1 Fan

(NOTE: I posted this originally in her AOL Folder but the wonderful
powers that
be delete them all the time even though Dominique likes roses. Very
classless).

http://www.cybersheet.com

He also wrote a really long and delusional article about Dominique Moceanu
on his
webpage. Here's what he wrote: "Dominique Moceanu: An American Slave". He
made
everything up himself and outside of his strange illusions there are a lot
of facts
which are wrong. This is actually an example of how crazy he can be. He
probably
really thinks this story he came up with, is the entire truth. We would like
to see
Miss Moceanu deal with Ray through legal channels.

There has been another final post, this time to alt.seduction.fast but it
only took a
few weeks for Ray to show back up on the groups, this time with more anger,
more
threats, and more venom... Read it here

What have other people written about Ray?

Subject: Two Words and Five Words (was Re: Is this really Ross' book?)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:02:10 -0400
From: jlki...@ix.netcom.com (James King)
Organization: The Shadow RealAudio Radio Theater
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References: 1

In article
<20000503.113112.-212423.2.Thee_____Seduction_Libr...@juno.com>, The
Seduction Library <thee_____seduction_libr...@juno.com> wrote:

><------Two words: PSYCHIC INFLUENCE.

And I have five choice words for you and everyone else. Ray, perhaps
you
remember these words:

"Don't mess with a psychic." -- Gordon Roy Parker, aka Ray Gordon,
referring to himself in a post made by himself where he wishes death on
Olympic-class gymnasts for some unknown (and likely very petty) reason.
(I've read Gordon/Ray's justifications for his actions, and I comment
on
them later.)

If Gordon/Ray at one time believed in psychic influence to the point
where
he claims to be a psychic, yet now disowns any such belief in
paranormal
experiences, then it appears to me that Gordon/Ray himself has made a
change in his beliefs and actions, perhaps seeing that something that
he
once thought worked now appears not to work, and therefore adjusting
his
behavior and actions accordingly.

While I personally believe there is nothing wrong with this realization
of
things that don't work as well as other things and that there is
nothing
wrong with making adjustments to fine-tune those beliefs and
processes --
after all, that is a part of the human learning experience --
Gordon/Ray
goes out of his way to criticize Ross for doing the exact same thing
...
changing his beliefs and actions based on better knowledge of what
works
in his real-world experience.

As such, Gordon/Ray reveals himself to be a hypocrite of the highest
order.

Or, conversely, Gordon/Ray never believed in psychic phenomena, in
which
case, he was simply attempting to incite fear in young girls for some
unknown (and likely very petty) reason by preying on whatever fears of
paranormal phenomena they would have.

I've read Gordon/Ray's posts trying to justify his actions. The
conspiracy
theory makes for good reading when one is in the mood for comedy:
Gordon/Ray believes himself to be so important that even Olympic-class
gymnasts no older than 14 conspire with their coaches and mothers to
kill
him in order to stop Gordon/Ray's lone quest to stop the child abuse
given
to these Olympic-class gymnasts.

If one is trying to stop child abuse, threatening to kill children
psychically (even if cornered by a pack of vicious 13-15 year old
females
and their mothers) just doesn't seem to me to be the way to solve that
issue. Perhaps Gordon/Ray would like to elaborate on his reasons why he
has led me to believe that he believes killing children is an answer to
child abuse.

James King

--
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http://www.shadowradio.org

Here's another post, made right before Ray was TOSsed from Juno.com...

Subject: Re: Open letter and closing thoughts for Ray
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 23:52:48 GMT
From: Odious <Odi...@home.com>
Organization: Happy Slappy The Wonder Pup.
Newsgroups: alt.romance, alt.seduction.fast
References: 1

The Seduction Library wrote:
>
> Some Guy Writes:
>
> > <------That is LIBEL. Tell your girlfriend that she should teach
you
> > to watch your mouth. A poor choice of words like that can be rather
> > expensive, as a few out here will learn. If you have to resort to
lies
> > to justify your position, it must be extremely weak.
>
> The weakness of your position is revealed by the celerity
> with which Juno will cancel your account if someone merely
> clicks "Forward" in their browser and copies "ab...@juno.com"
> with one of your messages (yes, boys and girls, Juno has
> a policy of AUTOMATIC CANCELLATION with the person who
> goes by the name of "Ray Gordon").
>
> <------That's called CENSORSHIP.

Which you agree to when you use equipment for access that doesn't
belong
to you. Every time you create a juno account you agree to their TOS and
give them permission to do so. However you know you are going to
violate
juno's user contract, you do it everyday. Say, isn't it fraud when you
knowingly enter into a contract you intend to violate? Ray is
defrauding
juno to obtain access to usenet. I wonder how ray would defend that in
court?

Keeping ray from posting is no different than keeping someone from
spray
painting graffiti on some public building.

> By the way, if you respond to ANY of my posts in the future I will
zone in
> on that "no one will ever hire you again" remark. Your choice. If
someone
> burglarizes a house, they shouldn't spit on the sidewalk of that
house. Go
> ahead, respond to me or mention my name ONCE more and I'll be happy
to
> change my priorities. ONCE. No more warnings. Go ahead, test me.
Please.
>

I find it so amusing that even though ray has been told that statements
like this are rock solid proof of malicious prosecution, which would
not
only kill his case, but also virtually guarantee a counter suit would
win...ray still posts these threats to people about using the courts to
shut them up so they can't say anything about him.

In the same breath he cries censorship, he uses threats to keep someone
from saying anything about him.

> The real weakness in any case you make against someone will
> be when they subpoena representatives of Juno if it ever
> comes to trial. At that moment, you'll burn. Civil cases
> which have a criminal element generally await the outcome
> of the criminal trial prior to evaluating the civil matter.
> Civil cases can also press for criminal resolution.
>
> <---------It is invasion of privacy to "portray someone in a false
> light."

Not when done in a venue that you willfully attend simply to cause
agitation and to spam. You can't sue because you went to a party where
nobody liked you.

>
> That you continue to use Juno computers in spite of their
> express wishes to the contrary constitutes illegal access
> to an electronic device.
>
> <-------That they refuse to seek a court order stopping me should
tell
> you their true wishes. Didn't you know Juno added millions of members
> last year? hehe
>

Oh I wonder what juno's legal dept. would think of that?

>
> <-------ONE MORE POST, dude. ONE.

You're pitiful.

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http://members.home.net/odious

Here is Ray's standard explanation of why he hasn't done anything illegal:

Subject: Re: List of LIBEL PER SE Against Ray
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:29:24 -0400
From: The Seduction Library <le____seduction_______libr...@juno.com>
Organization: mail2n...@nym.alias.net
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Some Chick Writes:

> <--------Please show ONE threatening or harassing comment made. You
> need ACTUAL EVIDENCE, not some fantasy. God help you in court.

Oh please, allow me!
__________________________

Sample #1:

Done Medaling DM: All in time for Sydney...
Done Medaling DM: Thanks for giving me your addy btw
Done Medaling DM: "American Doll"
Done Medaling DM: Bye
__________________________

<--------Yes, it's much easier to SERVE someone with a legal complaint
when you have their address. You weren't giving yours out, were you?

Sample #2:
CYouIn2000: Bitch
CYouIn2000: If it were legal, I'd set you on fire with Gasoline and
strike a match.
__________________________

<------"If it were legal" is now a threat? I don't have to contest
whether or not I said it, since the speech is not illegal. Does the
conversation change at all if you add the CONTEXT where I say "I have
to
sue you in court because taking physical revenge is not legal?" Did you
mention that your friends were harassing me on a daily basis, or that
death threats were being posted against me? It's easy to forget one
side
of a story.

Sample #3:
CYouIn2001: If it were legal, I'd inject you with HIV+ blood. Go
report that.
__________________________

<----------"If it were legal?" If it were legal, I'd do a lot of
things.
What about Dave (your old Mafia buddy), posting PUBLICLY that I was a
"dead man?" Or do you remember a screen name called "Kill the hag?" Or
Dave's repeated references in chats to my MOTHER as a "hag?" That
sounds
like a threat. Oh, you remember that chat with FIFTEEN witnesses in it
who witnessed a friend of yours threaten to hunt me down and KILL me? I
have a pile of ACTUAL death threats, some coming from YOUR friends,
which
would shed a very different light on this. Not that any of this proves
that I am a child molester.

Sample #4:
CYouIn2001: If it were legal, I'd shut that mouth of yours up with
a baseball bat across it
__________________________

<------Is saying "If it were legal" a threat? What if you and 20 others
were harassing me constantly, warning me to "shut up about Bela or face
the consequences?" You think you haven't left a paper trail? Not that
any of this proves I'm a child molester.....

Sample #5:
CYouIn2001: You deserve to watch your daughters have their skulls
crushed with a baseball bat to shut up your mouth, CUNT. But this is a
civilized society that protects even cunts like you...
__________________________

<---------This is a threat? People have been telling me I deserve far
worse than even that. The reference to the civilized society means that
I respect its laws. Even in a BEST case scenario, you couldn't do a
thing with this. Nothing you have posted so far is even REMOTELY
illegal. On the other hand, there's those threats from Dave that aren't
going to make you look very good. Do you remember what caused him to
lose his AOL? You cheered him on initially. Think you have nothing to
answer for? How about you being a former gymnast at Bela's camp who
knows him and has a rather obvious motive for taking his side?

Sample #6:
CYouIn2001: You're lucky I'm ethical or you and your prized gymnast
would be in
wheelchairs
CYouIn2001: Dominique has no friends other than herself
GymnGDoll: so little you know...
CYouIn2001: Wrong
CYouIn2001: Dominique uses people because it is what she was taught to
do
GymnGDoll: that little fantasy world again
CYouIn2001: If it were legal I'd wipe that grin off your face with a
baseball bat
GymnGDoll: is the wallpaper in there nice?
CYouIn2001: Better yet if it were legal I'd let you watch Beth become a
quadraplegic
_________________________

<----------Harsh words, for sure, but you imposed yourself in my life,
interfered with a journalistic investigation, and provoked me to the
high
heavens. Anyone can present one side of a story and make the other look
bad. Sadly, however, there are no threats in what you post so
regardless
of what I said, you don't have a thing.

Sample #7:
Done Medaling DM: Okay I'll just post every day that she's a
criminal again and give you the credit for it
_________________________

<-------Who was "Domi" in the Gymn Mafia? Not "Dom" who was listed
separately, but "Domi?" Just wondering.

Ray, what I don't think you understand is that EVERYONE is recording
EVERYTHING you say in a PowerTools log format that doesn't allow you to
change the logs. You can deny all you want that the logs are forged,
but
all it takes is a PowerTools representative to shoot you down. Any
smart
lawyer would have told you to shut up LONG ago. You are digging your
own
grave, and not with any average old shovel, either. Whether you realize
it or not, ALL of this information is going to the parties you are
"suing", and will continue to be forwarded to them until the day you
are
laughed out of court.

<-----------How is anything you posted relevant to proving that I am a
child molester? Do you understand the concept of IRRELEVANCE? If I had
done anything illegal, you could have taken action by now. Two years
ago
you were bragging that this was imminent, and you are the one
continuing
any conflict with me by posting. And say what you want about
Powertools,
but AOL records are not accurate. Even with accurate logs, there is no
way to paint an accurate PICTURE of what goes on. For example, you can
play little miss innocent, but what if you have friends who are using
phished accounts IMing me at the same time making threats on your
behalf?
What if AOL had an existing bias against me because I knew things they
didn't want me to know? If you knew how badly your credibility, your
friends' credibiilty, and AOL's credibility could be attacked, you'd
understand why you are not a concern to me. Then of course there is the
issue of the VIRUS threats against my computer, some of which were
posted, which is a FEDERAL CRIME. Then there are the hackers, which
have
attacked more than just me and who have left a bit of a paper trail.
But
these are third-string resorts. Your entire game is about to be blown
out of the water so badly I couldn't even begin to describe it. All you
do when you try to poison those I sue is make it worse for THEM.

See, Ray seems to think that by putting "if it were legal" into his
threats, they are not legally actionable. Involved parties have been
informed by the police that they ARE actionable...one girl was even
urged
to seek a TRO. What he fails to understand is that PERCEIVED threats
are
also actionable. You are SO screwed, Ray...SO screwed.

<-----No, PERCEIVED threats are NOT actionable. Even actual threats are
not always actionable if it can be determined that someone was just
mouthing off. But was there an ACTUAL threat in what you posted? I
don't know if you doctored those logs are not, but IMs are not
difficult
to doctor, and even with Powertools, there is such a thing called
REVERSE
ENGINEERING which can be used to alter individual versions of a
program.
This is why USENET and websites will be used to decide this case.
Anyone
can whine to the police with a one-sided story and get temporary
sympathy. The courts exist so that more informed decisions can be made.

Your motive since day one has been to discredit what I write about
child
abuse in gymnastics. Did you know that because of your crusade, in my
defense I will be able to enter anything USAG-related into evidence?
Let's start with Bela and his gymnasts for the past 20 years. Then let
Dominique tell all the details of what it was like to train there. Then
we can move on to CGA and what happened with that coach who left a few
years ago. Finally, we can move on to that e-mail I was sent by a young
girl, which proves one of two things:

1. Another elite gymnast is being abused more seriously than Dominique;
OR

2. Someone with ties to your group thought it would be cute to try to
mislead me and in doing so defamed said gymnast.

Now if 2) is true, you'll find that trying to defraud a journalist is
actionable, and if 1) is true you'll find that obtaining that e-mail
was
illegal. Take your pick. I guess USAG is eager to see all this brought
to light. So am I. Maybe I should repost the "stolen" mail in question?
Would you like that? I think people should see all the evidence....or
maybe I should save that for court.

The Seduction Library
All The Knowledge Of A Seminar, For The Price Of Two Books

http://www.cybersheet.com/fox/index.html

[Mr.Trust]

Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:40:52 +0200
From: Mr Brown <br...@green.org>
Subject: Part IV

Disclaimer:
The following is reproduced under "Fair Use"
Do NOT distribute for commercial gain.

Part IV

Information about "Ray Gordon", the fictitious internet pseudonym used by
Gordon Roy
Parker.

This site contains information about Ray Gordon, a dangerous harasser who

abuses
usenet newsgroups. Some recent email addresses were variations of The
Seduction
Library coming from AOL accounts, Prior to that he was posting from
variations of
ray__gor...@juno.com or outfoxf...@juno.com but it is likely that since he
spammed so
many newsgroups using Juno headers, that he was finally banned from their
system
somehow. Ray also seems to have been TOSsed from AOL as he no longer can
post to

usenet from AOL. At the moment his email addresse are: "Ray Gordon, GENIUS"

r...@cybersheet.com and cavema...@nni.com. The posting host he is currently
using is
Altopia.net, or alt.net. In any case, it is well known that he uses several
screen
names at the same time. If you are new to the alt.sports.gymnastics,
alt.romance,
soc.singles, soc.men, soc.women, rec.sports.gambling or alt.seduction.fast

newsgroups, please read through these documents.
Part IV

Why is he dangerous?
How has Ray reacted to this FAQ?
Ray's side of the story.
Is he crazy?
What can I do to help?
Good guys and credits
E-mails from readers and of course also from Ray
Why is he dangerous?

Odin the Allfather says it well:

* Just to clue in any new arrivals, Ray here has posted SEVERAL times
that he
wants Dominique Moceanu to die. In fact, his desire for children to be
injured,
paralyzed and killed has been posted here repeatedly for some time now.

While Ray does have his infrequent rational spells, he quickly
surrenders to
his rages, and lashes out at anyone within reach of his modem. Given his
repeated
posts about his desire to see children killed, allowing him to coach ANYONE
is an
insane risk.

I AM
Odin the Allfather

We have documented in several places on this FAQ document where Ray has
admitted to
Bipolar Disorder, (Manic-Depressive Personality Disorder) and there have
also been
posts to Usenet with clinical descriptions of Compensatory Narcissistic
Personality
Disorder, Schizophrenic Personality Disorder, among others. These are
frighteningly
accurate descriptions of behavior patters anyone on any of the newsgroups
where Ray
posts, have seen. We clearly state that we are not making a medical
diagnosis, and
are only comparing observable behavior patterns to clinically defined
personality
disorders. We recommend reading the DSM-IV for further information.

NOTE: We do not, and have never claimed that anyone connected with this site
is, or
has ever, had any medical credentials, and are not proffering a diagnosis,
only
stating similarites between behaviors and clinical descriptions.

There are many posts in the Google archive searchable for Ray's propensity
to
threaten others with violence, collect personal information, commit
copyright
violations, plagiarism, and many others. These are all documented on various
sections
of this FAQ site.
How has Ray reacted to this FAQ?

After requesting for Ray's side of the story, Ray sent me his comments on
RayFAQ.

Before that he reacted by sending e-mail to me and probably abuse at USA.net
so he
really doesn't like this FAQ. You can read this e-mail in the negative
e-mail page.
He also posted articles where he pretends to be the victim and threatened in
alt.sports.gymnastics to make a Dominique Moceanu FAQ. It may look like this
FAQ
backfired but think again. This FAQ is based on newsgroup articles and
webpages he
has written himself. That is pure facts from his own fingers. All the notes
are free
speech a'la the First Amendment that he likes to wrap himself in.

What he has about Dominique Moceanu is illusions like in that long
slave-article he
wrote on his web pages. So his FAQ will be as stupid as that article not to
mention
his horrible HTML-knowledge. On the web people have choice to read
Dominique's
official pages or pages made by lunatics. Everybody will check both pages
and see the
difference. So instead of complaining about the pages and the announcement
on
alt.sports.gymnastics, check section "What can I do to help?".

Personal Quote: NOTE: I am sorry, but due to a slander campaign against me,
I cannot
accept any new people into my life. If I do not already know and trust you,
I cannot
speak with you. Visit this website:
(http://members.tripod.com/~rayfaq/index.html)
for more info

NOTE: I am currently seeking a good lawyer skilled in slander and libel
cases. I
have a GREAT one. For more information, please visit this website:
http://members.tripod.com/~rayfaq/index.html

He is also accusing people of being the author of this page to get a
reaction or
information. Here's one where he accuses Dominique Moceanu to be behind this
FAQ:

Here Ray accuses Dominique Moceanu to be behind this FAQ:

* Subject: RayFAQ is Dominique's Doing
From: pxyk...@aol.com (Pxykick)
Date: 1998/03/02
Message-ID: <19980302225400.RAA19...@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics

Dominique.....you shouldn't go around having people libel me on your
behalf.

It's not very nice. Not exactly the right way to treat your #1
fan...I might
have to stop leaving those roses....

By the way, even if your name isn't on the site, your fingerprints
are, and
that's more than enough.

I am truly disappointed.

NOTE: I am currently seeking a good lawyer skilled in slander and
libel cases.
I have a GREAT one. For more information, please visit this website:
http://members.tripod.com/~rayfaq/index.html

Needless to point out that the fingerprints on this FAQ are from Ray himself
as it is
based on articles written by him. In fact there is so much material to use

that only
a small fraction is used in the FAQ.

UPDATE: Ray is now trying to claim that his words are copyrighted somehow,
and that
republishing and posting these words of his are a violation of his
copyright. One can
only assume that since he frequently copies and reposts other's posts from
select
newsgroups, to other newsgroups, that he doesn't mean that he's violating
someone
else's copyright when he does it. The law on this is clear. Once posted to a
PUBLIC
FORUM, those posts become PUBLIC DOMAIN. Period. So, with that in mind,
let's see how
the saga plays out.

Ray is, and has been threatening for some time to put up a "rebuttal
website" naming
his critics in some sort of vast conspiracy. He has even gone so far as to
accuse
many persons across several newsgroups of being a "mafia" or otherwise
related to
Organized Crime.

Here is Ray's first post to a newsgroup regarding this new FAQ. (It took
less than
four hours for
Ray to post. and Ray responded to the original notice no less than seven
times in a
nine-hour period.)

Subject: Re: ### NEW and UPDATED Ray Gordon FAQ Now Available Online! ###
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 04:06:31 -0500

From: "Ray Gordon, GENIUS" <r...@cybersheet.com>

Reply-To: "Ray Gordon, GENIUS" <cavema...@nni.com>

Organization: Snodgrass Publishing Group
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis, alt.sport.gymnast.moceanu, alt.sports.gymnastics
References: 1 , 2 , 3

> Funny how I never saw "(c)2001 Gordon Roy Parker" on any of the posts
that you
"claim" is copyrighted
> material. No copyright on speech, but thanks for playing.

Wrong again.

Also, misappropriation of likeness is an infringement as well.

Since 1989, no notice has been required on one's writing, and damages are
stiff.
CRIMINAL penalties are
even possible.

I have a very clean win when I get the suit together, I have jurisdiction
because my
picture was lifted off of a
PA web server, and whoever put that site up really doesn't have a leg to
stand on.

I have a right to control how my writing is disseminated. Taking it out of
context
and putting it on a website which
contains ADVERTISING was never my intent.

Editor's note: Nothing written by Ray is, or has been "taken out of context"
in any
way. EVERYTHING
published here is an exact quote, searchable on PUBLIC DOMAIN archives.

The site also violates PA harassment laws because, despite its disclaimers,
it is an
open invitation to people
to harass me.

Since the site says "go ahead and sue" I'll be doing just that, when I'm
done
PROSECUTING it first.

At the very least, since "fair use" is only a defense, this would go to
trial, and
the authors of the site will have to
show up. Once I have their identities, the other actions become child's play
to file.

I also noticed "columbus.rr.com" in your postings. There's an individual who
lives in
Columbus that I got a very
interesting e-mail informing me about. I will be publishing that e-mail in
its
entirety, to explain in part the motivations
of this sicko and some of his gymnastics friends.

Once my rebuttal site goes up, it won't be taken down. It will also name
FULL names
of those who are behind it or
otherwise connected to it, and their motivations as well.

Editor's note: Only a Law Enforcement Agency can "prosecute" anyone. True,
Ray can
file charges,
but then, his ENTIRE posting history, as well as logs from various ISPs can
then be
entered into the
public record.

Ray's side of the story:

Ray likes to claim that he was "forced" into posting the things he has
posted over
the years. Ray claims that he has been threatened, harassed, and badgered.
With his
posting history, examples of chat logs, and other examples of his behavior
which are
available, it does seem likely that Ray has indeed recieved hateful posts.
Wonder
why? In any case, there are examples available of some of the things that
have been
said about, to, and against Ray on this FAQ. Ray's Side of the Story is not
as
detailed, and does contain posts where Ray was threatened, although it also
contains
posts where Ray is badgering people into harassing him, such as the posts
where he
states: "You'd have to KILL me to shut me up. Got the BALLS to do that?" See
Ray's
side of the story for details.

Is he crazy?

He lies and lies and lies, hides behind screennames, spends a horrible
amount of time
writing the articles and attacking people and makes up insane stories about
gymnasts.
He plays Mr. Nice Guy to get someone to write to him and in a split second
he attacks
that person and drives him/her off the Internet. Read how Ray in most
articles hates
and badmouths Dominique but still he sends her roses, wants to be her coach
and
claims to be the best one to coach her. Ray doesn't have a job, he really
has nothing
than his illusions. Yes, he is crazy and he should seek professional help.

Good guys and credits

Thanks for your efforts on fighting this Ray character go to:
Odin the Allfather
armagnac10
bmcc333
James King
DClan13251
robrucah45
boonastic
Marcia Proctor
J. Tash
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A Modern Care Bear
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PSiKicWaRrioR
Odious
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Lee Darrow
Vince Runza
Yoder
Alex Kaufman
Dave
CalvadosVS
SubZer0
Please Note: None of the people listed on this page are connected in any way
with the
Editorial Staff. They are just people who offered support, or sent copies of
information for our use. Thanks.

And many many more. I am truly sorry if I forgot some of you wonderful
people. Many
thanks also go to those people who have sent me information about Ray. To
protect
those people I don't give out their names on this list without their
permission.
However, if you want your name on the Good guys list, just ask. The NEW
Editorial
Staff of The OFFICIAL Ray Gordon FAQ won't give out any personal information
without
the express written consent of the person. There is no other way we can be
compelled
to give out information on our contributors.
E-mails from readers and of course also from Ray

I have received a lot of e-mail from the readers of this FAQ. Even Ray has
written to
me and that e-mail can be read by reading negative e-mail. I also made a
page about
supportive e-mail I have received. I publish those so that the sender can
remain
anonymous. If you want to send me comments, just send e-mail to
rayi...@email.com

All negative e-mail gets published.

[RayGordon]

Like George Sodini himself, "Mr. Trust" (ironic name for sure) is
catually PROUD of his sick behavior.

Since genuine investiative journalists are now checking into this
stuff, all he's doing is proving what I said all along about the CULT.

He's also repeating content he got from white-supremacy websites, thus
further demonstrating that link.

He doesn't get it: people are wise to why these CULTIES are motivated
to lie about me. He's BRAGGING about breaking laws, and doing exactly
what led to the creation of the Sodini types.

I do wonder if the innocent people he's harassing with his posting are
of concern to him. Any "newbie" thinking of spending money on any of
these CULTIES and their "Sodini game" should really think if that's
the type of man he considers "alpha." Most hot chicks don't dig
internet whiners, and most of them just figure I'm important enough
for them to become obsessed with.

This isn't 1999. Internet audiences are much smarter now.

Also note the previous poster, who wants to be seen as "alpha,"
doesn't DARE put any of his crap on video, since he wouldn't be able
to deny having published it if and when he gets sued.

It's GAME OVER for the CULT. The new admission of a link to violent
white-supremacy groups is certainly not going to help it either.
Good luck trying to get Amazon not to take 65 percent of my gross when
my book hits kindle soon.

Ray GVordon
http://www.toosmarttofail.com

[Mr.Trust]

"RayGordon" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:6435981c-f990-4ebe...@r18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

> Like George Sodini himself, "Mr. Trust" (ironic name for sure) is
> catually PROUD of his sick behavior.
>

I've always taken pride in standing up to bullies like you, gordo. And my
name came from your lawsuit, moron.

> Since genuine investiative journalists are now checking into this
> stuff, all he's doing is proving what I said all along about the CULT.

Really, care to name one.... I'd be happy to speak with them about why I've
always called you on your lies and bullshit.

> He's also repeating content he got from white-supremacy websites, thus
> further demonstrating that link.
>

How so, gordo? How does the fact that this content was hosted on a server
that also hosted some racist site, prove any sort of causal connection?

> He doesn't get it: people are wise to why these CULTIES are motivated
> to lie about me.

What lie gordo? The faq contains your own words and your own actions...
what is a lie?

>He's BRAGGING about breaking laws,

What laws are broken by quoting your own posts gordo?

> and doing exactly
> what led to the creation of the Sodini types.

And exactly what was that gordo... calling out a hateful bully on his BS?
Seems to me that if someone had called out Sodini like they call you out...
several women would still be alive.

> I do wonder if the innocent people he's harassing with his posting are
> of concern to him.

What people are you talking about gordo? Since when are you more than one
person... and what law enforment agency has agreed that posts to usenet
about you are harassment?

> Any "newbie" thinking of spending money on any of
> these CULTIES and their "Sodini game" should really think if that's
> the type of man he considers "alpha." Most hot chicks don't dig
> internet whiners, and most of them just figure I'm important enough
> for them to become obsessed with.
>

And yet gordo is the one who said.....

From: "Women Purr For ME \(not YOU\)" <outfoxxxxxredf...@juno.com>
Subject: Steele's stuff works; Get used to it.
Date: 1999/06/13

<--------I find that Steele's "right attitude" is right for one
subgrouping of women: old-fashioned, likes older men to begin with,
rather submissive, parasitic (you'll have to pay), etc. What I don't see
in his method is anything which fundamentally alters the dating game,
which is heavily biased in favor of women.
____________________________________________________________________
From: TwoBux2Win (twobux2...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Ray Gordon...on domestic violence
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 2000/03/29

A lot of women DO bring on a good whoopin. They nag the shit out of
their boyfriends, whine and treat them like dirt, then play head games
to try to provoke you into a jealous rage, then go crying to the cops
when they get the desired response. Look at Nicole Simpson, now THERE
was a whiney golddigging bitch if I ever saw one. Married a black man
for the money, then uses the kids to play games on his head, provokes
him to the point of physical anger and whines to the cops about what a
monster he is, then uses that whiney little wuss Ron Goldman to drive
him insane with jealousy. Can you blame him for chopping her up and
finally getting some peace of mind?
______________________________________________

> This isn't 1999. Internet audiences are much smarter now.
>

And yet you continue to try to use the same inept easily disprovable lies.

> Also note the previous poster, who wants to be seen as "alpha,"
> doesn't DARE put any of his crap on video, since he wouldn't be able
> to deny having published it if and when he gets sued.
>

Gordo you've been threatening to sue me for 12 years and you're still as
impotent today as you were then. Unlike you I'm posting from the same
address I've been posting from for well over a decade. My status as the
author of my words is not in question.

The reason you keep crying for someone to make a video is that you want them
to move their comments to a format where you can whine you have no ability
to respond. As it is, here on usenet you have equal access to refute
anything you claim is incorrect or unfair, which undermines any libel or
defamation claims you try to make. Nobody is taking your bait.

> It's GAME OVER for the CULT. The new admission of a link to violent
> white-supremacy groups is certainly not going to help it either.
> Good luck trying to get Amazon not to take 65 percent of my gross when
> my book hits kindle soon.

Will they also take 65% of the liability for your unsubstantiated
accusations?

[Me]

From: Gordon Roy Parker
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.sports
Date: 12 Sep 2001 00:42:30 GMT
Subject: Re: A MASTERPIECE
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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X-Admin: n...@aol.com
References: <9nm84r$sb...@news.netmar.com>
Message-ID: 20010911204230.13998.00000...@mb-fp.aol.com

>Only you can use the deaths of thousands of innocents to progress your
>petty, vain and superficial vendetta against all of your victims. Grow
>up you lousy piece of shit.

These "innocents" are everyday people who are part of the EVERYONE
quoted in "everyone hates you, Ray."
They worked for companies who practice employment discrimination. I
don't consider the loss of their lives to be significant because their
bread-butterers didn't consider the loss of my career to be
significant.
I have been taunted over my living situation, and defamed online to
the point of a terrorist attack. Well, look at THEIR living situation if you
want to REALLY have a good laugh. I'm not the one living in a city
covered by
SOOT.
The humanitarianism you ask me to show others is something others have
never shown me. They don't obey civil rights laws, so the loss of their own
civil rights has a poetic ring to it.
Those who don't want to see me laugh at this tragedy should never have
laughed at any of mine.

>Keep a lid on your crap for at least one day out of respect for all of
>those that died.

I have no respect for those who died. That's the point.
I consider mass employment discrimination to be an act of terrorism.
If I believed for ONE MOMENT that those left standing would change their
ways, I would of course change mine.
You are seeing a nasty form of political protest on my part which is
100 percent Constitutionally protected. It is supposed to make you vomit;
it was DESIGNED that way to illustrate what it is I see in others.
By reading my words, you get to stand in my shoes, and just for that
one moment........

>Count your blessings that you were not among them you vile, cowardly
>piece of stalking shit.

I'm no stalker, and those who would say it, or those who would BELIEVE
it (many "good people" who died today probably would have been swayed by the
lies), to me are subhuman.
I don't wear your shame. You have no ability to judge me, no moral
standing whatsoever.
I spent the past 15 years judging others only to be told that no one
cares about who does what wrong. Don't go getting up on that soapbox now
after I wore it out.

>Only you CAN justify in your diseased mind, an attack on people in a
>lousy little gambling forum,

Who am I "attacking?" I am expressing my lack of sympathy for the loss
of a bunch of self-centered, asshole New Yorkers who were determined to see
that I did not live OR work in what is left standing of their "fine city."
May they all rot in hell, every last one of them. Those who aren't
"them" would never have tolerated civil rights violations against me. Not my
fault if no one chose to stand up before this.
Anyone who TRULY were opposed to my conduct wouldn't ever have engaged
in the type of "terrorism" against me which they seem to hate when it's
directed to others.
Once again: no significant loss of life in those Towers. Americans
just can't seem to get the message that the way they behave pisses
people off. It
provokes my words and Bin Laden's bombs. The only difference is that
I'm not breaking the law, while he is.
Anyone who wants to see my good side is free to help me build a fair
society, but most men who would do that fear that they might have an
old, ugly,
or overweight woman for a secretary, or worse, a man.
No significant loss of life in those Towers.

>at the expense of like TENS of THOUSANDS of innocent people.

I'm not the one who blew them up, am I? I just laugh at the poetic
justice of it all.
No one of any significance died in that blast. Just a bunch of asshole
New Yorkers who thought it was okay for me to lose my place to live there,
and who thought hiring eye candy was more important than justice.
Stop falsely demonizing people if you don't like the consequences of
doing so. You, and others like you, have created the "monster."

>Steve started this thread with a fantastic, humanitarian suggestion.
Someoen
>else followed it up with a similar helpful suggestion in this TIME OF
NEED. And
>you go and make a mockery of it just because you can.

I express my heartfelt view that I cannot have sympathy for those who
thought it was okay for me to starve to death. In my view they deserve any
tragedy brought upon them. I only use words; I don't break laws; employment
discriminators DO.
When EVERYONE agrees to be good, I'll sign up. You want to get the
ball rolling?

>Everyone else is easing up today.

Which NYC firm is hiring me as a secretary again?
Sorry, not everyone.
No significant loss of life in those towers. Not a single one.

>Thousands have died and thousands more have lost mothers, fathers,
>brothers, sisters, sons and daughters, and more.

Well, people said EVERYONE hated me....so I guess those people hated
me too.
I lost a career to employment discrimination, and no one seemed to
care. In fact, the FIRST discrimination I experienced came right out of that
building.
I have no sympathy for corporate criminals who perish.

>Likely dozens of police and firefighters have given up their lives to
save these
>people, in valliant efforts, all for naught.

Those men are well-compensated for the risks they take. They get to
lord over women how much POWER they have, and they get to do things we
can't.
Since when is someone doing their job a cause for celebration? I
thought that's what we were paying them for.
I am not callous and unfeeling; I am just not a sucker. When everyone
plays nice, so will I, but it has to be all-or-nothing.
You want to get that ball rolling? I doubt it.

>And you reduce it all to a snide remark in your juvenile flame wars.

Oh no, this is a deeply-held opinion. Want to schedule a press
conference? I'd tell this to the world and explain exactly why.
As I said, without employment discrimination, there was a 50-50 chance
I'd have wound up working in what used to be that building.
Not only did these assholes break the law, they saved my life
(possibly), and in the process, cost themselves their own or those of
the office whore
they hired in my place who died today instead of me. Look for a monument to
the "unknown office whore" as a war memorial. Collectible to follow.
Pretty damn good day at the office if you ask me, especially since I'm
not the one who hijacked the planes.

>You should be embarassed, ashamed, and apologize to everyone
>immediately.

Those emotions apply to those who discriminate in employment, not me.
As I said before, I have no sympathy for the loss of life among those
who saw no problem with the loss of my life.
As others have said here, EVERYONE hates me, right? Well, now it's
EVERYONE MINUS THIRTY THOUSAND.
Don't you realize that these dead people were already spoken for? They
are part of EVERYONE........if not, people need to learn not to speak for
EVERYONE.....
May those who died today rot in the hell they deserve.

Ray Gordon, Author
The Nice-Guy Graveyard: Where men go to bury their kindness and be the
jerk women love
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html

[samvaknin]

Cyber Narcissist

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal67.html

Narcissists as Drama Queens

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissisticabuse/message/4948

The Narcissist as Know-it-all

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissisticabuse/message/4945

The Narcissist as Liar and Con-man

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissisticabuse/message/4951

For a more detailed view of pathological narcissism and the
Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) - click on these links:

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/npdglance.html

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders12.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/personalitydisorders13.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/personalitydisorders14.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/narcissismglance.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq1.html

Other Personality Disorders

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faqpd.html

Pathological Narcissism diagnosed with Other Mental Health Disorders

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq82.html

NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) and AsPD (Antisocial
Personality Disorder, Psychopathy, or Sociopathy)

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/personalitydisorders16.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/personalitydisorders15.html